Josh Pate On Lane Kiffin Audio Leak - Kicking Player Off Team (Late Kick Cut)
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- čas přidán 9. 11. 2023
- Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss are in the thick of the SEC West race as they head into UGA this weekend, but on Late Kick Live Ep 451 Josh Pate responded to leaked audio Thursday that captured the moment Lane Kiffin kicked a player off the team for not showing up for 2 weeks. What is the proper way to handle things as the head coach of a major College Football program? Is the player in the wrong to disappear for an extended period even when using mental health as the reason? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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As an employee all I hear is that the kid had what equates to "No call, No show" 14 times. That gets you fired No matter your excuse
On god I feel like the kid try to quit or transfer then he was like nvm 😂
And that's really the bottom line. You know if anybody would have sympathy for this kid it's me because I had mental health issues in college. I had to take a semester off because shit got real, but I learned a hard lesson that just because I had a good reason for the things that I did or not doing things I was supposed to do I still have to deal with the consequences. And that's just life. I don't think Layne is some evil monster that if you come to him and say you're struggling he's going to immediately kick you off the team. But after two weeks ppl gonna assume you just quit.
@zippy3984he should be berated. He failed his teammates and his coach.
@zippy3984look up ‘berate’. That’s not what happened.
@zippy3984 it's still wild to me how accommodating this younger generation demands the world to be.
Kid lost his starting spot and started becoming a bad teammate. Lane holds him accountable and he claims mental health.
How do you know he wasn't dealing with something mentally?
Lol he never was a starter he was trash as soon as he arrived on campus
@apprentessjgooden2263 you think if he was starting he would be having mental health problems?
@@willl7780Bingo.
That's why "mental health" excuses are bs! Anything can be because of mental health, you can't prove I'm lying, so I could use that excuse when I don't feel like doing something... If it can be used as a credible excuse, then it must be provable! Fuck all these mental health screaming, fragile fucking children! Grow up, the real world is hard, unfair, and will eat you alive if you are soft and cry when ya don't get your way!!
As a Bama fan, I have great respect for Lane. After the leaked audio, I have even more.
Your respect won’t stop him from getting sued
@popsmcgee4153 didn't say it would. Also, I don't care if he does get sued. Lane was 100% in the right and hopefully this just gets dismissed. If not, then score one for the for the guy who abandoned the team and got paid for it.
Why does this increase your respect for him? I don’t know why you would have any for him to begin with since he’s a jerk.
@@AndreKing4 why will he get sued? I understand that he was having a mental issue, but he still has responsibilities! He’s on a full athletic scholarship. His coach tried to reach him for 2 weeks to check in on him. He was reacting to being ghosted by one of his players. We all have responsibilities that don’t stop bc we’re going through something. Football brings money in to the school, he needs dependable players. Communication is an adult responsibility.
Lane did a good job of not giving the kid the ammunition he wanted to win a lawsuit.
You can’t just decide to come when you want on a team. Take your mental health seriously and quit the team.
Guarentee if a pro athlete does that, they're getting kicked off the team too.
@robertpalatsky5017 Lane Johnson missed three games for the Eagles stating anxiety. And Clavin Ridley took multiple weeks off when he was needing a mental health break. They're both still playing, and starting for their teams.
@@TheAdmiralRyan yes, but did he ignore his head coach for 3 weeks?
@@TheAdmiralRyan and the fact he was prepared to secretly record him tells me he set those up
Him recording the meeting tells me all I need to know. He knew it would NOT go well and he had every intention of suing regardless.
Respect for Lane just skyrocketed
Right as someone who has been through similar shit you don’t just ignore him for weeks, keep him in the loop. You don’t even have to do it face to face, just give him a call tell him you’re not ready and I bet this would’ve played out completely differently
Why?
If anything Lane Kiffin did this young man a favor & taught him a valuable lesson about life. You don’t get to walk out on obligations in the adult world without consequences. Better for him to learn that now & not later when the consequences are more severe.
He learned that being a victim supersedes all obligations. Especially against those that are viewed as the privileged.
@@privacyonline1052 Privileged are those who are viewed as more successful than those claiming to be a victim.
@@privacyonline1052 95% of the population has no problem with it.
What the fuck, u have no clue this man's situations
this makes no sense.@@privacyonline1052
As someone who struggles with mental health after the military thank you. I have had to stay in touch with my bosses when I have had episodes and that’s all it takes to get support. There are people out there that really need help
Exactly, my sister has depression and anxiety. She talks to a counselor on a regular basis and is always in touch with her boss. Most of the bosses she had were accommodating as long as she COMMUNICATED with them and keep them in the loop. You can't expect that if you go AWOL for two weeks with no explanation.
I hope you get all the help you need. But when someone abuses it, they need to be called out.
Why I've talked friends and family out of joining the military. One of them didn't take my advice and regretted it. No one should ever enlist
Get in Lane! You just earned mad respect from all over this nation.
Given the current mental state of kids his age these days, I see this happening to other coaches in the future.
Exactly! the reports are coming out that the cvd thing did lots of damage to young people especially, but to lots of people.
@@inconnu4961 Yes.
Those Kiffin posters behind the crew on college gameday day in Athens tomorrow will be legendary
I’ll pick the phrase “what world do you live in?” As the phrase most commonly used on the posters.
Makes me respect Lane even more.
I am a combat-injured vet with physical and metal injuries!! I am so tired of people using mental health as a shield! I want to conquer it NOT let it define me!!
Thank you so much for your service. God bless you. 🇺🇸
Thank you for your service. But dealing with it and being a pu$$y about it is two different things and I have a feeling your not a pu$$y.
If this student has mental health issues, then he cannot handle the stress of a football career and Kiffin did him a huge favor by allowing him to find a less stressful career choice.
As a Tenn fan, I gained a little respect for Lane this week
I’ll gain even more respect if he beats Georgia too 😂
As a Bama fan I have respect for kiffen. Always pulling for him but damit I hate it but not Saturday. Roll tide.
As a South Carolina fan I still have ZERO respect for Kiffin...and for Tennessee too ;)
@@saintsataniko21163-6 sucks....don't it?
@saintsataniko2116 as a South Carolina fan you probably don't have respect for anyone... 😂 Go Vols
Pate just always uses common sense! I love it. Him and Pickell both. They are the absolute best at what they do.
Absolutely
It's this type of person that makes things hard for people that have this problem
This is where Josh Pate impresses the hell out of me. Not only for calling out this behavior, but while doing so and maintaining support for actual mental health victims.
Meat rider
No regard for mental health try’s to bullshit like he gives af then shits on anyone with mental health problems
Without even trying to discredit someone's mental health struggles, showing up to meet and have a conversation with your head coach shouldn't be something you have to 'be ready' for. That's bare minimum stuff. As someone who played division 1 college soccer, where there's a limited amount of scholarships that have to be distributed throughout the entire roster, seeing someone try to take advantage of a situation like this really pisses me off. I started basically as a walk-on who was viewed as 'good practice depth' (actual term my coaches used) and worked my ASS off to eventually become a 2x all conference team player and EARN the scholarship money i was able to get later on. It really angers me knowing this kid doesn't even have to show up or do anything and still have his scholarship..... the fact he had the nerve to call kiffin disrespectful... what's disrespectful is him walking around campus having everything he has paid for when he doesn't contribute to anything
Naw that millionaire coach has to go find his player. His parents Intrust lane K with their child to be treated like that.
I remember a story about a Coach Bryant recruiting trip. Kid's dad told Bryant "Hope you can make a man of him". In a nutshell Bryant told the dad that he recruited men and making a man out of the kid was not his job but the father's job. The trip ended there.
On a side note. In my 30 years on the job, I've only once got my ass chewed for anything. My coworkers always thought I was nuts but anytime things went sour, before the day was out I made a trip to my boss's office to fill him in. Always ahead of the curve, and always had a solution. It paid dividends.
@@piedpiper8355 it’s 2023 that dudes dead
@@pac-man615 yeah and the world is full of pussies now. So what's your point?
You understand that the coach shouldn't HAVE to do that though right? He has a program to run with 124 other guys on the roster showing up every day like they agreed to. Why should the coach have to run around looking for a guy who won't even talk to him? Why should the player get all the benefits of being on the team without holding up his end of the deal?
Man I've struggled with my mental health before but that doesn't excuse you from just disappearing from your duties. Welcome to the real world kid. Bravo Lane.
Great take. I wasn't expecting this at all.
Thank you Josh for using your platform to expose this young man as you mentioned, nobody is here to diagnose him one way or the other, but as a man who suffered quite greatly from post-traumatic stress from combat and I didn't even acknowledge it for about a half a decade, it's honestly offensive when somebody hides behind it like you I wish this kid the best truly but what he approached this is just flat out not okay
Thank you for your service and your integrity, sir!
@@kwsanders 🙏 thank you for the kind words
@Edward_USMC13
Thank you for your service. This weekend honors all our service men and women everywhere, and it’s the Marine Corps birthday. I can understand your having combat stress. My soulmate carried his through his whole life, from ‘Nam to Iraq. I miss him every day. God bless you, and thank you again for your service.
Ooh Rah, Devil Dog
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@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 🙏thank you so much for the kind words and we both know your soul mate is still keeping watch over you! And many thanks for his service. My landlord is a Vietnam vet who flew cobras during Nam and makes me feel like a chump considering he was wounded 5 times in combat and the old man has more pep and energy at 72 than I do! 😂God bless. Cheers!
This was a perfect lesson for this kid to learn. You don't make your own rules in life...at least and keep your job
You do if you are valuable enough or have enough privileges. Look at all the NFL players that have had issues with the law, and most of them have retained their jobs IN the NFL if not at the team they were playing for when it happened. if you are talented enough, someone will forgive you and give you a chance. These kids see/hear it and learn the lesson. 'We athletes are special.' thats the take away from how most of us adults treat them.
Change ur name to great take pate. Ppl are so soft. He thought lane would fly off the rails but he didn't
I heard this awhile back. My 1st thought was the beginning and rest of the conversation before what we have, has not been heard either. Not that it is needed, because when players start to make the rules, a program is done. At minimum you respond when you are contacted by your employers, or coaches of the university who is providing you with something the majority of high school players dream of, elite coaching and training, practicing against the best, paid degree, food, housing, stipends, NIL, etc. Yeah, you BETTER respond ASAP. And yeah, this is all about getting a SETTLEMENT.
Deployed 3 times Iraq/Afghan dealt with ptsd and depression my last year in. I still had to do my job and deploy. Had therapy during and after serving, life still goes on and you must take care of responsibilities
Thank you for your service, and God bless you. 🇺🇸
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 Thank you.
What bugs me most is the *explicit judgement* & vilification of Coach Kiffin by accredited accounts immediately after hearing this short clip with little exposition or thought.
The judgement & assumptions made en masse may help explain why so many more people are afraid to speak, act, or even show up like in this case for fear of being absolutely bombarded with hate & anger, *all while pointing the finger at someone else.* It feels like more often we'd rather make someone the bad guy rather than try to *understand* anyone outright.
Coaches gotta coach, & I've lost jobs for not showing up due to atrocious mental health. But coaches saved me, so to speak. Habits, accountability & putting my name on it were some of the most crucial things to getting out of not showing up (& it still sometimes happens). Leaders like Josh Pate & Lane Kiffin are more powerful than ever & I'm thankful their voices are more easy to find than ever before. 💯
What needs to be done is to find out what this young man did during his time away. Where did he go? Did he go to classes? Or did he just go into his room and play video games on his Xbox the whole time? What did this young man do to address his mental health? He either made it worse by his actions or he addressed the issue and tried to "work" on it? Did he go to a counselor/psychologist during this time to seek help? What did he do?
I was shocked & pleasantly surprised by the amount of support Lane got. I was expecting him to get a ton of heat just because so many people hate him.
Na. Most ball fans are conservative.
I'm not a Lane fan but love OLE MISS. ON THIS I STAND WITH LANE
Lane stumbled in the past. On this one he is spot on. Good call Coach.
No, these boys are being paid now. They are employees. They have to act like employees and show up for work.
This actually makes me respect lane kiffin he told him the facts period you can’t not show up for 2 weeks and expect what to happen? This guy is on a scholarship which have requirements to maintain period.
Michigan doing everything to get out of the spotlight 😂🤣
Leaking stories as misdirection to avoid punishment 😅
Love this take like always from JP!
Josh you nailed it and stood behind your comments/assessment. Young ones have no clue how the real world works....
As a person who deals with severe depression if I let people down like that I’d blame myself. I’d probably be a lot happier if I blamed everyone else for my issues.
yep i have severe depression too. It sucks, but if I didn't show up for work for 2 weeks I'd be fairly fired.
Give it ALL to Christ and try nofap.
All the kid had to do was notify the team that he was having personal health issues that are being dealt with away from the teambbut the kid disappeared for weeks without telling anyone.
@@roris5882Thats a sign of Avoidant Personality Disorder and is a telltale sign amongst mean! Men have a hard time in disappointing people in who they respect, so they tend to avoid those type of confrontations when they know they have disappointed someone. because men have a high burden of responsibility, and often we men cant say NO, so withdrawing is a common tactic to bring the stress to a manageable level. Men also have a hard time asking for help, because we KNOW asking for help shows WEAKNESS (socially) and there will often be social repercussions for looking weak in society. Weak men are not respected, so NO one wants to be seen as weak! Which compounds our problems! It leads to more and more disengagement.
@@cavemanmeat8321 will that bring my mom and baby back?
This video made me love your channel 10x more.
I'm a Vols fan and not a fan of what Kiffin did to us. But I'm with him 100% on this.
You right Josh! It’s a sad situation… mental health or not you can’t “ghost” responsibility. Actually, the program can assist if given a chance. He didn’t allow the organization the opportunity to help. 😢
Perfect take on this situation ... more will come around the country similar to this, but you nailed it. NOICE!
A big shoutout to all our service men and women everywhere. Thank you so much for your service. Happy Birthday USMC, and God bless everyone.
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Lane is a man! ...Lane was 100% in the right.
I stand with Coach Kiffin 110% on this!!! Good job Coach!!!
This is why I listen to Josh, he is spot on !
This is why Josh is the man!!
Yeah I salute him for speaking and saying what kiffin can't!!
I encountered a similar situation a couple of years ago when a team member no-showed us for weeks (he reached out to me once for assistance, I replied and got no response) and the team member in question got fired. If I was going to be away for multiple days at a time, I would make it a point to tell someone what is going on and provide a daily update. If he did this in the military (Navy vet here), he would be confined to the ship/base for a period of time as determined by his CO or get sent to court martial. Some companies consider that if you were gone for three days with no explanation, then you effectively quit your job.
No he wouldn't, as soon as he mentioned depression or mental health, they would have temporarily assigned him to the shore Medical ward. Happened to me, CVN 65 Enterprise.
God of Moses "The langauge".... Josh I used to drive a truck, I can take it. 😂
Never comment bfor BUT U NAILED IT!!!
Bless Lane's heart
Great job 👏
See ya, toxic people need to be weeded out.
I wouldn't touch this player after doing that.
Yeah - that would be a lot better than cussing the kid out. Let me go, but do it with love and compassion, cuz if everyone piling on is wrong, it could be the end of someone’s life and all the hot takes in the world don’t justify the loss of a young man’s life.
Well said. Thanks for being real.
What coach wouldn't kick off a player who didn't show up for weeks and ignoring coach texts?
One would think that ones head coach would've showed very serious concern and gone to the kid. Maybe that's just me...
@@chrisburd9751 I totally agree. Send someone to check up on them. if he was having issues, like the kid claimed, there would be plenty of other signs, such as skipping classes. Not socializing as much as before. One has to have a base line on the persons behavior first, then you see a regression to an almost child like state at times.
@@chrisburd9751why would he do that? The kid clearly was basically just disgruntled and was refusing to communicate, beyond basically saying he didn’t want to communicate. They had no reason to think he was in danger or anything, so far as we know. Why on earth would he go hunt him down? Head coaches at major programs aren’t exactly rolling around in spare time as it is. A lot of these young people are using mental health as an excuse to be unaccountable and emotionally incontinent. That’s just obvious.
@@wubuck79 that's his job. as the head coach he should be aware of what's going on with each of his players. clearly something was wrong there.
@@chrisburd9751 yeah something was wrong, alright: the guy skipped out and refused to even explain. His job is to kick him off the team for being completely unaccountable to his teammates and coaches. And he did it. It’s not like the guy told them he was gonna end his own life or something and they just ignored him. He just bailed and is using mental health as an excuse, like so many young people are unfortunately being conditioned to do. If you ever sit in on the treatment and therapy of a person with severe mental illness, you’ll see that accountability is a big part of it. Especially in group settings, which a team is.
Trash will be trash. As an LSU fan, this makes me a huge fan of Lane Kiffin.
"Sketch as ALL get out!" [PERFECTLY SAID] 💥
Great take. Perfect response. Well said.
It’s called a Gen-Z problem. They think that you’re on their time, and if the task requires more effort than they are willing to give, they quit, don’t show up, or go cry about it!
My new favorite coach!
Listening to this, I wonder about the details behind how Kirby handled Arik Gilbert in his 1st year at UGA.
That my friend is right on...nice way of getting the true meaning across without
Judgment..or prejudice...dude used the system to his advantage..coach didn't bite the bait....great commentary josh..!!!
First time listener and boy, I like you already! Thank you for your honest opinion on this crazy circus show. You made this much more understandable. Hotty Toddy!!
Accountabillity is a bad word in 2023
Spot. On.
Thanks, JP.
Love it!
Josh Fukin Pate. Respect!
I have to, and have, informed my employers about my mental health. I can't NOT show up to work or not explain, even in my bipolar lows. I can’t tell my boss I'm not ready to talk. My boss is not entitled to give me time to be ready. This young adult would do well to learn that now before the real world comes for him.
Do you take FMLA when you have your moments? FMLA does quite a bit to help us who struggle with things. Employers are more patient now (depending on the industry) if one has a documented history of it. of course employers need to have a standard to hold people by or everyone would do that, but it is now being seen like other midical issues, and employers can NOT willy-nilly fire people because of their medical issue.(without opening themselves up to issues with a lawsuit or government complaints)
@@inconnu4961 , I have to call my employer and my FMLA advocate and let them know of my episode. I can’t simply not show up or not communicate it. And if these steps are not taken by me, my employer can willy-nilly fire me. It takes monumental effort on my part, but I do it. And then I ignore everyone and everything else in life.
There are requirements on both sides to protect both employees and employers. This is why a player who has signed papers to play for a team can’t just say he's not ready to talk, ghost his responsibilities, and expect to keep his roster spot. If he couldn't talk, his doctor, therapist, or specialist should have spoken for him in written form as mine did.
When my employer was informed, he referred me to both FMLA and short-term disability.
Perfect take on this.
People who are upset at Kiffin for cursing at the player cant be up in arms about PAYING the players then just say they are just kids. He had no problem taking the money and taking the free ride to a SEC School. He doesnt have to be great or anything, Kiffin is literally asking for the BARE MINIMUM out of this young man. Just show up to practice and meetings. Hell, im a father of a 8 year old boy and would never let him quit or take a "break" because its hard for 2 weeks, let alone a 21yr old. You make a commitment, you keep it. Especially when they are also getting paid. Some of these people just need to grow up.
This was a set up. This kid wants to finish w a scholarship without doing jack sh*t.
Mad respect for Lane here
Thank the Lord you have taken the time to consider this in the proper nuanced fashion. These were my thoughts immediately when I heard the clip.
Had this gone to court without this audio is when our wonderful system of law more than likely would take the lawsuit and somehow twist reality around and awarded a big settlement and chastised the University. I am not a fan of Lane Kiffen nor the University, but this entire issue should be over.
Most Ole Miss fans cant tell you what the mascot is. Because we basically dont have one. Offically, its a black bear. Unofficially, its a landshark.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s the same one as when Archie was there, period!
Absolutely agree, Josh! Lane Kiffin just earned my respect.
Lane is completely right! No one feels like they have to follow the rules anymore-heck, there ARE no rules ! This is the norm in every aspect of life now.
Very nice analysis of the issue. This an example of a person that wants to be treated like an adult that does not want to act like an adult. Hard lesson to learn, but a good one to learn early in life.
The fact he chose not to transfer (an indication of dedication to the team), and then didn’t show up for weeks, ONLY TO RECORD Kiffin chewing his ass and kicking him off the team. Seems like a larger plot than what it’s likely to be
Kudos to Lane on handling the situation well
I agree with what he said but I can’t say he handled it well. I feel like the way he handled it might hurt with his recruiting
@@LowlightTonightI doubt it
@@LowlightTonightno I agree. We don’t know what he was going through mentally. Still, should’ve communicated that better to the coach
@@jtsnow4331 I feel like he wouldn’t have taken this type of tone if that were his star QB or that judkins kid he has at runningback
I’m a Mississippi State guy and I respect Kiff for this.
You said all that needed said sir. Agree.
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Good for Lane!
good for lane kiffin! see y’all saturday! go dawgs!
Georgia defense will be a bit much for Ole Miss. I'm thinking a 35-24 game with Georgia on top. I'm hoping for an injury free good showing!
I almost had my spot pulled for going to the 7:00 am weight group instead of the 6:00 am weight group 3 times in a semester much less taking a 2 week vacation😂
To be fair…Ole Miss has a hard time knowing what it’s mascot is. Rebel? Land shark? Black bear?
Anyone who’s ever been in the military will tell you that’s the nicest ass chewing they’ve ever heard
You nailed it Josh! This guy was just posturing for money. He sure wasn't getting any from football. I'd have been frustrated with this guy too!
Wow...my respect for this man just increased 10x. In the past I've accused him of being anti-Kiffin, anti-Ole Miss, but Josh just revealed he's willing to call a spade a spade and call BS on BS. Man I needed that.
Good for Lane !!!!
That was actually kind of soft my coach would have laid into you for about 20 or 30 minutes before telling you to get out Kiffin took it easy on him
Lane earns a gold star. So does Pate. Well done.
When thousands of kids go through Lane Kiffins teams, year over year, and he doesn’t get sued, you know the problem is with the player.
9:36 "couldn't tell you the mascot of the school..." well that's a fair challenge with Ole Miss
Probably the closest thing to a 'fatherly conversation' that kid has heard in his life.
I’m a LSU fan so before I heard the audio, I was ready to shit on Lane Kiffin. After hearing the audio I’m shocked Lane Kiffin didn’t say worst things
I’m not a lane kiffin fan and am a pro mental health person but in this particular case this sounds like a disgruntled player upset he got kicked off the team it seems lane kiffin went out of his way to help him and the kid couldn’t get his act together
Agreed. The action is fine and expected. The manner, doesn't matter from a legal perspective. People can judge that part, thō
I would have dismissed the player from the meeting, and formally let him go, in writing, by registered private courier that coveres all bases of official delivery and documentation.
Wishing the player well. Thanking him for choosing 'Ole Miss. Nothing more nor less.
Take the money out of college football. There are more lawsuits coming.
I’m not an Ole Miss fan but I am a fan of Lane Kiffin. I’m proud of his maturity in handling the situation. Like him or hate him, he’s good for college football.
I can tell you that every coach in America talks this way .....
Go Dawgs! I respect how Kiffin confronted this. Our whole country needs mental health treatment.
These players have been given everything they want. Pay, unlimited transfer ability, get to sit out games if they want to, free school, free meals, free bed. Everything. And yet they’re still going to find an excuse to be soft and not go work. And record a coach without his knowledge. Wtf?? So sick of this soft azz culture of athletes we now have.
Jason Whitlick talked about this story weeks ago. Surprised it took this long to circulate.