Here are the time stamps for this video fellow old schoolers: 1:33 Skynet deck tech. 6:43 The Deck deck tech (try saying that ten times in a row) 10:18 the match itself (round 1). Have fun!
Ops! It's important to keep the state of the graveyard and separate removed from the game from the others. The factory was plowed, but it was shuffled back in again with the timetwister. Naughty! 🙂
I love watching your constructions and commentary. Weird question from way left field. Does anyone ever play Shahrazad against The Deck? I wonder if you remove the best parts of Recall as graveyard management, you could get passed that barrier where The Deck wins despite only having 2-5 points of life left
thanks for the kind words Colin Haha I never thought of Shahrazad to pop up mini games inside the main game and reduce the decks access to its own graveyard. it would be very original - Though I would imagine the games would get timed out when playing in a tournament. I try to imagine the deck trying to win several sub games just to scratch itself back into the main game. It would be incredibly fun to see :D So if one likes ones chances better at the proceeding chaos orb flip off than in a straight up fight with the deck- then taking in 4 shahrazad would obliterate the decks chances of winning within the 50 minutes time limit in a tournament. Perhaps doing it with a quick white rush deck? Either you win in the early game and if the deck stabilizes and is about to gain control - you play shahrazad and go into the next mini game and start over. Inception style!
I like that old school has much more brutal answers than threats. I can see why city in a bottle would get restricted but I think it ranges from game winning to useless based on how the opponent built their deck so I'm ok with it being unrestricted
That’s certainly a valid argument. Often enough it’s not THAT useful or format breaking. I just dread a potential format where there are 2-4 bottles in most sideboards- then we can just kiss the Arabian nights edition goodbye. And bottle also hoses many funky and spicy builds as well like elephants in a way that is a bit uncalled for. On the other hand it’s really nice to have because many of the creatures from AN are very powerful and undercosted for OS. Personally I’d prefer a restriction and not a banning- but I certainly see the argument as bottle so far hasn’t really been a problem. Im perhaps just a bit biased because I love Arabian nights so much 😂
@@RaVNeFLoK yeah I think the people complaining about it are usually the people who play decks full of Arn cards. I think it's mostly only really good against Arabian aggro and some mono black or reanimator decks because of bazaar.
@I Play Magic oh yeah it def crushes reanimator and Arabian aggro. I guess it’s also pretty good against Erhnam burn ‘em (Erhnam + Kird ape + brass), quicksilver (dibs, flying men, brass, kird ape), classical UR Counterburn (flying men and dibs, brass), and all variants of those sacrifice decks featuring 3-4 diamond valleys on top of the creatures. But again- it’s certainly true I don’t see enough bottles to warp the format in the scenes I attend either. For me it’s more a potential problem than a real problem - and that’s the best kind of problem! ;)
The strenght of The Deck has been greatly exaggerated, yes it's a good deck, but with the community's current knowledge on how to build decks it isn't the beast it once was, merely a good deck among other good decks.
I guess the deck is very consistent against a variety of decks, whereas some decks, while well built, suffer against some archetypes. The deck didn't have much artifact hatred, just three divine offerings in the side. It would be good to see how the robot deck would perform against a deck with say both counterspells and 3/4 energy flux in side.
@@lozkko we are in luck! I thought the same as you so counterspells and flux was in the next matchup. Skynet vs Counterburn (with a bunch of energy flux after sb). :)
I went through my notes on the deck again - you are absolutely correct ripliini. There were 3 counter spells in this particular version of Skynet - not two.
Yes right you are - moat was a standard card in the original iterations of the deck and it can still be used but it’s variant and meta dependent. The most common “modern” the deck variant in these parts kills with only 4 factories and a single fireball before sb and then uses 2 the abyss in place of moat. After sb it can go Serra angel + moat if the matchup calls for it. The shift away from moat happened because there was a lot of UW skies and UR counterburn (only creatures in counterburn being flying men and serendib efreets) in the top 8 a couple of years back - rendering moat before sb a dead draw for the deck in hard matchups where it could Ill afford it. Moat is slowly coming back again though instead of the abyss because of the “inventions” of robot variants and the bb-8 archetypes that are immune to the abyss. Even though OS is such an old game the meta is thankfully never solved. ;)
I respecfully disagree. old school is full of broken spells with sub par creatures. That’s part of it. Answering Library is one the only real weak points of the deck because library can’t be countered or disenchanted. They need to change their brew for it or just accept it’s part of the risk they take in my view. In many other matchups an active library doesn’t live long: they have so many out: black vise, sinkhole, Armageddon, city in a bottle, strip mine, mind twist, balance, specters, chaos orb, ice storm, stone rain - heck even underworld dreams put the breaks on it if opponent is pressured on life total. And If you put enough threats against him it also forces the library player to defend himself. Trouble for the deck is it can’t do that either. Library becomes broken if one player has access to it and another does not or when you’re against the deck and he doesn’t draw one of his 2-3 outs against it in time. Against the deck it’s a battle around what to play when of a series of broken cards that both players have access to - a question of when to save up cards to get within library again and when to commit. It’s not a mindless “I got a library so I win” by any stretch . I know Weismann is very vocal about banning library as well. Small wonder. I’m against banning it because in my view that would strengthen the deck even further - and we don’t really need that in the format in my view. I could be wrong- but that’s my opinion.
Here are the time stamps for this video fellow old schoolers:
1:33 Skynet deck tech.
6:43 The Deck deck tech (try saying that ten times in a row)
10:18 the match itself (round 1).
Have fun!
Woot! Skynet's back!!
Good show, Gandalf!!
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Looks like Skynet is shaping up to be a tournament quality deck. Looking forward to see more of it.
Great matches! Really love your videos
I love your skynet build! Great games!
Thank you checker! I’m thrilled you enjoy it 😊
I also like a few counters in my robot builds. There are few things more pleasing than mana draining an energy flux with a robot deck!
That stuff gives us pleasant nerd chills!
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Ops! It's important to keep the state of the graveyard and separate removed from the game from the others. The factory was plowed, but it was shuffled back in again with the timetwister. Naughty! 🙂
So true!
I love watching your constructions and commentary. Weird question from way left field. Does anyone ever play Shahrazad against The Deck? I wonder if you remove the best parts of Recall as graveyard management, you could get passed that barrier where The Deck wins despite only having 2-5 points of life left
thanks for the kind words Colin Haha I never thought of Shahrazad to pop up mini games inside the main game and reduce the decks access to its own graveyard. it would be very original - Though I would imagine the games would get timed out when playing in a tournament. I try to imagine the deck trying to win several sub games just to scratch itself back into the main game. It would be incredibly fun to see :D
So if one likes ones chances better at the proceeding chaos orb flip off than in a straight up fight with the deck- then taking in 4 shahrazad would obliterate the decks chances of winning within the 50 minutes time limit in a tournament.
Perhaps doing it with a quick white rush deck? Either you win in the early game and if the deck stabilizes and is about to gain control - you play shahrazad and go into the next mini game and start over. Inception style!
Nice! And the party crasher is coming up…
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I like that old school has much more brutal answers than threats. I can see why city in a bottle would get restricted but I think it ranges from game winning to useless based on how the opponent built their deck so I'm ok with it being unrestricted
That’s certainly a valid argument. Often enough it’s not THAT useful or format breaking.
I just dread a potential format where there are 2-4 bottles in most sideboards- then we can just kiss the Arabian nights edition goodbye. And bottle also hoses many funky and spicy builds as well like elephants in a way that is a bit uncalled for. On the other hand it’s really nice to have because many of the creatures from AN are very powerful and undercosted for OS.
Personally I’d prefer a restriction and not a banning- but I certainly see the argument as bottle so far hasn’t really been a problem.
Im perhaps just a bit biased because I love Arabian nights so much 😂
@@RaVNeFLoK yeah I think the people complaining about it are usually the people who play decks full of Arn cards. I think it's mostly only really good against Arabian aggro and some mono black or reanimator decks because of bazaar.
@I Play Magic oh yeah it def crushes reanimator and Arabian aggro.
I guess it’s also pretty good against Erhnam burn ‘em (Erhnam + Kird ape + brass), quicksilver (dibs, flying men, brass, kird ape), classical UR Counterburn (flying men and dibs, brass), and all variants of those sacrifice decks featuring 3-4 diamond valleys on top of the creatures. But again- it’s certainly true I don’t see enough bottles to warp the format in the scenes I attend either.
For me it’s more a potential problem than a real problem - and that’s the best kind of problem! ;)
@@RaVNeFLoK I personally don't mind City in a Bottle as it plays right into my Rukh Eggs...cracking the egg, but not the token 😉👍
Haha that’s really cool! So true - Rukh eggs really loves the bottle as long as the eggs gets deployed before the bottle does 🎉
Yeah boooooooooooy!!!!!!!
So, basically you won 4-0 vs The Deck.
Wow O.O
The strenght of The Deck has been greatly exaggerated, yes it's a good deck, but with the community's current knowledge on how to build decks it isn't the beast it once was, merely a good deck among other good decks.
I guess the deck is very consistent against a variety of decks, whereas some decks, while well built, suffer against some archetypes. The deck didn't have much artifact hatred, just three divine offerings in the side. It would be good to see how the robot deck would perform against a deck with say both counterspells and 3/4 energy flux in side.
@@lozkko we are in luck! I thought the same as you so counterspells and flux was in the next matchup. Skynet vs Counterburn (with a bunch of energy flux after sb). :)
So, counting the cards in the Skynet dec pic, I only count 59... Which one am I missing?
I went through my notes on the deck again - you are absolutely correct ripliini. There were 3 counter spells in this particular version of Skynet - not two.
Why doesnt the deck have Moat? that's a standard card
Yes right you are - moat was a standard card in the original iterations of the deck and it can still be used but it’s variant and meta dependent. The most common “modern” the deck variant in these parts kills with only 4 factories and a single fireball before sb and then uses 2 the abyss in place of moat. After sb it can go Serra angel + moat if the matchup calls for it.
The shift away from moat happened because there was a lot of UW skies and UR counterburn (only creatures in counterburn being flying men and serendib efreets) in the top 8 a couple of years back - rendering moat before sb a dead draw for the deck in hard matchups where it could Ill afford it.
Moat is slowly coming back again though instead of the abyss because of the “inventions” of robot variants and the bb-8 archetypes that are immune to the abyss.
Even though OS is such an old game the meta is thankfully never solved. ;)
Library has to be banned, obviously. Quite boring to win with it, to be honest. There is no skill to win with it.
I respecfully disagree. old school is full of broken spells with sub par creatures. That’s part of it. Answering Library is one the only real weak points of the deck because library can’t be countered or disenchanted. They need to change their brew for it or just accept it’s part of the risk they take in my view.
In many other matchups an active library doesn’t live long: they have so many out: black vise, sinkhole, Armageddon, city in a bottle, strip mine, mind twist, balance, specters, chaos orb, ice storm, stone rain - heck even underworld dreams put the breaks on it if opponent is pressured on life total. And If you put enough threats against him it also forces the library player to defend himself. Trouble for the deck is it can’t do that either.
Library becomes broken if one player has access to it and another does not or when you’re against the deck and he doesn’t draw one of his 2-3 outs against it in time. Against the deck it’s a battle around what to play when of a series of broken cards that both players have access to - a question of when to save up cards to get within library again and when to commit. It’s not a mindless “I got a library so I win” by any stretch .
I know Weismann is very vocal about banning library as well. Small wonder.
I’m against banning it because in my view that would strengthen the deck even further - and we don’t really need that in the format in my view. I could be wrong- but that’s my opinion.