“I like orderly disorder very much. But this is not orderly nor properly disorderly. I find things like this unnecessary. We don’t need them. We should forego them because we need the resources for better things.” - if this isn’t the most German thing that’s ever been said, I don’t know what is.
Well: I’m not sure about the difference between “properly confused” and “not properly confused”. Are there stages of confusion? I’m at least mildly confused right now. - Should I feel disappointed for not being wholly confused? Or delighted about having still room to grow into for a full experience? Maybe one even needs a guide like him, to dive into the deeper nuances of confusion with a sharp mind and a finely tuned sensory apparatus. On the other hand: a sharp mind might be what is preventing me to feel “proper” confusion in the first place, and one needs to be somewhat inebriated to begin with? /s 😂
@@Stadtpark90You guys should look up "Hundertwasser". That guy build things being "properly confused". It's if the is still order on a makro level. Like f.e. creating a big picture of a human out of tiny pictures of his life.
@@Stadtpark90 i understood him like this: if design is "properly confused", then on the scale between order and disorder it always has to tend more towards disorder to be exciting and interesting. if it lies exactly in the middle of the two poles, it doesn't say anything.
Oh hells yeah - who would turn down the opportunity to hear legendary creative and artistic geniuses talk shit, list their grievances and spill tea about all their friends, colleagues, rivals and bitter enemies. It’s humanizing to see that that even legends are petty sometimes lol.
For what it's worth: He does not say "neither personally" in the video, it's only in the English subtitles. He says: "Neither as an architect, nor erm…" but doesn't finish the sentence.
Is the idea that the metal would be hot and brand one’s back, or that if one was shirtless one would get tan lines reflecting the edges, or something else?
@@drdca8263 tattoo is a type of decoration on surfaces that is painted on a surface to give a certain form or silhouette (example a design on a pool floor); and he means that you won't need to paint anything on the walls because the shadow of that chair will cast a sort of tattoo in summer when the sun is strong
@@infernaldisdain8051 yes, Revelations 3:16 (I looked up the specific verse; had forgotten it was from Revelations. I am now wondering if I have misinterpreted this verse. Idk.)
I want this German man in my head. “No, this memory is confusing. It’s too uncomfortable to keep around. And these defense mechanisms have materials that could be put to better use. That personality trait has a story, I’m sure, just not a story that interests me.”
He's 100% right. People always excuse shit art with "it's not hurting anyone", but it *is* - there's only so much space in museums, so many grants and commissions... By existing (and being lauded by idiots) they take resources that could go to something good.
I have one of his Braun Automatic Coffee Makers from the 80’s…Still makes a perfect pot of coffee. Still as pretty today as it was when it was produced (a deep, regal green color)…He nailed all the details just right--from the warm glow of the clock light to the sound of alarm when it is finished brewing. Genius, like great design, is timeless!
You'll get 18 months on a modern Philips machine before requiring deep disassembly which isn't in the manual. Depending on use. Family members are strange. They say they aren't interested in getting one, so you buy it for yourself to get a consistent cup, and immediately the family does a 180 and runs the machine ragged with 12 cups a day.
I often ask people if they were in their last days, and they were granted the wish of having one person over for dinner-“Who would you choose?” Snowden is up there, but Dieter tops my list.
I was expecting this to be a nonstop negativity parade, but that was actually super wholesome! He gives respect to all the designs--the fact he had to be asked to talk about stuff he disliked and only pointed at like three things shows how passionate he is about design
life needs positive and negative things. Only if we let ourself do bad designes, we will be able to understand what good design means. And even bad things need to be used to find out all the bad details.
I do like his stance. From what I get, he simply insists that design should bring some sort of value to the designed item. It might very well be experimental, just to try out new materials or techniques, but it should yield something useful or at least some knowledge about what works and what doesn't. Simply slapping together random items "just because you can" is a waste of resources and is what furthers the public's understanding that "design" just means "expensive".
I agree, design is not a pure art. Design is about making a practical things work more effectively, efficiently, and pleasing on the eye. If the thing didn't have any practical use, I think it's not a design at all.
This is funny as hell!😂. When I was a student in college, our idols were Phillip Stark, Karim Rashid, and Marc Newson. As a mature professional designer, I can’t help but see those guys as toy designers for adults. Very few of their products have a practical use.
i have no clue who this man is but i have decided it is now my mission to match his level of tact and humor wherever possible e: i am now aware of who this man is and i like him more
Ooh, get a walking cane so you can point at things with it! Then plop it back down, resting both hands on the handle, concernedly looking at whatever you pointed to, as you make your scathing remark.
@@j.w.1079did you just imply Dieter Rams highest achievement is to inspire a copycat at apple? you see, that is apple zealotry at its best. and applefags wonder how lots of people abhor that wretched -religion- company.
I effing love this clip and watch it every few weeks - I especially love the title!!! 😂😂😂 It's so adorable seeing this legendary designer literally point at those creations with his walking stick and rip them and their Creators apart! 😂😂😂
I was thinking the same. And it's mostly because he designed extraordinary beautiful objects that proved time and time again to be as utilitarian as possible.
If Dieter Rams was interviewing for a design job today, the feedback would look something like: Very combative and dismissive of ideas. Did not collaborate well with the interviewers. Said "Experiments are good but this is useless" which is a red flag for our team. We ended the interview when one idea during the brianstorm session was described as "Unnecessary. We don't need it". Do not hire.
@markjharvey: I disagree. Rams is talking in German while being interviewed. He is being asked about his opinion and is not at all combative with his answers. You have to consider the context of this interview. Job interviews in Germany and in German are substantially different from the setting in the USA. He is criticizing the creations and not the creators. And he is mentioning that this is his opinion. So the whole talk is conceived in German not as rude or disrespectful. Even his statement about Frank Gehry is not very aggressive for a German context. This is German culture. Suger-coating or watering down your opinion on the other hand would be perceived as dishonest and disrespectful. This is German culture - btw in the Netherlands is the same. In a Job interview in Germany Dieter Rams answers would be fine.
"we should forego them because we need the resources for better things" now that's something I wholly agree with, people don't realise our resources are valuable and they shouldn't be wasted on crap we don't need.
you do realize that's not how resouces can be utilizied in real life right ? To have a authority to guide your resouce allocation is both unrealistic and narrow-minded (who the heck are you to decide what to and what not to?) That bookshelf design is not useful as a furniture but it's beautiful and is almost the on par to a recreation of some video game scenes, it's art instead of certain self esteemed utilitarian designs that get outdated faster than blitzkrieg
@@yamao4938If by "real life" you mean a materialist/capitalist/consumerist society, then you're right. Using "resources" wisely is not narrow-minded, it's being responsible. That goes for art too. There's enough post-post-(post?-)modernist crap as it is. IMO, of course.
@@yamao4938 buncha loaded buzzwords & ungrounded ideas about consumerism. ultimately people will do what they want w resources but having principles to check wanton expenditure of the *finite* materials necessary for production is not authoritarian, & neither is applying those principles to critique. certain concepts can (& arguably should) stay on the drawing board, or in the 3D modelling program, or as a downscale model at most. argument to the contrary is possible, but remains holistically unconvincing when viewed thru a materialist lens. we don't live in a computer game w infinite spawn glitching quite yet. we gotta share; naturally, then, people will think "i could have used that better," & that's altogether very normal.
You would say that people who wasted resources and were unsuccessful in their time like many artists but then are recognized centuries later. To say stuff can't seem worth it in thr future is presumptuous
He might seem a tad abrasive in this, but his design philosophy is so intensely warm and humanistic. He's totally right about unnecessary consumerist waste and impracticality, but he also acknowledges there's importance in those experiments 😤😤👌👌
(Not exactly verbatim) "Even in things I don't like, there's still a story, like why was it made that way? "Wow I loved that! He is so clearheaded. You can really tell he looks at objects, beyond what they are, and looks into how we can interact with them
Art is one thing. Design is another. Experimenting with design and selling it for a ludicrous price, calling it "art", when it (in no way) advances the function of the design - THAT is what Dieter was saying he didn't like. And I wholly agree with.
There is no such thing as a clear boundary between art and design. We are already at a point where big companies no longer only design products, but experiences. I agree with the ridiculousness of art prices though, but that's usually not the fault of the artists.
@@kidcoma1340I'm nitpicking but I would say that, though there is lots of overlap between art and design, the distinction is function. A picture on the wall is art because it serves no other function. A beautiful coffee machine is design because it is artful and functional. A sculpture of a beautiful coffee machine is art because it is not functional.
"Art Is Art and Everything Else Is Everything Else" (Ad Reinhardt) In my design studies I was told that design has a mediating role between art and industry. Dieter Rams emphasises this service. The objects he designs (household appliances, hi-fi, furniture, etc.) are characterised by high added value (ease of use, long-term benefits, etc.). But Not everyone likes the tidiness of a monastery cell. Armchairs and chairs can have sculptural qualities and still be comfortable (Harry Bertoia, Charles + Ray Eamse, Arne Jacobsen etc.). A lamp can bring a smile to my face and still function without any problems (Parentesi, Snoopy by Achille Castiglioni). And a coat rack can add aesthetic value to my relative disorganisation (Cactus by Guido Drocco and Franco Mello). In other words: I love the grey value as articulated in the "as well as". Purism may be good in the kitchen (e.g. with carapaccio and wine).
@@willyog okay, so what about a coffee machine that is made of compressed coffee powder and in order to make coffee you have to break away bits and pieces of it, breaking it in the process? "Art" isn't limited to things that are beautiful, it means moving or thought provoking. Art can use any medium it finds useful, be it film, photography - or design. Only because you draw a rigid line between design and art, doesn't mean the artist needs to. Which probably lead to the comical situation of Dieter Rams not being able to understand why anyone would design such a "weird" object.
No idea why this came into my suggestions, but I’m glad it did. Never really thought too much about furniture, but it is at the interface between art and engineering; it is embedded in our forms of life, from high culture to the quotidian, and touches questions of ethics, economics, ecology. There are many such things I do not think too much about, but I am glad there are thoughtful people who take such things seriously, otherwise our architecture and interiors would either be cold, lifeless utilitarianism, or tasteless kitch, pretentious absurdity, and gaudy status signifiers. Too often it is all these things, but I only notice when it has all gone horribly wrong.
You don’t need to need a walking stick to use one, I think? It might be a little odd, but I think(?) most people would accept “because I think walking sticks are cool” as a reason for someone carrying one around.
Wish this could be longer... this is one of the most interesting videos I have seen in a while. Is there another video of things he likes? That would be interesting too.
2:08 When I first watched this video I thought this chair was just another experiment, but then I spotted this exact design at a train station. I regret that I didn't try sitting on it
2:07 This chair design was chosen for a a train station in Katowice (Poland). I believe it being homeless-unfriendly might have been the major consideration.
‘Frank Gehry is not a friend of mine, neither personally nor as an architect’ - Dieter Rams ‘You are not my mate, and you are not my fellow DJ’ Kevin from Kevin and Perry Go Large
He was right about that chest of drawers. It has the vibe of a high school design class project. It is not really functional as furniture but it does not look sophisticated enought to function as a sculpture.
1:53 is one of the best reviews I've ever heard. "I find things like this unnecessary. We don't need them. We should forego them because we need the resources for better things."
His ideas are mine exactly. So much about design nowadays got reduced to making expensive things that have very little practical use. They're attention grabbing because of their ridiculousness, not because of their usefulness. They're made to be different, and that's it. It's like that one ridiculous juice press that was incredibly overbuilt and would only work through a subscription system because it would only accept their own proprietary juice packets. It's the kind of thing one would only own to say "look how rich I am" to other superfluous rich people. That doesn't mean thing shouldn't be colourful or have interesting shapes and whatnot, but the actual application should be more important. Half of the pieces on display look like they'd give you some serious pain if you used then for more than a few moments.
This fellow managed to say what I've desired to say about modern design, in a much more cutting but also more polite way that I could ever hope to do. Good guy, all around! Critical and clear in his opinion, but also able to do so without being needlessly cruel - it's criticism with a point.
If I'm not mistaken I believe the chair he liked at the end has a table that goes with it. I only speculate because a set of these chairs are placed outside the Detroit Institute of Arts around a couple of tables, but they are most likely of separate design and not meant to be a set. Still it is quite fascinating seeing a chair I thought I'd never see anywhere else.
“I like orderly disorder very much. But this is not orderly nor properly disorderly. I find things like this unnecessary. We don’t need them. We should forego them because we need the resources for better things.” - if this isn’t the most German thing that’s ever been said, I don’t know what is.
Well: I’m not sure about the difference between “properly confused” and “not properly confused”. Are there stages of confusion? I’m at least mildly confused right now. - Should I feel disappointed for not being wholly confused? Or delighted about having still room to grow into for a full experience? Maybe one even needs a guide like him, to dive into the deeper nuances of confusion with a sharp mind and a finely tuned sensory apparatus. On the other hand: a sharp mind might be what is preventing me to feel “proper” confusion in the first place, and one needs to be somewhat inebriated to begin with?
/s 😂
@@Stadtpark90 exactly that, now I want to know what is a proper confusion for him
@@Stadtpark90You guys should look up "Hundertwasser". That guy build things being "properly confused".
It's if the is still order on a makro level. Like f.e. creating a big picture of a human out of tiny pictures of his life.
It’s not confused, it’s disorderly. They translated it incorrectly 😂
@@Stadtpark90 i understood him like this: if design is "properly confused", then on the scale between order and disorder it always has to tend more towards disorder to be exciting and interesting. if it lies exactly in the middle of the two poles, it doesn't say anything.
Design museums should each hire him to record a tour like this - people would love it.
Dubbed into english by Werner Herzog
Oh hells yeah - who would turn down the opportunity to hear legendary creative and artistic geniuses talk shit, list their grievances and spill tea about all their friends, colleagues, rivals and bitter enemies. It’s humanizing to see that that even legends are petty sometimes lol.
@@grtynan I hope someone who can do a good impression of him starts doing these.. would be great.
Like they could pay him enough
@@elegachi fair enough but it might appeal to him enough to do it for free.
"Frank Gehry is not a friend of mine, neither personally nor as an architect." 😂 Absolutely withering (and he's right).
For what it's worth: He does not say "neither personally" in the video, it's only in the English subtitles. He says: "Neither as an architect, nor erm…" but doesn't finish the sentence.
@@plasticlove2458 That's too bad because it's a banger of a quote. 😂
@@mpbMKE It is! Well, never sacrifice a good story/quote for the truth 😏
@@plasticlove2458 i felt this was so much better in the original. because you understand the implication, the lack of words just makes it better.
nah he isn’t
"Sit here in summer and you won't need a tattoo" Dude is funny as hell
Is the idea that the metal would be hot and brand one’s back, or that if one was shirtless one would get tan lines reflecting the edges, or something else?
@@drdca8263 tattoo is a type of decoration on surfaces that is painted on a surface to give a certain form or silhouette (example a design on a pool floor); and he means that you won't need to paint anything on the walls because the shadow of that chair will cast a sort of tattoo in summer when the sun is strong
@@drdca8263 The chair is made from plastic, so no it wouldn't burn you. If one were shirtless, you'd get tanned wherever there are holes in the chair
@@__-vb3ht Thanks!
@@ZarzenLetsPlay ohhh ok, thanks
Dieter Rams walks into his child's bedroom "this is neither orderly nor properly confused."
The water is neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm, so one spits it out?
@@drdca8263I think I read this quote somewhere before. Was it the Bible?
@@infernaldisdain8051 yes, Revelations 3:16 (I looked up the specific verse; had forgotten it was from Revelations. I am now wondering if I have misinterpreted this verse. Idk.)
@@drdca8263 nah, you’ve gotten the gist of it, basically fence sitting causes rejection.
@@drdca8263 I always spit water from the faucet out again if it's not properly cold, lol. Can't stand it.
I want this German man in my head. “No, this memory is confusing. It’s too uncomfortable to keep around. And these defense mechanisms have materials that could be put to better use. That personality trait has a story, I’m sure, just not a story that interests me.”
lol perfect
The voice of reason 😂
Omg I so need this 😆
AHAHAHAHA
Who needs Elon Musk’s brain chip when you could have a little guy like this in your head, keeping things tidy 🥹
1:52 “We should forgo them because we need the resources for better things” 😂 He has *spoken* !!
like a true german, lmfao
ikr???@@wbwam7710
He's 100% right. People always excuse shit art with "it's not hurting anyone", but it *is* - there's only so much space in museums, so many grants and commissions... By existing (and being lauded by idiots) they take resources that could go to something good.
I like the part where Dieter Rams points at things he doesn't like.
He deserves his own Werner Herzog documentary!
This would be awesome
I would hope Werner asks Dieter for his thoughts on chickens.
the accents would be everything
It's unbelievable this man is 91... If it weren't for the cane I would've thought he was like 70 or something
I have one of his Braun Automatic Coffee Makers from the 80’s…Still makes a perfect pot of coffee. Still as pretty today as it was when it was produced (a deep, regal green color)…He nailed all the details just right--from the warm glow of the clock light to the sound of alarm when it is finished brewing. Genius, like great design, is timeless!
You'll get 18 months on a modern Philips machine before requiring deep disassembly which isn't in the manual. Depending on use. Family members are strange. They say they aren't interested in getting one, so you buy it for yourself to get a consistent cup, and immediately the family does a 180 and runs the machine ragged with 12 cups a day.
I often ask people if they were in their last days, and they were granted the wish of having one person over for dinner-“Who would you choose?” Snowden is up there, but Dieter tops my list.
@@SUGAR_HOUSE_WYE they are both too contemporary. To really learn you must go to ancient history.
"First allow me to destroy your gallery"
bro why is this so satisfying, I love just watching him calmingly critique stuff in a very german way. Its very charming
This Dieter Rams guy has good taste. Hope he makes more vlogs.
I was expecting this to be a nonstop negativity parade, but that was actually super wholesome! He gives respect to all the designs--the fact he had to be asked to talk about stuff he disliked and only pointed at like three things shows how passionate he is about design
negativity is not inherently bad at all. All that matters is what's true. Forgoing truth because it is negative is a lie
life needs positive and negative things. Only if we let ourself do bad designes, we will be able to understand what good design means. And even bad things need to be used to find out all the bad details.
The title of the video should be “Dieter Rams trapped in a gallery of ugly furniture” 😂
ugly and/or pointless
I do like his stance. From what I get, he simply insists that design should bring some sort of value to the designed item. It might very well be experimental, just to try out new materials or techniques, but it should yield something useful or at least some knowledge about what works and what doesn't. Simply slapping together random items "just because you can" is a waste of resources and is what furthers the public's understanding that "design" just means "expensive".
He exactly got the point of art as well. Just mashing Colors because you can is not art. Except for when the story how they got there is art as well
I agree, design is not a pure art. Design is about making a practical things work more effectively, efficiently, and pleasing on the eye. If the thing didn't have any practical use, I think it's not a design at all.
This is funny as hell!😂. When I was a student in college, our idols were Phillip Stark, Karim Rashid, and Marc Newson. As a mature professional designer, I can’t help but see those guys as toy designers for adults. Very few of their products have a practical use.
form doesn’t always have to follow function. you seem boring
@@rurathn5534 could call it pragmatic. boring is an insult.
@@rurathn5534If I'm paying a lot of money for a chair, I want it to be functional. Don't care if that makes me boring 🤷♂️
Rashid’s products for Umbra were/are very practical though.
If the designed object loses its function it is not a useful thing but becomes art.. different audience.
That is one graceful combover
I'm still waiting for the uncut "Dieter ranting about things" material, which Gary "promised" us after his screening in Hamburg. 😂
That Tattoo joke got me good😂❤️
banter mate!
i have no clue who this man is but i have decided it is now my mission to match his level of tact and humor wherever possible
e: i am now aware of who this man is and i like him more
He inspired Jonny Ive, his design language can be seen in Apple devices and UX (10 principles of good Design). See his Braun calculator or speakers.
he is an iconic product and industrial designer
Ooh, get a walking cane so you can point at things with it! Then plop it back down, resting both hands on the handle, concernedly looking at whatever you pointed to, as you make your scathing remark.
Thanks for the explanations, now I want to research more about him
@@j.w.1079did you just imply Dieter Rams highest achievement is to inspire a copycat at apple? you see, that is apple zealotry at its best. and applefags wonder how lots of people abhor that wretched -religion- company.
I'd love to spend an afternoon in a museum with this guy 🙂
he'd hate on your pairing of clashing socks and shirt.:D
I effing love this clip and watch it every few weeks - I especially love the title!!! 😂😂😂 It's so adorable seeing this legendary designer literally point at those creations with his walking stick and rip them and their Creators apart! 😂😂😂
My favorite part of the whole movie! No-one else could walk around and criticize stuff like that. He's untouchable. :D
I was thinking the same. And it's mostly because he designed extraordinary beautiful objects that proved time and time again to be as utilitarian as possible.
I mean, I would walk around and criticise stuff like that, but no one cares what I have to say.
Which movie is it?
@@gimly”Rams” is the title
Key phrase - you don’t have to like everything! A wise man.
If Dieter Rams was interviewing for a design job today, the feedback would look something like:
Very combative and dismissive of ideas. Did not collaborate well with the interviewers. Said "Experiments are good but this is useless" which is a red flag for our team. We ended the interview when one idea during the brianstorm session was described as "Unnecessary. We don't need it".
Do not hire.
That is why designs are getting boring (the "newest" iPhone anyone) or pretty dystopian (BMW XM??)... consensus is the enemy of good design...
@@HansPeterLackner So true.
You forgot "not a team player".
@markjharvey: I disagree. Rams is talking in German while being interviewed. He is being asked about his opinion and is not at all combative with his answers. You have to consider the context of this interview. Job interviews in Germany and in German are substantially different from the setting in the USA. He is criticizing the creations and not the creators. And he is mentioning that this is his opinion. So the whole talk is conceived in German not as rude or disrespectful. Even his statement about Frank Gehry is not very aggressive for a German context. This is German culture. Suger-coating or watering down your opinion on the other hand would be perceived as dishonest and disrespectful. This is German culture - btw in the Netherlands is the same. In a Job interview in Germany Dieter Rams answers would be fine.
probably true and if so, sad. value needs edges.
"we should forego them because we need the resources for better things" now that's something I wholly agree with, people don't realise our resources are valuable and they shouldn't be wasted on crap we don't need.
you do realize that's not how resouces can be utilizied in real life right ? To have a authority to guide your resouce allocation is both unrealistic and narrow-minded (who the heck are you to decide what to and what not to?)
That bookshelf design is not useful as a furniture but it's beautiful and is almost the on par to a recreation of some video game scenes, it's art instead of certain self esteemed utilitarian designs that get outdated faster than blitzkrieg
@@yamao4938If by "real life" you mean a materialist/capitalist/consumerist society, then you're right. Using "resources" wisely is not narrow-minded, it's being responsible. That goes for art too. There's enough post-post-(post?-)modernist crap as it is. IMO, of course.
@@yamao4938 buncha loaded buzzwords & ungrounded ideas about consumerism. ultimately people will do what they want w resources but having principles to check wanton expenditure of the *finite* materials necessary for production is not authoritarian, & neither is applying those principles to critique.
certain concepts can (& arguably should) stay on the drawing board, or in the 3D modelling program, or as a downscale model at most. argument to the contrary is possible, but remains holistically unconvincing when viewed thru a materialist lens. we don't live in a computer game w infinite spawn glitching quite yet. we gotta share; naturally, then, people will think "i could have used that better," & that's altogether very normal.
You would say that people who wasted resources and were unsuccessful in their time like many artists but then are recognized centuries later. To say stuff can't seem worth it in thr future is presumptuous
He might seem a tad abrasive in this, but his design philosophy is so intensely warm and humanistic. He's totally right about unnecessary consumerist waste and impracticality, but he also acknowledges there's importance in those experiments 😤😤👌👌
Finally someone called out Frank Gehry's bullshit..!
what was he pointing to when talking abt gehry?
Agreed. Gehry’s output is clever and precise and expensive. I feel it lacks a heart, like it was born out of a disembodied brain.
That stack of mismatched and askew drawers held together by a canvas strap? @@robotickitty5724
@@robotickitty5724 czcams.com/video/ypyAg3Zbs_8/video.html lol no punches pulled
@@robotickitty5724 the cardboard chair
This is how my dad treated everything I ever did.
This really needs to be longer
I could watch 8 hours of this!
This is for me personally the best video on the internet 😂
this guy has so much swag it's insane
(Not exactly verbatim) "Even in things I don't like, there's still a story, like why was it made that way? "Wow I loved that! He is so clearheaded. You can really tell he looks at objects, beyond what they are, and looks into how we can interact with them
we need this man in every art institution in the world.
This is me at Design Within Reach.
To see all these things displayed and also to have someone experienced comment on it is so interesting and very comforting.
Such a cheerful young chap this one!
I love how polite he is when criticizing them
Art is one thing. Design is another. Experimenting with design and selling it for a ludicrous price, calling it "art", when it (in no way) advances the function of the design - THAT is what Dieter was saying he didn't like. And I wholly agree with.
There is no such thing as a clear boundary between art and design. We are already at a point where big companies no longer only design products, but experiences. I agree with the ridiculousness of art prices though, but that's usually not the fault of the artists.
@@kidcoma1340I'm nitpicking but I would say that, though there is lots of overlap between art and design, the distinction is function. A picture on the wall is art because it serves no other function. A beautiful coffee machine is design because it is artful and functional. A sculpture of a beautiful coffee machine is art because it is not functional.
"Art Is Art and Everything Else Is Everything Else" (Ad Reinhardt)
In my design studies I was told that design has a mediating role between art and industry. Dieter Rams emphasises this service. The objects he designs (household appliances, hi-fi, furniture, etc.) are characterised by high added value (ease of use, long-term benefits, etc.).
But
Not everyone likes the tidiness of a monastery cell. Armchairs and chairs can have sculptural qualities and still be comfortable (Harry Bertoia, Charles + Ray Eamse, Arne Jacobsen etc.). A lamp can bring a smile to my face and still function without any problems (Parentesi, Snoopy by Achille Castiglioni). And a coat rack can add aesthetic value to my relative disorganisation (Cactus by Guido Drocco and Franco Mello).
In other words: I love the grey value as articulated in the "as well as". Purism may be good in the kitchen (e.g. with carapaccio and wine).
@@willyog okay, so what about a coffee machine that is made of compressed coffee powder and in order to make coffee you have to break away bits and pieces of it, breaking it in the process? "Art" isn't limited to things that are beautiful, it means moving or thought provoking.
Art can use any medium it finds useful, be it film, photography - or design.
Only because you draw a rigid line between design and art, doesn't mean the artist needs to. Which probably lead to the comical situation of Dieter Rams not being able to understand why anyone would design such a "weird" object.
I would do anything to spend a whole day following and listening to him throw shade at his fellow designers. 😄
No idea why this came into my suggestions, but I’m glad it did. Never really thought too much about furniture, but it is at the interface between art and engineering; it is embedded in our forms of life, from high culture to the quotidian, and touches questions of ethics, economics, ecology. There are many such things I do not think too much about, but I am glad there are thoughtful people who take such things seriously, otherwise our architecture and interiors would either be cold, lifeless utilitarianism, or tasteless kitch, pretentious absurdity, and gaudy status signifiers. Too often it is all these things, but I only notice when it has all gone horribly wrong.
Subtle, refined, beautifully filmed.. its hilarious. I need an hour of this :D
Him roasting that desk drawer ball bahahahaha
I really like his walking stick. Too bad I don’t need one (yet). But this one I will definitely get some day…
Does he need it? 🤔
@@Arkanoying He needs it to point at things he doesn't like
You don’t need to need a walking stick to use one, I think?
It might be a little odd, but I think(?) most people would accept “because I think walking sticks are cool” as a reason for someone carrying one around.
Seems like he can't detach himself from the practical design mind to appreciate the artistry of these experimental works.
“It’s too playful for me” thats the most german thing i ‘ve ever heard!
Ich könnte den ganzen Tag zuhören wie Rams Designs kommentiert, großartig!
Thank you Sir for being honest with yourself and us!
the biggest design flex in the entie museum is this man's cane
I never understood designers' obsession with chairs, but all of these together like this does look beaufil
By the way If some designer out there could explain to me why are designers are obsessed with chairs It would be amazing
a lot of talking, decent amount of pointing at things. Also pointing with a cane.
i liked it
I absolutel adore this man.
Constantin Krcic must be delighted ….! Always loved that chair of his!
This is my new favorite video.
most fun video of rams on the internet
A resource saved is a resource earned, love how he put it about the cabinet confusion piece
"Nor properly confused" are 3 words I never knew I needed to use together until today.
2:24 you could sit on it outside in the summer and you wouldn't need to get a tattoo 🤣🤣
This and trashing Gehry were the best bits.😂🤣
His appreciation for Sottsass was a little surprising for me .....but he obviously was a friend.
yes, surprising because it's merely performative, not useful or particularly attractive.
Wish this could be longer... this is one of the most interesting videos I have seen in a while.
Is there another video of things he likes? That would be interesting too.
This is from a documentary about the guy, “Rams”
Thank you. Appreciate it. @@haris_robinson
I understand his dislikes.
As a creator, you have to be even more talented than usual to masterfully use ugliness, bad taste or anecdote in your work.
Tons of modern desig chairs but visitors still using a traditional desing seating because it´s still the best design for the job XD
"I like orderly confusion very much, but this is neither orderly or properly confused."
LIVING LEGEND
What an absolute treasure this man is
"Is this art or can it be dumped?!
2:08 When I first watched this video I thought this chair was just another experiment, but then I spotted this exact design at a train station. I regret that I didn't try sitting on it
I've sat in that chair that he liked! It was outside of a canteen on a company campus in Germany
That walking stick is so his design style 😂😂😂
I could watch this for hours
I understand him so well, but even then, it is so german of him that it’s hilarious! 😄
I personally collect chair designs. It's amazing to see someone else with a similar interest.
Bester Mensch! So viel Liebe!
Ja
A German saying they want something to be more orderly is priceless
doesn't everyone. is there really someone out there that prefers things to be chaotic. i find it tedious.
I like the cut of your jib, Dieter. It is comprised of excellent materials.
2:07 This chair design was chosen for a a train station in Katowice (Poland). I believe it being homeless-unfriendly might have been the major consideration.
Stell dir vor, Dieter Rams ist dein Schwiegervater.
Me: "Hi!"
Dieter Rams: *points at me with his cane*
Me: "Sh...t"
~walks into a room with a gaudy silver couch~
Yeah! Point at that one! That one sucks!
~he points at it~
YEAH!!!
‘Frank Gehry is not a friend of mine, neither personally nor as an architect’ - Dieter Rams
‘You are not my mate, and you are not my fellow DJ’ Kevin from Kevin and Perry Go Large
Finally someone’s echoed my feeling that the Lockheed lounge is an abomination… 🙌
He was right about that chest of drawers. It has the vibe of a high school design class project. It is not really functional as furniture but it does not look sophisticated enought to function as a sculpture.
I'm half expecting to see Plato wandering around whatever that room is.
"In general, it's too playful for me" is probably the most prototypical German thought ever expressed.
I have to watch the full doc asap. Also, I really like that part of the Vitra Museum
Can you post a link to the full doku?
Much appreciated
Dude doesn't like anything except for his Porsche from what i gather
😂 I recognise half these chairs from SPY × FAMILY cover art
Marc Newson in tatters lol
1:53 is one of the best reviews I've ever heard.
"I find things like this unnecessary. We don't need them. We should forego them because we need the resources for better things."
His ideas are mine exactly. So much about design nowadays got reduced to making expensive things that have very little practical use. They're attention grabbing because of their ridiculousness, not because of their usefulness. They're made to be different, and that's it. It's like that one ridiculous juice press that was incredibly overbuilt and would only work through a subscription system because it would only accept their own proprietary juice packets. It's the kind of thing one would only own to say "look how rich I am" to other superfluous rich people.
That doesn't mean thing shouldn't be colourful or have interesting shapes and whatnot, but the actual application should be more important. Half of the pieces on display look like they'd give you some serious pain if you used then for more than a few moments.
I love this guy.
What is the green chair at the 2min mark? Anyone know?
Very clearly spoken German.
This fellow managed to say what I've desired to say about modern design, in a much more cutting but also more polite way that I could ever hope to do. Good guy, all around! Critical and clear in his opinion, but also able to do so without being needlessly cruel - it's criticism with a point.
I love him just roasting the shit out of the most well known pieces of Dutch Design (the cabinet from Droog design collective)
The contents of the video was exactly what was written on the tin.
If I'm not mistaken I believe the chair he liked at the end has a table that goes with it. I only speculate because a set of these chairs are placed outside the Detroit Institute of Arts around a couple of tables, but they are most likely of separate design and not meant to be a set. Still it is quite fascinating seeing a chair I thought I'd never see anywhere else.