It Starts Great! Then it all falls apart... - Doctor Who: The Space Museum (1965) - REVIEW
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"Yes, my dear. And we've arrived..."
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The part of the doctor hiding in that dalek and laughing like a child never fails to make me happy
Retroactively making fun of the Master. :P
The laugh is so Yoda like it makes me think if Frank Oz was watching it.
Agreed. That's an absolutely epic scene. ❤👍🏼
Sounds like that woodpecker from Bagpuss
6:48 - Forty years later, he would also write a Doctor Who story which features a Dalek on display in a musuem. Ever since I first found out about this story, I wondered if this is just a coincidence, or if he got the idea from this story...
Probably. Fanboys will still kiss his bottom regardless. 🤷♂️
Looking forward to "Time Meddler" as that's my favorite Hartnell story
The music in episode 1 in places is top tier. Reminds me of that piece of music at the beginning of Web of Fear that Stanley Kubrick used in the Shinning.
"Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta" Béla Bartók
I adored this story when I first watched it, but I had been stuck in a hospital bed for a month with such interesting options to watch as the Tangled TV show and later on Vatican news in Italian (it's a long story) so the space museum seemed like high art in comparison 😂
It could be argued that Victor Pemberton was the first person to both write for and act in Doctor Who. Yes, Fury from the Deep is a while away yet, but his appearance in The Moonbase predates Glyn Jones's performance in The Sontaran Experiment. You could even put Derrick Sherwin in between them, if you stretch the definition slightly. Saying that, Glyn Jones is definitely the first writer who would go on to later appear in the show itself, so it depends on definitions and semantics, I suppose.
I never understood the hate towards this story. The general consensus seems to be that episode. One is great, but then everything else is bad.
I guess that's sort of true, because it's not exactly clear how they resolve the conflict, but I feel the suspense towards it really adds to something. I feel episode 2 deserves just as much credit as episode 1, because episode 2 does a good job at really showing how the characters don't really know what to do; Yes, they know what destination they're heading to, and they figure they have a good chance at being able to divert from it, but how can they divert from the destination, when they have no idea which path leads to it?
Not to mention the scene where The Doctor is messing with his interrogator with that thought machine has always inspired me as a kid. I was always so used to the idea that someone being able to read your mind really would be able to know everything that you're thinking and there's nothing that you could do about it, but that scene made me realize that while people being able to read your mind would be a huge evasion of your privacy, it doesn't leave you completely exposed, as you do have some level of control over what you think about. You could just think about misleading things in order to trick the mind readers.
I ultimately feel that the first half is just So good, and the second half may be average, but it's not bad enough to justify the hate that this story gets. I actually find this story just as enjoyable as The Chase.
Same, I watched it recently and enjoyed it overall, was far from perfect but I don't think it deserves the hate it gets.
Thank you for your delightful review. Great fun. I recognised Jeremy Bullock immediately, no mention of Star Wars necessary. He first appeared on my radar as a character is the abysmal LWT production of 'Agony' (Allegedly a comedy). When he was cast as Boba Fett I had to laugh. Thank goodness Empire offered-up a great role for Jeremy. The man deserves respect.
It's a timey-wimey story ahead of it's time!
Also, one of the other Xerons is played by Peter Craze, brother of Michael Craze who played companion Ben Jackson in seasons 3 and 4. Peter appeared in Who twice more in The War Games and Nightmare of Eden.
the space museum is a story i'll always have a soft spot for, but hearing your perspective on it has really helped me understand all the criticism put on it that i've never really related to. looking forward to the time meddler
Be curious to see what you think of my favorite Hartnell The Time Meddler next time round. Another great review video, love it
My interpretation is the Morlocks are just bored museum custodians, kicked into some dead-end job on a backwater planet that Head Office have forgotten about, whose greatest danger is their Grant Funding application being turned down.
I thought this was the first "wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey" episode.
I really loved that first episode, and I really liked Hartnell’s performance with the Moroks. The best way to describe this serial is that it’s an episode of “The Twilight Zone”, followed by three episodes of “Lost In Space.”
I remember watching it at the age of 7 and I agree with your comments. Episode 1 was genuinely thought-provoking and I can remember endless debates about it in the school playground on Monday. But I have absolutely no recollection of any part of the rest of the story
17:25 - The 14th doctor after regeneration
I like The Space Museum
Brilliant - and very funny (16:49) - work, as usual Will.
With respect to Rob S’s interesting (always) defence, I’m with you on this one.
I wouldn’t change a word of this review, ‘not one line!’
Just like your namesake, er… 11:10!
👌😁
Considering just how highly regarded "Dalek" is, I think it would be fair to say that Mr. Shearman took inspiration from his favorite serial, admitted there were problems, then proceeded to fix them so we could all have a version of "The Space Museum" that does actually work as a story. Not bad, if I do say so myself and thinking on it now, the two stories really do share a lot of similarities but while "Space Museum" essentially takes it's neat premise and then tosses it aside for bad farce, "Dalek" takes the idea of a Dalek in a museum and runs with it, even turning The Doctor into a villian in the process. Say what you will but Rob Shearman definitely knew how to make gold out of that story so, kudos to the fans of oft-despised serials.
Like regeneration, you're never quite sure what you're going to get...😅😂😁
@@christopheralthouse6378
Excellent observation.
And it’s an honourable literary tradition.
Like Shakespeare - who invented none of his plots - taking an older story and reinventing it as a masterpiece!
I love this one..parts 2-4 under rated. Favourote hartnell story
I never noticed how similar Yoda is to Hartnell’s Doctor before.
Space Museum tries, bless it. Sometimes ambition can run away with itself. Still very nice moments all the same. Good analysis Mr. T.
The funny thing is what you basically got from the end of this episode is that it should just cut to The Chase
I laugh every time you use the "It's only a model" clip. Also loved the talk about the Doctor posting memes and being a sh*tposter!
1:56 Christopher Nolan's secret inspiration for TENET right here.
Totally agree, the first episode is awesome but the other episodes suck but are redeemed a little by Hartnell who has fun in this story by hiding in a Dalek(Love that scene too!) and outwitting the Moroks by showing false images on the screen when he’s captured. That’s why Part 3 is even worse cos Hartnell wasn’t in it due to having holibobs that week.
What frustrates me about "The Space Museum" is the foreshadowing not only about the button but Barbara's sweater. It's right THERE! OK fine the characters don't notice it but apparently neither do any viewers. When I've brought it up they dismiss it completely. Not even as "that's so obvious" but more like "who cares?" TBF I haven't scoured the internet for every single discussion of "The Space Museum" so it's possible that others have noticed it too.
The least important things sometimes, my dear boy, lead to the greatest discoveries
After doing the Hartnell and Troughton marathons, would you think about doing the other marathons for Pertwee to McGann?
Isn't the button thing about whether they've changed their doomed future or not? As in, does the future frozen Ian they (fore)saw behind glass still have all his buttons, or not?
DOCTOR: Yes, you know, losing a button could change the future. It's a pity, my dear boy, you didn't discover it was missing in the cases when we were standing there staring at each other.
IAN: Doctor, I'd just come face to face with myself. I wasn't counting the buttons on my jacket.
Rob Shearman does a "defending the Museum" feature on the DVD, I think. It has been described on a podcast as "Rob Shearman is both very right and very wrong."
I agree that the first episode is great with its curious mystery, and then as the story continues, it's pretty much just ignored and has no more impact on the story. Someone should try rewriting this story to take greater advantage of its opening (if they haven't already done so). And of course, with a bigger budget, we could get a more elaborate space museum, which could be lots of fun.
I'd argue episodes 1 and 2 are both good due to the doctor's antics. Having him be captured and out of commission for episode 3 was a terrible idea because the serial had nothing else to stand on. Having ineffective side characters would have been fine with better direction since the main antagonistic force is not the Morocks but the possible future where they're dead and on display. I think a better way to handle this story would have been to make it a time loop where they have to try different things to find out what works. They could do nothing and end up in the cases or they could easily defeat the villains and end up in the cases anyway. And then they'd come up with a novel solution that worked on episode 4 after they were on the correct time track and would not longer loop. It'd make episodes 2-4 a lot more interesting. But here I am giving prescriptive criticism for a serial that came out 60 years ago.
11:53 - The computer's voice sounds depressed.
Considering Morok cosplay anytime soon?
Can one rent a good, deep but tall widow’s peak in the south?
@@papadopp3870 If not. I'm sure a more ..experimental barber, would be happy to give it a go.
always looking forward to this series of videos... much vibing.... i love the space museum but it can be really boring... i see the planet natives as like the Thaals, except instead of pacificist, they are wimpy and/or kinda useless/clueless. Also, kick-starting a revolution is a very Vicky move and it's my fav side to her character.
Doctor: "I fooled them all! I am the master!"
The Master: "You're the WHAT?!"
Mr Tardis, since The Daleks and The Dalek Invasion of Earth were made into movies, which other Hartnell story would you have had made into a feature length colour film if you had the power?
Mr Tardis accidentally giving me something to talk about in May the 4th, by giving a random piece of Star Wars trivia that is related to Doctor Who.
wow I never knew a Boba Fett actor had been in Doctor Who
Evil Overload Protip: Do not allow your weapon vault to open those saying they want to cause a revolution
I can't help but laugh when how the Moroks sounding like Morons was pointed out by Shearman... And then we get a pretty similar villain sounding name by way of the Morax in the Witchfinders...
The Doctor said, “I’ve fooled them all! I am the Master!” Which confirms that the master is a future incarnation of the Valeyard!
It’s all in my fanfiction!
I personally really enjoyed the story, I thought it was a fun B-movie style episode
Funny, when I watched this one, I took Lobos as just a director/person of authority in this old and forgotten museum and the other Moraks as regular workers, so The Doctor outwitting him that easily didn't come to me as a mistake, but if he is the leader of the Moraks, yeah, I can see people having trouble with that.
He's not the leader of the Moroks - He's an ex-general relegated to being the director of this museum nobody cares about any more!
The obvious take-away being that he wasn't someone the Moroks wanted in a real position of power!
Mr. TARDIS is going through Classic Doctor Who while Harbo Wholmes is going through Revival Doctor Who.
Guys he is going to do the time middler next because he has already reviewed the chase he told me the the space menuse will be up next Friday In the uk which means this week coming up I am so excited for him to review the time middle
You hated this episode a lot more than I did. Although I thought it was far from perfect I enjoyed it overall. I tend to find a lot of Whovian CZcams accounts are really disparaging about classic Who, which is a shame I don't think it's nearly as bad as it's made out to be and I do think the time it was made should be considered a factor in things like production values.
I also get a bit fed up of people taking a dig at Hartnell forgetting his lines, I know in this case it was done just for comedic effect but we all know why he struggled with his lines it feels a bit unfair to bring it up as often as people do. He was a good performer overall and part of the reason the show was such a success in the first place.
17'00" maybe the gas is poisonous to Xerons but only makes humans feel a bit weak?
9:10 That can be explained. They as the species conquered the entire universe but their descendants have nothing to live for. So of course they are unskilled they are the spoiled children of conquerers.
I love the space menuse all through the story william hartnell has a great performance and william russell does and the actress who plays brabre has a great performance and the actress who plays Vikic has a great profames the all of the guest star have a great performance and I really like the space menuse
I'm here first for once? Wow, lucky timing. Yeah, there was a documentary on the 2-story boxset with this and The Chase that said the problem with the Space Museum is that no one wants it. I would watch during a marathon of course, but be eagerly awaiting The Chase afterward. It does kinda live in its shadow, at least in my opinion.
Definitely agree the story gets quite generic after the first episode, but I still enjoy it. Very distinct production in my opinion.
Early on Doctor Who had a big thing for teenage girl characters, in addition to Vicki, Victoria & Zoe who I think all had scripted ages under 16 Susan would have had to pass for 15 or younger to be at school still
I wish The Space Museum HAD used the whole skipping a time-track as the focus. It could have been like Sapphire and Steel but 20 years early.
They could have been helpless spectators watching the “revolution” try (and fail).
It could have been great, but sadly, as said ep 2-4 are dreadful.
This is THE definition of an utterly fantastic beginning, and then a whole load of nothing. The concept is brilliant, the execution isn't just poor. It seems to just kinda forget the concept. There was a much, much more interesting story buried in here.
So you recommend cutting to The Chase, eh? 😋
13:21 really? That's awesome! I admire Bullock to no end and actually met him once.
1 really said "lmao get walrus'd + ratio"
“The Doctor’s just a walking, talking shitposter.”
Doctor Who created shitposting before social media was a thing.
This episode is in the wrong place in the playlist
After episode one the serial really drags
Dennis Spooner taking out thehumour seems out of character. Maybe Spooner didn't think the humour was that funny
Can't disagree here.
Probably the most obvious example of part 1 being amazing and the rest flopping in all of the classic series. A real shame to see them setting the story in place so well and then totally fumbling the ball.
Eh, I thought this one was ok.
The only good parts in The Space Museum is... Episode 1 obviously, And parts involving the Daleks's cameo.
The 'overated' Rob Shearman.
I know 'Caves of Androzani' to 'Twin Dilemma' is seen as the biggest drop off in quality between stories,
But 'The Crusades' to 'The Space Museum' has to be up there as well right?
Right?
I actually think the drop-off between 'The Romans' and 'The Web Planet' is bigger...
You other drops like these.
World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls to Twice Upon a Time
Dalek to The Long Game
Genesis of the Daleks to Revenge of the Cybermen
Earthshock to Time-Flight
The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit to Love & Monsters
The Eleventh Hour to The Beast Below
A Good Man Goes to War to Let’s Kill Hitler
Flatline to In the Forest of the Night
Heaven Sent to Hell Bent
Rosa to Arachnids in the UK
Village of the Angels to Survivors of the Flux
These might not be as big but they’re still examples from great episodes to either mixed or just bad.
@@bladersmosh Imma have to hard disagree on that Twice Upon a Time take. Imo it was a brilliant character piece that showed we don't always need a high energy plot or even a true antagonist. In terms of the 12th Doctor's arc, I would have been totally fine with a regeneration at the end of The Doctor Falls, but what we got is WEAT/TDF as one of the best climactic stories in the entire show followed by a resolution that was almost just as good in TUAT (points taken off for the 1st Doctor's characterization). I tend to think of them as a single 3-act story.
Dig at British colonialism - totally unnecessary. As if it were just us in the day.
Never said it was just us and I just described that it was a thing that happened rather than it being a "dig". I'm sorry if using a pretty basic example to make a story-related point was too much for you.
@@MrTARDIS
It just wasn't a very good basic example - you need to up your game.
It's a story made by a British creative team in the sixties, and the villains are a colonial society who have peaked and no longer do any conquering. They just maintain museums full of trophies of their past conquests, and probably occasionally get wistful for the days when they were more powerful and important than they are now.
The parallels were probably intentional, especially if the story started life as a satire. I don't think the story was intended as a ruthless deconstruction of the British Empire and its apologists or anything like that, but I can see it being self-deprecating humour about British culture at the time and its perception of itself.
@@Talisguy
Not in 1965
@@andrewholdaway813 That's still about fifty years past the peak of the Empire's power, eighteen years after India gained its independence and a decade or so after the Suez crisis firmly established that the US had supplanted Britain as the world's pre-eminent superpower. It's late enough for people to feel like Britain had become a shadow of its former self and complain about it, especially since the peak days of the Empire were still in living memory.