Cymas are great guns, there internals are great and there externals are excellent too, when they are about the same price as G&G for their higher end ones like the metal bodied AKs or m4s they are quite hard to beat
If i buy a gun and i know im gonna upgrade it, i usually go with cyma. Especially their m4s and aks. My fav is the cyma platinum m4 qbs. It needs very little to absolutely rip. Ive worked on a few Including personal qbs. they’ve been nothing but a breeze to work on and my personal qbs has been my lowest maintenance gun even after upgrading to 35+rps@1.5j
Hell man bought a lonex m4 like 10 years ago. all I've had to do over the years was hop rubber and rhop it's still one of the best shooting aegs at my field
Here in Japan, at least in my area, VFC guns are regarded pretty high, almost as beloved as TM. My VFC's are all gas guns so I can't speak for the AEG side of the house, but I've had no issues. It's wild how much opinions can differ by region.
VFC is terrible literally terrible, wouldn't last 6months in the UK scene they've got a really bad name. Externally they look nice but internally cheap and rubbish. I'd rather a CYMA for an AK bomb proof easy to source parts had mine 4 years still works only needed minor work. I fell in a pond with the gun and it still works that is a testiment to CYMA
@Tom-td7he That's why he is talking about top tier guns to upgrade. VFC shells are durable enough to support about 30 rps ssg builds. Most after market parts fit. They're externals are probably the best on the market too. So you upgrade gears,piston, put a mosfet and well shimmed and tuned and you have a monster AEG. I have a G&P and VFC like that and haven't failed in years of playing airsoft.
I was lookin at your channel and I see your a fan of louder with Crowder you must have good taste. I’m getting started in tech I mostly do GBBR stuff but now I’m looking at doing AEG.
My LCT ASVAL actually worked fine for 2 years stock with a bent gearbox shell with QC issues and only discovered the problem when opening it for re-lubing. Quite crazy it took so much stress for so long but there were clear scratcher on the gears. Annoying but impressive it shot so many rounds like that.
Whats ur opinion on ICS and why it didnt make the list or mentions? Bad experiences with the split gearbox? I feel like their externals arent the greatest either
Could you also do a top tier upgrades brands. Like best spring manufacturers would be garter shs loanx matrix. But do that for all of the internal parts of the gearbox and maybe a little external like the barrel and hop up
Maybe a bit biased, I think Krytac externals are better than VFC, very marginally. In my opinion I just feel like the Rec7 was a tank. And when I compared the Avalon vs. Rec7 in store before choosing the Rec7, the externals were what won me. I however feel that the Avalon is better internally, and regret my desicion. Nowadays I wouldn’t pick either, I’d build a gun myself of better quality for a lower investment. Krytac does however lack somewhat in the aftermarket compatibility department.
Vfc’s are better externally. Krytac doesn’t have captured take down pins, individual fake hammer/trigger pins, nicer fake bolts, better buffer tube/castle nut color/feel, and arguably better paint matching/coating, though that last part about paint is slightly hard to compare since krytac doesn’t make some easily compare able guns like 416’s and their weird off brand cousin like vfc makes
Hey, dear Arsoft Tech, I`ve learnt everything from your videos and my own practice with one stubborn AR15 that just refuses to work. My question is, what does someone of your experience level think of ICS guns? I just got their PDW9 and it is fire! The externals are a piece of art imho. Would love to get your (and the comment sections) opinion on this brand. Keep up with the videos, they`re a goldmine of reliable knowledge!
Hello, can someone tell me if King Arms is a good platform for upgrades? I currently have a CYMA M16A4 but im not a big fan of the externals, i considered going for the A&K one but everyone says is practically the same, the E&C ones are out of stock everywhere, and the King Arms M4A1 looks like a decent alternative to all those options.
Hey thanks for this dude. What do you think about Classic Army? I remember back in the day over 10 years ago they were some of the top asg around along side vfc and g&p and i also remember working on some CA and they were pretty good. Whats your take?
Classic Army is terrible for upgrading. They use specific gearbox shell styles that fit into their lower recievers, which are impossible to take in an out without complications. They aren't very sturdy barrel wise overall with the outer and barrel floats. I built a DSG out of one and had too modify the gearbox shell and change every single part out to prevent the entire gearbox from breaking from a weak link part.
Help, I'm looking at the ASG Scorpion, but don't want to end up owning 30 guns. Outdoor play, but want a compact option. Dislike the small mag capacity. Any other recommendation? Own three m4's, one carbine and two cbr's. Thank You!
I agree with vfc and lct but not the biggest fan of g&p. Ran into a fair about of compatibility and figment issues with g&p. Some sleeper brands I would put over g&p and all the honorable mentions is cyma platinum and king arms.
Agreed. VFC makes some of the best and most consistent externals. Most of us end up gutting the internals with what we want anyways so it's not a big deal
G&P has some solid externals and gearbox is pretty solid in my experience, it's the internals of the gearbox that are poop. The motor will most likely fail and the piston and piston head isn't the best. And yea the gears are pretty soft.
I have e&l 74u and tbh it falls behind cyma when it comes to internals and the problems start right under the top cover (poor fitment). However it works unlike ceracoted 10.5" AR by Dytac.
I've been researching my first AK and initially it was pretty obvious that LCT is the king, but now I keep seeing a lot of talk about Arcturus being the AK she doesn't tell you about, so I'm struggling with a decision. At half the price of an LCT locally, it's pretty tempting, especially for something that I'll end up gutting and upgrading anyway. Any thoughts or first hand knowledge from the peanut gallery?
My ArcTurus AK is the business. Accurate to 60m, good weight to it. Only had it open to change the Bucking and spring. It has never let me down in the two years I've owned it. But if your going to 'gut and upgrade' why not just get a Cyma? Its a good quality rifle but you know your going to want to change the insides on a Cyma anyway and it will be cheaper still than the Arcturus.
Another awesome video with great information. I know the company I am going to mention is pretty new but I would like to know your thoughts on Lancer Tactical please.
Man VFC is literally the worst internals in the airsoft community. I cannot stress how crap they are, externally look amazing but when you spend a large sum of money and then need more upgrades and a full internal change you may aswell go with another brand. The gears strip, wires glued in the cylinder head seals are none. The QC is terrible steer well clear. For an AK build I built a CYMA 0.41 its bomb proof and the spares are cheap made a DSG build for $180 and its so good.
@@opairsoft8100 Some people have had better luck I'm sure. And some pre avalon stuff was ok, but the avalon is vfcs flagship and in most of their guns nowadays so that's what I base my judgement on. That being said, their plastic hop up is pretty cheap and the c clip breaks easily, steel bushings are just pieces of steel so they should be fine and the avalon bearings are pretty meh. Barrels in general are over priced so any stock one should be fine and vfc uses generic brass ones except for the few that came with the maple leaf bucking and barrels. And the shells are garbage, I've broken several in multiple builds, and vfc themselves had to release a new spring guide because the back of the gearboxes kept blowing on out their Avalon's. It's a weaker rip of the krytac gearbox, down to the stupid spring shimming spur gear, only with more v2 compatibility. I certainly respect your opinion, but I believe theyre only value is gutting them for the externals.
For M4’s, VFC has the best externals hands down at the price point. Their attention to detail such as the captured receiver pins, individual fake hammer/trigger pins, dust cover/fake bolts. Their paint matching/application is very good, though it is relatively thin ish, which is good and bad. I find that the next best is krytac, close to the same level of detail as VFC, but isn’t as realistic such the none captured pins and molded hammer/trigger pins. Paint is pretty decent, a little thicker then vfc, but not horrific like GHK. Evike G&P is absolutely garbage in externals. The fake bolt is JG/A&K/Dboys level quality. The receivers can have massive mold imperfections on the rails. Paint is very very close to GHK level of quality which is thiccc with three c’s. Hammer/trigger pins are meh. Grips don’t have brass inserts for the motor plate screws so that’s a big OOOF. Only real thing that’s interesting about them is the plastic selectors on some models and to a extent the SAI GRY line and possibly the Magpul/vltor line, but even that has meh paint and can still suffer from mold imperfections. Asia G&P is supposedly better internally and possibly externally, but from what I have seen in Evike G&P, I would not hold my breath.
Man, what happened to you over Christmas?! 1) VFC’s MP5 is probably one of the worst bases for upgrades as the shell is totally proprietary and the mechanical 3 round burst rules out anything like a Gate Titan 2) G&P’s gearbox shells have the WORST reputation for cracking! They do also did sell a gun with a mosfet, the i5 series 3) where’s ICS on your list?
do not feel offended but personally I think that specna arms are overpaid and a bad choice when they cost half the price compared to today's higher prices, they were quite a popular choice, but at least in my area no one speaks well about the specna due to the poor interior and often curves of the body which makes this brand a expensive, but in return it gives a poor gearbox and body with Not certain quality
I can add that few of my friends bought specna's like 3-4 years ago and only one of them was actually satisfied for his model this makes 1 satisfied client to 8 Disappointed this days I hardly can find anybody who dont regret buying specna. I too bought one specna just to check this brand and this shitbox lay under my bed for two years and now I regret buying this
I think my list would have CYMA, Lancer Tactical as well as G&G, as these companies have all been pushing the envelope with upgraded internals as a whole. All of these have updated stronger gearboxes, most with solid quick change systems (that guns like G&P don’t offer). To my knowledge all three I’ve listed come with full metal rack pinions, often times rotary hop units, and non proprietary trigger units. I’ve been running a lancer tactical proline, as a DSG with the stock gearbox, a BTC spectre (that dropped right in) and an m160. It’s rhopped with the original bucking and hop unit and the stock barrel is fantastic. I’ve since stripped the stock and rail (which were fantastic quality just not my style) and rebuilt a boneyard receiver set and sold that, as well as used the stock ETU unit to upgrade an MP5 and sold that. All still running today
I just bought the ELAR MUR platinum, and i do wonder, who the hell can even compete with that on externals? Real steel grade aluminium cncd body, ton of STEEL including all controls and whole outer barrel and internals are top notch too - steel gears 9mm bearings, one piece steel cilinder... only flaw on that thing is lack of mosfet and fcu
Cymas are great guns, there internals are great and there externals are excellent too, when they are about the same price as G&G for their higher end ones like the metal bodied AKs or m4s they are quite hard to beat
If i buy a gun and i know im gonna upgrade it, i usually go with cyma. Especially their m4s and aks.
My fav is the cyma platinum m4 qbs. It needs very little to absolutely rip.
Ive worked on a few Including personal qbs. they’ve been nothing but a breeze to work on and my personal qbs has been my lowest maintenance gun even after upgrading to 35+rps@1.5j
Great video Ryan ! Keep doing it big you heard?!!!!!!
For upgrading I would pick a cheap model to make it better, like a Cyma, Dboys or G&G. Not the expensive brands you suggest.
Hell man bought a lonex m4 like 10 years ago. all I've had to do over the years was hop rubber and rhop it's still one of the best shooting aegs at my field
I made a separate video on cheaper base guns. This video was aimed at expensive base guns 😬
“Top 3 *Top Tier….”* it’s in the title my friend. These won’t be cheap.
Interesting because there’s a lot of hate For VFC in the UK airsoft community, they’re seen as low quality internals and ok externals.
Here in Japan, at least in my area, VFC guns are regarded pretty high, almost as beloved as TM. My VFC's are all gas guns so I can't speak for the AEG side of the house, but I've had no issues. It's wild how much opinions can differ by region.
@@Undoing77 I hear the new Gen GBB VFCs are very decent, better than GHK, which seem to be struggling with QC currently.
VFC is terrible literally terrible, wouldn't last 6months in the UK scene they've got a really bad name. Externally they look nice but internally cheap and rubbish.
I'd rather a CYMA for an AK bomb proof easy to source parts had mine 4 years still works only needed minor work. I fell in a pond with the gun and it still works that is a testiment to CYMA
@Tom-td7he That's why he is talking about top tier guns to upgrade. VFC shells are durable enough to support about 30 rps ssg builds. Most after market parts fit. They're externals are probably the best on the market too. So you upgrade gears,piston, put a mosfet and well shimmed and tuned and you have a monster AEG. I have a G&P and VFC like that and haven't failed in years of playing airsoft.
I was lookin at your channel and I see your a fan of louder with Crowder you must have good taste.
I’m getting started in tech I mostly do GBBR stuff but now I’m looking at doing AEG.
My LCT ASVAL actually worked fine for 2 years stock with a bent gearbox shell with QC issues and only discovered the problem when opening it for re-lubing. Quite crazy it took so much stress for so long but there were clear scratcher on the gears. Annoying but impressive it shot so many rounds like that.
shoked you dont mention CYMA or E&L...
not even a question, its fucking cyma, they are without a doubt the best
Why do airsoft barrels need to be crowned? What benefits does it offer? And how should one go about doing it?
Whats ur opinion on ICS and why it didnt make the list or mentions? Bad experiences with the split gearbox? I feel like their externals arent the greatest either
Could you also do a top tier upgrades brands. Like best spring manufacturers would be garter shs loanx matrix. But do that for all of the internal parts of the gearbox and maybe a little external like the barrel and hop up
Maybe a bit biased, I think Krytac externals are better than VFC, very marginally. In my opinion I just feel like the Rec7 was a tank. And when I compared the Avalon vs. Rec7 in store before choosing the Rec7, the externals were what won me. I however feel that the Avalon is better internally, and regret my desicion. Nowadays I wouldn’t pick either, I’d build a gun myself of better quality for a lower investment. Krytac does however lack somewhat in the aftermarket compatibility department.
Vfc’s are better externally. Krytac doesn’t have captured take down pins, individual fake hammer/trigger pins, nicer fake bolts, better buffer tube/castle nut color/feel, and arguably better paint matching/coating, though that last part about paint is slightly hard to compare since krytac doesn’t make some easily compare able guns like 416’s and their weird off brand cousin like vfc makes
@@opairsoft8100 okay, I see your point. I didn’t even think about small details I was thinking along the lines are metal quality and durability.
Hey, dear Arsoft Tech, I`ve learnt everything from your videos and my own practice with one stubborn AR15 that just refuses to work. My question is, what does someone of your experience level think of ICS guns? I just got their PDW9 and it is fire! The externals are a piece of art imho. Would love to get your (and the comment sections) opinion on this brand. Keep up with the videos, they`re a goldmine of reliable knowledge!
Hello, can someone tell me if King Arms is a good platform for upgrades?
I currently have a CYMA M16A4 but im not a big fan of the externals, i considered going for the A&K one but everyone says is practically the same, the E&C ones are out of stock everywhere, and the King Arms M4A1 looks like a decent alternative to all those options.
Hey thanks for this dude. What do you think about Classic Army? I remember back in the day over 10 years ago they were some of the top asg around along side vfc and g&p and i also remember working on some CA and they were pretty good. Whats your take?
Classic Army is terrible for upgrading. They use specific gearbox shell styles that fit into their lower recievers, which are impossible to take in an out without complications. They aren't very sturdy barrel wise overall with the outer and barrel floats. I built a DSG out of one and had too modify the gearbox shell and change every single part out to prevent the entire gearbox from breaking from a weak link part.
hello can i use tienly 45k in my 13:1 build with m120 spring?thank you
Help, I'm looking at the ASG Scorpion, but don't want to end up owning 30 guns. Outdoor play, but want a compact option. Dislike the small mag capacity. Any other recommendation? Own three m4's, one carbine and two cbr's. Thank You!
I agree with vfc and lct but not the biggest fan of g&p. Ran into a fair about of compatibility and figment issues with g&p. Some sleeper brands I would put over g&p and all the honorable mentions is cyma platinum and king arms.
Agreed. VFC makes some of the best and most consistent externals. Most of us end up gutting the internals with what we want anyways so it's not a big deal
G&P has some solid externals and gearbox is pretty solid in my experience, it's the internals of the gearbox that are poop. The motor will most likely fail and the piston and piston head isn't the best. And yea the gears are pretty soft.
I think SHS does some of the best upgrades out there, especially when it comes to gears
G&P made some m14s
good to know, thanks!
Love you to death man. But VFC internals are poop(maby a QC issue) but externally, pretty good. Of course could be better. But better than most
I have e&l 74u and tbh it falls behind cyma when it comes to internals and the problems start right under the top cover (poor fitment). However it works unlike ceracoted 10.5" AR by Dytac.
I have a lct g3 i was hoping you know if the perun v2 hybrid fits in my airsof gun?
So what do you think about the g&g G2 gearbox are they also weak or were you talking about their standard gearboxes?
The G&P sells the I5 gearbox which havea mosfet :)
It would be cool to see you talk about 3d printed bodies like the 3d printable mpx and mcx
I've been researching my first AK and initially it was pretty obvious that LCT is the king, but now I keep seeing a lot of talk about Arcturus being the AK she doesn't tell you about, so I'm struggling with a decision. At half the price of an LCT locally, it's pretty tempting, especially for something that I'll end up gutting and upgrading anyway. Any thoughts or first hand knowledge from the peanut gallery?
AK 12 arcturus is better for that price
My ArcTurus AK is the business. Accurate to 60m, good weight to it. Only had it open to change the Bucking and spring. It has never let me down in the two years I've owned it. But if your going to 'gut and upgrade' why not just get a Cyma? Its a good quality rifle but you know your going to want to change the insides on a Cyma anyway and it will be cheaper still than the Arcturus.
Another awesome video with great information. I know the company I am going to mention is pretty new but I would like to know your thoughts on Lancer Tactical please.
They're absolute piles of trash you're best not to waste money on.
What do u think of dytac ?
I would love to hear your opinion on the lancer tactical proline M4’s
Halo screen nice
I know its late but I hope you had a happy birthday and holidays
LCT master race.
LCT!
Man VFC is literally the worst internals in the airsoft community. I cannot stress how crap they are, externally look amazing but when you spend a large sum of money and then need more upgrades and a full internal change you may aswell go with another brand. The gears strip, wires glued in the cylinder head seals are none. The QC is terrible steer well clear.
For an AK build I built a CYMA 0.41 its bomb proof and the spares are cheap made a DSG build for $180 and its so good.
Lol the only thing good about VFC is the externals. Everything inside is pretty much trash
Their shells, hop ups, barrels, steel bushings from pre Avalon line are decent.
@@opairsoft8100 Some people have had better luck I'm sure. And some pre avalon stuff was ok, but the avalon is vfcs flagship and in most of their guns nowadays so that's what I base my judgement on.
That being said, their plastic hop up is pretty cheap and the c clip breaks easily, steel bushings are just pieces of steel so they should be fine and the avalon bearings are pretty meh. Barrels in general are over priced so any stock one should be fine and vfc uses generic brass ones except for the few that came with the maple leaf bucking and barrels. And the shells are garbage, I've broken several in multiple builds, and vfc themselves had to release a new spring guide because the back of the gearboxes kept blowing on out their Avalon's. It's a weaker rip of the krytac gearbox, down to the stupid spring shimming spur gear, only with more v2 compatibility.
I certainly respect your opinion, but I believe theyre only value is gutting them for the externals.
For M4’s, VFC has the best externals hands down at the price point. Their attention to detail such as the captured receiver pins, individual fake hammer/trigger pins, dust cover/fake bolts. Their paint matching/application is very good, though it is relatively thin ish, which is good and bad.
I find that the next best is krytac, close to the same level of detail as VFC, but isn’t as realistic such the none captured pins and molded hammer/trigger pins. Paint is pretty decent, a little thicker then vfc, but not horrific like GHK.
Evike G&P is absolutely garbage in externals. The fake bolt is JG/A&K/Dboys level quality. The receivers can have massive mold imperfections on the rails. Paint is very very close to GHK level of quality which is thiccc with three c’s. Hammer/trigger pins are meh. Grips don’t have brass inserts for the motor plate screws so that’s a big OOOF. Only real thing that’s interesting about them is the plastic selectors on some models and to a extent the SAI GRY line and possibly the Magpul/vltor line, but even that has meh paint and can still suffer from mold imperfections.
Asia G&P is supposedly better internally and possibly externally, but from what I have seen in Evike G&P, I would not hold my breath.
Man, what happened to you over Christmas?!
1) VFC’s MP5 is probably one of the worst bases for upgrades as the shell is totally proprietary and the mechanical 3 round burst rules out anything like a Gate Titan
2) G&P’s gearbox shells have the WORST reputation for cracking! They do also did sell a gun with a mosfet, the i5 series
3) where’s ICS on your list?
I have Specna Arms, what do you think about that ?
do not feel offended but personally I think that specna arms are overpaid and a bad choice when they cost half the price compared to today's higher prices, they were quite a popular choice, but at least in my area no one speaks well about the specna due to the poor interior and often curves of the body which makes this brand a expensive, but in return it gives a poor gearbox and body with Not certain quality
I can add that few of my friends bought specna's like 3-4 years ago and only one of them was actually satisfied for his model this makes 1 satisfied client to 8 Disappointed this days I hardly can find anybody who dont regret buying specna. I too bought one specna just to check this brand and this shitbox lay under my bed for two years and now I regret buying this
E&L is better than LCT
I do not agree
I think my list would have CYMA, Lancer Tactical as well as G&G, as these companies have all been pushing the envelope with upgraded internals as a whole. All of these have updated stronger gearboxes, most with solid quick change systems (that guns like G&P don’t offer). To my knowledge all three I’ve listed come with full metal rack pinions, often times rotary hop units, and non proprietary trigger units. I’ve been running a lancer tactical proline, as a DSG with the stock gearbox, a BTC spectre (that dropped right in) and an m160. It’s rhopped with the original bucking and hop unit and the stock barrel is fantastic. I’ve since stripped the stock and rail (which were fantastic quality just not my style) and rebuilt a boneyard receiver set and sold that, as well as used the stock ETU unit to upgrade an MP5 and sold that. All still running today
Krytac is not as good as G&P? Come on XD It has better externals than all of the brands in this video.
Better than VFC? Nah
@@A-G-F- internals of vfc are a fxling joke, will never but that
@@MegaChickenPunch
If you live in the UK, i can understand that, but Japan and American VFC models are top tier
@@A-G-F- EU based here
This guy just wanna trigger cyma lovers
E&L? Anyone?
I just bought the ELAR MUR platinum, and i do wonder, who the hell can even compete with that on externals? Real steel grade aluminium cncd body, ton of STEEL including all controls and whole outer barrel and internals are top notch too - steel gears 9mm bearings, one piece steel cilinder... only flaw on that thing is lack of mosfet and fcu