Did Western Cape Muslims Betray Palestine for the DA?
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- In this podcast episode, M. Irshaad Sedick (host) speaks with M. Khalil Hendricks, Sh. Muhammad West and M. Zakariyya Harnekar about the 2024 South African Elections results, explicitly addressing the question, “Did Western Cape Muslims Betray Palestine for the DA?”
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00:00 Introduction
02:07 Initial Comments, Reactions to The Elections Results & Framing The Analysis
06:34 Three Points Presented
07:26 Sowing the Seeds of Discord - Anti-Muslim Propaganda - First Point
16:11 How Many Muslims Voted - Second Point
18:50 How Muslim Areas Voted - Third Point
28:32 What These Numbers Indicate - Support for Palestine & Drop in the DA votes
29:57 Comments on These Results
31:25 Why Focus on the Palestinian Issue?
31:58 Questions and Answers Based on the Analysis
41:09 Nasiha (Guidance) on the Way Forward
53:02 Host’s Concluding Remarks
54:25 Du‘a (Supplication) - Shaykh Muhammad West - Zábava
People should be able to vote for who they want.
No matter what race / colour you are people should feel free to vote for whoever they want to and we need to respect that .
It's not that anyone denied them that right. We just want them to identify who they are. So that we can know to avoid them. Like you would a virus.
As a Muslim I will disagree on this statement
@AWB777 .
This election was not about a majority nor an opposition party. It's was about seats, people who are honest and righteous. We are a Rainbow nation, and we should not only think of culture.
And NO I did not vote da.
Yes But u must think the DA does not look after us where does our money go to ISREAL terrible i will NEVER vote DA from day 1
Nope
Divide and rule, concept is a Zio strategy.
It was a national election vote for South Africa as a country, electing governance within South Africa, governance that has been lacking for decades impacting the 62 million citizens living within South Africa.
I'm Tswana 🇧🇼🔥 but this brothers make me proud to be south African, well spoken my brother's
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Hey monna do you have any clue of these people's Sunni Muslim agenda and mortiferous ideology against non muslims around the world ? .
We are a very small minority in this country. I think we should all collectively vote for one party irrespective if we like the party or person. The goal should be to get seats in the National and provincial government to promote our Deen and its beauty. We must make the Muslim vote count
Like American Muslims are doing,voting against Biden..
Like the Christian vote, very important
Muslin at least go to to a Muslim country if they unhappy with America
Ppl are aware of the Muslim, ideological laws
Shukran for your informative podcast we need to stand together to fight for justice for all humanity
TRUE
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I feel very heartsore for the Palestinians. I'm a non Muslim but I was really hoping for the sake of us South Africans, that the ANC would not win.✌🇿🇦
Ek voel kol fok ol vir n lap kop wat kry wat hy gesoek het
This is an excellent analysis I absolutely love the figures to prove to these DA 👿👹
Truth vs Deception. We need to just emphatically push for truth. They’re eventually going to lose because they lie
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I'm not Muslim, but the biggest dread I have for this country is having the DA rise in power. Palestine is the measurement for your level of humanity in 2024 and the DA represents the apathy toward humanity in that regard. Dark days ahead if a DA coalition happens.
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People don't realize the darkness that awaits if da should get control
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People don't realize the darkness that will be unleashed if da gains power
There will be less crime, less corruption, more jobs, more investments etc. Only DA run areas don't have corruption.
So much tender irregularities
As an individual from KZN, i went above and beyond the call to engage in "voter activism". It was very disheartening to see massive voter apathy within my own very large family and extended family. Very disappointing.
Inshallah lets we all endeavour to declare Jihad on voter apathy. The enemies of Islam were hard at work promoting voter registration, up to the extent of holding "workshops" in their businesses to promote voter registration. Jazakallah for all your time and efforts in presenting these stats. May Allah bless you all abundantly inshallah. But the only stat that needs to change, especially amongst the South African ummah, is the "Registered Voter" stat. We need to make our people understand that the vote is another way of "tying your camel".
May Allah help us inshallah.
Salaams and duas from Durban.
My partner and myself went to vote but got turned away without being able to vote, there was also voter suppression, new laws that make technicalities take away your right to vote. We were registered but not at the right station, but shouldn't I be able to vote anywhere in the country?
I am supposedly a European South African. I am however an Afrikaner and have Muslim ancestors. The stereotypification of any person or group is horrific.
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How did the muslim vote perform according to age?
Post Apartheid youth have no loyalty towards the 'old' and vote influenced by what they see or directly experience.
Alhamdulilaha I'm happy to watch this young gentlemen How cool they discussing the betterment of the ummah and the community ow allah reward them goodness in this world 🌎 and hereafter free Palestinian
Love your concluding remarks, add that to the highlights reel🤲🙏 Beautiful message👌
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Shukran guys for bringing up the injustice we live in the western cape but our roads were last cleaned with election time dont talk about the potholes the DA only concern is the white areas we no longer fooled by the DA
Kom Transvaal toe poop hol en dan kom kyk jy in ons wit straate daar is foken geen teer oor nie julle foken ANC het tot dit gesteel
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Thanks for this. Perhaps as a follow up post you can discuss why WC, specifically CT, Muslims are so fixated on their religious identity above all else? And how this is reductive of who we are, and a highly problematic form of 'identity politics' which gets in the way of our community being taken seriously, including in the political sphere? Which is ironically how political parties like the ANC can use the Palestinian issue to garner votes in the WC. Challenging the DA and their propaganda machine requires a better and bolder strategy, instead of relying solely on elections, and then only to get scolded like children by certain moulanas for 'betrayal' when the election results don't go out way. This is the kind of political ignorance and immaturity we need to address, along with the fact of deep seated racism and anti-Africanism in the Muslim community. The DA's anti-poor and anti-black stance is what resonates with muslims who voted for them - let's face facts and unpack this as a start. Shukran.
Perhaps you should also ask why are the Zulus and Afrikaans are fixated on their tribal identities; as well as the Zionist Jews that claim to be South African so fixated on Palestinian land and supporting and are part of the genocide ?
@@lylm4147 so basically ‘deflect from the issue at hand’ which is about CT Muslims who voted/didn’t vote for the DA? Weird take but ok.
...DA won lots of votes from Muslim dominated areas...look at the voting districts...for me it doesn't matter whether Muslims vote DA or not...l don't care...
Unfortunately not all Muslims worry about Palestine ppl, we have our own problems to worry about, plus ppl in this country are not radicalised like the Arab country's
So y u listening to radicals and their channels? How many radicals attacked you, give us one case you opened.
@@ctguy82 what, do u want to fight or just feeling emotional that not all Muslims share ur mentality🤫
Muslims fall into the current categories
True muslims (cares for their brothers over themselves)
Zionist muslims (Muslim by name and pro zionist)
Weak Muslims (their main concern is first themselves)
They aren't radicals? Why are u a programmed BOT?
@ctguy82
there is no evidence that they are radicals.
@@suhailzn
When you elect your government, you elect on local issues, not on some war going on in some foreign country. Palistine is not our priority. We have our own bread and butter issues to address, and the undesputable fact is that the DA governs better and with less corruption than others. If you are poor, Palistine become the least of your problems.
Any party that supports apartheid abroad or domesticallt has no bussiness governing in South Africa.
The DA are avowed Zionists supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
W..h..a..t
You conveniently leave out the fact that the DA is pro zionist and anti BRICS. It's very naive to think that the Pro Zionist club in the Western Cape did not take Israel into consideration when voting, while only harping on the pro Palestinian sentiment. The Western Cape is only "run well" in certain areas. Making the Western Cape a comfortable Jewish old age retirement village, does nothing for the majority of the people of the Western Cape, who live in a different retirement village.
Unbelievable that we would be expected to vote for the future of our country based on what happens in Gaza.What nonsense is this?
Shukran, this was very informative!
Imagine how betrayed any voter would feel if their party makes a coalition with another party they would never have voted for.
Elections are for the benefit of politicians, its a money and power game at the citizen's expense. Its not just about the Muslim vote, its about the indian, black and coloured vote, people of those groups who comes from apartheid and oppression, for those very same people to vote for a party whose history is that of oppression, division, apartheid, colonialism, unequal rughts based on colour, this is the DA party's history in South Africa.
Those indian, coloured and black people voted for a party that did that to their parents and and ancestors. Do they seriously think the DA does not stand for those very same principles? Look at the Palestine issue, therein is the reveal. They bomblasted the ukrainian flag but wouldn't do the same for Palestine, in fact, they abused their authority of state resources and sent their police force out on people who painted palestinian flags on their own homes! On top of it, the DA would not even condemn the war crimes isreal is committing. Good luck to those who voted for them.
I am so glad for this show,i live in uk, i find the Malaysian musllims are close to my heart because they are un threatening , not like here in uk ,Go guys ,sending love , good luck , when you sing from the roof of the mosque you unite hearts ,my experience!
Alghamdulilah really good insight to show the significance of challenging the false narrative
Leave the muslims alone, they can vote for whoever they want
SO NOW WE NOT TERRIRISTS WHEN IT SUITS YOUR AGENDA.
Your vote has to be based on something. Usually that would be a shared set of values. It is a big deal whether people support genocide or not.
Shukran brothers for the analysis
Shukran Boetas, this was and is a very important conversation. I hope many people see this
Saudi Arabia is establishing trade & maybe diplomatic agreements with Israel. So can we expect the people who are opposed to the DA, to also oppose Saudi Arabia? So you won't be visiting Saudi, and you will be protesting outside the Saudi embassy, like the pro-palestinian protests? If not you just displaying your hypocrisy and convenient love for Palestine just because it's Jews not Muslims. Like you dont protest about attacks on Yemen since 2015, which resulted in at least 680000 RIPs. In that situation, you are silent. Look into your mirror the next time you are looking for an opportunistic hypocrite.
Greatful to see the WC under DA cos it works. We get along in the WC. Pals must learn a lot to grow.
You must be very comfortable in your home
Very comfortable. We dont rape and we dont kill. I work and pay my bills. Love your enemy palstine or suffer
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They were thinking of their country first
Yes hence the term sell out. So now with the gnu they are exposed.
@@icraftcrafts8685 South Africa first. Those who say anything else are filthy sellout traitors.
@@icraftcrafts8685 whateva
They sold out their own brothers and sisters in faith for a misserable price.
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Thank you guys for this talk.
I think we should avvoid turning this into a witch hunt. A muslim living in a shack with no job or food may feel like they're between a rock and a hard place. I suspect many Muslims did but denied doing so in fear of being attacked.
Our imaan is not as weak as the propagandists think. Allah knows best
Ameen 🤲🏽
SA born Muslims are free to vote according to their conscious. No Imams should be telling them who to vote for that is against the law. Muslim political parties do not have the depth of experience to manage anything. SA born Muslims are not ridiculous to vote for religion instead of common sense.
Iran funded anc but the chopper went into the mountain so they don’t have funding anymore to support Iran
Provide proof. Not Zionist manufactured evidence. Stop listening to Shameless Murray
Not a shred of evidence provided for your claims. Stop listening to Shameless Murray and his ilk
Zios love to manufacture evidence.
Jzk Khair
Mashalah, great stuff guy's,clearing all doubts,as a voter In 😢 Bontas I knew Instantly that the DA ,s boastful statement was untrue, Algamdolilah ,we as Muslims would never ever support Zionism 🤓🇸🇦🇯🇴🇿🇦🇯🇴🇯🇴🇯🇴♥️✌️👍
Nobody never abondoned Palestine they thought of their country who is in a mess first...
That being said, do you put your trust and vote to a party whose history on their cv speaks of apartheid, suppression, oppression, white supremacy, displacement and unequal human rights???
We are more in a mess for those who voted DA. They do absolutely nothing for us. Give those people in our townships a few bucks then they vote DA. We know that those people have no brains
"They thought of their country..."
By selling out to avowed Zionists?
I'm wondering who put out the stats. Amazed that so many Muslims still voted DA. It would go against my grain and it's in support for Palestine and the ICJ case.
But the DA numbers overall to me seemed inflated.
Besides, they're so busy selling CT overseas on massive marketing and on dstv "Listing CT" property program, locals can neither afford the rentals, let alone buy in a middle income area. Foreigners with their euros buy Bokaap for a song and the elderly cant afford the rising rates. Homelessness are growing and one sees this leaving the city in any direction. Wealth starts with buying your first home and upgrading later as you wish, as you put down roots and have stability. Our educated youth runs overseas to the UAE, because there's nothing to keep them here.
We've got Durbanites moving to CT and neighboring foreigners, but we dont have enough water, schools, universities, hospitals to accommodate. Nobody speaks of these things.
Very true!!
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Shukraan for the enlightenment moulanas
So who is going to tell the DA to apologise to the Muslim community? Also the Imams that gave their Muslim communities a hard time should answer why they acted so quickly , trusting the word of the DA without doing proper analysis. The Imams too should apologise.
It is quite simple, you do not vote for an outcome where you live taking into consideration a problem where you go not want you live. If you feel so bad about what is happening in Gaza, go and make a difference there.
Shukran brothers for providing clarity on the muslim vote in the western cape.
Yes, the DA merely capitalises on the "slacking" of "others"... 26:19
At the end if the day,no matter where the vote went ,the DA comfortably won the majority in the Western Cape....it is what it is.
I wish the ANC would stop flirting with WMC and just form a pro-Palestine coalition, ANC/EFF/AJ/GOOD is 201 seats.
A voting station in a Observatory was closed and those voters were redirected to Salt River, therefore impacting the profile of the voter
Thank you brothers for clarifying this issue 🙏
Shukran for taking time to collate and present this data. It is reassuring that the muslim community stood firmly against zionist-backed parties.
It is alarming that there is an active team trying to sow discord in the Ummah. Thank you for making us aware of it.
When I first heard that the DA 'dominated' in the muslim community, the first thought I had was that the Muslims would rather vote for Pro- Israeli party than see black leadership in the Western Cape. This is obviously not completely true, but it links to the concern of embedded racism that many of our elderly have due to Apartheid conditioning.
It's great that the previously staunched DA voter has been swayed by the Palestinian cause, but we should also not forget to pay attention to why they voted DA to begin with. Racism/anti-blackness/enabling white supremacy remains a weight in the muslim community and hasn't suddenly disappeared. Freedom of Palestinians cannot be without the freedom of indigenous South Africans.
I agree with you on this
Shukran for addressing the white elephant in the room.
DID YOU CHECK THE PREDOMINATELY MUSLIM AREAS NUMBERS IN THE WC. i COME FROM THERE OVER 60% IN EVERY MUSLIM AREA FOR THE DA..
@@shanaazcloete8531dude, I think these ouens are in a helluva denial about some Muslims. I knew some Muslims who told us/me/my family they are going to vote for the DA.
That is so true and not only Palestinian but their own people Ramaphosa really disgrace lady Pandor in every where
I'm Muslim, but I did not vote DA, I was extremely sad cause I know that the DA does not stand for Islam. And I believe their was some rigging cause no one in my family voted da
What I have at the moment are few, but strong Muslim & Muslima Leaders 46:44
Exactly, that's why I hold weSizwe waAllah so dearly❤ 18:19
Do your data also look at the outcome of voters,u only talk about the DA which other party increase,so the ANC results.last we vote in South Africa for our own future
There are 2 kinds of muslims. Those that believe in violence and those that are at peace. The muslims that are at peace voted for their country, as yhey should. Those that voted for palestine, should go to gaza. 🇿🇦❤️🇮🇱
You clearly are not a Muslim and should not speak for muslims. Instead you should go and help your fellow European seek their true ancestry and track back to Europe and leave Palestine. Support for palestine is a moral duty . DA is evil.
Can you trust the Muslim party, I think we are SA, we have nothing to do with Palestinians, we have our own problems, we can sympathise with but not go overboard as Naledi (Pundit)
Yes you can trust a Muslim... Especially a Muslim like Naledi Pandor and Imtiaz Sooliman
Isn't it possible that some muslims applied the hadith relating to changing an evil with your hand if able to so, if not to speak against it, and the last option is to hate it with the heart.
Imagine our ulamaa had discussions like this to discuss the issue of the 2 eids. An issue that affects the communities they serve. An issue which we have control over. Now wouldn't that be great. Maybe next time insha'Allah.
Nobody is compelled to vote for the DA or any other Zionist parties, there is no gun against our head.
Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, *“Whoever imitates a people is one of them.”*
[Sunan Abī Dāwūd ]
Redemption, alhamdulillah. Great analysis, shukran.
So who would you like them to vote for then
Shukraan for the wonderful information i am so grateful for the scholars taking their time to do the research and inform the muslim communtiy about such an important topic.i would like to contribute something to the scholars if you can please send me banking details shukraan once again
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Oct 7 has given an opportunity to Israel। to get world public opinion in her fevour.
Guys don't harsh on Muslims. DA could have lost votes if their Afrikaner voters had continued supporting FF. The PA with the biggest potential to take voters from DA supports Israel which doesn't help the Palestinian course. ANC suffered in the Western exactly the same way they have elsewhere in the country. Perhaps Western Cape needs Muslim parties
And maybe we should vote Al Jamaah
Wise comment
The DA supports Israel just like PA. Do you think if they have their way the Israeli embassy would be closed it there would be a case against Israel at the ICJ?. Do you think BRICS would survive?. They are worse than the fool Gayton who dies not even know that Zionist do not recognise Christianity as a religion and that they regard Jesus Christ as a fraud. The DA supports Israel as a state and their activities against Palestine. Clue Less Gayton thinks those European land invaders are biblical Jews.
We suffered from a 6 stage failure in this last election
1 no Clear guidance on ruling of voting from MJC
2 conflicting messaging on voting rulings ranging from garaam to mandoeb
3 declare people as traitors whilst results were not declared
4 find out there was gross voter irregularities based on the parties letter and evidence to IEC
5 find out Co AN-DA lition is a probability
6 lose all collective voter minority group worth in the end
Angus Mckenzie is my ward councilor, he speak alot of things, but I know while standing in line their where people of different religions and their was probably a handful of people especially the elderly that said they voting da. What was very strange to me inside the voting station their was a table and every sitting at that table had da sweaters on, most of the official I knew and they where also da supporters. So please someone help me make sense
I know you love your mommy and your daddy your brothers and sisters too but you must love the Lord before you love anyone.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth King of kings sets us Free no longer slaves. Hallelujah Praise the Lord God Almighty the God of Israel. Our Lord and Saviour Amen.
👍DA
The way I see it, muslims in the Cape, largely excluded non muslims. By that I mean, they was no real engagement with other faith communities. To a large extent, non muslims in the western cape, saw the boycotts as a "muslim thing".
Exactly forcing your opinion on others as well as restricting them from expressing their individual views...is undemocratic patronizing and downright disrespectful
@@sandradaniels3079 I wasn't talking about force. Also, restricting the expression of views is not undemocratic. There are literally "hate" speech laws, libel laws, etc. Expressing denial of certain in events can land you in jail in some democratic countries.
@@sandradaniels3079It should have political rather than religious. I mean, Israel is an two tier/apartheid regime according to Yesh Din, B'stelem (Israeli NGO), and Amnesty International. Given our history, we as South Africans should be nauseated by Israel's crimes. I'm not saying ignore what Hamas did but pretending Israel is a democracy is equally horrifying when the evidence is overwhelming. And the DA's defence of Israeli regime should have been enough to boot them. Defending apartheid is unforgivable.
Take away here is that we should always own our narrative. We've always been an influential constituent of Cape society.
Exactly 52:56
Sensible Muslims.
Something happened during the Sino-Soviet Split with Muslims in the USSR 28:29
You need to be strong Muslims, Inshallah, Braggah waAllah. We need to see, hear, live through who Myslims are in RSA. 38:17
Our hearts are always with our beloved palestine
And the girls in Afghanistan
Inshallah❤ 34:00
Our ummah is based on western ideology. ANC, South Africa,taken Isreal to icj,we Muslim in South Africa never boycot any zionist entity's. But the world world boycotted...
Yes. They did
Mmmmmm
No, not voting, discussions. Have people active in Circumstance-Prioritization 43:42
The PA priority is the family unit: However, that may be a bit sqewed at the moment...
Which I am contributing positively towards... 15:19
Those muslim areas make the best food in cape town
We dnt know the true results 😂 when a lot of the votes weren’t counted
No worries on that, Braggah waAllah 8:31
Thank you, that was very informative. There are many lies, stories, and narratives being spread, but it is the facts and statistics that we, the people, need to hear. Unfortunately, public media is controlled by those who push their own agendas. I am not entirely sure how the panel distinguishes between "colored communities" and "Muslim communities." Many colored families have both Christian and Muslim members, and many Christian colored families have Malay ancestors. Trying to distinguish between a colored and a Muslim community disregards the unity of people with a shared heritage.
That's why we have census..
You are spot on but we undermine WMC.
It was disappointing that Muslims did not rally as a political bloc for the sake of Palestinians and international justice, highlighting our failure to inculcate the political consciousness needed to be relevant non-racialist citizens in our country.
The Palestinian Cause is but the Head of the Cerebus. It is about the rights of Muslim/Muslima peoples to self-determination 22:36
I disagree that we, as the PA course harm. The fact is that you had fully embrace the DA.
Something ver important happened during the Sino-Soviet split to Muslims... 51:05
Slm if we have true leadership the people will follow.. be active in communities and see the condition of our people and educate and inform the people.. most of you guys are more worried about your pockets
I am a Christian and fully in support of the South African case against Israel and its position on Palestine. Regrettably elections don’t give us the option to vote separately on domestic affairs and foreign policy.
I have EXPERIENCED Allah's POINT OF VIEW, Braggah waAllah❤ 45:11
Vote for who u want. Palestinian issues should not decide who u vote for.. sympathy votes doesn't count. Muslims voted for DA all along. Worthless discussion gentlemen. Genocide? What does river to the sea mean?
i was upset because i know people of the western cape was more upset with the DA and we were believing that the DA like the ANC would be getting less votes but they seem to have gotten more votes, which was shocking. I didn't know about the Muslim vote though. Just a question do you not consider yourselves coloured?
Ameen 54:20
Aameen. Ma sha Allah ..BarakAllah for clarity
..as we all know that our Palestinian brothers and sisters freedom, self determination, and peace is close to our hearts, we will never abandon them. And we all know that Muslim votes did not and will not go to the Zionist DA and PA, or any of the Genocide supporters!
What about the girls in Afghanistan, no education and Muslims keeping quite, free those girls too