Rheem Hybrid Heat-Pump Water Heater, Thoughts after the First Month
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- Now that I've been using this Rheem water heater for a full month, here are my thoughts and opinions. I've replaced my 6-gallon off-grid electric water heater with a new 50-gallon hybrid (heat pump) water heater. This new water heater will run fully off-grid and am hoping will help significantly reduce my electrical consumption.
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Excellent presentation and superior analysis. You covered all the questions I had about this type of system. Thank you so much.
I installed the 80 gal version of this same water heater 6 months ago. It's working flawlessly in our basement pantry area and keeps the area at about 60 degrees. I special ordered the 80 gal 15 amp unit specifically to use on our off grid Solar system for emergency or long term power outages. It replaced 12 year old unit that used 78% more electricity than the hybrid unit. We're operating the new water heater in the Heat Pump mode only. With a family of 4 we have never ran out of hot water. It only draws 360 watts in heat pump mode and has lowered our Electric bill by 35%. I'm still in the process of installing the new solar system which is only a 6 KW system with a 4kw solar array and about 9 kw Battery storage. I expect to lower my power bill another 30% with the solar system. My average monthly use is about 3.2 kw per month for this amazing hot water heater. Our initial investment was $2,000 dollars. With sale pricing and rebates our end cost was $900. Payback is about 16 months. This is a great choice for a cost effective high efficiency hybrid water heater. We can't even hear this unit run with our installation. It's under our utility room and is in a insulated pantry in the basement. I will probably install ductwork to the utility room for warmer air intake. The cold air exhaust into the pantry is perfect for our setup. It's still l preserving our winter squash from last years garden. The Bluetooth app is a great addition to this unit and I check it's performance regularly. It removes the humidity from our basement and I have yet to run my dehumidifier since the install.
I'm extremely impressed with this amazing hot water heater. With a 10 year warranty and it's low cost operating expenses, I highly recommend everyone should be using these units. Just hoping it will last at least 8 to 10 years.
It's was nice to see someone else who is using this unit and posting it on CZcams. Great video!
Thanks for sharing!
How were you able to order the 15a version? I looked everywhere but no one seems to have them
Which model exactly do you have? What is the noise level?
@@ToddS162 I have the 80 gal 15 Amp model. I think only runs on heat pump mode which operates at about 360 watts. The recovery time is slower but our family of 4 never runs out of hot water. Operates for about 40 cents a day. Lowered our electric bill by 38% the first year of operation. I highly recommend this unit, it works great with our small solar system. When we bought ours 2 years ago with all the discounts, rebates, and tax credits we paid about $950. They now list at $2500 at our local Menards.
We don't notice any noise because it's located in our basement
Good luck 👍
Is it better than a condensing Tankless water heater?
@@gavindmello Depends on what you're trying to achieve. I'm rural so I have 2 options either propane or electric. An on demand propane water heater would cost me about 6 times as much to operate. In a grid down scenario I would still be able to have hot water with my solar system as long as I continue to have water.
At $.40 a day for 80 gallons of hot water, I don't know of anything less expensive other than a geothermal looped system tied to your water heater. I know because I had one for 11 years.
I have had one of these Rheem hybrid since 2017. I use it to heat the incoming city water, it is then fed into a Rheem Marathon. The theory is the hybrid does the bulk of the heating and the Marathon then only has to maintain. These two water heaters together are used to provide hot water for a 4 unit apartment building. No one has ever run out of hot water since they were installed.
I vent the exhaust out of the hybrid up through the floor to cool an electronics room, which is a nice benefit.
When I originally purchased I estimated my payback time was about 4 years, if my calculations were correct the extra costs involved should be paid back by now.
The only problem I have had was the amount of dust being sucked into the hybrid from the room it is in. I ended up building a little pipe with a furnace air filter on the end, to filter the incoming air. That has taken care of my dust buildup issues, just changing the filter every 6 months or so and the hybrid is clean and happy.
Love my heat pump water heater here in GA! It cools my basement and dehumidifies as well. In the winter when I occasionally use my basement wood furnace, it uses the wood heat to transfer into the water heater. Bought a GE 10 yrs ago and it developed a crack in the basin that collects condensate off of the condenser unit and since I did NOT have a leak pan, it caused a small flood. Switched to totally electric mode and will replace it with the 80 gal RHEEM from HD. The GE had to be serviced under warranty and now a defect in the plastic resulted in a crack that now causes it to leak condensate. Make sure you have a pan under the unit and/or leak detection monitors.
Where in Ga ga a basement? I’m in Glynn county
@@johnsparks6949 The mountains, up thar with the gold!
That's an awesome review. I love hearing the details on objects most people take for granted.
*granite...
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I have a previous version of the Rheem unit - 80 gallon version from Home Depot. Installed it in Jan 2020 and have it set to 125F on heat pump only mode in a new build home in Florida (the unit is in a garage) - aside from a few times of high demand with deep cleaning a large shower and doing multiple loads of laundry, it has stayed on heat-pump mode. Last year, the unit consumed 684.94 kWh of electricity. So far this year, we are at 377.88 kWh. We are entering the summer months which drives down the energy usage since the garage is so much warmer and we tend to take cooler, shorter showers during these months. Plus, laundry is shorts, t-shirts and bathing suits which cuts down on the amount of water usage as well. All in all, I spent less than $90 on electricity for the water heater in 2020. The old version was a 50-gallon, dual element electric unit that was rated at nearly $400 annual cost to operate - and 30 gallons less capacity.
Did you notice a temperature drop in your garage? If so how much?
@@9thousandwatts yes-it just depends on how much the water heater runs but in the summertime, there is a noticeable difference and walking into the garage is noticeably cooler and less humid. It won’t get over 82° in the summer in there (south facing, 400 sq Ft, double door w/windows)
I have had the Rheem 60 gallon water heater for seven months, with just my wife and I, we use on average less than 2 kW-hours of electricity per day which is about 20 cents. Our monthly usage is less than 60 kW-hours which is about $6-7. It definitely is saving energy compared to the traditional electric heater.
Great to hear! If I may ask, is yours in the basement too? Did you do any kind of ducting or anything?
Nice! Geez... how I wish my electricity cost $0.10 per kwh!
@@mockingbird187 PG&E in Norcal, Jan 2022...... 26 cents per kilowatt hour Tier 1, then if you use more that the pathetic low limit around 3 weeks into the month it goes to 35 cents a kilowatt hour. Enjoy your cheap power.
@@kimmer6 I'm in San Diego.
Winter
on-peak = $0.55
off-peak = $0.48
super off-peak = $0.46
What a rip-off.
@@mockingbird187 Holy smokes! Robbery!
I installed the 50 gal Rheem in Dec in my all electric PNW home. It is located in my below ground garage.. Due to the 70db noise level I felt the unit was defective since they advertised 49dBL. Currently on my third unit and realized it was not going to be any quieter. It is only two of us in the household and have not had any issues with not having hot water. I initially set mine for 120 degrees. We quickly realized the water was hotter than what my legacy 50 gal was set ( legacy 50gal heater was10 yrs old and rated $500 a year in energy). Lowered it to 118 and then from 10:30pm to 6:00am it is scheduled at 112 degrees. A couple of days ago changed the schedule to 116 day and 110 at night. Also run in energy saver mode with geofencing active as well. We are retired so mostly home throughout the day. As a comparison my MAY usage 72.01kWh. A significant saving over your unit. I would suggest stepping through lowering your set point to determine your actual need to meet your family’s usage. Set at 130 you are heating the water and then using cold water to bring it down to a temperature that is safe for skin contact. In our RV with an instant hot water heater we found setting it to 110 with no cold water was perfect for our showers. I should noted I have 6.03kWh of solar, a smart Nest thermostat and now the Rheem. In May I had a $10 electric bill and my most recent we supplied electricity to the grid. Thanks for posting and please do some playing around with your settings.
You’re NUTS if you keep FIFTY gallons of water hot ALL THE TIME!!!
@@traybern my electric bill is about $100 a year to run this. The app schedules it from 10pm to 6am at 114 degrees. Currently during prime hrs set at 117 degrees. No complaints.
Do understand that feeding cooler water to a dishwasher will increase electricity usage by causing the heating unit in the dishwasher to come on.
@@paulsylvester1394 who adds cold water into a dish washer? And yes the dish washer will heat as necessary to meet its needs.
Just ordered the 65 gallon version and so excited to run this off my LG solar panels! Free hot water!
Great honest review and comment video. I just installed this unit in my 2 car garage here in North Florida. I’m one of those rare people that actually use my garage to keep my wife’s and my car in daily. So my idea was to use the waste heat from those cars to assist in heating my water in the evening, and also cooling down my garage. I did have one glitch over the first night. When I started the unit I put it in high use mode to force it to run the elements and the compressor to rapidly bring the water to temperature. Afterwards, I put it back in Eco mode just before bedtime. Woke up the next morning to no hot water. Called Rheem, they walked me through some troubleshooting. As soon as I touched the keypad, the compressor started and the unit has worked normally ever since. At lest for the last 4 days. So far with my family of three, it has only used the compressor to heat the water.
It sounds kind of Rube Goldberg-ish.... But I would love to hear about what efficiency gains you get from it? Such as using the latent heat from your vehicle versus ambient temperature. Below are some of my ideas on the subject matter .
Heat-Pump based appliances, in the home on their own tend to be very efficient. But it begs a question, when are we going to see manufacturers integrate them, to exponentially increase their overall efficiency? By using waste (such as heat) as a resource.
For example, a refrigerator producers waste heat at about the same temperature as a water heater. And then there are heat pumps used for HVAC.
Yes, it adds some complexity, that I'm not going to go into detail here about. But it also adds the possibility of simplification and additional synergies too.
Heat-Pump Water Heaters are one more step in the right direction. Let's hope to see some more steps taken soon.
Did you notice a temperature drop in your garage? If so how much?
You live in the free state of florida and you installed a heat pump? As a san francisco plumber I suggest you get a normal gas water heater and pray to the lord the democrats don't take over florida! Lol enjoy your freedom buddy while you can!! 😆 🤣
Yea that's because anything electrical these days is designed to fail. Stupid liberals just want to buy bells and whistles rather than reliability. I guess reality and reliability don't co exist to some people coming from the left...
i have had mine 7 years, love it. I installed in Garage, no flue needed.
To reduce noise transferring to the living space you may consider adding some studio sound absorbing foam in your garage or wherever your tank is located
Thanks for the info,looking for a new system,and I'm vacuuming all I can find.
Thanks for posting this very informative video. I am looking to replace an old oil fired water heater here in Nova Scotia.
It works much better/more efficient in hot humid weather. It will run longer in the winter. I have had mine for 4 years now. My basement garage is cooler when it runs. Great video
We installed a 50 gallon version and it uses about 3 kWh per day as well… three people in the house too. Instead of a second tank, we have a thermostatic mixing valve installed with Rheem set at 140. Using it in a basement that’s always 65 degrees and don’t notice much a temp drop in the basement; We’ll see for sure in the winter!
How was it in the winter? Thanks
How was it in the winter?
We've had this water heater since November 2019 and bought it for the same price as a standard 50 gallon water heater after an instant rebate from our electric company. Our electric bill has gone down substantially since installing the Rheem.
You got lucky. I have Orange and Rockland and they only have a 300$ non instant rebate.
You paid for that rebate and then some by the electric co scamming you (see energy efficiency charge). Fuck them and every level of govt.
We installed a Rheem 50 gal Hybrid water heater 12 years ago and have never regretted it. We immediately saved $20 - $30 per month. We were able to buy it on sale and after electric company rebate and federal tax credit the unit cost us $0.00 (I installed the unit). There are only the two of us but we have had as many as 7 in the house and never ran out of water or had the electric coils kick in. Rheem exceeded my expectations with this unit.
Thanks, learning more everyday
This was an exact replacement for the old one that lasted about 10 years. czcams.com/users/postUgkx7yWIKcrbA9KMHkGSfcgxW2lsjHT6B8Sh The top of my mitigation tube by my roofline was just a 90 elbow which allowed too much debris to fall down into the fan, eventually ruining it. Without this issue, I bet it would have kept running another 10 years. When I replaced this fan, I added an extra elbow joint so the top tube now it does a 180, which should solve that problem. The radon guys around here wanted to charge me a $300 diagnostic fee, then parts/labor (probably close to $600 total). I installed this all by myself in about an hour for the cost of the fan; it would probably be even easier/faster with two people. FYI the manufacturer's warranty greatly differs depending on whether you install it yourself (1 yr warranty) or have a licensed installer do it (10 yrs).
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Great review! Thank you!
Thanks for the review ….. I’m considering replacing my propane hot water heater with the hybrid unit.
I also have one of these and I concur with your assessment of it. I’m off grid and it is amazing how efficient this is compared to a standard electric water heater.
Heat-Pump based appliances, in the home on their own tend to be very efficient. But it begs a question, when are we going to see manufacturers integrate them, to exponentially increase their overall efficiency? By using waste (such as heat) as a resource.
For example, a refrigerator producers waste heat at about the same temperature as a water heater. And then there are heat pumps used for HVAC.
Yes, it adds some complexity, that I'm not going to go into detail here about. But it also adds the possibility of simplification and additional synergies too.
Heat-Pump Water Heaters are one more step in the right direction. Let's hope you see some more steps taken soon.
@@nc3826 This is what we expect Tesla to attempt soon enough. A combined AC/waterheater+ system.
@@colinfagan Tesla takes an opposite approach .... which results in some very complex parts (but it does improve efficiency).... which would become even more complex in a home HVAC system....
BTW who is the "we", that you are referring to, that are expecting Tesla to make this attempt?
Lastly, based on Tesla's track record for producing integrated solar shingles.... You should not hold your breath....
Great video Mike. Very interesting heater that I have not seen too much of here in Australia.
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We are a two person household. In the summer it’s about 1/4 the cost (19kwh/week!) to operate of my old water heater. In the winter it’s about 1/3 the cost compared to the old one. Yes it was more expensive $1079 for 45 gallon and $196 in parts to install, but I will most definitely make the money back in a couple years. I’m just floored by the difference in our electric bills. Running it at 110deg most the day (change temp schedule via Wi-Fi). It comes on to 125deg (otherwise we run out of hot water) around 3pm-7:30pm(back down to 110deg normally just as 2nd person starts their shower).We’ve gotten in the habit of trying to run dw and take showers only in this window. It’s in the garage so we run it on heat pump only in the summer as it runs efficiently in a hot humid garage. In the winter we run it on energy saver (elements and heat pump). Highly recommend especially if your state offers a rebate.
good vid. If you have Peltier dehumidifier running down there the waste heat (about 500-600W for a basic domestic model) will be powering the heat exchanger too, so you could see a power bill reduction there.
I have the 50 gallon Rheem Heat Pump Water Heater too. Last year for the entire year our family of 6 used 402 KWH of power at $0.11 a KWH which cost us only $45.00 for the entire year for how water! We also have a 2500w solar panel grid tied system and that would mean our solar panel system paid for the water heater use for sure. It has been a fantastic water heater. No complaints or issues. I will perform a flush on ours soon. I have two scale inhibitors in our water system and a whole house 3M filter which has scale inhibitors as well so I am hoping and praying that continues to lessen the scale within the heater. Before our filtration we would have 6-10 inches of scale every few years within our tank which I would suck out with a piece of electrical Carflex and a wet vac.
One other note. Usually for us we have the temp sitting at 115 degrees normally and once in a while to 120-130 of my wife needs to wash a lot of dishes by hand. We have never had an issue with the water set to 115. We did however when we had it set to 110. At 110 it would not recover quickly enough with back to back baths or showers. I know for certain we're are saving energy and money with having it set to 115 instead of 120-130+.
We also use this in Central Florida so this works fantastic for us in our laundry room which is in our house. We leave the door open and it cools the back half of our house too!
I have the exact same unit running in New England in my basement. My experience with humidification has been excellent. I don't use my dehumidifier any longer. However, I did pipe the air discharge to 6 inches off my floor in the pipe my air intake to 6 inches off the ceiling this ensures I always have at least 3° of differential or greater between inlet and outlet. as for the harmonics I connected mine at the hot and cold water lines with isolation, nipples "flexible, elements" in this way theres is no attenuation in the piping network .
Thanks for the follow up video.
Nice, will need to consider one of these.
Just got this installed to replace the old gas heater and it is the best water heater to get.
Thanks for the video! I bought and installed one of these units because of your videos and I'm very happy with it so far :)
Thank you for the review. I'm considering this water heater for the 80 gallon version of this one. the house that I'm buying has a propane water heater which I'm sure is going to be much more expensive. my water heater will be in the garage and cooling the garage would be a good thing because I like to make wine and I'll keep my wine in the garage to keep it cool. thank you
To maintain temperatures between the 2 tanks, you could put a circulating pump between the 2 and have it run if you wanted to get the hot water into the second tank...
In The South this is brilliant. Our water heater is in the garage and can t wait to replace it with one of these. It ll cool the garage until i open the garage of course.
Used to live in San Diego, can't believe how much electricity has gone up there. Now in Ontario, Canada and pay about US$0.05/kWh off peak. Enjoying our new heat pump HVAC and heating the house for C$1/day in the winter! 👍
Electricity only getting worse with all those useless electric cars too
The fact that it air conditions while heating water, is perfect for southern states that Rarely need heaters in the house and do need AC Cooling most of the year.
I live in a northern climate, so not so good.
@@srobeck77 you put it in an unconditioned space such as a basement. Or in your furnace room. It will only cool the immediate area and is still much more efficient than a standard electric.
We've had one for about 1.5 years in our garage in Phoenix. Works great. Saves a lot of energy. And cools our garage! (a little bit)
How much of a temperature difference would you say?
@@9thousandwatts We have a 3-car garage, with the WH in a corner. It doesn't run enough to make a sustained difference in the temperature of the whole garage. Mainly it's nice when I'm working over in that corner while it happens to be running. It provides a nice cool breeze.
I live in Queensland Australia so a solar HWS can be ideal. My 16 year old one is being replaced this month. My 320L storage tank is located on the ground close to where most hot water is used. That tank can be recharged with power after prolonged rainy days. My previous solar system was about 80% efficient. So I got free hot water 80% of the time. I also have solar power collectors where I get Aus 49 cents per kilowat. I haven't paid anything for electricity for the last 16 years. Free hot water and free power. Happy with that.
I have the same WH. Works great. Savings alone have already paid it off from a standard electric water heater. No issues whatsoever. Plus I use a generator occasionally and it basically only uses 110 to power the compressor so I have plenty of hot water when my power goes out. Must have.
Thanks for sharing!
Livin' the d'Rheem.
lots of good info. Thanks
I've had the 80 gallon one for 2 years now, family home with 4 adults, we are saving $30.00 per month. I schedule the hot water heater to turn on a few minutes after the gas furnace turns on so when the water heat turns on the furnace room is at a higher tempeture
in Phoenix they are nice to have in the garage, they keep the garage cool
We originally installed an AO Smith heat pump 50 gallon (the largest Lowes had at the time) water heater two years ago. We wanted to replace a 75gallon propane unit. The hybrid (heat pump with elements) seemed like a sensible and thrifty solution. I was very happy with the unit once installed. That lasted about 2 week. My wife complained mightily about how noisy it was. She was right. In our living room in the floor above it was quite loud. I returned it to Lowes withing the satisfaction period (with a little trouble). I then ordered an 82gallon Rheem from Home Despot. Other than delivery (they stopped delivering themselves and started contracting it out. It took weeks to get it delivered and installed. The Rheem is 18db quieter. I am very happy about that.
I am NOT happy about the constant problems. The unit goes through periods when it trips a reset switch on the top element. When it does, the whole thing shuts down. This requires a breaker reset, reset button reset or both. This can occur as frequently as every other week or not for two months, and then every other week. Tech support told me how to push the red button, but that's about it.
I have not put an amp meter on the leads to record energy usage, but I assume the unit is saving money. I think it is saving less money because we have to run "high demand" mode. I'll keep you posted. I am less than satisfied because, as you may imagine, my wife gets a little irritated when the thing stops working. The 10-year warrantee is no comfort if it's going to be 10 years of complaining from my better half.
My savings is 75%. I monitored the old high watt heater before switching. I have ducted mine. My basement stays 60 degrees + year round from were I pull the air. The efficiency certainly goes up with ducting.
First to comment! Enjoy your battery, solar and now real life appliance application. Thank you 🎈
We went with spacePak hybrid water heater for our whole house hydronic rediant heat system. About 1600 sq ft. So far so good 3 years on.
Good information.
That's great, I've just had solar installed, and the main power drain everyday is hot water. I'll definitely consider these when I replace my unit. Here in Australia, most people have theirs installed outside, as we don't typically have basements..
Or winter. :-)
@@mjbirdClavdivs Your right of course, compared to to you guys we don't have winter but that's outside inside the house its cold I'm sitting here in Sydney its 6am and I have on thermals, tracksuit pants polo neck shirt another shirt and a jacket on. Australian houses are built like tents the builders like them to breathe and very little insulation.
@@michaelmcclown5593 I understand. Northern California used to be like that. The Bay would keep things cool and foggy, and the buildings around Stanford & Berkeley just didn't insulate enough. Nothing's worse than wet cold, IMHO. Hang in there, your winter solstice is less than a fortnight away!
Except most places that install water heaters outside, use tankless models... And as far as I know there are no tankless heat pump water heaters....
I use the scheduling feature in the app to only heat the water to 124 during the evening hours when we are in the habit of taking showers. Then I reduce the temperature to 112 for the rest of the day. You can set temp and mode for up to 4 time segments. This saves a lot of electricity!
It's great that you have a scheduling feature. But based on how a water tank heater operates, I'm willing to bet you save less than 1% of your energy usage.
@@nc3826 I am on a time of use plan. Electricity is more expensive from 4 to 9 pm. So I set to 125 at 2 pm, 110 at 4 pm and 120 at 9 pm. That does save money by not running during peak power cost time.
@@danielcarroll3358 TOU was not part of the discussion. So in your case your, savings would be higher.
But to maximize your savings, you only want to use the electricity during the lowest lowest rate period. So a large enough tank, to make that possible would be ideal. Or by adding a second tank. To fully time shift the demand to the lowest rate.
Just a thought good luck.
That's great.....but maybe one of those cycles should be set a bit higher since "The American Society of Sanitary Engineering recommends setting the temperature of home water heaters to 135 degrees to 140 degrees Fahrenheit, a range shown to destroy bacteria such as Legionella . At those temperatures, bacteria can neither thrive or survive to contaminate fixtures downstream from the heater. "
I do not know any form of plumbing system that only uses hot water? So feel free to turn it up to 212°F if you want.... But the cold water will still kill you, if you have a lethal pathogen in your system....
but at least Copper and its alloys, such as brass, bronze and copper-nickel, are inherently antimicrobial.... If that's your phobia....
Awesome!!
Thanks for info
thanks for the great video. i'm installing in off-grid setup as well, wondering what a typical 24 hour watt demand chart might look like for this unit. so i called the support centre, and they said the following: eco mode uses a combo of heating element and heat pump. all models will use either the element or the compressor, never both at the same time. heat pump mode does not use heating element. heat pump compressor cycles 3 times during a heat demand cycle, when it is on, it uses 1230 watts. still would be great to see daily real world figures broken over 15min intervals see how this unit behaves at nite, and just after a shower or two. many thanks.
I built my own heat pump water heater. I’ve been pretty happy with it, I’m using a half-assed geothermal loop and a window AC compressor for it. If the cost would come down on them I bet they would be a lot more popular.
Wow, I'm very interested in how you did this. Do you have a water loop with the evaporator submerged? Or is it more complex than that?
@@LithiumSolar Yeah, I’m using about 200 feet of pex for a ground loop, with a small boiler pump. There’s two coil-type pipe-in-pipe heat exchangers and circulator pumps to my regular electric heater I use as holding tank. I didn’t bury the loop far enough down so it doesn’t work well in the winter, though. It was more of an experiment to see if i could build one with mostly parts on hand from scrapping appliances. Unless you’re an AC tech with appropriate tools and skills I don’t recommend trying to build one, especially geothermal.
Love your videos, thank you!
Also: "if your humidity is pretty low, like 50% or so. . ." :D
That seems low to me. What do you keep your basement humidity at?
@@LithiumSolar Living in the desert, try to hover more around 30-35%. Would probably be difficult to get to that range in the south though.
Great review. The dehumidifying feature is the reason why I planned to go with a Hybrid over a traditional. Bummer to hear it doesn't work as well as I hoped.
Yeah I've had it over 3 months now and the bucket is still dry. I might try leaving the dehumidifier off next summer and seeing what humidity I get with just this running. I suspect it doesn't produce any condensate as the tank is already at a higher temperature when it kicks in vs when I first installed it and the water was 45F. That's just a guess though, I'm not a refrigeration expert :)
I have had excellent performance on the dehumidifying feature. When there is any humidity I've seen a lot of water flow out the drain line.
@@briangc1972 May I ask how you have it installed? Did you put it in a basement like I did? Is it a finished basement? Do you have another dehumidifier running and if yes, at what humidity setting?
@@LithiumSolar It is in my laundry room which is next to my kitchen. I have central air conditioning which is effectively a dehumidifier when it is running.
I will be installing into a new house so I can set up the water heater closet dimensions as I wish. Could you suggest : minimum dimensions, sound and water proofing necessary?, and any other considerations such as other brands. Very well done video. Thanks, Willy
I installed the 80 gallon model a few months ago, and overall it’s pretty decent.
For me, we average about 4kWh/day between two adults (with usually long showers, with a bath every now and then), dishwasher, and laundry. The unit is installed in our fairly insulated garage, and (mostly) replaced a oil burning water heater. We have cold winters, so we vent the exhaust air outside during winter and spring using the old exhaust already installed. Summer we vent into the garage, which helps keep it cool.
One bummer is we have radiant flooring, and even at high output, it couldn’t really heat a single small zone of flooring (which would consume about 70kWh/day). The specs of the heater looked like it could handle a small zone, but it couldn’t. The old heater will go back for the floor, but at least the Rheem has helped us cut monthly costs and is cleaner to run.
Shucks. I was planning on installing this next to my wood stove in the basement and heating s 20 x 30 room directly above it with radiant heat. I was going to have the wood stove help heat the water by thermo siphoning etc.
I don’t want to install a gas one...
@@trophyfishn9757 that’s correct, both reported by the water heater and my breaker. It couldn’t keep up with the demand
Thanks for the review.
Do you keep this in your basement? Depending on the location of your mechanical this tank will be more advantageous. This would be in my basement where it is cooler and wouldn't have any warm air for it to utilize.
I like the idea of having a small exchanger to help heat the water if there's any extra demand and not have to run a 220V outlet.
One word of advise for those planning on buying one of these and installing it yourself - be prepared to do troubleshooting and even repairs yourself. Maybe call Rheems and find out WHO in your area would be providing service if needed. I had the extended warranty - but the shop that Rheems had contracted with to provide service dropped out - and I was told to contact someone local to come out. How many local plumbers or heat pump techs are going to be interested in that? Every phone call to Rheems was at least a 90 minute to 2 hour wait (though you could leave your number and they would call you back). How many local techs are going to waiting at your house for 90 minutes waiting to talk to Rheems? I found the Rheems tech line knowledgeable and helpful - and the item they wanted to replace was something I decided to tackle - but for the less technical that would not have been an option. There something to be said to having someone in your area sell and install the unit - and they are the ones to call. I had the unit not quite a year and it had to be replaced (per Rheems). Took it back to Home Depot to swap. They had one left that was identical to mine - if not - and I had to get a newer model I would have had to pay the difference between the original one and the new one. And one last thing in this story. I called the folks that provided the "extended" warrenty - so they could update their records with the new serial number. They said I would have to cancel the existing contract and reapply for a new one. At that point I said just cancel it and reimburse me. Almost 6 weeks later I finally got a check back - something like 70% of what I originally paid.
Thanks for the helpful video. Would you recommend this over the Bradford White Aeromax? That's the other HPHWH I'm considering.
thanks for the info. a lot of great information you shared. by the way fire the barber who messed up your sideburns.
I had a "add on" hot water heat pump decades ago when they first came out, drove 8 hours to get it in North Carolina. Plugged it into the escape and drainage outlet and voila, it cooled my earth sheltered house nicely for 25 years and dropped my electric bill in half. The electric company came out as they thought it was stealing electricity, lasted 25 years. In the winter I used the heaters in my water tank. Fast forward to 15 years ago when I put in a hybrid water heater. After 7 years there was a short and I found out no one could fix the problem. Good thing I got a 10-year warrantee. I found out there is still a problem getting these fixed and if you don't get a long-term warrantee you may have a problem,
What brand did you get?
Using a tank inline before the actual heater, like you are, is called a tempering tank. Although the tank being insulated kinda reduces the effect.
Interesting, had no idea there was an actual name for it lol. Thanks!
You have a great review with the same observations as me. The reason it does not dehumidify very well is because it only cools the air aprox 10F on the delta t. Without rambling on this is why your hvac runs at a 20F delta T is for humidity. They seem to run a low delta T im sure its for energy savings of the unit itself.
If you want to cut down on that sound possibly put it on a cushioned surface bigger rubber cushions underneath, and rap the pipes with insulation if not the whole pipe at least around the area going into the wall to cut down on vibration
Thank you for the info. Will this work with a hydronic air handler for heating?
@lithiumsolar how did you find that the electric heating element came on? I just had my 50 gallon installed and I've had it on Heat Pump and I haven't seen it change modes via the app. I'm not sure if I should be looking elsewhere or if I should have any electrical usage monitoring to ensure it's not using the electric heating element.
Thx for the video. I wanted to ask how easy was installation? Did you need a plumber and electrician to install the unit?
Glad you like it. Just wait until it breaks down and you see the repair bill....
Yep, probably won't like it then! Lol
Comment on the home heater working harder to get the cool out. During summer months it helps the AC. During winter months yes it causes more to be spent on heat IF your using electric heat. If your using a heat pump which is moving heat vs creating it will still use less power than a normal electric water heater.
Have two of these in Tennessee. They have allowed me to remove dehumidifiers and their electricity load in addition to the savings you describe. I expect to add 22 SEER ductless heat pumps in both basements to boost basement winter temps. In the summer early mornings I cool the house to 72. I bump the air based hvac to 80 when outside temps hit 80 and use the coolness from the basement to offset daily heat spikes upstairs. Maximizing cooling when temps are below 80 keeps the delta t on the coils in a high efficiency range.
The bottom line is that you can achieve big energy savings by contemplating this as part of the overall energy load and conditioning of your home.
Have you priced a solar install on your house? PV prices have (and are continuing) fallen to the point that adding a few more panels to a system costs far less than replacing a resistance water heater with a heat pump one. When electricity becomes free, the whole concept of energy conservation through device efficiency turns on it's head. It becomes an exercise in math to figure out what the total annual electric consumption is and compare the cost of adding solar to the cost of the more expensive heat pump devices. If I were building or remodeling now, I'd be considering in-floor radiant resistive heating.
@@garymunson2493that may work great in heat-only climates, but if you're in the zones where you have to have AC anyway, the heat pump, which is just AC in reverse, is a requirement anyway, and there's no point in resistive heat as a primary. IMO, the air-to-water radiant heating and cooling through the floor is how I would build a single story, or ground floor if multi-story, house. If I was building using insulated concrete forms, the walls would only be externally insulated and added to the radiant thermal control system, especially for cooling.
Still holds true in hotter climates. You will find you can get much higher efficiency straight ACs units than heat pumps that are more complex and a somewhat compromise system. If I were to build a house I would make sure there was sufficient South roof Real Estate for sufficient panels to accomplish all heating with resistance. Panels continue to fall in price (already cheaper than the extra cost of heat pump technology) and have far longer lifespan than the heat pump equipment. With just straight AC for cooling, that side of the system would also last longer since it would be running less without heat pump duty in the winter.@@anthonykaiser974
I think the heat pump heater still has a lot of potential to be derived. better insulation, better power consumption control and be used to cool the house in the summer
Absolutely! I'd love to be able to route the cool air to my living spaces. I just don't want to start cutting holes everywhere lol.
@@LithiumSolar actually I consider it is more than do some air conduct. under different working condition the output air temperature may fluctuate thus additional control loop needs to be added. but this is more of a fun part, you may invest some time till it really functioning well
I used mine to air condition the entire house in the summer.
two years later, still liking it? I'm thinking of buying. Thanks. Nice video.
Yep, still running great! It works so well I actually got rid of the electric backup tank last year.
Great video. I would highly using hot water when doing laundry. If not at the very least then use an extra rinse cycle. Even with high quality detergents ive found it best practice. Im an hvac service tech though except my father repaired appliances for 50 years before retiring from it. Obviously best to follow manufacturer recommendations especially if you bought a washer that only recommends to use cold water, Ive yet to ever to ever see 1 though.
I haven't found a need to use hot water. The cold water gets my laundry clean just fine. It saves energy and reduces shrinking of the clothing.
Awesome technology. I wonder how long it will be before you hook up a water space heater to the output as it will be cheaper to run than your existing heat.
That’s what a regular heat pump does
Heat-Pump based appliances, in the home on their own tend to be very efficient. But it begs a question, when are we going to see manufacturers integrate them, to exponentially increase their overall efficiency? By using waste (such as heat) as a resource.
For example, a refrigerator producers waste heat at about the same temperature as a water heater. And then there are heat pumps used for HVAC.
Yes, it adds some complexity, that I'm not going to go into detail here about. But it also adds the possibility of simplification and additional synergies too.
Heat-Pump Water Heaters are one more step in the right direction. Let's hope you see some more steps taken soon.
I wonder if you would be interested in running a test to see what level of humidity it can maintain without the other dehumidifier running. For example, turn the humidistat up to 70% when we get into summer and see what level of humidity the hybrid water heater can maintain. I'm pretty sure I pay quite a bit to keep my dehumidifier running and would love to be able to shut it off if a hybrid hot water heater could maintain something like 60% or below. Maybe it's just too much to hope for.
There should be a version with an auxiliary unit that can be mounted outside. Using this with a shower drain heat recuperator would be awesome too
YES! I was thinking mounting on 2nd floor where the cold goes down a vent to my refrigerator, and the heat loops up to the water heater. Wish manufacturers would get their act together.
It’s been almost a year, do you still like the water heater, would you purchase it agin or go with another option? Maybe do an updated review? Thanks.
Not sure if i just couldnt find it or not . Would be nice to see how you are still likeing that unit .
Have you considered running an immersion heater powered by solar in the old tank?
It's 112° F here this evening - a little space cooling would be very helpful.
Dang, yeah I bet this would be super efficient in those kinds of temps!
I have an older 2 story house heated by an old oil fired hot water boiler. The base board radiators are new. I'm located beside the ocean in Cape Breton.
I'm considering replacing the boiler and hot water with this unit or similar unit. I have 4 zone heating and it works very well.
Question is will this unit work for my situation?
How did it work in the winter? Did it make thr basement really cold?
Question....can u install these in a closet, since we dont have a basement, do they need a large volume of air to work properly, and ducting outside for the cool air, as we do have air conditioning in the home...this is a new home on a slab, so was wondering where and I could install this thing...thanks
Pull the anode after about a year or two and give it a look. You can get an estimate of how often you will need to change it. Keep a couple on hand. You can get many more years out of it if you keep the anode changed.
Random question I've been curious about since you mention that. If I bond the input and output copper pipes with a piece of copper wire, will that reduce the need to replace the anode rod? Isn't the rod eroding pretty much only caused by electrolysis?
@@LithiumSolar a lot of nipples are galvanically isolated and the ions in the water will still attack a steel tank without a working anode. Besides anodes are cheap and a must replace for full payback.
@@peterg.8245 I think the tank in the hybrid is plastic. There is no mention of a serviceable anode in my hybrids service manual.
@@jstaffordii Tank is glass in this one .
Looking to put one in: old electric is in a separate 6x6x8 shed room included in house with only exterior door entry would I need it to be vented for air flow draw. Thanks
Tell me if I’m wrong but I’m betting that this man is very savvy and conservative regarding water consumption.
Economical haircut?
I'm going to swap gas to this type. Ill keep gas unit sitting there as a backup if heat pump fails. Is keeping the gas unit in water circuit better than having it sit dry as far as corrosion goes? I'm in a good quality water low corrosion area.
this thing sounds perfect to replace my hot water heater thats located in my hot garage in south florida. I get hot water and a little ac for the garage...win win
I love mine.
My heatpump water heaters is in basement close to a large freezer, so the heating and cooliing of the space is basically canceled out by each unit.
Remember to clean the filter and fins after a while, it's something people overlook. Like a fridge, you have to vacuum the fins. Even if it's not explicitly stated in the heat pump manual, the fin vacuuming and wiping may catch any extra dust getting past the air filter. Also, the electrically disconnected fore tank will help efficiency by naturally preheat the water from say 50 degree ground up to ambient room temp 72 degrees+/- overnight, lessening heat pump tank recovery time. An interesting strategy.
I've had a unit like this for a little over 10 years. My advice, manage expectations. Imagine a car A/C cooling your garage. Your car A/C would do a better job than a HPWH. It's job is to heat water. It doesn't do a better job than a conventional unit, it's just more efficient. I never purchase warranties but I did with my HPWH. After 9 years they said GE no longer supports my unit so they gave me my purchase price back... amazing. Of course I only paid 3x more for the unit than the conventional ones. Federal rebates have a cap on them so if you purchased other energy efficient items in the past you probably have already maxed out. Local rebates are legit.
Was the heat pump running while your were shooting the video? Can you take a dbm sound reading from 1 meter away? The Gen 4 was 49 dBm but a lot of folks have complained that the Gen 5 is 65 to 69 dBm.
Alan as I mentioned I had 3 units installed. All at 70dBl
I purchased the 80 gallon one approximately two years ago and I wish I never did. One day if I am able to build a house, I will add tankless heaters instead.
Anyone know what the inrush current is when the heat pump first starts up? Comparable to a 5000 BTU A/C maybe? I can't find the spec anywhere.