I just finished his new book "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven". It was one of the most profound books I have ever read. I highly highly recommend it.
I read it in August 2020 when I was recovering from suicidal depression through anxiety and stress and questioning the point of absolutely everything. This book fundamentally shifted my world view.
It's so rare to find an intellectual and a theorist who has the courage to experiment with reality, to walk the talk, to challenge the theoretical through direct, courageous journeying. I resonate with Chris on his journey, and recognize so many truths. Mostly, from what life has shown me, psychedelics are not used as entheogens - tools to have the experience of the divine - and so much respect for taking the time to develop the ability to recall and digest the experience that cannot be put into words. I found that particularly impossible. I love the fact that equal weight is given to the heart and the head. Beautiful and surprising interview. Thank you Chris and Iain. Much respect. Keep shining.
Wonderful discussion. Around two years ago I had the most life changing experience with LSD. I've thought about it almost on a daily basis ever since. It feels almost like, with hindsight, I had opened a door into a timeless place of learning and infinite love. For what seemed like seconds in our earth time, my consciousness was taken to a distant galaxy, where I was left to stare at a moon like planet for centuries, alone and lonely. I turned my head to the right and I was once more back in this earthly realm. It's so difficult to place into words that profound feeling of protracted time, and its subsequent effect on my being. I've tried to describe a small part of the 12 hour or so experience. To say it was without doubt one of the single most important days of my life, would be an understatement.
When you said I turned my head back to the right and it changed I'm reminded of Swedenborg. Swedenborg used to see one state then he'll turn to the right and it'll change. Very trippy reading.
I took LSD every weekend for 4 weeks in a row back in 1971 with the serious intention of wanting to know what ‘IT’ is all about. It was life changing. Eye opening.
Thank you so much for this delicious message of discovering that "when life uses you in that delicious way, when that cross-fertilization takes place, it is the sweetest feeling to me." "We are dissolved into the crystalline nature of God." It makes me think that we are the facets of a diamond reflecting and shining our unique light into the darkness. The very highest and best to us all. Wow! Great interview.
Hello I hope you're safe over there? I hope this year brings happiness prosperity, love and peace all over the world. I would love us to be good friends in honesty and in trust so as time goes on it will bring something great for us in the future, hope you don't mind? I'm Engineer Graham Bolt from Nashville Tennessee, where are you from
I can't wait for his new book. I hope he doesn't distill all his experiences into major themes. I like to hear the raw experiences of the beings he met and what else he turned into! What was his kundalini awakening like? Was the energy overwhelming even scary at times? If Bhagavad Gita is called The Song of God what song was he singing? ... I can't stop loving you !!! OM KALI MA!
Your interview with Chris Bache is probably the most fascinating interview I’ve heard in my life. Much gratitude, please have him back for more. Now with you doing interviews not being in person, could you do more without waiting for people to be able to get to your studio?
Beautiful interview Chris and Ian, a lot of recognition from my path with holotropic breathwork. That went on to the path of Dzogchen (which has the body of light as its ultimate goal) and Lucid dreaming as an important preliminary stage. Chris try to have a talk to Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche now that he is still alive. Thanks
Michiel Slegten have you ever thought of trying holotropic breathwork while on psychedelics? It can take you incredibly far even with low doses just to enhance the breathwork. I highly recommend it to anyone into breathwork who is able to use psychedelics safely.
I am a very strong believer in afterlife. Many years ago I had a very close friend. Who has now passed away.back in 2001 on the last day I visited my friend. When I’m not on his door he invited me in and he told me he had something to tell me. He asked me to sit down he took my hand and told me I must listen and I must pass these words on to everyone.As he held my hand he was crying with joy. He told me that he was woken up in the night by this bright light .and this figure walked out of the bright light . And he told me that Jesus that you see on the cross does not look anything like he does on the cross.but there is a God. He passed away the next day.?
This Interview should have 14million views !!! 20years from now it will. Our Extraterrestrial Counterparts will be among us by then; and They are indeed very interested in this work. Shamanism is becoming Very Popular among our Extraterrestrial Friends out there as we speak.
This process of opening and closing, the 'spandha' of universe propels form to higher expressions of the Dharmakaya. Carlos Castaneda wrote about the process of recollection. All of us get this ah ha moments when a memory of experience awakens and we think 'Ah so, that what it meant'. Years later we may recollect the same experience and yet another layer of meaning is unpealed revealing another dimension of understanding.
Since childhood one question has kept bubbling up in my mind: the bodhisattva vow is to work for the enlightenment of all forms of the divine from humans to the tiniest of flora, fauna and funga. So what would the relationship between all the awakened forms of biota be like?
this guys book "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven". IS GREAT!!!!! reality just goes on infinitely forever in all directions it seems
Wow a lot of growth in one lifetime! Who says drugs aren't good for you in the right setting. He accomplished what many spend many, many lifetimes trying to achieve He didn't speak of love I wonder what he discovered about that?
It's a shame mdma (ecstacy) is so hard to get hold of-certainly in it's pure form, not cut with some poisson or other-because frankly, on the occasion I have had it, it has been the most expansive possitive experience I ever had.
The ego is like the mythical dragon. If you attack it, or feed it (with attention or psychedelic drugs) it will multiply or change it's appearances. Then you are still lost in it, and even more, no matter how special it feels. Transcending is about learning to ignore the ego and reside in the stillness of the self. There is no shortcut via the ego, not even one that takes 20 years and seems scientific or methodic. That's all mind. Enlightenment is not for the ego, it's from the ego. Just meditate and experience the stillness you are.
What is strange is his experience was into a deeper self, inner trip. Mine was very different and opposite in that I was outside myself, seeing "me" as I truly am:) Very therapeutic.
There's only one problem... you didn't actually understand REALITY -- you only saw/experienced the inner workings of the metaphysical machine called "Mind"
What is that around Christopher's neck? On the "Adventures Through The Mind" podcast, he mentions (1h7m) that his first wife studied meditation at a 3 year retreat in Santa Fe, New Mexico.. anyone know the name of the center? Is it Henry Shukman's Mountain Cloud Zen Center from the book "Zen the Authentic Gate"? In that interview, Chris also mentions that he's looking forward to connecting to the infinite when he dies.. so does he believe one's consciousness as an individual exists after dying? If so, it sounds terrifying.. a few trillion years fine, but I'd opt-out of a consciousness that never ends! Regarding the 550ug lsd dose, what would be the equivalent in Psilocybin? A hero's dose 5g? Paul Stamets on the Tim Ferris' podcast talks about his time taking 20g of mushroom! But how many grams of (dried?) mushrooms would you need to get an active dose of 2g? Or thoughts on Jim Fadiman's micro-dose protocol (10ug of lsd every 3rd day)? 25mg of Psilocybin requires 5g of (dried?) mushrooms? What about 1P-LSD? It's seems as it's inexpensive and legal in many places (Canada, Germany, etc). BTW, Iain McNay kinda looks like Edward Muscare / Lars Ulrich!
Ben Nguyen to compare LSD dosage to psilocybin you really need to account for strain variations because some strains can be 5 times more potent than others. 1P is about equally potent to LSD, it is theorized that it is a prodrug to LSD and converts to LSD in your system
I listened to this interview and then Chris on Batgap with Michael Pollen. On Batgap I found Chris to be holding back and to be somewhat apologetic. He was afraid to go into metaphysical explanations and he said it must be all in nature and even scientific. Anyway, we all self-censore now and again.
The batpap host is not really pro psychedelics from what I've seen (good guy with good intentions overall it seems) and this could possibly be the reason Chris didn't open up fully. LSD is a non-specific amplifier only and the states of consciousness he went into are "real" as real as advanced meditation.
Reading this guys book I almost expected to see the buddha himself caught on video tape or something but chris bache seems to be just an ordinary guy with fears and desires like everyone else...? Either LSD is just giving him some kind of mental circus and his experiences weren't that real....either my perception is off and I'm looking for the wrong things....or maybe buddha was really just that great and holy of a person that he's gone even so far beyond bache that he's even further? But reading the book it seemed like Bache went super far out to the diamond light, somehow buddha integrated the diamond light more into his daily life then? My main question is basically how can Bache go through all the things he did in his book and still seem like a completely normal guy? I was expecting a radiant glow, some kind of holy aura maybe, maybe reality just becomes more ordinary the further out you go? So that would mean the furthest out people are the ones in the most completely ordinary lives of all? Idk just some thoughts. I was kind of expecting a sadhguru, ram dass, dalai lama type....interesting how reality is so different than what you expect. Maybe I need to see more clearly.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree there looking for some sort of glow or special signs. He is a normal human just like all the humans you mention. It makes no difference if you light candles and wear a robe or eat a sandwich in shorts and flip flops. Don't look for anything special from anyone.
@Green Dholia - If I may…? Reading your comment note that Chris does not ‘meet your expectations’ - Therein is the key. Expectations lead us all to disillusionment. By giving up expectations we become free to experience and accept what IS. Give up expectations and stop making judgements… they are impediments. In Bache’s defense I would point to what a sweet ‘normal’ guy HH the Dalai Lama is… Buddha Gautama and Jesus of Nazareth were both enlightened and very humble as well… wearing simple robes, dusty sandals, hanging with common folk… except our ‘expectations’ want them to be something other…? Missing the moon by staring at the pointing finger.
VevoKIlledUtube taking it alone or with a most trusted sitter is usually the best. Somebody once said as long as there is somebody else in the room the facade will always stand. I and many others find we can go far deeper when we are alone.
You don’t have to choose one or the other they go hand in hand for many people. Many very experienced spiritual people would never have gotten there without having been opened up to it by psychedelics at first.
You haven't read Chris Bache's book then, where he goes over the inner purification process which occurs commonly with psychedelics that transcends far beyond the individual.
I just finished his new book "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven". It was one of the most profound books I have ever read. I highly highly recommend it.
I read it in August 2020 when I was recovering from suicidal depression through anxiety and stress and questioning the point of absolutely everything. This book fundamentally shifted my world view.
I have also just finished reading this book. A agree completely with you maxwellwilson. A very profound book. It is also very sincere and heartfelt.
It's so rare to find an intellectual and a theorist who has the courage to experiment with reality, to walk the talk, to challenge the theoretical through direct, courageous journeying. I resonate with Chris on his journey, and recognize so many truths. Mostly, from what life has shown me, psychedelics are not used as entheogens - tools to have the experience of the divine - and so much respect for taking the time to develop the ability to recall and digest the experience that cannot be put into words. I found that particularly impossible. I love the fact that equal weight is given to the heart and the head. Beautiful and surprising interview. Thank you Chris and Iain. Much respect. Keep shining.
Wonderful discussion. Around two years ago I had the most life changing experience with LSD. I've thought about it almost on a daily basis ever since. It feels almost like, with hindsight, I had opened a door into a timeless place of learning and infinite love. For what seemed like seconds in our earth time, my consciousness was taken to a distant galaxy, where I was left to stare at a moon like planet for centuries, alone and lonely. I turned my head to the right and I was once more back in this earthly realm. It's so difficult to place into words that profound feeling of protracted time, and its subsequent effect on my being. I've tried to describe a small part of the 12 hour or so experience. To say it was without doubt one of the single most important days of my life, would be an understatement.
When you said I turned my head back to the right and it changed I'm reminded of Swedenborg. Swedenborg used to see one state then he'll turn to the right and it'll change. Very trippy reading.
Sounds very much like what some nde'rs experience
I have experienced something very similar. It's like human language is too clunky and inadequate to articulate what you experienced
@@anonymous3174 . Exactly that.
Has this experience change your life in any way? Did you do things you'd not have done otherwise?
I'd love to experience this too, so much.
Thank you.
I took LSD every weekend for 4 weeks in a row back in 1971 with the serious intention of wanting to know what ‘IT’ is all about. It was life changing. Eye opening.
Please can you tell us more?
That’s not a good way to use it, your intervals are too close. Not enough time to reset your tolerance, not enough time to integrate what you learned.
Thank you so much for this delicious message of discovering that "when life uses you in that delicious way, when that cross-fertilization takes place, it is the sweetest feeling to me." "We are dissolved into the crystalline nature of God." It makes me think that we are the facets of a diamond reflecting and shining our unique light into the darkness. The very highest and best to us all. Wow! Great interview.
“LSD and the Mind of the Universe” is a wonderful book. I found the book very helpful Christopher, so I say thank you for your endeavour. 🙏
Honestly, I think it is one of the most important books ever written.
Soo wonderful.... Thank you so much Chris for sharing and for this channel! ☺️🙏💙✨
Hello I hope you're safe over there? I hope this year brings happiness prosperity, love and peace all over the world. I would love us to be good friends in honesty and in trust so as time goes on it will bring something great for us in the future, hope you don't mind? I'm Engineer Graham Bolt from Nashville Tennessee, where are you from
I can't wait for his new book. I hope he doesn't distill all his experiences into major themes. I like to hear the raw experiences of the beings he met and what else he turned into! What was his kundalini awakening like? Was the energy overwhelming even scary at times? If Bhagavad Gita is called The Song of God what song was he singing? ... I can't stop loving you !!! OM KALI MA!
No, he avoids that - tries to tell the raw experiences. Fabulous book!! Easily one of best reads ever!
sawmill123456 I too wonder what his kundalini awakening was like. Mine has been extremely intense, even terrifying quite a bit of the time. Jai Shakti
Your interview with Chris Bache is probably the most fascinating interview I’ve heard in my life. Much gratitude, please have him back for more. Now with you doing interviews not being in person, could you do more without waiting for people to be able to get to your studio?
Wonderful. Thank you so much. Just what I needed.
Beautiful interview Chris and Ian, a lot of recognition from my path with holotropic breathwork. That went on to the path of Dzogchen (which has the body of light as its ultimate goal) and Lucid dreaming as an important preliminary stage. Chris try to have a talk to Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche now that he is still alive. Thanks
Michiel Slegten have you ever thought of trying holotropic breathwork while on psychedelics? It can take you incredibly far even with low doses just to enhance the breathwork. I highly recommend it to anyone into breathwork who is able to use psychedelics safely.
Wonderful book. Absolutely amazing. Thank you Chris.
👍Thank you one of the best interview so unusual and personal exploration of Chris a must see . Thanks Yan to bring this interview on conscious Tv 🙏
So glad you can finally share your work. I look forward to learning more.
This interview and conversation is so fascinating. So many layers that I need to watch again to really absorb them all !! Thank you!!!
I am a very strong believer in afterlife. Many years ago I had a very close friend. Who has now passed away.back in 2001 on the last day I visited my friend. When I’m not on his door he invited me in and he told me he had something to tell me. He asked me to sit down he took my hand and told me I must listen and I must pass these words on to everyone.As he held my hand he was crying with joy. He told me that he was woken up in the night by this bright light .and this figure walked out of the bright light . And he told me that Jesus that you see on the cross does not look anything like he does on the cross.but there is a God. He passed away the next day.?
One of the most well-spent hours ever
Thanks for sharing have a great new year 2024
Great discussion about using LSD to advance one's level of Consciousness.
The whole interview was very grounded and holistic. Thanks
The only question is, when you have advanced what do you do with it?
@@E-Kat that's the challenge and also beauty of it i guess. How do you express those realizations, while having this physical body experience.
@@wings2585 I suppose one has to remember the experience and to be true to himself.
Such an inspiring conversation. Thank you for this beautiful gift to us all. 🙏🏽♥️🌌
A wonderful and moving interview. I wonder what music Chris listened to.....
This Interview should have 14million views !!! 20years from now it will. Our Extraterrestrial Counterparts will be among us by then; and They are indeed very interested in this work. Shamanism is becoming Very Popular among our Extraterrestrial Friends out there as we speak.
This process of opening and closing, the 'spandha' of universe propels form to higher expressions of the Dharmakaya. Carlos Castaneda wrote about the process of recollection. All of us get this ah ha moments when a memory of experience awakens and we think 'Ah so, that what it meant'. Years later we may recollect the same experience and yet another layer of meaning is unpealed revealing another dimension of understanding.
The opacity of the teaching mind overwhelmed me. Would have been neat to have heard of Chris's experiences under LSD but we didn't get there.
His books will explain these topics.
Thank you--I got so much out of this!
This is one of the most interesting things I have ever seen on CZcams! Thanks!
@volunteerz 600 micrograms of lsd, 73 times, in a serious, consistent way.
Since childhood one question has kept bubbling up in my mind: the bodhisattva vow is to work for the enlightenment of all forms of the divine from humans to the tiniest of flora, fauna and funga. So what would the relationship between all the awakened forms of biota be like?
Thanks for this!
This interview brought a smile :-)
Thank you so much for this.
This was absolutely fantastic. Thank you!
I really enjoyed it! Thank you
this guys book "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven". IS GREAT!!!!! reality just goes on infinitely forever in all directions it seems
Wow a lot of growth in one lifetime! Who says drugs aren't good for you in the right setting. He accomplished what many spend many, many lifetimes trying to achieve He didn't speak of love I wonder what he discovered about that?
I wouldn't classify it as "drugs" unless I was promoting the world government's war on personal development to keep us confined in a slave mentality
I love your channel. I learn something from every interview.
Excellent, caught the right moment.
I tried buying books on amazon and not there. Ian can you tell me where they can be purchased please. Great interview . Many thanks
Finally someone who pushes LSD much like I do.
It should come as no surprise that in the Age of Materialism
The Avatar would manifest as a Substance.
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It's a shame mdma (ecstacy) is so hard to get hold of-certainly in it's pure form, not cut with some poisson or other-because frankly, on the occasion I have had it, it has been the most expansive possitive experience I ever had.
David Wilder use the dark web you can easily get pure stuff there if you use a well reviewed vendor
The ego is like the mythical dragon. If you attack it, or feed it (with attention or psychedelic drugs) it will multiply or change it's appearances. Then you are still lost in it, and even more, no matter how special it feels. Transcending is about learning to ignore the ego and reside in the stillness of the self. There is no shortcut via the ego, not even one that takes 20 years and seems scientific or methodic. That's all mind. Enlightenment is not for the ego, it's from the ego. Just meditate and experience the stillness you are.
What is strange is his experience was into a deeper self, inner trip. Mine was very different and opposite in that I was outside myself, seeing "me" as I truly am:) Very therapeutic.
StringGene the deeper you go the less it becomes about the self and the more it becomes about the one whole
Do you realize how much acid this guy took?
We're way past heroic doses here
But it makes me feel excluded. How do I get this consciousness given that we don’t all have such a teacher nor access to psychedelics?
holotropic breathing for instance, search stanislav grof
You have the internet and videos.
Any form of suffering social isolation starvation all the things that humans are supposed to experience but avoid like the plague understandably.
There's only one problem... you didn't actually understand REALITY -- you only saw/experienced the inner workings of the metaphysical machine called "Mind"
Beautiful! You can reach out to me anytime. I know exactly what you are expressing. Living in 2 worlds is extremely challenging.
How often can we do it?
So that is what transpersonal means. thank you...
What is that around Christopher's neck?
On the "Adventures Through The Mind" podcast, he mentions (1h7m) that his first wife studied meditation at a 3 year retreat in Santa Fe, New Mexico.. anyone know the name of the center? Is it Henry Shukman's Mountain Cloud Zen Center from the book "Zen the Authentic Gate"?
In that interview, Chris also mentions that he's looking forward to connecting to the infinite when he dies.. so does he believe one's consciousness as an individual exists after dying? If so, it sounds terrifying.. a few trillion years fine, but I'd opt-out of a consciousness that never ends!
Regarding the 550ug lsd dose, what would be the equivalent in Psilocybin? A hero's dose 5g? Paul Stamets on the Tim Ferris' podcast talks about his time taking 20g of mushroom! But how many grams of (dried?) mushrooms would you need to get an active dose of 2g? Or thoughts on Jim Fadiman's micro-dose protocol (10ug of lsd every 3rd day)? 25mg of Psilocybin requires 5g of (dried?) mushrooms?
What about 1P-LSD? It's seems as it's inexpensive and legal in many places (Canada, Germany, etc).
BTW, Iain McNay kinda looks like Edward Muscare / Lars Ulrich!
Ben Nguyen to compare LSD dosage to psilocybin you really need to account for strain variations because some strains can be 5 times more potent than others. 1P is about equally potent to LSD, it is theorized that it is a prodrug to LSD and converts to LSD in your system
If you're asking these questions that means you should stay away from this stuff. Only use it when supervised by an experienced person.
I listened to this interview and then Chris on Batgap with Michael Pollen. On Batgap I found Chris to be holding back and to be somewhat apologetic. He was afraid to go into metaphysical explanations and he said it must be all in nature and even scientific. Anyway, we all self-censore now and again.
The batpap host is not really pro psychedelics from what I've seen (good guy with good intentions overall it seems) and this could possibly be the reason Chris didn't open up fully.
LSD is a non-specific amplifier only and the states of consciousness he went into are "real" as real as advanced meditation.
Gotta explain shit at their level or they won't understand it and dismiss it
How can this exact work be done without psychedelics?
Stan Groffs Holotropic Breathwork...
Deep meditation
A dude likes this.
Reading this guys book I almost expected to see the buddha himself caught on video tape or something but chris bache seems to be just an ordinary guy with fears and desires like everyone else...? Either LSD is just giving him some kind of mental circus and his experiences weren't that real....either my perception is off and I'm looking for the wrong things....or maybe buddha was really just that great and holy of a person that he's gone even so far beyond bache that he's even further? But reading the book it seemed like Bache went super far out to the diamond light, somehow buddha integrated the diamond light more into his daily life then? My main question is basically how can Bache go through all the things he did in his book and still seem like a completely normal guy? I was expecting a radiant glow, some kind of holy aura maybe, maybe reality just becomes more ordinary the further out you go? So that would mean the furthest out people are the ones in the most completely ordinary lives of all? Idk just some thoughts. I was kind of expecting a sadhguru, ram dass, dalai lama type....interesting how reality is so different than what you expect. Maybe I need to see more clearly.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree there looking for some sort of glow or special signs. He is a normal human just like all the humans you mention. It makes no difference if you light candles and wear a robe or eat a sandwich in shorts and flip flops. Don't look for anything special from anyone.
@Green Dholia - If I may…? Reading your comment note that Chris does not ‘meet your expectations’ - Therein is the key.
Expectations lead us all to disillusionment. By giving up expectations we become free to experience and accept what IS.
Give up expectations and stop making judgements… they are impediments. In Bache’s defense I would point to what a sweet ‘normal’ guy HH the Dalai Lama is… Buddha Gautama and Jesus of Nazareth were both enlightened and very humble as well… wearing simple robes, dusty sandals, hanging with common folk… except our ‘expectations’ want them to be something other…? Missing the moon by staring at the pointing finger.
Entirely subjective & one-sided, surely? I think it’s a valid approach, but with an N=1, how universal can it really be?
Id take some LSD with this guy.
VevoKIlledUtube taking it alone or with a most trusted sitter is usually the best. Somebody once said as long as there is somebody else in the room the facade will always stand. I and many others find we can go far deeper when we are alone.
People have big imagination and hallucinations. I run away from such.
Short cuts help us to end up in mental hospitals,thats why we need a Guru who has walked the path.
lol
You don’t have to choose one or the other they go hand in hand for many people. Many very experienced spiritual people would never have gotten there without having been opened up to it by psychedelics at first.
@@spyorgclubbord9520 I don't think acid is for the common laymen.
They don't have the spiritual maturity for it
chemical substances do not give you enlightenment period.
Neither does ego
how do you know?!
seumas Broderick I know that I know. there is no short cuts you need to do the work my friend.
You haven't read Chris Bache's book then, where he goes over the inner purification process which occurs commonly with psychedelics that transcends far beyond the individual.
James Tucker I don't. need to borrow some one else experience. when YOU will have first hand experience then we can talk.