Affordable Balanced DACs - Review SMSL SU-8 vs. M300 MKII

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  • čas přidán 7. 05. 2020
  • Looking for a high quality but affordable DAC for your setup? How does the well loved but aging SU-8 compare with the M300 MK II (now with a remote, Bluetooth, and external power supply)?
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Komentáře • 41

  • @SineCraftAudio
    @SineCraftAudio  Před 4 lety +3

    One thing I failed to mention is that both units have a lot of configurable settings (PCM filters and sound profiles) that allow you to tweak the sound. I compared them in their default modes.

  • @Pirxel
    @Pirxel Před 4 lety +1

    Great reviews and choice of products, do keep up!

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 4 lety

      Thanks! got a lot of other videos I'd like to do including all in one dac/amp shootout, anodes vs lcd-2c, balanced cables, etc.

  • @jownbey
    @jownbey Před 4 lety +5

    An su8 lover here. It just works. It just sounds good. Who couldnt love it?

    • @samlee2562
      @samlee2562 Před 3 lety

      ...soo many dac snobs!! ✊ 🥳

  • @JetEarlewood
    @JetEarlewood Před 3 lety +3

    The optical and coax go into one place only? How?

  • @edmondj03
    @edmondj03 Před rokem

    I have a pair of Regielaitsprecher active speakers connected to smsl SU8 through XLR ports. Can I connect a subwoofer to the smsl ports ?

  • @yujinpark6374
    @yujinpark6374 Před 3 lety

    There's some kind of annoying rattle from the microphone throughout the video - might be worth checking?

  • @nick_g
    @nick_g Před 2 lety +1

    there are surprisingly few options nowadays for budget DAC-pre's that are not all-in-one-combined with a weak amp of some kind or that have balanced xlr outputs. The soncoz la-qxd1 is one of the only ones these days. I don't understand why exactly, since just about everyone is using some kind of ES9038 dac chip. seems like the design is pretty simple. i'm going with a soncoz la-qxd1 & magnius for a budget higher power stack.

  • @sushh1
    @sushh1 Před 4 lety

    Would getting the M300 if I already have a SA300 make a difference?

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 4 lety

      Probably. I'm not familiar with the SA300 but I believe I think it is just a stand along amp, correct? Assuming you are using a laptop or phone as your source and connecting that to your SA300 via the headphone out you are still using the built in DAC on your computer or phone. Integrated DAC chips are not typically as good at converting the digital signal into analog audio so having an external DAC will usually make a significant difference.

  • @Saul_Goodman_Criminal_Lawyer

    Is switching to balanced DACs and Amplifiers worth it?
    All my dacs and amplifiers are single ended

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 3 lety

      As I think I mention in that video "balanced" is a loaded term and tends to be used three ways (dual 3-pin balanced interconnects, balanced circuit design, and 4-pin balanced headphone output) and they each get you something different in terms of performance. Single ended gear can be excellent and balanced does not always mean better. I like to drive my headphones via "balanced" output because you typically get more power and a bit more separation.

  • @ArthaxtaDaVince777
    @ArthaxtaDaVince777 Před 4 lety +1

    Which one is better or rock and metal?

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 4 lety

      I guess that comes down to personal taste, for me I would say the SU-8 since it is a little smoother. But, if you want to get more detail in the upper range than the M300 would likely be a better fit.

  • @dewasealamtunggal7843
    @dewasealamtunggal7843 Před 3 lety

    I want to buy one of this,which ones betters?

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 3 lety

      really depends on your sound preference and what features you need

  • @briansage9388
    @briansage9388 Před 4 lety

    Will you do a review on the new SMSL M400 DAC?

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 4 lety +1

      The M400 looks very promising, I've been tempted to pick one up, but I think my next DAC is going to be a Denafrips Ares II.

    • @ashmostro
      @ashmostro Před 4 lety +1

      I picked one up and have been blind A/B testing it against my dual AKM 4493 based DAC/AMP and absolutely can’t hear a difference. The two DACs were calibrated to within 1% error on SPL, and fully time-aligned. I’ll be returning the M400 due to this, and for lack of independently selectable RCA and XLR outputs, which I need. YMMV.

    • @briansage9388
      @briansage9388 Před 4 lety

      @@ashmostro I am pretty happy with it. This one has a preamp volume and gives my stereo a whole different boost.

    • @BoilerUp985
      @BoilerUp985 Před 4 lety

      @@SineCraftAudio I would love a denafrips Ares review. It looks very promising

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 4 lety

      ​@@BoilerUp985 It just landed, took awhile to get here. Initial impressions are very positive. Once I've had a little time with it I'll share my thoughts.

  • @brucetungsten5714
    @brucetungsten5714 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Interesting - the quality of bad DAC's, like in oem mainboards, is quite discernable. Even a Soundblaster Live sounds way better than forementioned. I've never tried a good one but the SU-8 is on my list now.
    What do you think about USB cables - I have seen a video where a youtuber tested another value DAC and he came to the conclusion that a pricey cable(iFi Mercury) sounded the best.
    Your thoughts?

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 5 měsíci +1

      I've tried a few USB cables but did not notice an appreciable difference. As with most things in hifi there is typically something to be gained with every tweak but 1) the rest of the system needs to be resolving enough to make it worthwhile, and 2) some areas of investment tend to pay greater dividends.

    • @brucetungsten5714
      @brucetungsten5714 Před 5 měsíci

      @@SineCraftAudio THX!

  • @romanlewandowski9616
    @romanlewandowski9616 Před 4 lety

    Can you connect a iPhone to this dac.

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 4 lety

      The M300 support Bluetooth so that would be the easiest. I have run both both off my Android phone but have not checked iOS compatibility. I would assume (always dangerous) that a Lightning to USB cable would do the trick.

    • @BoilerUp985
      @BoilerUp985 Před 4 lety

      you would most likely need the apple "Lightning Camera Adapter" in order to avoid the error the iPhone loves to throw when connecting to DACs via USB.

  • @genejen
    @genejen Před 2 lety

    IEC

  • @nylonic55yorkshire22
    @nylonic55yorkshire22 Před 4 lety

    Similar inputs and outputs ??? They couldn't be more different !

  • @ar_xiv
    @ar_xiv Před 4 lety

    do you need balanced audio? no you do not

    • @Tallnerdyguy
      @Tallnerdyguy Před 4 lety +5

      If you have a ground hum, yes you do.

  • @rogerx1258
    @rogerx1258 Před 4 lety

    Sorry but 8 minutes in and you still didn´t get to the point!

    • @SineCraftAudio
      @SineCraftAudio  Před 4 lety +2

      Thanks for the feedback Roger.

    • @Tallnerdyguy
      @Tallnerdyguy Před 4 lety +1

      @@SineCraftAudio Ignore the impatient child, nice explanation.

    • @DrNoBrazil
      @DrNoBrazil Před 3 lety

      @@Tallnerdyguy Same here... Still no clue what is going on after watching the full video. 15 minutes to end up with "they are both awesome" ... Ok...