CUT POKÉMON Discovered in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet!!
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Evidence of cut Pokemon has recently been discovered within the game code of Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, giving us a glimpse at Pokemon that were planned for the games, but didn't make the final cut. In today's video, we are going to take a look at these cut Pokemon, why they might have been cut, and most importantly, who they actually are!
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I think making them birds would have worked too. Fins become wings.
@@astridposey that’s also a good idea!! Making them flying types would be pretty cool!
@@HoopsandHipHop I made a fakemon region with flying regional variants of Magikarp and Gyrados before I watched this vid :)
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I saw a cool idea for a Rock-type convergeant Magikarp called Tragikarp based on a shriveled, dead fish. It’d probably evolve into a Rock/Ghost type called Scarados.
I came up with the name for a Water/Ghost, Scareidos, over 10 Years ago!! 😂😂😂
That artist made the evolution too, Zenidos, it's a snake/zen tree that blooms from Tragikarp
@@valeriocapanni Gen 9 has yet another Gimmick?!
And it sounds literally like Regional Forms??
@@nenmaster5218 yesnt, the convergent forms, they are basically what Kleavor was in Legend Arceus. A Pokémon who evolved through time in a similar way to another Pokémon. Diglett and Wiglett, Tentacool and Toadscool are sadly the only two examples belonging to this "family" right now.
@@valeriocapanni A Pokemon who evolved through time in a similar way to another Pokémon?
I think it’s unfortunate that they got scrapped, but I think it was better that they scrapped them for the tentacool line. Magikarp’s line is Iconic already, but tentacool and tentacruel are generally forgotten, so it was good that they got something.
But Diglet is iconic too tho
@@Durpy215 yeah, but diglett’s other regional form was done dirty so he kinda deserved better
I really hope we see the convergent evolutions of Magikarp and Gyarados in the Scarlet and Violet DLC. I also hope to see a Paradox Past form of Magikarp where it is Water/Dragon and based on its Pokédex entry where the past form of Magikarp is stronger than its current descendant!
Watch that punk becomes and OP golden serpent water dragon 🐉
I sure hope so. I felt so cheated when I caught one in Legends and found it to actually be weaker than how it was in Sword and Shield.
Past Paradoxes really do a lot more interesting than Future ones
Don’t get hyped, they’ll just release Mamagikarp
I want past and future Eevee myself.
The name "Numerados" could also work in Japanese, since "nume nume" is the Japanese onomatopoeia (sound effect word) for the sound of moving through something sticky or slimy, such as mud, essentially being the Japanese equivalent of something like "squelch squelch" or "squish squish".
So a Ground-type Pokémon that looks very similar to Gyarados and "swims" in mud like how Gyarados swims in water could wind up having the name "Numerados".
Maybe it was a worm Pokemon but got cut as they already had the Steel type earthworm.
Also "Numerados" literally translates to "numbered" in Spanish 😅
Roddy rich: run up them numerator!
The reason why "Hill-Karp" and "Hill-Gyarados" are cut is pretty solid in this video I must say. It is indeed a bit difficult to pull off the same concept of them but on the land.
And since GameFreak even got artist block on Mega Flygon, I wouldn't blame them for having this issue on them either.
Wiglett and Toadscool however really made a good job pulling off the concept, Wiglett being the same meme creature as diglett but being a garden eel rather than a mole
Toadscool was a wordplay in Japanese, where a kind of fungus that grows on Tree is called "Tree jellyfish". So they made Toadscool a fungus Pokemon.
And Boy how I love Toadscool running around with its... legs? I assume it's made of mycelium, which resembles tentacool's tentacles.
Convergent Magikarp would have been so cool! Imagine it was like really strong as magikarp!
I can imagine instead of fins it had wings, and maybe magikarp variant was more badass looking while the gyrados variant was more goofy
Personally, I would've liked something that looked like a large and savage looking Magikarp, about the size of a Basculegion, that was strong enough that it was a single stage evilution and didn't need to evolve. Although since the one that was cut did evolve, this wouldn't have happened.
Building off that, a convergent Pokémon where the Gyarados analog is really small and weak and is the base stage, and it evolves into a huge Magikarp-esque Pokémon that is the powerful, evolved one.
that description just sounds like the dratini evolution line 😆😆
Feebas
I think magikarp and gyarados being so iconic would be even more reason to give them new forms.
Charizard has three different forms, and Magikarp/Gyarados are at least as iconic. Let’s show some love to other Pokemon for a change!
Might be dlc, otherwise this is a good window into how out of touch pokemon is....
Yeah look at all the Pikachu knockoffs
I think their names could be changed to fit the naming conventions of the existing regional fakes; where half of the portmanteau is carried over to the evolved form.
Maybe something like Magigart and Garterdos, after garter snakes?
That wouldn't make sense
Garter snakes are live bearers and plus these aren't based on Garters they're based on water snakes
That’s pretty cool!!! :)
Since not all name inspirations come primarily from their origins-
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True, meanwhile we have stuff like cyndaquil, the echidna "mouse" Pokemon, that evolves into an egg-laying badger because all Pokemon do that for some reason. :P
@@Friendstoyourend Pokémon naming conventions do not usually make sense 💀
My theory is that they may have wanted to save the gyrados redesign for a region they thought would fit better. Like if gen 10 Australia they could turn it into a eastern brown snake or something. Would fit better than Spain. That or instead of a convergent form maybe they decided a regional form would be better instead or what ever gimmick forms are like paradox pokemon.
Convergeant Type?!
Gen 9 has yet Another Gimmick?!
I would’ve made the convergent Magikarp line Psychic/Dragon with the levitate ability. Add some draconic features, levitate explains it moving from water to land and it’s a typing not too common, plus we’ve ALL wanted Gyarados to be a dragon since Gen I so🤷🏿♀️
I believed that it's not about cut Pokemon, but Toadscool and Toadscruel are coded over the Magicarp and Cyarados code because Scarlet and Violet don't have normal Tentacool and Tentacruel but there is a normal Madicarp and Gyarados. But this is a nice theory as well.
I get this reasoning, however Diglett is in the Pladea dex in addition to Wiglett, so it must not be the case.
@@jikkermanccini Maybe because Paldea also has regular Digletts and Dugtrios
Love these two, but I guessed they were pure grass, being a seed and a twisted 'pine-tree' trunk. Magikorn (magic + corn preserving the phonetic K) and Gyarastem (preserving the possible 'reversal' meaning of gyarados and adding "stem").
I personally think the convergent Magikarp and Gyarados were cut from the main game so they could be added in with DLC. If you think about it, why do Tentacool and Tentacruel have convergent Pokémon when they are not even in the game? Diglett and Dugtrio are in the game despite having convergent Pokémon.
Could be, but its probably the other way around. All of them had to be in development but only Toedscool and Toedscrul got to a point where they were satisfied, so the decision to swap them would most likely have been made to give them more time to work on Magikarp and Gyarados.
If that's the case Tentacool, Tentacruel, and their counterparts may have originally been meant for the DLC instead, which if true means the former could come with it as well.
It could be dlc, I can see that, but honestly if it isn't it's just another reason why I think pokemon is going downhill
@@jackkawf4449 "pokemon is a terrible game because they didnt add a snake magikarp in an egg for the dlc"
@@xekeyo I mean it goes beyond that, basically they are out of touch with their fans, but even your interpretation shows your lack of comprehension.....
A much more exciting idea for scrapping is that they maybe decided they were too good and would be perfect for DLC! We can dream at least....
Gyarados is based on a Japanese koi wind sock. I forget what they're called. You could have leaned heavily into Gyarados' flying type and maybe give it a second non-water type. Dragon? But make it a kite? Then work backwards to make Magikarp's convergent design.
I do enjoy your snake designs though!
This makes even more sense when you consider that gyarados/ magikarp are based off the japanese legend of a koi swimming up a waterfall and becoming a dragon.
I do love this version of Magikarp and Gyarados version designs it's just a shame that they weren't on Pokemon Scarlet and Violet games when they're released back in November.
I like the idea of Mimikarp how it follows its own theme of being a coward of not leaving its shell but until eventually it does come out of the shell it's kind of like how Magikarp is seen as weak but it's actually strong when it grows up one thing I would change is add an eggshell hat to its head To make it so look more of a timid
I honestly would have liked to see the convergent forms of the Karp line and hope it gets added in the dlc I’ve been hearing about. They look amazing! Even if we only have their names in the files these designs feel like something GameFreak probably would have done!
I would like to see more convergent Pokémon in a possible future DLC one day. Just like the regional forms, there are only two convergent Pokémon.
the fire type for a convergent line of magikarp would be so cool imo. maybe make a flying fish inspired design for magikarp, but instead of inhabiting water, they inhabit lava. and then for the gyarados evolution, make it into a fire/rock type (yknow bc when lava cools it hardens)
a name for the magikarp regional fake could be magmikarp (obviously from the word magma + magikarp), and the one for gyarados could be gabbrados (from a type of igneous rock called gabbro + gyarados)
These designs are so clever! Finding cut Pokemon for this game already is really interesting and I'd love to see some more get leaked or found somehow. Also, congrats on 300k! ❤🔥❤🔥
Thank you, I appreciate it!! :)
@@HoopsandHipHop Np man! I love these kinds of videos :)
Other ideas for Magikarp and Gyarados are Mudskippers and Lungfish, both land fish. Mudkip isn't an Axolotl, he's a Mudskipper, which is a beach fish that blows bubbles and use their fins to sloppily move about on land. Lungfish hibernate essentially when rivers dry up, and can survive on land for a while. The cool thing about Pokemon is you can stretch reality to make either fit into a role they aren't normally in. One idea for the snake thing though is a relationship with Dunsparce, like Tsuchinoko is a short, fat snake. They would look more like Gyarados and Magikarp, but would be related to Dunsparce, and maybe have stuff like glare and coil like any other snake Pokemon basically.
Magikarp and Gyarados were probably cut due to someone realizing that a land variation that looked exactly like its water counterpart (and just palette swapped) wasn't logical to getting around on terra firma. I pictured the fish walking upside-down on some very strong whiskers! XD
The pokémon red and blue dex said that magikarp was strong in a distant past, so it would work just fine as a paradox
I'm surprised that there are only 2 pokemon in this video.
I feel like making a bird version of Magikarp would work well, even though Gyarados is a flying type. Change Magikarp's fins to wings and it could look similar to flappy wings, then Gyarados could lose the water type and finally get the dragon typing it deserves and maybe having legs to be more like a Chinese dragon design
I could be way off base here but Clodsire fits here too. Fish with mud sounds, convergent evos, ground type.
This is a really cool design for a cut Pokemon
My guess with Convergent Magikarp and Gyarados is that they had a design that was good on paper but putting it in 3d probably killed the design and so they scrapped it and went with the others.
Or they've decided to save it for DLC.
@@banjo-kazooie 😮
Would have loved to see a RF for magikarp and gyarados. Another idea for a different environment (forgoing keeping original typing) could be to make them birds. Similar to how Magikarp “walks” on land, use the fins as wings. Gyarados could be some sort of dragon similar to rayquaza. Could fit pretty naturally
One could argue feebas is kind of a convergent form of magikarp
We have seen cut Pokémon from older games but I always wondered what kind the newer games had
I wanna see these convergent forms! They're so great!
I could envision a bug type Convergent to Magikarp/Gyarados similar to Whirlipede/Scolipede, which would allow Magikarp's shape to be loosely translated into a curled up pillbug, which when extended looks completely unique. The serpent shape of Gyarados lends well to a centipede/millipede body style as well.
They would definitely have been on my team if their design looked like that.
i like how the "most replayed" timestamp is just after the sponsor
Toedscool and Toedscruel were silly, but they made so much sense I would have never known that they weren't even pkanned.
I think a mudskipper inspired design would rlly work since mudskippers can’t really survive in water and are only rlly habitable in most muddy ground where it burrows in the dirt
A single Evo Mon that looks like gyarados would work as a water Mon as something that evolved to look like gyarados for camouflage, otherwise I think having them in the desert area as a kind of sand swimmer would've worked
for the Magikarp, I would make it look like a flatfish (like stunfisk but more like it's real life counterpart). I think part of what make these convergent Pokémon a thing is that at first glance they look like a regnal variant but you can tell they're not if you look a little closer (wiglit having a neck and toedscoll having legs), so you might also want to edit the deign of your Gyarados (or at least it's pose)
I like how you got just a few random pot 🍃 laying around
They are both very clever. I would like to see a convergence Pokémon for Rapidash or Mudsdale, turned into sea horses.
I imagine they were sitting around at a table trying to think of ideas for a convergent form for Magikarp and Gyarados when some random guy pops out “hey what if we made tentacool into a toadstool and called it toadscool” and then everyone cheered
You make great videos I wish to see more videos talking about the animal connections to different Pokémon as a series
I totally had an idea about a Grass Ground Milotic a couple of years ago! Love how this video is so close
I'm sure the fandom would have a field day having a long, thin, brown pokemon that occasionally drops in the water named 'number two'
These still could happen in a DLC.
"Without further ado, let's get into it!"
Nice design for both of them. Just wanted to sayx, when I first saw the name for Mimikarp, my thoughts were by pericarp, more concrete by endocarp, (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_anatomy#Pericarp_layers) which could also fit, considering the way you described its behaviour…
It would've been really cool to see something like this in the games, but I understand completely that it might've been scrapped due to how hard it was to make them convergents. Nice designs though!
Incredible designs!! Woulda loved to see them!! 🤩🤩
Magikarp -> flying fish
Gyarados -> flying dragon (Eastern/lung dragon)
I love your designs, finding these in the swamp and chasing them down would have been awesome!
I'd have loved to see a variant of magikarp (now solid brow and dripping in mud) trying to use its fins as useless arms, dragging its body around and just being a pure ground type that still only knows splash because it just splashes about in the muk. When it evolves, Gyarados actually grows arms! Like an ancient Chinese dragon Gyarados is based on, long powerful arms but still retaining the snake body and perhaps growing a beard and remaining pure ground type just to be the opposite of its once flying type.
Can't wait for more videos!
I like what we got but if we were to get convergent magikarp and gyarados i think either basing it on a lung fish (so you can put it on land) or basing it on Cuelebre, a spanish snakelike dragon, (with small wings) and having magikarp be based on a snakefish and then having it be a dragon type evolving into dragon poison or dragon fairy type (it keeps treasure and fairys prisoner with magic)
I think this fits as they are both serpent like creatures that are based on draconic myth
I’m sure Magikarp and Gyrados would have been Bug type, with Magikarp being a larva-esque Pokémon
I mean its kinda easy. In the past, these two pokemon were found in a lake/sea bed that after a time became more and more surrounded by land AKA mountains started to form as the water was being drained like how you can find fossils of sea animals in deserts & mountains that would be too far from the sea.
The Magikarp and Gyarados had to adapt to the land around them more. Gyarados was already part flying so it could handle being on land but less water forced it to develop lungs and Magikarp had to create something like a breathing sack like mudskippers do.
So a Water/Ground and Ground/Flying type could work for them
Numerodos is like an air-tight S-tier name. Nice work!!
Admittedly I expected more than one line in the video, but I really like what you did with the convergent line for Magikarp and Gyarados. Gyarados is definitely the better of the two because it has more of a logical basis behind it (which is to be expected), but overall there’s a lot of creativity in the design and names. Bravo.
Just a warning for anyone just now watching, it's a 12:43 minute video about Magikarp and Gyarados, no other cut Pokemon are discussed.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I think it'd be really sick if one day someone made a pokemon fangame that introduced all the cut pokemon
In my fan region, I’m making a regional magikarp/gyrados that’s a sandworm. Could’ve used that and made Magikarp be more elongated but still have the fins and whiskers.
I feel like a flying/dragon would have fit the two better. Gyarados was done dirty by not being a dragon type...
I definitely understand why they scrapped it. Still a shame but I did think of this idea of a Magikarp convergent line that’d go from one snake to another. Similar to how you thought of a convergent based off snakes.
* The Magikarp convergent would be based of a tsuchinoko. Perhaps design wise they could turn the face on the side and have an odd growth to have it’d still resemble a Magikarp.
* The Gyarados variant could be based off an Anaconda (Possibly be called Gyaraboa)
I could see these guys coming in the dlc. Who knows, maybe they'll even give the convergent Magikarp the code name "OkaMenokurage" or something as a joke! Maybe even some more convergent mons like "Truleewoodo" who's an actual tree unlike sudowoodo, and a convergent Krabby based on Carcinization!
We definitely do need another magikarp species line
It would've been a great idea, and I think this was a good attempt in designing a covergent species of the Magikarp line.
Been looking forward to this all day @work! Lets go! 😁😁
I do think these guys are awesome, but I’m also happy we got Toedscool since it’s so derpy with its run and I love it.
I still feel so betrayed that Iona's Magnemite hairpieces weren't regional variants. 😂
“Visible frustration”
I like Toedscool and Toedscruel. The way they run is funny.
You could've just had a bird that looks like a magikarp in the sky's. And a gyarados based off of the quetzalcoatl. Water digglett and land tentacool doesn't have to be the limit.
My first thought when I found out the internal name was referring to gyarados I pictured them keeping the goofy legs and ending up with a trogdor gyarados
As funny as the image of a bouncing egg karp is, Toedscool’s run animation is still my favorite new thing.
really i dont think magikarp and gyarados' iconicity has anything to do with it because jigglypuff got a paradox form and its just as well known
I agree 💯. I checked Oka possible meanings since the names are Okakingu and Okagyarados which it seems it literally means Land/Shore Magikarp and Land/Shore Gyarados.
Though my idea for them is maybe give Magikarp a Mudskipper (I know mudskip exist but it's just my crazy idea) looking body
While give Gyarados a more Eastern Dragon looking form (including the 4 legs).
I feel like the solution on how to adapt them outside water is pretty easy - make them flying type. I know Gyarados is already flying type but if anything maybe it's a trait both forms retained from their common ancestry. The fins become wings, the scales become feathers. Gyarados ends up looking more like Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent God of the Aztecs.
If they have a common ancestor, wouldn't be more similar to cetoddle and wailmer? It wouldn't be a convergent evolution any more
They wouldnt have common ancestors thats the entire point of them being convergent species they’re not related at all
This is an interesting video however a common mistake I see is that people will find code with different names etc and then assume that it must have gotten super far into development before being scrapped which just isn't really true. What happens some times is that things like pokemon are made and pretty quickly heavily integrated into the game but without models or really any meaningful info, for all of that to be added way later down the line, and then after that, changing the code name could potentially take quite a while and be practically useless aside from helping the devs remember what its name was. So no, it doesn't mean it was a super fleshed out concept.
Also I'm not really following your whole 'it's too hard to change" because you said diglett was changed into wiglett by moving it to the water which would be a valid argument but the pokemon has literally nothing about it that visibly says "water type" and it doesn't even go in the water it goes on the beach. You said it would be hard to make a fish move on land right after showing a jellyfish moving on land. And also you assume that they would make it on land, they could easily make it go into the sky, magicarp has semi-wing looking things and apart from a few rare instances (like arceus) we don't really get to see gyarados's flying abilities much. Or they could make it ghost type and just float like other pkmn.
I really don't wanna be a debby downer and so negative but I'm not really understanding any parts to this video other than the theory that they're too sacred.
Just a thought. Mimikarp could've had stubby legs that converged with magikarps lower fin that disappear/shrink upon evolution to show what your saying with the snake look-alike concept.
Bro the fact he hyped this up and it's literally just two pokemon
My guess on not-Magikarp and not-Gyarados is that they would have been electric and then electric/ice.
Reasoning:
Diglett/Dugtrio: ground
Wiglett/Wugtrio: water
Water -> Ground
Tentacool/Tentacruel: water/poison
Toedscool/Toedscruel: grass/ground
Grass -> water
Ground -> poison
The conversion forms always have (up to this point) the perfect type matchup against the original.
Making Not-Magikarp electric and Not-Gyarados electric/ice makes sense due to:
electric -> water
Ice -> flying
Additionally, it makes sense that these two were planned originally, since we have both Diglett and Wiglett and their evolutions in the game, but we only have Toedscool and Toedscruel, without Tentacool and Tentacruel being in Paldea.
Magikarp and Gyarados however, ARE in Paldea, which makes sense in the counterpart aspect of conversion Pokèmon.
I think magicarp would be good as like a mudskipper pokemon, and evolve into a big salamander looking thing. But I do love the gyrados you made - snakes are my favorite
I think the weird magikarp statue from legends was probably a hint to the desogm
I think Magikarp could work if you base it off of the Phylliroe, a type of sea slug that has developed an extremely similar body plan to fish, and then maybe the Gyarados could become a kraken/mimic octopus hybrid. They're both aquatic, but this family of slugs is a really cool example of convergent evolution so I think it'd still work in the end
When I saw the thumbnail I thought it was the potato thing from pvz
Def love the take on the cut magikarp. It would be cool to make a form that was ocean floor and spooky as heck
another theory is that Magikarp could very well be saved for a DLC content, either as convergent or even a Paradox considering Magikarp's lore in the dex.
I heard a rumor that we'll be able to buy rods for fishing at Delibird Presents in the DLC. Maybe the convergent magikarp line will still be living in the water :)
I feel like magikarp should be walking with his whiskers the way that toadstool is walking with his tentacles
We need mote ideas for these convergent Pokémon. Good job with Mimikarp!
ok mimikarp hopping is also quite clever because the whole HOP/SPLASH translaation issue
The way he talks reminds me of when I’m trying to reach a word count on my school essays
Numerados actually also means "Numbered" and it actually makes much more sense than what we got.
3:38 It's not last second, there were leaks and rumors long before release about a tentacool and a few months before release a mushroom Tentacool
Ok those boxes Are tempting but I can't afford it at the moment.
Just imagine seeing that gyarados jump at you from trees where toedscruel spawns
gyarados as a snake isn't a bad idea
The pear Fanta was sooooo good... so were the kitkats
I really enjoyed both of them!!