Finally Tried the Native Instruments Maschine+ | My Personal Pros & Cons
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 5. 06. 2022
- Finally Tried the Native Instruments Maschine+. I've been working on it and it's actually fun to use, but it has a few things to work on. I will be listing my personal pros and cons about the unit. Let me know how you feel in comment section!
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Auto Quantization is in file drop down go to preferences then into the general section you have auto quant. Either play/rec or just while you record or off.
Been on the maschine for a while and never knew this, thank you
@@shriveonthetrack YW. I need to drop some tutorials as it seems there aren't much in-depth ones out there.
So basically save the money and get a MK3!
Thanks for your honesty my dude.
Hooking up Fantom : It's in Channel midi settings. you select input and output there.
Auto quantize: Settings > General. Go over one page. You can select quantize on Record or Play / Record (which means it can quantize while you're actually playing)
Acoustic Sounds: Got to Browser > Sounds > Instruments. Select brass/choir/strings/keys etc. Use subtype acoustic if you want
Kontakt sounds: The Maschine plus can't play huge libraries but can play basic libraries. You have to re-export your Kontakt sounds (can't be locked). There are videos on youtube showing.
Thanks !!!!!!!
What's up bolo this is Dutch. Regarding the machine Plus, always get rid of the things that you're not going to use. You got to keep the onboard computer system clear as possible! If you're using one thing in the drum kit, get rid of everything else! That will help you out a lot.
Iâm a Maschine (+) user for years⊠I bought a used live II thinking I was going back home to Akai (since 2000xl). However, I just wasnât able to leave Maschine. Itâs been a year since I got my Live II and Iâm just now really diving into the MPC Software and fully considering a switch. Especially with the update coming. Overall Iâve learned that neither one is better, itâs all preference.
"Preference" well said!
@@savedonthebeat thanks! Just noticed the typo too..lol
Finally got that plus.....sweet!!
Comparability is imperative for all Midi Hardware! This video has provided me with a crystal clear information.
Thank you!
8:00 use patterns and also use âIdeas modeâ. It allows you to play with different patterns to build your different scenes from this page to build your song. Itâs not as hard as you may think. đđ„
Man I like that bolo
Great vid! It took me time to understand the software, but the hardware makes more sense the more you know the software
Thanks
Bolo, great review. Iâve been using the + for about a year now, previously was on the MK3 and I as well use it with the computer 99% of the time because of the issues with the sounds and kontakt instruments. Native Instruments Playbox which is a kontakt instrument is probably one of the dopest releases they have put out which works well with the keyboard you got there and the Maschine. I recommend you check that out
Dope video Bolo, what keyboard and drum machine stand is that? Looks dope
That S61 Mk2 is sweet. I bought it, and Iâm totally satisfied using it with Machine Studio.
Auto quantize is simply setting your grid and making sure the # symbol is active
just about everything you said is valid. i went back to my maschine studios and sold the maschine plus.
they finally gave you one
Bought an MPC Live 2 and Maschine MK3 at the same time (both used units). I find the Maschine MK3 way easier to make progress with as a total newbie. And the entire computer plus hardware based workflow is just tight in comparison to AKAI. Having said that I do like what AKAI is doing (especially with all those updates). I hope AKAI adds even more vocal and effects options for standalone/live performance. This really should be an area that AKAI owns. If I had to buy only one unit it would definitely be a Maschine MK3 (not the plus). Iâm happy that I get to play in both the Native Instruments and AKAI world as they are unique.
Sounds like the X will be back in use really soon!
Heâll go back⊠been a Maschine beta tester for 6 yrs. Purchased an X a little over a year ago and havenât looked back.
@@jackbauer1805 I'm still using my MPC Touch and can't leave it alone! I do, however, wish I never sold my 2000XL
Auto quantize is in the preference settings
Damn Bolo, you may be the first to do a âLearn With Meâ series *trademark* đđ„
You can go to settings and setup up auto quantization. I'm almost sure you can set it up. It's automatically disable so you can use shift and pads to manually quantize.
This is cool. I thought about getting one but the FORCE handles most of my workstation needs, Ableton handles the rest.
Your criticisms are valid. The Maschine+ was my first groove box and I love it, but there are some glaring issues that shouldn't exist at that price point. The crashing and other performance issues have always been a problem and were 10 times worse during the launch of the device, but a few updates helped improve them. The lack of big updates is another issue that puts a sour taste in my mouth since MPC users get frequent updates that add nice features to their devices. I wish that you could easily add more Kontakt sounds to the groove box and I find myself also using this in controller mode more because I have access to more sounds. I also wish you could create and save your own chords which would be easy for them to implement, but they just won't for whatever reason (There is no good reason not to have this feature esp. at this price point). On another note, there are two ways to auto quantize your input. Hit the Settings button and navigate to page 2. From there, you'll see the word Quantize which should probably have 'None' below it. Changing the 'None' to 'Record' or 'Play/Rec' will enable auto quantize. Quantizing while playing is handled differently from quantizing while recording. I'd look into the manual for more info.
Thanks!!!! For the Auto Quantize!!!
I used a few other groove boxes before Maschine plus, Roland MC101, and MV1 so for me the Maschine plus was like a dream except for all the crashes I had, works much better after the update 1.4 though but it's so hard to get your projects with ease to Logic Pro. They do not seem to be super good at support either and that is so frustrating I bought some plugins and VST and it was not clear to me that it is not working on the Maschine plus, how do I know what I buy will work on the plus?? Again, NI is not really communicating that well? No good support email and phone number?
Your thoughts are better than this dude's review lol
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I don't understand the M+. The MK3 and a laptop can do anything a M+ can, and are about as standalone as the M+, but with al the perks of using the Maschine software and any VST you want. The M+ offers a watered down version of all that, but at twice the price, and doesn't seem to be a very stable device neither. I love the NI software and hardware, don't get me wrong, but besides using a Machine without a computer, I think the M+ does not makes much sense. I'll happily continue using my MK3, almost bug free and crash free for 4 years now.
Its so nice to be able to use the Plus without a computer at times, I love that experience a lot but I get what you are saying, NI should have done better but I love the Maschine+
@Ed MđŻ
After a couple of updates, itâs a little more stable.plus the new features help with adding more instruments without overloading the CPU now.
Totally fair. But the argument would be that the M+, when connected to a computer, can do everything the MK3 can do yet it can also work in standalone (while having limitations). If thatâs worth the price difference to someone is totally up to them, but itâs not really an either/or situation since the Plus serves both roles. That being said, youâre totally right in that itâs not like the Maschine wasnât already portable with a laptop.
@@BeauTylerMakesMusic I hope they make the M+ more powerful over time with better software updates and a much easier song mode for vocals and other instruments you record across the whole song. A great phone and Ipad integration could take the portable solution to the next level maybe? I'm surprised that it's not happening already, it could make it a lot easier to do a lot of things and have an amazing overview of all that you do, and add touch solutions in a very small package. Even be powered by the iPad, woooow, cmooooon NI!!!
I've got the first MPC Live. I've had it since they came out in 2017. I'm still rocking on this thing! I haven't had any of the problems you are saying about machine +. Also Akai updates once to twice a year and it just keeps getting better. I can take it anywhere without a power cord or battery pack and make beats. Also I dont have to have my laptop at all....and when I use my computer it makes it save and load twice as fast. So...i think I'll stick with Akai.... ive made more music in 5 years on the LIVE than I have in 35 yearsđ....Shits dope yallâ
I've had my + for about 2 weeks now. I have it paired up with the Korg chrome. Going through my Tascam 32 track. I believe you have the same keyboard. If so how do you run it through the + . Having a hard time. Any information would be greatly appreciated đđŸ. Keep the videos coming
For the price for a Maschine +, or any Maschine for that matter we definitely need a recordable performance mode to capture all fader and knob movements in real time, along with tracks mutes in either song or ideas mode, if they NI can nail that, then Iâd be like this it right here! But, until then, Iâll just render all midi to audio and export into Potools and cut n paste until I pass out. đ€Łđ
I had loads of crashes before, but the latest Firmware and update seem a lot better! And dude, get Crate Cuts... it's incredible!! (expansion)
Yo. For the crashes. What SD card are you using? When I switched it out with a much more high quality SD card to pull my samples from I havenât had as single freeze since. :)
As for keyboard connectivity, I usually use my Komplete Kontrol which has zero problems for obvious reasons. But Iâve also had no problem connecting my Akai keyboards as well. I havenât used your keyboard though.a
Anyway, just figured Iâd mention those just in case they helped. Great video homie
its funny I have a maschine mk3 so when bolo got the plus I was excited like oh ok big homie bout to show me all the cheat codes. but over the weekend i went ahead and pulled the trigger on the MPC live ii. now all I want is live 2 content cause im tryna learn this bih hahaha keep up the great vids big homie we all learning
Brah I did the same but I use maschine more.
I got ya homieâŠ
Need that MPC comparison once you get comfortable.
When youâre in the sound bank there is a instruments option in there. Your natural sounds and a lot of other sounds are there. Also fwiw itâs a maschine product that you can load every maschine expansion into it. We may eventually get more vsts but those are part of Komplete and it may be a little unfair to expect all of that to work inside maschine. I believe the biggest glaring problem is the crashing and it seems directly related to the md drive. And now Iâve got to go see about the auto quantize I assumed it was there but havenât checked. Iâm glad not to have the touch screen. lol donât like how the touch on mpc still has a bunch of menu diving and not very muscle memory friendly.
AKAI IN LOVE WITH HIP HOP STYLES LONG TIME AGO. SOUNDS OF AKAI RULES THE PLANET!!! SOUND OF AKAI ENERGIZE THOUGHT....
What up BoLO! As far as locking up, try going to the NI website and update to the latest drivers. That worked for me and I haven't had that problem in years.
Did that already đȘđŸ
@@BoloDaProducer Well Damn!!!
I'm a longtime mpc and DAW guy, been playing the maschine software some lately and I like it but it's def a new system with the groups and all. I use it in Logic or standalone software and bounce it over to logic. The expansion sounds are fire but hard to use just cause they come in pre made beats, just seems weird taking parts out of another person's beats.
I am also a long time battery user which is how I got into it!
God bless, greetings brother. Does the new update allow one to preview/audition the plugin sound presets & can a midi keyboard be affected by the note repeat/arp, thanks? đđœâđœđȘđœâĄđ„đ„đ«âš
Tips against crashing:
1. Get a fast SD card, the ones that comes with it is a cheap/shitty one. Get one of the Extreme Pro's from Sandisk
2. Get on the latest software version (1.4) this fixed a lot of issues
3. Make sure your library is scanned before putting it through heavy use
Library scanned? What does that mean?
Did 1,2,and 3
@Bolo Da Producer for navigating the Maschine+ hardware check out Jeff Gibbons' channel. He does a decent walkthrough that should help. After that it'll come down to repetition and muscle memory. He even goes over multiple selections, copy/paste, etc. . -Peace
Thanks! I already follow him, heâs dope!
Hi Bolo, I read many times that the provided Micro SD card inside the SD card adaptor leads to those crashes.
I replaced it with a good, fast, branded big SD card and I don't experience the crashes.
Backyard Jams, Soul Magic, Crate Cuts, DJ Khalil, and Certified Gold sound packs are dope. Start in ideas mode at all times and if you need natural instruments they have the packs for those like Alicia's Keys and their AbbeyRoad drummer packs too. The standalone is cool but the MK3 is better with a computer hands down and you'll save money. The standalone is more for live performing like beat battles.
Power brother, you need to update your Maschine+ to highest update to avoid crashes. The sounds are all unlocked when using the Maschine+ with the software, as they are working on having all the sounds available for Hardware. Mp3 (compressed files) is a lower quality then Wav/Aiff (as they are uncompressed files). đđœâđœđȘđœâĄđ„đ„đ«âš
I did still crashing
How do you with ease get a project from the Plus to Logic pro? I have only found very complicated workflows, while with my Roland MV1 I just plug it in to my computer via USB and transfer it all to Logic
Which do you like better MK3 or the plus?
yo good review Bolo! also, where did you get your stand for the Maschine?
Here ya go! amzn.to/3Q7g3Kz
@@BoloDaProducer thanks fam!
Yooo!
can you a video on how to make a beat from start to finish, how to line everything up and how to structure it. I'm having trouble with that and it causing me to not finish my beats.
Iâm sticking to the mk3/studio theyâre itâs pretty much stable on my old ass windows laptop and prolly the best thing since the mpc4k .I hate editing in Maschine.auto quantize shift + grid. Then select the quan tide you want. Then if you want to quantize after the fact shift then pad 5 I think. As far as the clips thereâs an easier way. I need to be sitting in front of it. The export to wav is because the export is meant to go to your DAW for further editing and processing but once you mastered the unit you cantrack it out damnnear perfect ready for the lyrics to get slapped on top
I like the machine plus a lot. Itâs really nice for what it is. Personally after having both. I went to kit maker and turned all my Maschine kits into Mpc kits the sounds got even richer! Needless to say I sold the machine and kept the mpc. The best of both worlds in one. Mpc just got to far ahead and this particular Maschine will never catch it.
So what is so much better on the MPC, the workflow and the ease of use is amazing on the Maschine if.you ask me
@@magnuseriksson8081 in my opinion when you can take one and use both sounds from both libraries hardly no crashes and constant updates it makes for a better experience of course it comes down to preference. By the old saying goes work smarter not harder
@@bigbeardt98 I just love the controls on the Maschine, the overview and the workflow, the interface, and the way of working seems a bit old school and clunky to me on the MPC? Is it?
@@magnuseriksson8081 is definitely a smoother work flow on the Maschine. The final destination is kind of what separates it. If they had track and pad mutes more 3 party sound friendly and could export mp3 ands better arranger
I would definitely use it hands down. Itâs sleek it gorgeous itâs fun. Hopefully they have massive updates for it. But all Iâm all it is dope!
Iâm having trouble figuring out what sounds come stock with this and mpc. Is it just drums and pads , or is there more? Please help.
I'm perfectly fine with using my Maschine Studio with Komplete Ultimate..
Man Bolo.... i gave up on maschine when they had released the MK2 ... that's like 10 years ago or so. It was crashing a lot back then.
Maschine doesn't play nice with external MIDI gear! The way to configure MIDI gear still feels like an afterthought despite all of the updates and revisions.
Don't get me wrong. The MASCHINE workflow is legit! It is fast and efficient. The time consuming things are looking for and shaping sounds.... you can easily lose inspiration digging through the infinite amount of sounds they provide...
What i realized after using it for so many years is I don't need all the stuff they give.... that's when I decided to go back to the MPC.
Have you updated the firmware? That should fix a lot of the crashing issues. Also to improve the browsing for custom samples you need to categorize them in the Maschine software.
Yep did that.
Nice video. I'm a MK3 user, so I appreciate hearing the differences between it and the plus. In regards to turning Auto quantize on and off, if you click the Settings button, then use the right arrow above it to get to the next page, you should see Quantize. You can then set the mode to Play/Rec, Rec or None.
Thanks!!!
Using it with computer is diffently the best way to go ...use idea mode then export to a daw (Studio one for me)...same workflow when I use MPC. I don't try to force & make either device a daw when thier both far from it .
The crash issue is from the latest update. I have the same issue on the M+ when I try previewing some sounds from the Library on the computer. That's actually a real problem lately but It's an update issue.
Same here I use it more like a MK3 but that's me.
Now for the Kontakt and other plugin in the M+ that thing is still new and they still developping a way to add the whole Komplete in this. For now It's Massive and some light stuff but non serious Plug In yet.
It may have to do with the internal CPU.
Now to Hook up with another daw you can get away with the midi settings but in reality it's a whole other nerd thing with the Controller Editor app to set up the Maschine properly. Actually I have some template with Studio One on my Drivensounds CZcams Channel (and some sounds too).
And you just gave me an idea too....
(From that same guy than last Time)
Bolo I'm kinda behind on the Beat Review... as far as getting in. I know it's by 1pm friday right??? Anyway what is the page I go to for that? Thank you sir! I'm being a lil slow in this area lol!
www.bolodaproducer.com/book-online
Someone let me borrow their M+ to see if I'd like it (faithful MK3 user) and I didn't like it. It has potential, but I ran into some of the things you didn't like about it and I also used it more with a computer. So I'd just rather stick to the MK3 until they fix a lot of this issues (or come out with the M+ MK2).
see theres pros & cons with all the hardware & software even me with a MPC One
True
Bolo, You have to put external sounds and banks on a SD card..
Yes
Have you checked if your firmware is up to date? Maybe an update might solve your crashing issues. But there are many reports about crashes on the Maschine+ on the web.
Yes it did
They have good natural sounding piano in their expansion packs like The Gentlemen and Aliciaâs Keys.
I got the gentleman but it doesnât work in standalone mode
As far as Kontakt instruments, Maschine+ can only use those saved in Kontakt 5 format. If it was created or re-saved with Kontakt 6, Machine+ canât load it
hi.I have M + it happens to me that it is in standalone aia in vontroller as soon as I connect it to the pc from the audio outputs a very annoying hiss / noise comes out from the headphone output nothing, perfect audio. I tried them all and followed all the advice of native but nothing. can you help me? thank you. louis
MK3 Hands down, I agree with a lot of yâall the plus is useless. I have all my sounds on computer and thatâs all i need. I stop using MPC II all together. Iâm currently learning Abelton Live.
Ableton next
You have to get Komplete 13
I got it
I don't like it lol truthfully just got on to finally learning the MPC and it's for me. Years ago a friend lending me a Machine to make beats for the crew I couldn't get with it, went back to FL Studio to get the job done. So you ask me, just too complicated plus I love working the MPC once you get it, it's awesome! I know it's totally different but I just wasn't able to get with it...
MPC World versus Native Instruments World đ€ NI Maschine -> Komplete Select -> Komplete 13 can be a slightly more expensive journey, but itâs huge and diverse compared to Akai MPC who have really fallen behind on expansions, instruments and software. Partly âcause NI has 200+ partners who comply with *.NKS Kontact standard. Still, Akai MPC was the innovator for these hardware devices and deserve respect.
you got to dig deep bro bro!! This thing is fire!!!!
It's your M1 chip Bolo. Maschine never had these issues. Still doesn't on Intel chips. It's unfortunate ever since I received my M1 Max been nothing but crashes.
It not hooked up to my computer
@@BoloDaProducer lol
Yo just USB your MIDI Keyboard to Mac/PC. Since you have Kontrol Keyboard your MIDI keyboard will follow the Kontrol Keyboard. If you don't have Kontrol Keyboard "On" then your MIDI keyboard will act Generic inside Maschine. No MIDI cables needed, just make sure Kontrol Keyboard is powered on and all MIDI keyboards will follow KK Keyboard and features. Only sounds Preview for NKS files. Open Massive and Kontakt standalone setup library then when back in Maschine. When you open the plugin the 3rd party presets will be in there not in Maschine browser. Only when you right-click save sound in Maschine preset will be in User browser. Yea only after Maschine is when them 3rd party Kontakt disappear in main Library view. You have to use Database view where you'll search instruments of Library that's not in the Library view.
I think native instruments software and hardware is great but I think they shouldâve put more thought into a 1300 dollar stand alone wasnât it like 1400 at launch ? The mpc live II is the way to go stand alone
Shift +quantize in the pad..
Input Quantize homieâŠ
@@BoloDaProducer???.... I don't even remember the conversation!.... đ€....
The Komplete S61 is a W!
Maschine+ is a L they marketed it as atandolne but it doesn't have a removable battery so it's not standalone coz u need A/C power
The crashing isn't your fault, it's capped with 4Gb of Ram & A Low Powered Processor
Some of NI's own plugins have issues on it
Both MPC and Maschiine dont have active cooling. Those displays heat up,i bought some small usb fans and slid them on the sides.. No crash yet..but no active cooling is a big issue!
the crash on my mk3 fucked me up. this is unbeliveble.... before i buy this i saw 9wonther have this, havpoc have this, but i have mk3 on 16 months!!! and every 1-2 months crash!!! i think i switch to mpc one.
I thought on maybe getting an old mark 3 if the price was right, but the Machine plus⊠nah, it just seemed to miss the mark, being way to overpriced for what it does like you was saying Iâd probably just use it as a controller anyways!? As far as the sounds I just got kit maker for like 30 bucks and convert the NI expansions to MPC format complete with previews and for the picture to show in my expansions browser I just run the expansions through MPCs expansion builder and add in the artwork, thatâs it, now itâs just a NI expansion that loads up just like one from Akai.
You wonât regret getting an MK3.
@@watchandproduce just curious, is the MK 3 worth the extra cash or would the mini be close enough to the workflow of the MK 3 minus the screen?
The work flow is way better than maschine I had an mk3 but I sold all of my native instruments gear now I strictly use MPC
Ill stick with my maschine micro. This device isnt for me since i only work in my studio with a computer. I downgraded from an original full size maschine 1 (Still have it in box) and moved to the Micro which is sufficient for my workflow. I just use ideas mode to sketch things out and then export into Ableton. Occasionally ill use Maschine in Ableton itself but i prefer using them separately.
Would you go back to the Maschine Mk3 after using Maschine+
Yes
Thank you for addressing the elephant đđ in the room. đđŸđđŸđđŸđđŸđđŸ. At the end of the day, always go with the gear that works best with your music workflow.
I have the Maschine Minus! (-) Hahahahahaha I am just a poor guy! Are you listening #NativeInstruments ?
đ§I got Maschine Studio and crashing is something I donât need
I tried it didnât love it MPC gang for life .. as of now
Itâs like ps vs Xbox
Iâm so torn. I love the maschine plus but the cpu issue man. I know they are going to hit with an upgraded hardware instead of supporting this product correctly.
If they do, it's time for the consumer law to kick in, they can't go on selling a product they know is not working well and stop supporting it, I got a 3-year warranty, and I will claim my warranty if they do not focus on this hardware in the future. I am surprised that they are not in trouble already, it's been going on for so long, so much better with the latest update though,. 1.4, much better but not perfect. I hope to see another update within a couple of months (dreaming). Love the unit so I do really hope NI improve their customer relationships and will be much better at supporting their customers
Maschine Plus does not allow you to use third party sounds or vst's period! Only NI stuff!
Bruh what kind of stand is that you have your keyboard and maschine on
Sounds like a no buy, I have komplete other than being so dam big it's cool. Nerds are clearly over taxed, if their not players or producers themselves. They will leave some stuff out that is simple but really important.
So in other words I am not buying this lol. Honest review gets a big like bro đđŒđđŒâđŒ God bless BOLO!!
I have Komplete 13 Ultimate Collectors edition. Iâve bought about 30 expansions on top of that. Check out DDS(Dave Smith) out of Detroit. Heâs on here. I actually bought his course. I found a lot of great info through him.
Getsmore here. You can use all of your vsts as long as you donât do the latest Mac updates. Iâm still on 14.? Cuz 32 bit vsts donât work on the newest updates(15.). Iâve probably only crashed 15 times in the last couple years. I love the auto save update. Still some kinks to work out, but still a life saver. Also Jeff Gibbons has so great content
I was talking about using them in standalone on Maschine +
lol nobody i know - nice
No your not missing anything, this is one that everyone has issues with.
Iâm done with Native
Tell me why?
@@magnuseriksson8081 1. Poor customer service 2. Poor customer service 3. Poorest customer service and guess what?đđżZero customer services.
@@walterpreston9663 I mentioned that on the Facebook group for Maschine and I think a NI guy told me, that complaining does not help anyone, that's how they see it I guess, I just want the things I paid for and that it all works as promised. for the 1400USD I paid
@@magnuseriksson8081 He basically told both You And Everyone else to shop somewhere better. đ«Ą
mine never crash. make sure your up to date
Bro idk why the plus and mk3 crashes on you Iâve never had those issues ever no restarting or crashes etc⊠đ€·đŸââïž
Same here.
They did have them!... They money grabbed!... That's why I stopped buying from them!... They had all natural pianos at one time before they pulled them...
That thing has a Trash foundation. An Old dual core processor. No update will help. Better off with the mk3 and a nice laptop
Much better after the last update