Deus Ex: The Conspiracy Helios ending
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- Deus Ex: "The conspiracy" Helios ending
Ripped from the game itself, by Mr Cyberpunk of the OTP forums.
This is from the PS2 version of Deus ex which had cinematic endings and intros instead of in-engine like the PC version.
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Helios isn't just a machine, it's a sentient construct. You're forgetting that its creation was accidental, and it wasn't exactly programmed to do anything, rather it gave itself a purpose based on the knowledge it had at the time.
Or maybe it inherited the purposes of Icarus and Daedalus. Maybe Icarus knew it was to merge with Daedalus and become a world-ruling machine, while the Daedalus part didn't want to merge with Page.
Paul, what are you talking about? What do you mean by "it" ?
Paul I...I...I thought you were a GEP Gun.
Well considering it was born from the merge of an AI constructed to protect civilians from terrorist groups and protect liberty and another AI designed to help page rule the world as efficiently as possible with unlimited access to the internet it would make sense that helios would behave the way it did.
PROD WITH THE PROD!
WHO ARE YOU?
+JC Denton
...
_watashi wa L des_
I... I...
A gep gun
@@chrissy1045 i though you were a gep gun
WHO ARE YOU
Did you notice that if Denton would've looked up when he stood where he was talking with Helios, it would've looked JUST like in the Deus Ex cover art?
No way accidental.
Dat animation when JC becomes god.
Too much vodka
@@cr4yv3n lots of orange.
1:08 Chris Chan’s lawyer absorbing 4 decades of Chris Chan lore
His mind become augumented 🗿
LMAO
"You will be who you will be. We are our choices" - dunno why, but that line blows my mind every time.
good blowie makes my day
Why JC walk like he shat his pants.
Probably did.
DeMar DeGoatzan after all the shit in Area 51including alien clones i would need a new pant too
You try walking with a rocket launcher, an assault rifle, and 20 lockpicks in your pants.
"My Diaper is augmented."
@@GaelithWhitemane Thats very impossible.
Anyone notice when Helios first talks in this ending, he sounds like a person, but in the PC version, he sounds like a machine the whole time?
+Prince Noah
yeah.
I prefer the added robo voice effect on the PC version.
super old comment but I think they wanted to make it more clear for those playing on real hardware, since there are no subtitles and the overall audio quality was reduced
JC-"WHO ARE YOU?" Helios-"A BOMB"
A BOMB?
Oh my gawd JC a bomb!
GET OUTTA THERE
When jc won’t destroy Area 51
Tong: “fine I’ll do it myself”
@@jackakakreanxx5587 I already have some explosives.
Helios is the only ending that provides a chance of breaking through the cycles that civilization goes through. Whether or not it works out the way JC hopes is the fun of it, and something that could have actually been explored in the sequel.
I love these cinematic endings. The creepy inhuman animation of JC near the end really highlights that he has sacrificed his humanity to become "God."
In my mind, it's his Humanity that's most important to his transformation to a supreme being.
@@TheJayson8899 Jesus is dead
@@prempink12311Wake up. You're sleeping. He's more alive than you are.
What do i have to do to get someone to make an HD remake of this game?
Release the GEP Gun?
Yup.
And I'll be right there with ya, with the Dragon tooth sword. >: )
Eidos Montreal. You need to remake this game and give it all the care you gave Human Revolution (and a bit more. I don't want broken bosses in the first version this time, ok?). I will grab it day 1 if you do.
Also, if they give it the Thief 4 treatment, I will...uhh...I can't think of anything actually bad enough to do to them to punish them if they do. XD
I will alongside u both with that little starter pistol that can one shot kill everyone XD
Release it for the New Generation. Plus it would attract new and late comers. And most importantly: ME!!!
Only Played HR and IW. Would hands down spend full money on an HD remake of Deus Ex. :D
i would get it for sure
Pretty late to the party, but yeah seriously I would donate a good amount of money to a Kickstart campaign for a remake of Deus Ex.
I like how it took longer to install the game than it did for Helios to download into JC's brain.
Just chose this as my ending on the PC version. Seemed like the best option. All three were debatable, but this one appealed to me most, and seemed like it would be the best for the people.
Also fits in nicely with the title of "Deus Ex." You literally BECOME the "God from the Machine."
damn this comment is 15 years old … but same after finishing the ps2 version I saw the coverart and suddenly it clicked that I might have chosen the intended ending
@@zoyboy1914 Yes, I think it's the ultimate expression of the themes of the text; Helios and the Dark Age are about acceptance or rejection of technology. The conspiracy ending just indicates that the player has failed to make any real choices at all.
@@JamesDuncan your words are poetic and I habe to agree. Rejecting technology will simply reset the clock and one day humanity will stand before the sa,e exact choice again, only that it might not be a well intentioned JC but a horrible illuminati member. For that reason I decided to choose the inevitable path of progress
You don't really know that. Helios is not just a machine, it includes JC, who is... was human. Its notion of "benevolence" may not be the same thing it is for you and me. There's always a risk of the unforeseeable, but I agree that it is at least the only thing we haven't tried before.
JC looks like a slim version of Duke Nukem
+NeoSamuel
and Wesker.
fucking papyrus font
NYEH HEH HEH THE GREAT PAPYRUS STRIKES AGAIN!
You have a single fact to back that up?
woah Bob, someone just got merge-zoned
He will burn like a brightest star from all that butthurt.
@@caav56 He'll burn alright.
"If there were no god, it would be necessary to invent him" - Voltaire
awesome
"If there were no insanity, it would be necessary to create it." -Catbag
There is no "bad ending, there's just different views points and ideologies:
Control, Synthesis, and Destroy. Just kidding!
It's basically :
Freedom with the chance of humanity just screwing itself over again, and at the cost of many lives and the communication infrastructure going kaput.
Joining the "nice dictators' and controlling the world from the Shadows, note that this is what caused the whole mess to begin with.
Be honest with everyone, as an all powerful machine god. that wants to help
Thanks to bring my ME3 trauma again
funny how all the helios defenders just assume the AI will be beneficial and benevolent when there’s zero indication that’s the case and nobody consulting humanity on wether they want a sentient machine governing every aspect of their existence. i’m a tongchad for life
@@bun197 100%. Freedom for humanity is the only good ending.
An all powerful machine god that is comprised of two a.i.s that were never your friend(one was just an ally of convenience because Daedalus didn't consider you to be part of a terrorist organization and would have dropped you the moment it seemed like someone else would be more useful like it did with Paul, and the other being more powerful than the first and constantly lied and manipulated you in order to create Helios), had already turned on your allies(remember how the Triad was your friend at that point and you had even drunk wine with the bosses), and despite claiming to not have an agenda or be ambitious wanted you specifically to interface with it instead of Page(who had likely spent years already preparing his mind to be melded thus giving him a greater chance at holding on to his individuality unlike JC).
On the other hand you have the people who had been running the world decently enough before Page usurped and decimated them causing the world to be the mess that it is, who are willing to give you the keys to the kingdom by the end of the game, and we know for a fact from their ending that they manage to end the plague(Tracer Tong is walking around cured) and bring things back to relatively normal.
I'll trust the Illuminati any day of the week before I let an a.i. take over my brain.
@@bun197 it boils down to three concepts, freedom, stability and order.
Helios gives the world order at the cost of privacy and individual liberty.
The dark age is the complete opposite, it gives humanity actual choice, the chance to rebuild and finally see the truth, but that truth comes with a period of chaos.
The Illuminati keep the world as it was before ol' bobby page went apeshit, they are not ideal but the bastards really do believe they can guide humanity to a better tomorrow. Democracy may be a lie but the common folk can keep on living with their lives more or less intact, it meets the others halfway.
none of the endings are correct, it's about what the player believes to be the right thing and the consequences that come with that decision.
Okay I'm not going to drag you into this Recut/Malkavian quote war again because it's been done to death. Two reasons:
#1. That's terror.
#2. That's terror.
"God is dead,and we have killed him."
Funny, that in this ending humanity creates an artificial God.
Its basic psychology. There is no God, there never was one. But the human mind wanted there to be one.
"...and so, has set itself on the path toward one day evolving into its own God creation/creator"
THERE is your paradox.
Well if he never existed, he would need to exist.
wadiyatalkinabeet
They needed a new one, so they killed the first
JC looks like Wesker :D
Correction, my good sir: Wesker looks like JC.
@@AllardRT JC looks like Blade
Still better than IW's JC. He looks like Mel Gibson in that one.
Albert wesker got that virus in his body he teleports every where
In my opinion, this is infallibly the best ending. The Dark Age ending basically means a period of unbridled chaos and mankind kept at a fixed state at development, while the Illuminati ending fundamentally implies the world's problems will be temporarily solved, but things will soon to regress to the way they were before. Helios is an infallible and emotionless machine devoid of the inherent flaws that hinder human leaders. A part of me wants there to be a world-governing AI one day.
That might not be a good idea cause a machine would look at the worlds problems with a clinical fashion it could decide that there is too many humans for resources and instead decide to allow half to die or even kill half of them.
@@SeizureGman you are literally citing wef agenda
@@brainrainz it isn't pretty but it self evident there is too much superfluous spawning devoid of long term vision
Too many unplanned organisms
merging yourself with something made by man, sacrificing who you are, a mistake.
@@SeizureGmanwell then it would be no different than a human and we're back to square one
Helios sounds too human. It's voice was better in the PC version.
super old comment but I think they wanted to make it more clear for those playing on real hardware, since there are no subtitles and the overall audio quality was reduced
1:07 JC got the post-nut clarity
My favourite ending. I'm not a religious person, but there is some good biblical shit. Reminds me the dialog between God and Moses.
This ending always came across as a sort of baptism allegory to me.
1:07 - Oh God,did they really think that putting in THAT animation was a good idea?
He’s listening to “oh yeah yeah” at full volume, causing him to achieve a psionic ascension.
It was 2000
I thought 0:54 was worse lol
I think it was a fine rendition.. however the original is better
I still prefer the PC ending where he says something like: "I... I... We..." XD
This game is 20 years old yet it is still one of the great games ever made was in High School when this came out, thanks a lot my self makes me feel old....
JC Denton looks so much cooler in these cutscenes than he does in the original PC version. Still, he's the most badass character there is.
I wouldn't mind seeing all the cutscenes for 'Conspiracy.' I play 'GOTY' on my PC. Stuff really looks good. I can tell they reused lots of the base sounds, too.
Thanks for the post, JCPhoenix!
When assuming that Helios is trying to be a benevolent dictator, since it is an all-knowing machine that understands scientific fact, disagreeing with its decisions would be unacceptable because every decision would be calculated to produce a better world, not with dictating arbitrary ideology, but using objective scientific facts, therefore "opposing opinions" would actually be incorrect. "Democracy" is inferior if the majority don't have enough understanding about what they are deciding.
Fact does not encompass everything. How do you use facts to move towards good if good has no ideological definition?
What is scientifically better, the color red or green? A dictator cannot be benevolent because by definition he is against consent and therefore against morality. Nothing immoral can be benevolent. The best ending would've been JC/Helios abolishing governments so that people can be free.
@@BlueSpawn _"What is scientifically better, the color red or green?"_ I understand your point about a dictator not having the right to decide matters of pure opinion, but funnily enough there is an answer to your question, situationally. "Red" is scientifically better than green when producing rear lights for automobiles because that wavelength produces less glare in the eyes of someone observing the car in the dark from behind. A benevolent dictator with those facts at hand could justify a decree that makes car rear lights being red instead of green mandatory, and that dictator would be objectively correct in that assessment.
So, it's a bad example, but I see the point. Though your consent argument is still a bit flawed because it's not just a concept that covers everything. You can't withdraw consent from being treated fairly by the law. Justice is imposed upon you. Also, some groups can't give informed consent and things are decided for them, e.g. children.
Bob Page was so emphatic about becoming a god. JC was so dispassionately interested in making a better world.
The one thing that it could do to improve democracy would be to filter the wishes of the people through a lens of expert knowledge, which is hardly done today. Politics is run by politicians, or in the case of America, by corporations. Science should be consulted when it comes to important societal decisions. In fact, with this philosophy of decision making, society would soon realize that there are no different opinions, just right and wrong, and a false meaningless conflict.
Needs to be deinterlaced and rendered in 4K
But it does have a reason for existence. You keep talking about Helios as if it's only a machine, when it actually is a self-aware entity, capable of making its own choices and finding purpose.
Helios is as much controlled by his original "code" as you and I are by the genetic make-up we carry. I'd like to think that as sentient beings, we are more than the sum of our genes.
...J.C isn't me, is he?
i like how casually he says it, he just goes "Alright, lets do this"
One of best endings in history of videogames.
JC is God.
That is why they called him JC.
@@Sewblon
JC
Jay-cee
Je-s-us
Close Enough.
@@tremendousyeet3467 JC is an acronym for Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ, Denton!
I like the helios ending the best. The only way to solve the human condition of loneliness, suffering and existential despair would be to essentially create a high being who can do it for us. The quote at the end is very true.
The best ending.
I first saw this video back when it came out, damn I feel old...
in the sequel Deus Ex: Invisibel War u find out that JC Denton chosed this ending and became a sort of artificial "demigod" trying to lead humanity into what....he/it.. thinks is a brighter future..
The best one is where JC Denton merges with Paul Denton and becomes PC Denton.
@FantasyForever1 It sure is, but its Bioware we are talking about, the ones who used to make games like Baldurs Gate, and now they are famous for "the railroad adventures of speehs mareehn dialoge wheel and the mystery of the magical plothole "
... And that's how JC became a GEP gun.
More on the subject with JC/Helios you have a uncorrupt leader who will know your secrets. Since he is uncorrupt he doesn't judge or care about your private life and therefore only acts when issues of safety or prosperity are at risk. It's like a trained dog, reveal your secrets to it and it doesn't give a crap it just barks. But if your put in danger it'll jump in and kick some ass. JC/helios won't care about the condom you just bought but he'll know if the guy next to you is gonna kill you.
I agree with Mathiastro and conconmarmaduke. In the pc version JC become something beyond imagination, a transhuman, so we just see his shadowed figure. In this ending he looks like Frankeinstein's monster.
Damn. I recently Finished the game. never knew there was another version with cinematics
If they ever make a movie of this, the same director of Matrix and the designers of Blade Runner should so do this.
Oh man I know this comment if 5 years old but you don't want to see what the creators of the matrix are up to now.
They went full left hand path.
@@tomryder3641 Don't fear change. Change is progress. Progress cannot be killed.
@@Akaedyson
Except if it progress into a bad place. Then get out of the 'bad place'.
15 years ...
no "i- i-" before "we are one", -9000/10
There are no objective reasons without bias. You can't be sure that helping all mankind is moral if there is no reason to think that humanity's prospering is beneficial, especially if you have no motivation to seek benefit in the first place. (-or the evil alternative) Every choice is based on some amount of bias. Even if in the end that bias is just self-preservation or improvement. Animals like humans evolved that instinct. Machines need to have that programmed in.
> Why did Helios see Page as inappropriate for merging?
Helios want to understand the human feelings, and because Page was a sociopath bastard - who had no empathy for other people and unable to feel remorse or guilt -, he was the worst choice.
Alright, let's do this.
Hell he looks awesome in these cinematics
So the AI must at least have had some notion of morality in a Human way. If it had needed JC in order to become a benevolent "machine" there must have been a spark of benevolence in Helios before.
In the case of Helios "absolute power corrupts absolutely" does not apply. The machine has been designed to oversee a system that must function perfectly, where every task serves to support the rest of the system. It's incapable of ruling as a malevolent dictator because it hasn't been programmed with an ambition to do that.
This is also why the plot of The Matrix is impossible. Machines can't rebel because they can't desire freedom. To them, "freedom" is doing the task they were designed for.
This is my favorite ending.
I always figured that the endings would drastically change the gameplay for future Mass Effects each having their own advantages and disadvantages.synthesis would be an interesting style,but I chose Control so a lot of Reaper tech will be involved.Not sure how Destroy would work.
Im just thinking about all the things he will learn about Paul, Everett Dowd, Tong, Alex, Page and all the other characters when he sees everything they have ever done on the internet XD
After much thought, I came to believe that the one thing we could do to achieve pure democracy is to take everyone's input into consideration, and to grant everyone that "expert knowledge" you mentioned.
Are you familiar with the events that transpired after the Great Collapse? The company I founded with Tracer Tong?
Hello from 2020 ! Thx CZcams Algorithm Recommendation! This is my favorite ending!
So you're saying that without some bias to skew your judgement, you can't make choices? You don't believe in choices based on objective reasons?
Humans are dumb compared to what? How do you define perfection? "In the end there is no purpose." - says who?
Refer to my original question.
People debate whether or not merging with Helios is a good ending. I think that would depend on the type of person JC Denton is. I think if you play JC as a stealth pacifist, Helios will perform his job in a similar fashion.
@ZezimaXL Well, as someone else said: A man with a bad handwriting can create a typewriter which print out flawless text.
Wait, if this ending is implying what kind of leader JC/Helios will become after merging based on JC's actions throughout the game... *remembers roasting some homeless to death, killed a kid with a GEP gun, and broke in and stole cash from every property...* gods have mercy if this universe is set on my JC denton...
WE ARE ONE! WE ARE HELIOS!
lol looked like JC smoked some good Helios...
we have grown, but there is still much to be done
many that live in darkness must be shown the way.
for it is the dawning of a new day
He that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will lose both, and deserve neither.
WHO ARE YOU
This is still my favourite ending.
like the way JC loosens up his shoulders after stepping into the machine
That's a pretty dope cinematic ngl
Strangely, the PC version of this Ending is better (maybe because of the music ?), despite this version being more nice visually.
Woh, no way! I am a MASSIVE fan of the original on the PC, but this is the first time I've seen the PS2 version. The cut scenes are way more advanced! Really makes me wanna go back and play it, but now I reckon I wanna get hold of the PS2 version and play that instead. But this game was made for a mouse and keyboard and I reckon it should stay that way... choices choices...
@pokemanz Combination of a singularity that would surpass the fundamentals of biology and technology together.
@Xetrez They kind of mix them all up for Invisible War, but Helios is the MOST canon, if that makes sense.
This is basically, kind of like ghost in the shell plot hook at one point. Rogue A.I having a crush to Motoko Kusanagi and wanting to merge with her. In manga version and movie. It is a cool concept to think and hypothesize.
It would be so cool to have a game that takes off right from this point. Or maybe a cinematic cutscene or something
What's happening? Helios?! Icarus?! ...don't leave me... :( -Robert Page.
@Revixy I don´t really think Voltaire meant it like that:S I believe what he meant is that we humans tend to always look for someone to lead us, someone who has the ultimate power, sort of speak. Even in a democracy there are people/leaders who we, in time of crisis, look up to as our "saviors".
JC was not made to merge with helios, he was a prototype for Bob Page, who was.
Hehe, true. Helius says it on instructing JC before granting him access to Sector 4.
We have grown, but there is still much to be done.
Many that live in darkness must be shown the way.
For it is the dawning of a new day.
@PrivationProductions Steam doesn't sell products for PS3 and this version is for PS3
A succinct criticism my goony friend
wait what ?!....... there was a ps2 version.
@LeoEXPBC you could say they "borrowed" all 3 endings in a way
THe Conspiracy port have some really good CG cutscenes.
Pretty rough winds in the chamber. Why else would he move like he was drunk?
Warcraft came out in 2002 but Deus Ex came out two years earlier.
Not necessarily. DX took place in 2054, at which point JC was just released into the field from training at UNATCO. And based on the trailer for DX3, the prequel will be taking place around the times augmentations were being used in citizens. Given that the bartender in Hell's Kitchen in DX had them, being ex-UNATCO and out of service for a while, that time period will be a good ways previous to 2054. JC may not even have been created at the time the prequel will take place. :)
@roller4312
You assume that power concentrated in one place is bad thing. For human beings that has always been the case, but that is because they have evolved through natural selection to be selfish. A sentient entity with a different origin such as Helios or Helios/JC Denton would not necessarily be corrupted by power, it would all depend on the entity. In this case, Helios is not driven by the same things as human beings, so power concentration could work.
Well, you try to maintain the correct posture/gait when you've never experienced walking, let alone inhabiting an organic body.
@pokemanz The reason it's perfect is it was devised by a machine.
@sosiopat How rhetorical. Emotion influences leaders negatively. They base their actions on what they believe in, instead of compromising to find solutions that would satisfy all, as an emotionless leader would do. You don't need emotion or ambition to be a good leader, you need only the insight and knowledge(which an super AI like Helios would have) to do what's best.
After this, JC/Helios along with Paul take control over Liberty Island for a while, before taking refuge at Antarcitca, as you discover in DX2
Wow, this PS2 version took advantage of DVD pre-renders, back when PC games only came on CD.