Norm Macdonald on Identity Politics and God
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Identity politics are bullshit. Get a life progressives.
Norman Gene "Norm" Macdonald is a Canadian stand-up comedian, writer, producer and actor. He is best known for his five seasons as a cast member on Saturday Night Live, which included anchoring Weekend Update for three years. Early in his career, he wrote for the sitcom Roseanne and made appearances on shows including The Drew Carey Show and NewsRadio. He starred in The Norm Show from 1999 to 2001. Comedy Central named him #83 on the five-part miniseries 100 Greatest Stand-ups of All Time. He is noted as a favorite talk show guest of David Letterman, Howard Stern, Dennis Miller, and Conan O'Brien. His brother is Canadian journalist Neil Macdonald, of CBC News.[3][4]
Macdonald was born in Quebec City, Quebec, Canada,[2] and raised in Ottawa, Ontario.[citation needed] Macdonald has a brother, Neil Macdonald, who is a journalist with the CBC.[4]
Career[edit]
Macdonald's first performances in comedy were at stand-up at clubs in Ottawa. He appeared at the 1987 Just For Laughs Comedy Festival in Montreal.[5]
Saturday Night Live[edit]
Macdonald joined the cast of NBC's Saturday Night Live (SNL) television program in 1993, where he performed impressions of Larry King, Burt Reynolds, David Letterman, Charles Kuralt and Bob Dole, among others. Following Kevin Nealon's departure from SNL, Macdonald anchored the segment Weekend Update. Chevy Chase, the first anchor of Weekend Update, has quipped that Macdonald was the "best Weekend Update anchor since - well - Chevy Chase".[6] Current Update anchor and head writer Colin Jost named Macdonald as a primary influence on Jost's own work behind the "Update" desk, explaining that Macdonald's tone was one that Jost grew up with in high school.[7]
Macdonald's version of Weekend Update often included repeated references to prison rape, crack whores and the Germans' love of Baywatch star David Hasselhoff. Macdonald would occasionally deliver a piece of news, then take out his personal compact tape recorder and leave a "note to self" relevant to what he just discussed. He commonly used Frank Stallone as a non sequitur punchline. Macdonald repeatedly ridiculed public figures such as Marion Barry, Michael Jackson and O. J. Simpson. Throughout Simpson's trial for murder, Macdonald constantly pilloried the former football star, often heavily implying Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his wife Nicole and her friend Ronald Goldman. In the broadcast following Simpson's acquittal, Macdonald opened Weekend Update by saying: "Well, it is finally official: murder is legal in the state of California."
During the February 24, 1996, episode, Macdonald made a controversial joke about the sentencing of John Lotter, one of the two men who committed the notorious murder of Brandon Teena: "In Falls City, Nebraska, John Lotter has been sentenced to death for attempting to kill three people in what prosecutors called a plot to silence a cross-dressing female who had accused him of rape. Now this might strike some viewers as harsh, but I believe everyone involved in this story deserved to die."[8][9]
After the announcement that Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley planned to divorce, Macdonald joked about their irreconcilable differences on Weekend Update: "She's more of a stay-at-home type, and he's more of a homosexual pedophile." He followed this up a few episodes later with a report about the singer's collapse and hospitalization. Referring to a report of how Jackson had decorated his hospital room with giant photographs of Shirley Temple, Macdonald remarked that viewers should not get the wrong idea, adding, "Michael Jackson is a homosexual pedophile." The joke elicited audible gasps from some audience members. He responded to this by saying, "What? He is a homosexual pedophile."[10]
Another uncomfortable moment occurred during the April 12, 1997, show (host Rob Lowe, musical guest The Spice Girls), wherein, during a Weekend Update story about Tabitha Soren, he accidentally coughed in the middle of a sentence and, live on the air, muttered, "What the fuck was that?" The audience applauded, and Macdonald laughed the error away (saying at one point "My fare
This Stephen hawking seems like a real jerk!
What kind of nonsense is he hawkin'?
Do you really believe that it's hawkin talkin (😂) or is it preprogrammed when he talks? He was sitting completely still and drewling ALWAYS! My belief is that he's "caretakers" stood for the "talking". He'll get get questions, they answered for him. I also believe that he KNEW there is a God, but he couldn't say anything, because he was 100% paralyzed. Poor POOR tool of a man, may he's soul rest in peace 😔😌🙏🏻
@@Scarcrow84 why do you need Stephen Hawking to believe there is a God? You are even making up stuff
@@Supreme_Lobster None of what you just said made any sense. How did you come to the conclusion that I need Stephen Hawkins too tell me there's a God or not? 🤔 I know there's a God. All I said Is that I don't belive he's the one doing the talking. You know that it is an agenda too remove God from the puplic right? And what exactly am I making up?
"Hawkins"......bitch. (j/k)
I'm proud to be a fan of Norm Macdonald.
+anony mous I saw what you did there, and it made me proud of you.
i couldnt find thumbs up
Jessica.............me too!
I'm proud to like this comment
Jessica Zane me too
I’m very happy for this interview. Norm’s intuition is part of what made him special.
I would give anything to have a long conversation with Norm
SEFED JONES yeah but you never will. Keep dreaming and watch more CZcams.
It will cost you a lung,.....for Norm
@@tomsenick2033 a man can hope
But instead you get to have a long conversation with...
You guess it,
Frank Stallone
@@Optics21 love you bro
Norm is a very private person in terms of his beliefs and TRUE opinions.
Which is a shame considering how unbelievably intelligent he is.
He's a comedian and a good one a lot of people could be alienated if you joke about their beliefs.
koray kirik
What do you expect? Very intelligent people are usually quick to learn that they shouldn’t spill their guts excessively. Put them in the world of showbiz, and this effect amplifies 10-fold.
Well when they asked Chris Langan how to fix the world's problems he pointed to eugenics. So maybe it's for the best.
You were partly right...
You were half right
Norm has a lot of balls for stepping out with his belief's like this. Bravo Norm.
rubbersole79 I bet you're proud to be a "Christian"
Mitchell Brown I sure am.
squ34ky2 talking about it in the media does take balls. There’s a generation of people that grew up in a culture that says religion is nonsense and they are extremely vocal about it if you come out as religious. Also he’s sharing his interpretation of things, not just parroting ideas he’s heard.
Nobodies going to hurt him.
"Because we oppress people, we further oppress them by forcing them to identify themselves ... what I consider less than human. " That's pretty profound.
In the first MINUTE, I'm finally hearing someone else speak the realization that hit me some years ago. I'm so proud to know others are resisting the oppressive, divisive labels that plague us.
"When you label me, you negate me." - Søren Kierkegaard
@@nomad639 Acting with and for God cannot be regrettable
@@nomad639 Say that you have to pick between seeing a friend you haven't met in a long while, or seeing your family you haven't seen in a long while.
In both scenarios you might think "Shit, I should've seen my whatever instead". So there is a positive outcome in either decisions but you might still regret picking one over the other.
And then there are some decisions which practically aren't decisions, the holocaust and apartheid for example. Any reasonable human being wouldn't consider starting up apartheid or the holocaust and so you wouldn't make a decision like "Should I harass african americans or not?"
@@scottcampbell1635 Yet God has also led to several people hating non-white people, HBTQ people, women, muslims, jews and pagans. It's messed up to hold that belief that any decision made with or for God is correct.
@@nomad639 That's my interpretation. I haven't studied philosophy.
@@nomad639 Nice, thanks. Hope you're doing well in these times.
This interviewer sounds like he has a God sized hole in his heart.
No the interviewer was very understanding and made good points that Norm found insightful
I'm proud of my green shirt. 😢
To hell with your green shirt.
My green shirt is my favorite shirt
me too eh
I have a dream...that one day, our robotic badger companions...will be judged not by the colour of their t-shirt...but by the contents of their bellybutton...
My green shirt is still in the closet...
I am glad he is strong enough to voice how he feels. Bless you Norm. Big fan.
Yeah it's cool to voice that.
Norm is one of the most cerebral, grounded, self deprecating....excessively modest & comical genius of our time
I'm proud of my lungs.... they are amazing. #LungPride.
Realizing that must be like a breath of fresh air!
#breathparade
Obviously you need to be educated on offensive and discriminating language. Your comment oppresses those with lung disabilities and lung-divergent peoples, and upholds the system that has been created by and for lung-typical people. As a member of the lung-typical class, I am deeply sorry to any people of divergent lungs who have been hurt by this disgusting comment, and to you XtremeZone, I sincerely hope you find help and seek betterment for your misguided and wounding ways.
@@80mbeats #BlackLungsMatter
I'm proud of not owning a dog house
that one is really good. Not owning a dog house pride.
Logical! 👍
You sound like a real jerk!
Wow. An honest person expressing an honest opinion to the world without regard for political correctness. I don't understand the negative comments here directed at Norm. Must a plot by the organized "Lung Pride": movement.
It's just, people today are tribal and hate free thought. That are too busy following the collective to have their own ideas...even if it's wrong.
Just so you know, being honest isn't the same as knowing the truth or being intelligent. He makes some good points but for the wrong reasons, imo.
As Pooped By Anakin Skywalker you can't find the irony in believing in religion while being commended for free thought
@@cargueone1971 collective???
That sounds like some commie gobbledygook to me.
@@dewaynethomas3122 who is believing in religion? Having free thought might lead you to the notion that there is a God. That doesn't mean you believe in "religion." Jesus of Nazareth obviously believed but went against the religious.
"I like how stupid people talk down to smart people with useless parroted knowledge."
joe momma I like ( and Unfortunately have witnessed in numbers Way to big ) your comment Joe M., but , if you don’t mind, I’d
Like to just Narrow Down your Shared point.
“ I have always become Really Insulted to MY Learned, Years In achieving, Education and Intelligence , When
Those; Uneducated, Unread, Unknowable, or Dedicated In Years! Attempt, while Grandstanding based on, their “ Name “ ?,
Monetary Wealth, Political or Social Circle, Not Only PRESENT THEIR Verdict as the Only Truth- but also Vehemently Attack Those
With OTHER Views.”
But in these conceited views these “ Enlightened “ Few hold they forget, “ Saying , SCREAMING so, Destroying So - doesn’t
Give THEIR View any more Credence than say,”. A Dog barking that it is a Cat, a Hollywood Oscar suddenly Excelling In WORLD Economics,
A 19 yrs old, ( their parents probably IN the 1%er Club!) dressed in All Black Clothing gaining YEARS of Experience and Education In
Social and Class Development!!! Or, a person from the farm-belt Arkansas thinking they can, By MAJIC And MONEY, be the
VERY Next New York Senator!
Rosebud......Rosebud.....
God Bless.
This is the epitome of atheists always trying to disprove their Man-on-a-cloud theory.
"NO LET ME TALK DOWN TO YOU FOR MY BELIEF I KEEP TRYING TO DISPROVE BUT CLING TO"
Ironic, I know.
Joe Momma??? ..The DJ from Philly??
Anyway Cheers man.. it's Sad that 97% of People Score within a normal IQ score and Yet Have the loudest voice, Meanwhile the Top 3% are, For the Most part over looked or Unappreciated at the Very Least,...The power in Numbers...😩
Norm is probably my favorite comedian ever. He just does his own thing. Its really cool hearing him make well-thought-out arguments.
RIP Norm your comedy and insight will be dearly missed. And put in a good word for us down here.
😂😢🥴🤔🤣🤣🤣👏🏻❤️🇨🇦RIP You OLD Lump of Coal”🙏🤣❤️🇨🇦
A real stream of consciousness...or maybe it was just conversation?
Norm is my hero. Smart as a whip, in no way shape or form an arrogant know it all.
Humble and happy to be here.
Thanks Norm
I love how he’s so honest about his thinking. Regardless of what I agree with or find absurd it’s refreshing to hear a famous person be honest with their ideas.
We're so blessed that he left us all this material.
God Bless Norm Macdonald.
It's probably a healthy thing that Norm is a comedian, to keep him from being too serious all the time and going to some dark places
"I'm proud to have lungs." Genius.
I’m proud to be a land dwelling mammal and not some oppressed water amphibian.
Its a rehashed Carlin bit. Carlin said " Its genetic, you wouldn't say you were proud to be 5'10", you wouldn't say you were proud to have a predisposition to colon cancer". It is genious but he didn't think of it
@@Jasonmanmosa And I'm sure many talked about it before GC. Originality doesn't entail producing something from scratch, but rather adding your own take to what's already out there. And NMD's take is funny IMO. So is GC's.
how is that genius?
Wow!! I have a totally newfound respect for Norm!! Wow!!
Totally different side of him I never knew.
I think this is a rare glimpse into the serious version of him. He's one of the very few comedians that can shed themselves of the "funny" and come across as intelligent and thoughtful rather than pretentious and condescending (I'm thinking of Ricky Gervais, Louis CK to a certain extent too)
@@xxczerxx This comes across as uninformed wilful ignorance tbh
@@pietzsche What do you mean? From Norm or myself?
@@xxczerxx From Norm
What, that he's really dumb and doesn't even understand what "science" means and how conclusions are come to? He certainly doesn't know what atheists even think. They NEVER say that God doesn't exist, only that there is no real "evidence" of a God. The burden of proof would not be on the Atheist to "Prove" anything. To say that there is no purpose without a "god" shows how dumb he is.
I love Norm, but I did not follow most of his thought process or logic. Glad he is thinking on his own though and defending his beliefs! They are not the same as mine, but this guy is funny as can be and I respect every man's right to have his own opinion and defend it.
I think the problem is he made two mistakes here. One is conflating hypothesis with theory, though his general point is valid when he does so, the other is in assuming that just because we can't clearly detect any evidence that animals can freely decide a self purpose, that humans must not be able to either.
I think the overarching point he is making through all of this is the hubris people have to think they know everything when in reality they don't really know anything. No matter how deep into science you go you will always hit a point where there are no answers. I think people end up using science to bolster their own smugness instead of actually trying to learn anything. I think norm sees this in comedy a lot, for example when he called out that anti christian comic for not knowing what he was talking about.
Kevin B you need God for logic
I think the comments are being heavily moderated / cherry picked as I cannot believe there aren’t more people calling Norm out about some of his statements. People aren’t proud to be gay or black for no reason, they’re proud because for a lot of people they’ve been made to feel persecuted and ashamed of their ethnicity or sexuality, so to be ‘proud’ is just a way of saying that they’re not ashamed. Duh.
@@RobLate I think he makes it clear that he knows that's the original intent of people claiming to be proud. He says that we've forced people into that because we've shamed them for so long. However, his point is that it's sad how that pride, or a healthy un-shame, becomes people's entire identity to an extent. I personally know many for whom that is true, they spend all their time talking about that small piece of their identity and defending it and trying convincing others to do believe the same. Further more he says they criticize Christians for how concerned they are with that part of their Identity, when actually, to Norm, and I agree, the issues of God in our out of our lives is much more significant
The interviewer right here is letting Norm go where he wants to go and the interviewer is asking the right questions to explore norms believes
I've always enjoyed Norm because his input is that of a comedian and he has always stood true to creating humor/ making light of situation. In that sense there are no expectations on him to be certain and infallible. With so much political tension occurring I feel his approach, while not likely to make headlines, is much more welcoming for others to think for themselves rather than choose a defined "side". All hail the TRUE COLONEL.
I love Norm, I don't agree with him on everything, but that's OK, and I still love the funny old bastard.
The most tame comment here lol. Idk why people get offended when someone's beliefs are different from theirs.
+drServitis all of them!!!
want a cookie?
drServitis you're just jealous because we got bigger faster stronger and more abundant moose
I agree with you, let's all jus get along and just respect eachother please.
If you listen to this comprehensively you'll find that Norm is a very intelligent man.
Just those first 4 min man omg
Where can I find more serious talk Norm?
Yeah, as much as I find him funny as hell, it's interesting to see him being serious.
the whole episode is quite serious and very insightful, it's called "What's so funny?"
@@billyparham630 I appreciate it
He got pretty philosophical on the nerdist with chris hardwicke if you can find that old episode
"We recognize how stupid it sounds when someone says they're proud of being white, but when someone says they're proud of being black...." Completely agree.
Never thought about it in a realistic way like that.
Not to make assumptions about you but a lot of people who make those sort of points actually are proud to be white
@@farzanamughal5933 lmao, now your the racist for thinking like that 🤣
@@farzanamughal5933 I don't identify with my race and I resent people who try to tell me I should.
@@marioplaz Yeah i basically agree that a more colourblind society would be better. It is wrong to think that responding to "white power" with "black power" and vice versa will solve racism
Pride goethe before a fall. He nailed it when he said how we limit ourselves when we are proud of something that was done by mistake. We had no control over the color of our skin or the country we were born in PERIOD! We are just humans having a physical experience so stop allowing the system to separate us from one another.
A good scientist is someone who always wants someone to prove them wrong...
18 people (to date) are wrong.
Omg, finally someone said what I have been thinking all these years. People should not be proud of what they were born into, but instead be proud of what they achieved. We can be grateful of what we were born into, not proud.
George Carlin said the same thing.
Gotta love all the people in the comment section getting so uncomfortable because of a simple conversation with a philosophical individual.
If by philosophical you mean delusional then yes.
philosophical norm, lol even hed laugh at that
I like him, andenjoy his comedy.But I would call him idiotsmart. One time he says the dumbest shit mostly due to lack of info. Then he has this piercing insight. What a funky combination. Loved him dissing Hawking LOL.
"a simple conversation" You got that right.
Great discussion. I love Norm more and more.
I love that norm is so unorthodox but yet so funny. He has a child like quality that is so refreshing
From the mouths of babes... I've always known there was a lot more to him than his jokes.
"You may as well be proud to have lungs." There it is.
Great interview. I love Norm and I'm not deeply closeted about it.
Two issues he points out with mainstream pop science that I can appreciate.
1. "It's very interesting that they choose the God that they decide doesn't exist. Which really means they are choosing the God they think exists." Referring to Atheists mentioning Christianity. I wanted to reject that at first but SOCIALLY speaking, that's kinda true. They single out Christianity as their biggest opponent. Personally, I don't think they are doing it because they are subconsciously choosing the God that DOES exist necessarily, though in some cases that may be true. I think it is because that is the popular religion with the most influence in the lives of scientists and they develop a hatred towards it due to memorable conversations with the commonly uneducated Christian that misrepresents Christianity. Either way, it's a fair observation.
2. "I don't know if they are open to new evidence when I hear Steven Hawking say there is no God." "That doesn't sound like a scientist to me." I completely agree with that. As a scientist, that would be a very biased statement to make, and unscientific. It's still a coin toss. We don't know. But if you want to advertise your bias...
I can appreciate this too.
"There is no purpose without God."
I believe that to be true. We can create our own social purpose and do good things, but ultimately, if there is no God, I don't see how humanity has purpose. What's the point? I think that is a simple motivator for people to choose to believe in God. It gives life more meaning and holds us accountable for our actions.
But what do I know...
"We're all fucking idiots."
:D
IF you disagree with me, I still LOVE and RESPECT YOU.
Cheers,
Adam
Adam Spade Yh I do agree, nothing annoys me more when Christianity is misrepresented
" if there is no God, I don't see how humanity has purpose. What's the point?" - well wouldn't it be more strictly and noticeably more pointless if there were only barren rocks, gas, and vacuum, if there was noone to experience anything?
Also if everything important has a purpose, what's the purpose of God?
@@ethancoffey3491 I don't believe in Christianity because I don't believe in eternal screaming torture in Hellfire. (And that's not a misrepresentation, Jesus said so himself, an so did every preacher ever.)
@Adam Spade nope.
thanks for sharing
Norm,one of the greatest and genuine human beings. Need much more Norm.
"What has been hidden from the wise and the prudent has been revealed to the babe and the suckling". . . and Norm.
People are acting like Norm pissed into their cereal. He explicitly stated that he's open to God being proven one way or the other. He hardly took a stance here. He has his beliefs, but is okay with them potentially being broken apart. That's hardly a bad thing.
Riley Palmer
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God can't be disproven, that's the problem. He's hiding behind this idea that he's open-minded about science proving him wrong, when in reality he should know science can never disprove God, just like it can't disprove the existence of any other made-up thing. In that sense, his open-mindedness is shallow and just for show and will never actually be challenged. Science has arguably already done all it can to prove that a God wasn't necessary in the creation of the universe, the sun, earth, life on earth, etc., so anyone who can still convince themselves that God had some part in it are likely never going to change their minds (or at least not because science suddenly convinced them).
+Matt K I never claimed science knows everything. My point was that Norm is hiding behind this false layer of open-mindedness by shifting the burden of proof to science, instead of just stating without caveats that he believes in God (which I have no problem with).
+stormie You don't own science. If he thinks that science should prove God exist, then that's his right.
+wufongtan wufong No one said it wasn't his right to think whatever he wants. That doesn't put his thoughts above discussion or even reproach.
That's George Carlin's influence on Norm peaking out from within.
I can't find the full interview. What podcast was this on?
it's called "What's so funny?", probably the most insightful Norm podcast out there
@@billyparham630 Thanks man!
I would love to join the pride parade with a t-shirt saying "I'm proud to have lungs"
fittutube make sure to design your own flag and organize a march too lol
I feel so bad for people who think he's not intelligent.
+Mike Miller
It shows the degraded, socially engineered education system. People's understanding of being and truth are a zombie rehash of the Age of Enlightenment at best. A lot of commenters here could learn a lot from the philosophy, (or call it anti-philosophy) videos on this channel of mine.
+Mike Miller Agreed.
+Ben Wood Nah, he makes good points here. He acknowledges how oppression shapes how the oppressed identify themselves really articulately imo.
+ProletarianTakeover Yeah that part was good, but when he comes to the religion and science stuff he sounds pretty uneducated...
+Jacob Doucet Exactly. He has too much faith in Sky Daddy and not nearly enough in science and probability.
Smart guy. I would love to have him as a friend. One of the best dudes, period.
expressing his soul and searching for truth
1:48 that was unintentionally hilarious and priceless
sorry Norm... science CAN'T explain anything near a god.
“My race is human.
My country is the world.
My religion is love.” - Thomas Paine.
“The man who loves all countries as much as his own is akin to the man who loves all women as much as his wife.”
- I forget, but someone way smarter than both of us.
Sounds like a load of globalist horseshit to me
So you’re a globalist utopian that does exactly what the people in power want you to? Not all of Americans founders are good. Actually most aren’t great. Get past liberalism if you want things to improve.
I appreciated his thoughts on God. He would speak about his faith in a very open and honest way, even revealing his uncertainty about it which makes him more human than most Christians as far as I'm concerned.
You just have no choice but to love Norm. I’m a catholic, and my grandparents were the perfect Catholics there whole life! Most loyal! Im the only choke out 4 who has no family, not married 34 yrs old. I was always the black sheep of my family. Ive always had a personal battle with God. I’ve always listened to atheists with an open mind and they have good points. You can’t judge them, that’s just not the faith. But I’ve almost never in my life encountered a Christian/catholic force there beliefs upon an atheist in my 34 years of life. But whatever m, I just want to say the beauty of being alive is the unknown. Really try to wrap your head around where we are in the universe! Hell on this planet! Some will never leave the state they were born in, so many questions in answered! Just keep an open mind and leave the feelings out and listen! Learn from one another. I find it very intriguing when an nice calm atheist displays facts. I want to learn, I want to listen to others opinions. Let’s just be nice to one another and debate in a calm fashion, no one can disagree with that
"...you just have certain moments in your life where you come to for a second with some lucidity..."
15:50 Lol!! So true...
Norm has me thinking about things instead of laughing. I like this.
Norm really resonates with me not only because he questions everything regardless of ideology, but he does so without getting angry or bitter.
Good interviewer: "Did you read the entire quote or did you just read it on Facebook?"
Lester Arbusto rule #1: never question norm
@8:30 in all fairness Norm you didn't hear him say it , you heard a computer voice . And theory says it could have been hacked :O)
He Norms my heart
Norm was incredibly intelligent and hilarious!! I can’t help but wonder, as I listen to this recording, if he knew he was terminally ill at this time. This sounds like stuff you would think about if you thought you were dying.
Respect level plus 10 following this amazing talk I have never heard before. Amazing.
our Mark Twain.
Is the interviewer Mark Ruffalo? Sounds just like him
It feels odd that the guy behind one of my guilty pleasure movies is also so articulate in defending things that are spiritually and deeply paramount to me. Dirty Work, and true insights on the relationship between Creator and created that is available to us all, one guy. What a time to be alive. It's an interesting and horrifying time. Lol
Norm had such a beautiful smile
There couldn't possibly be anything less important than God. When someone says they're proud to be gay, it's in response to people telling them they should be ashamed to be gay, they're saying they are gay and they are proud, that being gay doesn't get in the way.
+LukeOfTroy Make that a Santa and I'll agree
Anni Jasmin
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+LukeOfTroy Nah, I agree with Norm. I never thought about it like that, but why be proud of something that you're born with? You didn't have to do anything, it's not like you have a say in the matter. Just be yourself.
+LukeOfTroy P.S. Make it a Santa
dethkon
I think they mess up the wording a little bit. The idea is that they are both gay and proud, not that being gay causes pride. I think there is also some pride to be had in participating in the social/political evolution of a culture. But being both proud and gay women and men have done a lot that is worth being proud of in the name of gay rights and gay acceptance, I don't think there's any problem with being proud of being a part of that legacy. I'm pretty sure though that if you pressed most gay people, they wouldn't say that being born gay was an accomplishment, that's just not what the phrase is intended to mean.
Cigarettes don't cause cancer?...Cmon Norm...
Cigarettes cause heart failure also. The single worst behaviour relative to heart disease is smoking. Surprisingly the second is lack of exercise. Most people would probably say weight or diet.
There are different degrees of susceptibility to cancer, and it is also a numbers game whereby the cell mutations may or not get triggered just as there is always that one guy who doesn't take a bullet in the middle of a battle.
In science you have a theory, you do investigations that prove or disproved that theory. Sometimes the result is so overwhelming it is regarded as settled, over time. Other times there may be refinements of complete revisions as something is better understood. Scientific results are not always correct, but at there best at least the method is followed to the end result.
He's not saying cigarettes don't cause cancer. The fact is there is evidence on both sides of the debate. It just so happens that there is much more evidence that shows cigarettes cause cancer, but the science isn't conclusive enough either way. I've heard there is actually more evidence supporting global warming theories than there is linking cancer to cigarettes. I think he brings it up to support his religion arguments
The problem is that it does not support his religious arguments, there is no evidence that there is a god and his continued assertions that every person who ever lived has had an intuition that god exists and atheist are just pretending that they do not believe in god is just nonsense.
yep , couldn't have said it better myself . My grandmother smoked two packs a day since the great depression , and finally died of natural causes in her early 90's . I had a great Aunt on the other side of my family , she was a non-smoker and died of lung cancer . I think we can all agree that smoking is probably not good for you , but there is no proof that it directly causes cancer.
***** Have you ever looked at the warning labels they are required (based on extensive studies) to print on a pack of cigs ? It says "MAY cause cancer" NOT "WILL cause cancer" . Just like spending too much time in the sun may cause skin cancer , but there is no proof that it actually will cause cancer . That is all people are pointing out here .
Using scientific method to find god is like tearing out strings and ripping open a violin trying to find music
🤯 very profound.
E M thanks u...
Ya dirty dog.
These type of conversations,are why we have free speech,why it so important dont matter tour skin color where you are from,but it does matter about how you view the world.
That's the most absurd and counterintuitive thing I've ever read on the internet
The scientific method always meant to operate within the narrow parameters of what we know, which is far less that what we don't know. Unfortunately some trespass those boundaries to make a leap of unfaith.
IN 2024, Norm Macdonald is the only man i can stand to listen to. That damn tragedy...
The intuition behind god isn't the god itself but the things we can't explain, and god (or a higher force) is a simple cure for frustration.
A sense of purpose isn't necesarily something we are born with.
You can't prove the non-existence of something.
It is ignorant to criticise the field you know very little of.
If you criticise someone or something, you should propose a better solution
And yeah, I agree with the pride thing
One time an Atheist and I discussed the idea of “purpose” and “function.” We agreed that all life, no matter what it was, serves in one degree or another a purpose or function. I defined it as purpose, he defined it as function. If all life serves in one degree or another a purpose or function, what gave it purpose or a function? Time, chance, and natural evolution? Or a creator: a being outside of the known material reality, time, and space? Every single tool that man creates has a purpose or function. It serves to build, preserve, create, define, and redefine reality according to the human’s imagination and idea of what he or she will bear. But the tool does not “appear” out of no where or come from nothing. It did not appear purely out of materiality, time, and space on its own. It could never, because it never was before it was. Someone had to think of it first, find a purpose/function for it, and create it. It was guided into existence. It came from a far more intelligent being that created and molded the tool for a special purpose and goal. If humanity has enough faith that we are not alone in the universe, because we look at the stars and galaxies far far away and realize we are a needle in a vast haystack in the known universe, what makes us believe that God is nothing more than a dream of our own mind’s creation? Are we so brilliant to deny “fairytales” of an all-powerful, intelligent being that is the ultimate creator of all life that we forgot we are here to prove the truth, not find alternative ways to prove a conclusion we already want? In other words, science has already reached a conclusion before even examining the evidence: there is no creator. Therefore, it finds every which way to prove that conclusion, to back that conclusion, and denies any type of notion that a creator exists. I’m not saying talking about religion as much as the idea of a creator. I just think science seems to try so hard to disprove a creator, and more try to prove a conclusion, that they often come across as bias, negative, and bitter in even the thought of a creator more so than a person who simply doesn’t care about if his beliefs could change based on the truth, like Norm. Everything in science should always be debated and challenged, and the conclusion that there is no creator should be as challenged as the idea that there is.
I don't agree that tools can't appear on their own. That we must create them. A rock or a stick found in the woods have been used by humans with a function and purpose for thousands of years. We did not create those tools. Yet they can still be given the title of a tool just like hammers and whatever. We found them and gave them meaning and purpose, in the same way that I believe that we give our own lives meaning and purpose. In a way we need a higher intelligence to give our lives purpose and that higher intelligence is ourselves. Our lives only has a meaning in our own heads.
@3gmatt1 For good there must be evil. What makes a good deal is that there was another option. If you are forced to do something, then it is just a deed. Its rather simple.
This is an aspect of Norm I never heard before. An unexpectedly deep man
Some wisdom words from a man contemplating death. Truly put some perspective into my life. RIP
that picture on the video is awesome where did you get it?
+contactkeithstack
Google image search earth space or something.
so is that supposed to be a photograph? because if it IS, that is the best argument against the whole space program, etc. being a hoax- it looks like an 'artists rendering' to me-
Ed White by picture I meant drawing or painting.
***** why do you say that?...please explain-
***** well then HOW did they cross the Van Allen Belt, idiot?.....explain THAT one for us all , IDIOT....you CANT because it is impossible- idiotic and baseless? i think NOT...
10:30 norm: "Science is a liar... sometimes"
A norm fan with a sunny reference. I like the cut of your jib 👍
@@lez259 admittedly, i am a fella with grit and gumption
@@santim270 well you sound like a half descent person to me👌
A Legend. I wish I had the time to ponder these things
Norm is another guy that I’d like to hug for an uncomfortably long amount of time.
Damn Norm. I didn't know what he was like til now.
I am proud to have ten fingers and ten toes!
Norm makes people uncomfortable. He always has and he's a master of his craft.
Love you Norm. Period!!!!! Plus some explanation points!!!
Norm is absolutely right. ALL OF CREATION shows you who the Creator is. The idea that this very sophisticated planet is the product of chance is moronic.
?! It is though. There is no question about out universe that is answered by "There is a god". Also, what makes this planet "sophisticated"?
@@stefanjoeres7149 It is a product of chance? Really? There is no possible way for you to know that. SCIENCE is certain knowledge, it isn't speculation, fantasy, make-believe or a hypothesis. A hypothesis is just an intelligent guess, it isn't science. Science is perfect. Science is fact. Science is truth. Science doesn't change. BAD guesses change, science is rock solid. WHAT YOU CALL SCIENCE is no science at all. Why in the world would you say with great confidence, "we are here by chance"? Who taught you to believe that? Think for yourself.
The most intelligent men in the world can't create a single blade of grass. GIVE THEM ALL the chemicals and all the lightning bolts and every tool known to man and they can't create a blade of grass. They can't make any life without life. LIFE BEGETS LIFE . Life cannot come into existence without life. That's science.
The earth is not a rock or a piece of a rock. It is a multilayered masterpiece with its own multilayered atmosphere. It is extremely sophisticated.
You're an old soul Norm...you got it.
norm's very right - easy to be proud of something you have no part in bc it requires no agency. like, being proud of your wife for accomplishing something instead of proud of being a huge part of her being able to accomplish that, proud of supporting her through it, etc.
I'm not necessarily on board with his arguments re science vs religion, but I'm so happy to hear a thoughtful discussion like this going on. They're listening to each other and considering each other's ideas. This used to be commonplace but it's almost completely gone now.
Carlin has a good bit on pride and religion
Norm Macdonald is a great man
The link to the original interview doesnt seem to work. Does anybody have another link or the name of the interview?
Where can I find the full podcast?
This guy keeps bringing up "the scientific community" as if facts come down to a vote.
The interviewer did very well and so did norm. Very pleasant and informing interview. I love Norm.
RIP Norm. I think our intuitions are correct too.
Norm is on the right track: you cannot use the natural to prove the supernatural.
I really hope Norm found true saving faith in Jesus Christ.
He's dead so the Jesus thing didn't save him very good bud.
@@riversidehermit his death doesn’t mean he wasn’t saved.
@@am7442 if I eat a sandwich, the sandwich is gone. If I put the sandwich in a bag afterwards, it's a bag of 💩
@@riversidehermit this life is temporary. The afterlife is eternal and you will live on physically for eternity in one of two places. Heaven and hell is real . You choose . God gives every human free will to accept him or not.
Norm's an intelligent guy and makes some decent, if unoriginal points, but he has some faulty premises that some of his arguments are based on:
Scientific "intuition" doesn't originate from nowhere or from outside our consciousness. It's based on observation and knowledge. The intuition comes from the fact that we reason both consciously and subconsciously and your mind can be working on problems without you being consciously aware. That's not metaphysical, it's complete natural.
Norm also believes that morality and proscriptions against murder are tied to the same external metaphysical source. Atheists don't feel they are linked to an external source of morality, they find it as a natural internal source connected to sociology and biology.
The reason why when atheists speak about religion they often refer to christianity is because Norm likely listens to North Americans and Europeans. America, Canada and much of Europe are largely christian countries. When you watch Indian atheists discussing it they refer to christianity, hinduism and fakir mysticism, all more popular in India. In the Levant they discuss christianity, islam, and judaism.
He completely misunderstands the scientific term "theory".
Scientists generally understand that they aren't true "atheists", they can really only be "agnostic" about any deity and must be open to evidence, but as science has never uncovered any evidence of a god, for all intents and purposes they are atheists.
He believes that a human "purpose" needs a deity; it doesn't. He also assumes that life has any purpose at all, outside of it's own continuation. We don't know of any.
Because humans are superior to non-sentient animals, doesn't make us divine. We are just the primary species on the planet. In the future that could change.
+vicdmise
Norm's job is to say funny things in funny ways, and he's good at that. He's not a scientist. He's not a philosopher. He doesn't know what he's talking about. He's being talked to because he's funny, not because he's a great thinker in a scientific context. There's also a good chance he's high.
EDIT:
"Scientists generally understand that they aren't true "atheists", they can really only be "agnostic" about any deity and must be open to evidence, but as science has never uncovered any evidence of a god, for all intents and purposes they are atheists."
No, they actually are atheists. Agnostic atheists. Atheist, meaning they don't believe in the existence of any god or gods. (Atheism does not require claiming that they don't exist, only not believing that they do.) And agnostic, assuming they admit that they don't actually know, or they believe that the true answer cannot be known.
What if your premise is faulty? We are afterall electric creatures; our brains are electric, and electrical currents permeate space... So it is possible that an electrical impulse could reach your brain from across the galaxy. It's possible, just sayin
Nothing about what you said is true. We are not electric creatures our brains are made of matter not "electricity" if electrical currents permeated space we would all be dead. Electrical impulses cannot reach us from other galaxy's because the electromagnetic force does not reach that distance only gravity is capable of reaching long distances. Everything you said was irrelevant and nonsensical. It was one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read and I am now dumber for having read it.
This interview is the mvp here. Way to steer into this convo instead of avoiding it.
What a great interview.