Menendez brothers: New evidence clears us of murder | Banfield
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- In May, Erik and Lyle Menendez requested the court vacate their 1989 convictions, citing new evidence backing their claim that their father was sexually abusing them. The allegations came in the wake of an explosive documentary airing on Peacock titled “Menendez + Menudo: Boys Betrayed.” The brothers were convicted of murdering their parents Jose and Kitty Menendez in 1989 and sentenced to life in prison. The brothers' defense attorney Mark Geragos discusses their strategy on "Banfield."
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I mean come on… you gonna keep these guys in for murdering a horrible child pedophile, but let out a woman who helped Charles Manson murder innocent people?!?! Something’s waaayy wrong with this situation!
Didn't they also kill their mom?
We can't give people permission to murder anyone. These two should have just left home, and/or pressed charges against their father. Murder is not an option.
@@danielavila5081ya the mom who let their dad rape them. Just as culpable.
@@ElleGenyou get to have that opinion when you endure a life of your dad raping you.
Yup 100% We are
Enough... let them go...
Hell no
I agree.
Yes! 😭
@@supme7558, as the kids today say, "Hells yeah!"
Agreed. Let them go
Is it just me, or do 5643857 of you also think the fact a judge has full discretion to leave out MAJOR PARTS of a trial that 100% have an effect on how the jury deliberates should legit be illegal/on the same lines as a Brady violation?!?
I agree. However, like any other extremely complex system. The problem i see with claims (despite the fact that the claim itself is definitely true) that x, y, or z aspect etc of our legal system isnt fair or can cause negative outcomes. The problem is that changing anything effects a vast amount of other parts up and down the chain, many effects are unforeseen and could cause catastrophic issues to the system and can do damage far outweighing the reason for the policy or rule, law change. Im not saying that changing it would or wouldnt, but i know that it would open Pandora's box.
It is not at all "full discretion" as in the judge can just make it up on the spot. Navigating the complex rules of what evidence is allowable is a big part of a trial judge's job, and their decisions are reviewable by the appeal courts above them. The point of all those rules is to ensure the fairest possible trial for both sides. If an appeals court agreed that major parts of evidence that were relevant & allowable were left out, they would have ordered a re-trial.
@@mikimiyazaki, although I understand your point, shouldn't we strive to get it right if we can do that?
Keeping something going that's wrong for the sake of an unknown variable while we have actual suffrage that could be absolved seems to me to be fear-based and lazy.
I mostly agree with that. It leaves way too much room for Error in many different ways.. Because we seem to forget that judges although we have high expectations of them & hold them to high standards To be honest and uphold the law, they are Human and certainly not void of emotion or error. Sadly Some of them are very biased and even corrupt in sound cases.. Being a judge is a very powerful position. And they can ruin people's lives.
Because the justice system is rigged. Judges have far to much influence in what evidence can be presented. It depends on what outcome the judge wants.
Let them out already. They’ve done enough time.
Since when enough is enough for murder, so why don't we release everyone then.
Sorry, but probation is the only chance they have now of freedom because they aren't contesting their murder conviction of Kitty. You only need 1 uncontested first-degrre murder conviction to remain in jail for life, and they refuse to answer any question about Kitty's murder. So this attempt overturn only 1 first-degree murder conviction (Jose's) will be viewed as a complete waste of the court's time. If the Menendi continue not take any responsibility or show any remorse for Kitty's murder (or Jose's for that matter), there is 0.00% chance they will ever see freedom again.
@@rodneyboehner3007 They should be grateful they were given life instead of being on death row. I often like to compare Lyle's LWOP sentences to his Alfa Romeo situation prior to killing his parents. It was said that he considered his Alfa Romeo to be a 'piece of shit' despite having not spent a single dime for it. It was given to him as a gift by his father. Lyle wanted a porsche, and what was the first thing Lyle purchased after killing his parents? You guessed it, a porsche.
I view Lyle Menendez's life without parole sentence as a symbolically fitting metaphor to his current life, with his two life sentences being the alfa romeo and the freedom he so desperately wishes for as being akin to that porsche he always wanted but never set out to earn.
The Biography channel on youtube just recently posted a video on the brothers and towards the end of it, the criminologist, Kathleen Heide says something poignant. She chimes into the effect that Erik (and by proxy his brother, Lyle) have never bothered to do any of the actual footwork or soul searching needed to have the California governor consider the idea of commuting their sentence. In order to be paroled, you need to show that you recognize the gravity of your crimes and have taken all the needed actions to rectify this in order to make the case that you deserve to be allowed back into free society.
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It's one of the reasons why I think Mark Geragos booked this recent interview. He's been frequently showing up on channels like this in recent weeks. The link I posted above is one of the more balanced pieces, offering both voices in the argument. But the dissenting voices and the questions they pose are not flattering at all, which is why I think Geragos decided he needed to go on damage control.
Abused kids put to prison. It's not justice but a crime in its self. Let them live again.
*itself
They blew apart their parents with a shotgun. I’d say let them out in 25 more years.
@@MsRotorwings se x a used . They did their time
Killers like John Wayne Gacy, Danny Rolling, Ed Gein, and Gary Ridgeway were abused kids too, which puts them in the same boat as the Menendi.
@@MsRotorwings How about not. Let them stay in jail forever.
I remember this news back n the day. I’m sure his father has many other victims 🤨
You were there huh
It still could be a lie!
@@christinerose4839- I saw the movie 🍿
Many teenagers would simply have run away, but these boys had been abused since they were preschool children, in a myriad of ways, both psychologically and physically. When your captor makes you believe you have no choice but to be a prisoner of a lifestyle, it is similar to Stockholm syndrome. These brothers if allowed their freedom, are not going to harm anyone hence forward. I vote to let them out. Please let them out.
Exactly. They were groomed since they were toddlers, and that does have a heavy psychological weight on the overall circumstances. They were never allowed to be independent, so Jose and Kitty could keep them in a holding pattern. This enabled the abuse to go on for years without resistance.
The people who say, "Why didn't they just leave?" do not understand the psychology behind this type of abuse, especially when it started for them at such a young age.
My mother was sexually, physically, and emotionally abused when she was a kid. It was her stepfather who did it to her. And her biological mother did nothing to stop it. And she told me she had thoughts of murdering him. She told me he would get drunk and wield his rifle around at them from time to time. So she had fantasies about grabbing that rifle and killing him with it. But her abuse started in her early teens. So she eventually just ran away at the age of 16.
She was never right after that experience. Sure, she soldiered on; she did a good job of fooling everyone that she was okay psychologically, but all of that would later unravel as the true side eventually reared its ugly head, and I was the one who had to see it manifest itself into another form of abuse. And I left home at the age of almost 16 as well.
No, she didn't molest me physically-unless you consider giving the belt 10 times to a naked buttock for doing something wrong-but she did both emotionally and spiritually. I would give you details, but it's far too embarrassing and still painful after all these years. I wrote a book where some of it was highlighted, but most of the abuse I kept to myself, as it is still tough addressing it, and that's after five years of therapy, where I attended over 225 sessions.
So I can't even _fathom_ what those two boys went through, as my case seems like a day in the park by comparison.
@@Silence_Duder_Gooder SO generational violence? I would like to see the Mendez brothers proof that they have received extensive therapy. You never know with this type of abuse where it will rear its ugly head again in a family. But, I see where the professionals are now calling it PTSD and it can trigger later in life in different ways. My mother too was molested but by her real father who would molest many girls. No one did anything with him and this would of been the 40s, People called her a liar. Later in life her ex step sisters would tell her they too were being molested by him and that her coming forward and telling people made their mom start asking questions and she divorced him. It made my mother feel better to hear that. But she still has the pain and inflicted it on use with her narcissism. So theres all that I worry about in these men.
@@sissykim3975, the proof that they received extensive therapy is in their actions while in prison. They haven't committed one act of violence that shows on their prison record, and as Mr. Geragos pointed out, they went in the opposite direction, which tells me that the violent act they committed was an isolated case.
I'm sorry about your mom as well. Yeah, my mother was born in 1948, but even through the sixties and seventies, there was a lot of silence about those cases. It was a taboo subject. We wouldn't start to hear about these types of cases until well into the eighties.
The reverberation that causes society so much harm is the denial that these types of things even happened or still exist.
They were both young men when the murder happened so they couldn't run away but were able to shoot both parents in their living room in cold blood then lie about it.
@@Silence_Duder_Gooder I would say you are right except that there have been many people that just leave. That have called police. Many many many that get out. Just maybe these boys are just as horrible if not worse then thier father???
After all what they have been through, they shouldn't be in prison anymore 💔
*After all they've been through,
@@January. Hey, murdering your parents takes a lot outta ya!
Are you a troll or just nutz? What about their murdered parents??? They were out buying Porsches and Rolexes the day after their parents were killed. Poor boys - fool!
@@January. Well, English isn't my mother language, obviously. I speak Spanish, English and Dutch. Do you feel better now that you came to review my grammar? How many languages do you manage to speak, read and write? Doesn't it happen to you that sometimes you write fast just to get something out of your chest and later you notice that you actually made some mistakes? I guess you're not very familiar with how is it to deal with different languages in your daily life, Mr./Mrs. Righteous.
You remind me the kind of people that I used to have on the phone with my former job (in Mexico): First thing they said was "English please" 😒
@@chicosmommy498 *off your chest
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There is a letter Lyle wrote the cousin that said “that thing with dad is still happening” he wrote his cousin as a child! Show that!
That was Erik! But yes I believe it's been filed in the appeal!
Yes ,, SHOW IT !!!!!
There are people who have murdered for no reason, who have spent less time in prison. Let them out!!
36 years is really a very long time. Isn't it enough for so young men, who did not know what else to do after all these years of abuse? I don't think they would be a danger for anybody. Let them have a little bit of life!
the father wouldnt let ecric move out because of the dads sick twisted secret. he controlled them horriable mentally s and physically prob as well. they had to do everything he wanted they were not allowed there life to live it please give them this now there hadly gonna on a rampage.
They lived a dual existence growing up. It's a fact that the dad was a severely abusive pedophile and the mom was an abusive alcoholic who potentially committed incest herself with Lyle. They have served a life sentence already - Free the Menendez Brothers.
Amen
What was their excuse for murdering their mother then? They even threatened to murder the therapist. There were no allegations of abuse from her, and she was absolutely no threat to them. In fact, if they let her live, she could have been the only credible witness to back up any allegations of sexual abuse from Jose-that is, unless that story was false. I guess murdering Kitty would cover up the actual truth then.
Maybe they killed her because she didn’t protect them.
@@sierrarmcclain That's not justification for murder in the eyes of the law because if it were, then even your kids could claim that as justification for your own murder. You must pose an immediate, personal, violent threat to someone to make a justified homicide claim. Kitty was never a threat to anyone and was not involved in any sexual abuse claims. The Menendez brothers never claimed such.
@rodneyboehner3007 Was just speculating. 🤷🏻♀️
I can't believe it's been 34 years since I watched their trial
The dad was obsessed with menudo and clearly he had a thing for abusing young guys. Obviously murder is never ok but, abused ppl sometimes snap and I think that’s what happened here. What he did to his sons alone is terrible, the mother allowed it to go on. Nobody knows why these boys did this, be it for greed so they could get all the money his father had or whatever, I think they just had enough of being abused by both parents. You can’t really say what you would do in this situation, they clearly had enough.
This motion is a total waste of time. Despite what they say about their father, they still murdered their mother in cold blood who was absolutely no threat to them, nor have they claim she abused them sexually. In addition, Lyle threatened to kill the therapist for knowing about the murders. What's the point of overturning one first-degree murder when the other one is not even contested> They don't release you when one uncontested murder conviction still stand.
And why did they murder the mother? She would have been the only credible witness who could have testified on their behalf if their claims of sexual abuse by the father were true. By killing her for no reason, they pretty much proved she could not confirm Jose's sexual abuse. GUILTY!!!
I agree ☝️ you said it correctly 💯
There are more children who are abused in this country than you can imagine. MURDERING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IS AGAINST THE LAW IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY. CALL 911.
@@rodneyboehner3007 did I say they weren’t guilty? I don’t see that anywhere in my comment…
I also never said they deserve to be out of prison.
I did however say, murder is not ok.
The dad abused them and the mother being drunk and high on pills all the time let it happen. Never did I say they didn’t do it, it’s pretty clear they did it, and they had their reasons. Does it make it right? No, no it does not!
How would you feel if the ppl that were supposed to protect you did the things these boys (at the time) went through? You can’t really say because you weren’t in their position.
Like I said, they had enough and they snapped, that does happen. Ppl can only take so much and what their dad did to them was terrible and nobody should have to endure that kind of abuse at the hands of their parents. Let’s not sit here and act like the two that were killed were perfect upstanding people because they weren’t. Some victims do kill their abusers, maybe they did it because there was no way from under their father. Had they not of killed their parents it is highly likely the abuse never would have been known about.
If they want to file motions then, they can do that. To them it’s not a waste of time and I’m sure to others That are in the same position don’t feel it’s a waste of time. The attorneys sure don’t think it’s a waste of time it’s what they get paid to do.
You took what I said and completely twisted it into how you feel. At the end of the day you don’t know these guys nor did you know their parents. The only ppl who truly know what went on are the 4 ppl involved. It’s easy for you to sit and assume things. Have you ever been abused? It really messes with a person, and some don’t just get over it some get really pissed off and retaliate.
@@rodneyboehner3007 Do you think their mother sat and watched this go on? I’m sure she knew something was going on but, not everything. She was abused by the dad as well not to mention so blown out of her mind all the time. Their marriage was Shit and she was there for the money, no person in their right mind would put up with the way Jose treated them had he not of been rolling in money. You act like it’s some big secret Jose was an ass, pretty much everyone that has spoken about Jose didn’t think he was a super nice guy.
Hard to believe it has been 34 years!!
I'll start with what Mark Geragos correctly pointed out: If these were the Menendez SISTERS, the case may not have even gone to trial. When I heard one of Jose Menendez's "country club pals" state during an interview prior to the first trial, that there has been whispers for years about what Jose was doing to his sons, but it was such a taboo topic, especially since it was ALL MALES involved, that basically, a decision was made that nobody was going to get involved, because it was a "private family matter."
Cowardly bullshit. The abuse sustained by these brothers sufficiently mitigated the crime, which they have never denied, and the charge should not have been a first degree offense.
They have paid their debt to society and should be released, especially in light of the additional information which has come forward. If the State of California saw fit to parole Leslie Van Houten, the parole of the Menendez brothers should be a given.
Excellent point
Agreed.
That's interesting about the country club pals. I saw where the jurors (I believe from the first trial) were asked about their verdicts. They asked those who (all men I believe) voted "guilty" why that was their vote. They all said the same thing - that they couldn't believe that a father would do that to his sons. Everyone else on that jury believed the boys were abused and had voted "not guilty".
@@kam2162 The look on this man's face said it all back then. He knew that "Jose Menendez was sodomizing his sons - there is no sugar coating that fact, and but not for his money, someone named "Jose Menendez" would not have even been admitted into that Country Club.
Now that "set" was left to contend with one of their members who was a homosexual pedophile, victimizing his own sons, and now we've also learned, the kid from Menudo. I guarantee you several more young men who never came forward.
Menendez should have been thrown out of the Country Club and any other member who had credible information, based upon visits to the Menendez home, should have filed reports with the Police.
🙏 I hope they both will be free 🕊 soon!
Wow, 33 years ago...
It sure doesn't seem like it's been that long ago.
Ikr? I was in high school at the time
34 years technically
Yeah, I was a year away from drinking alcohol legally?! 😝
Life after 21 is like warp speed; or rather, Ludicrous Speed?! And I'm close to hitting Plaid! 😝
Yeah, it doesn’t seem that long to us- but I’m sure it does to them😢
Let them out!
Why wouldn’t the guy come forward BEFORE NOW? It makes no sense, since the case was very much in the spotlight. Something is fishy in this.
I wish he would've come forward sooner to help the brothers but we have to consider how trauma works & just how difficult it is for an abuse victim to admit what happened. Btw Roy's abuse by Menudo manager & Jose Menendez's work associate, Edgardo Diaz, was corroborated by other members of the band. In the trial you will see plenty of evidence that Jose abused his own sons so why wouldn't he abuse a child he works with? It all makes sense. I recommend watching the Peacock documentary "Menendez + Menudo: Boys Betrayed" to get a better understanding of Roy's case & his connection to Jose Menendez.
They should be released
This is coldblooded murder. They should be in jail for life. They were out for several hours and then came back to the house, come on! The Mark Jackson card is proof enough. They are watching basket ball and they paid for the most expensive seats.
Agreed. Release them.
@@michaelmagnum7132, that was a coping mechanism.
@@Silence_Duder_Gooder Coping mechanism sounds like an expression you've learned from some left-wing university. I've read they spent 700 thousand dollars before they were arrested. Some coping mechanism!
@@michaelmagnum7132, I have never attended a "left-wing university."
And you obviously don't understand psychology. 🙄
Free Lyle and Eric🔜
I believe they should walk out & be free.
Whaaaatttt???? A member of Menudo was messed with by papa Menendez???
What about killing the mother,????????
she sat by and allowed it what do you mean??? they did their time should be freed@@katiemcdavid4124
@@katiemcdavid4124She also abused them.
They were bad people - should have never been parents.
@@margaretf6147Yes she did. People tend to forget that. Not only psychologically but I believe she physically sexually abused Lyle. Not often. Once is enough. That everybody always says they didn't have to kill her she didn't do anything blah blah blah makes me sick
Kitty conspired to keep it hidden.
So, so sad she didn't protect her children.
Yep, she chose money and her lifestyle over her children. She knew and ignored it. Women always know what's going on behind closed doors.
@Hummingbird_Singer Not only that but Kitty participated in abusing the brothers herself even when Jose was away at work. Watch the testimony on how she treated her sons & the abuse she put them through. Absolutely horrific.
Peacock has the 3 part Menudo+Menendez series, it’s very compelling evidence that Lyle and Erik were truthful
Ohhhhh, 'compelling'. Aren't you special. The go to pavlovian buzzword of just about every tiktok dipshit these days calling for the Menendez brothers to be released.
They should have been released years ago.
I don't think so. They commited two 1st degree murders.
They need to be set free. It's way overdue. Murder is not ok but I say if your dad rapes you your entire life you should get a pass.
You don’t walk in and blow both your parents away with shotguns. They had to reload to shoot their mom in the face. They wanted the money. If the abuse is true you hire an attorney and go to the authorities (.)
How would you know how they felt under those circumstances? You can't. I don't condone the murders, but I would guess they felt trapped like they couldn't tell anyone.
What planet do you live on? And what freaking world could you go in the late eighties/early 90s and make allegations like this and have anyone believe you, especially if you’re male? I’m an attorney and I know enough about our justice system to tell you emphatically that they would not have been believed, and judging from the sentence they got, they were not believed.
@angelafpagano1605 You make it sound so simple but if you watch the full trial you will understand exactly why the brothers felt they had nowhere to turn. This was the 80’s where there was still a stigma surrounding males being abused let alone by their own father who was a respected multimillionaire. The brothers were raised in a very specific way to fear their father & obey him at all costs. Any disobedience was met with physical & sexual violence. Jose ruled that household, no two ways about it. Kitty not only turned a blind eye to what Jose was doing, she also participated in the abuse & didn’t show any signs of affection to her children, on the contrary, she would tell them how much she hated them, leave them unattended in public places, & threaten to kill them on a regular. basis. This has been corroborated at trial by witnesses who actually knew the family. The brothers were threatened if they ever revealed the abuse, Jose would kill them. Keep in mind this all started when they were small children (5 or 6 years old.) They weren’t allowed to make any friends growing up & were taught to view anyone outside the family as an enemy. The few times they did ask family members for help, nothing was done about it due to fear or simply not believing that Jose (who was respected in his family ) would be capable of doing such things to his children. This is all very complex & the reloading could be due to their heightened psychological state of fear from the events leading up to that week maybe mixed with some anger about what they had been subjected to their whole lives.
such a waste
of two lives..
their father sounds like a creepy crawler.
#truthseekersunite
#justice
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If a member of Menudo was assaulted by the father --- let the Menedez brothers out.
No
Bing molested is not a free pass to kill people or to get out of jail for murder.
@supme7558: You’re right. - but we don’t know the extent of it. I know that sexual abuse screws people up for the rest of their lives. Doesn’t justify murdering someone - but - I understand how it can happen.
@@supme7558bullshit
@@supme7558Yes, it is.
I do think they were abused as kids but they were adults - self defense doesn’t work that way - if they shot him in the middle of the act then yes that’s self defense. It’s like a woman who stays with her abuser and decides to kill him one day instead of leaving unless she did it in the middle of an attack it is not self defense… I do believe though they deserve a resentencing because they are no harm to the public and they were in there long enough… I mean look at Gypsy Rose and other abused victims they serve about 10 years but not life…
*_"I do think they were abused as kids but they were adults - self defense doesn’t work that way"_*
Sure it does. The psychology of that abuse says it does. They were groomed since they were of adolescent age. They were not taught independence, so their abusers could keep abusing them. Otherwise, they would have been able to get out of there. That lack of independence kept them in a holding pattern. I would call it self-defense delayed. They obviously feared both of their parents.
Also, notice how their violence was isolated to just those two people. They've been in prison for 34 years and have not once acted violently against any other prisoners. In fact, like Mark Geragos pointed out, they went in the opposite direction. This tells me that the killing of their abusers was a one-time event out of fear and probably _some_ vengeance, but I don't even blame them for that.
Imperfect self - defense, A defendant uses deadly force with an honest but unreasonable belief that it is necessary to defend himself, the element of malice, necessary for a murder conviction, is lacking. Imperfect self - defense. Lyle and Erik thought their parents were going to harm or kill them for exposing abuse.
@MissysAngels You have to consider the long history of abuse, psychological state of the brothers, and the events leading up to the killings. The defense would more accurately be imperfect self defense. At the time of the killings, Lyle had already threatened to expose his father for the sexual abuse( something Jose had threatened with death if the secret was ever let out) & Erik was still being raped. The parents would not allow the brothers to leave the home. Jose ordered Erik up to his room to wait for him (Erik thought he would be sexually attacked again or killed.) At that moment was when the brothers went to get the guns to kill the parents. I recommend watching the brothers testimony to get a better understanding of what they said lead up to the murders.
So basically the brothers did society a favor and kept their dad from molesting any more children. Time to let them out, they've served plenty of time for the actions already.
They were adults by the time of the murders and could have moved far away and had no more to do with their parents like millions of people around the world. They did it for the money. It was a very brutal murder too.
Agreed
It wasn't for the money you ignorant fool! Watch the first trial and educate yourself instead of relying on false info. The father had so much control over both of them all their lives. Erik was constantly threatened since he was a kid that he'd be beaten to death if he ever ran away or told anyone. And Lyle knew he'd never left him go even after he found out and told the father he'd tell the police and the family. That's why they were scared the parents would kill them.
The age does not remove the years of abuse, molestation and permanent damage to these 2 young men. If you didn't live through it with them, you can't explain the why or what triggered the murders. Spending spree is being used to describe joy when it was an expression of their freedom from being controlled and abused.
@@smoll8746 I watched the entire trial back when it happened and many, many documentaries about it through the years. It was planned and it was about the money. They were adults who could have reported to authorities at any time that their father was like that. They could have moved away anywhere. Their mother was no physical threat. She had to go or she would have inherited everything if they just killed him. You should really watch the entire trial with the acting they did on the stand and how they were always referred to as "boys" when they were spoiled men. Kyle was already wearing a toupee by then too. Good thing all of us don't snap and kill everyone that has abused us in life.
@@TheWaterlily2012 thank you for the information.
If Leslie van houten of Charles Manson fame can be released a ed why not these brothers?
In a fit of rage, he killed his father with a double-barreled 12 gauge shotgun. Then to kill his mother in the same fit of rage, he reloaded.
They are no "cleared" of murder. They are absolutely murderers. The only issue is that they might be eligible for different sentencing guidelines due to a mitigating factor. But no matter what their father did, they are not entitled to ambush murder him as well as murder their mother.
I agree.
Keep them in prison. They are murderers.
I agree.
Time to free them and let them live their lives. They removed their ped-0 abuser and ped-O sympathizer from this Earth. Good riddance! How many children’s lives did their father ruin? I hope he’s rotting in hell.
Mark, get them out of there. They did their time.
I haven't heard much about this lately, but I hope they will be set free. It has been long enough.
Love to Roy for speaking up with his truth ❤
As if you or anyone else here even gives a rat's ass if Roy Rosselló even finds peace of mind and closure if what he claims is true. This is just merely adequate rumor and innuendo to throw into the bucket of the Lyle and Erik Menendez release fund. Regardless of how things shake out, I doubt you or most of the tiktok groupie brigade will even remember Roy Rosselló's name, but then that's by design, as he was never the true objective here.
I think it’s important they can allow this information into court. Does not make it ok to kill anyone, but they deserve a fair trial
It's a total waste of the court's time because the mother's murder conviction remains uncontested, so all you need is 1 standing first-degree murder conviction to stay in jail for life. The courts won't consider even reviewing their murder conviction of their father unless the new evidence completely questions both murder convictions. Clearly, there was no justification for the Menendi to brutally murder their mother because she didn't do anything wrong AND she was absolutely no threat to them at all.
In fact, they murdered the only possible credible witness who could have corroborated any claims of sexual abuse by Jose to keep her silent, so that pretty much tells me their claims of sexual abuse by Jose were completely made up.
@rodneyboehner3007 Have you even watched the first full trial? (Clearly not.) The defense proved that the mother not only knew about the abuse but she also participated in it herself. These are Kitty’s own family members, tennis coaches, teachers, people who actually knew her testifying to the fact that she knew & how she treated her sons herself. Kitty even threatened to kill the brothers & wipe out the entire family. I’m not understanding where people are getting this idea that Kitty was a helpless victim. This was not the case whatsoever. The brothers had plenty of reason to believe both parents would kill them.
@@gigiarroyo3939 Sorry brah, there was no sexual abuse from Kitty or Jose. I did watch the first trial which was a farce. In the re-trial, they banned TV cameras and rightfully so.
How do I know no sexual abuse happened whatsoever?
First, the brothers never claimed Kitty ever had anything to do with Jose's alleged sexual abuse during either trials or on TV interviews. To now claim those kinds of allegations against Kitty decades later prove now the allegations are categorically false. Even if she knew about the abuse (which never happened), that is not justification for murder because she never posed a threat to the boys. By that stupid reasoning, the brothers should also have killed each other because they also knew about the sexual abuse and did nothing.
In fact, I'd say that's a reason to keep Kitty alive since she would have been the only possible, credible witness in existence that could have corroborated or disproved any allegations of sexual abuse by Jose. Killing her basically proves the allegations were completely made up because that would shut her up from denying their false claims against Jose. Anyone can see from a mile away that, if the sexual abuse allegations were true, the last person in the world the boys should have killed was Kitty because she was the only person who could have given creedance-or not-to any allegations of sexual abuse by Jose. Thus, it is clear she was murdered to keep her silence because she would have shown all those claims were a lie.
Second, Eric's therapist, Jerome Oziel, whom Erik trusted enought to tell about the murders, never knew about any allegations of sexual abuse from Jose, despite the fact Eric was in therapy with him for years. Obviously, if Erik told him about the murders and Lyle threatened to kill the therapist if he ever told about the murders, the therapist should have known about any sexual abuse allegations because Erik would have told him about it long ago. Because he didn't, it is clear that story of sexual abuse by Jose was all made up.
@@gigiarroyo3939 The defense proved no such thing. They merely denigrated two murder victims who couln't defend themselves against the bogus allegations. Disgusting strategy but some people clearly know no shame.
You premeditated it. You were grown you could of left at anytime. You are where you belong. If you released them then you have to released all premeditated murders with that claim.
The original evidence shows they were molested and abused.
No, it doesn't I may only came up with it after the fact.
@@supme7558 it came up during trial. I watched both.
@@supme7558 read the transcripts then come back and talk. I watched both trials .
Why is he just now coming forward with this? That is the question
Because these guys have been riding him from prison. I don't believe it for a second I even if it's true it means nothing
One, that's called victim shaming, and it further pushes other victims into deeper hiding when they see a response like this to someone else finally finding the courage to come forward. Don't do that.
Two, victims wait YEARS to come forward out of shame, guilt, fear of ridicule, fear that they are somehow to blame or will be in trouble, they had more than the one abuser that they were waiting to pass away because they held positions of power and a far reach that the victim was afraid of retaliation for coming forward on their crime partner(s), or fear that they too would go to prison if anyone knew that their abusers forced them to abuse other victims or help aid in the abuse of others, not realizing that as a minor child, they are not responsible for that, and fear of offending, hurting, or making their family mad at them for turning in their abusers (most child predators are related to or close family friends of their victims family).
This man was in a very successful boy band. I have no doubt that there were other offenders involved. Powerful men with lots of connections and money. Maybe a whole trafficking ring like Corey Feldman often speaks about. He could have been threatened back then or even more recently about what they'd do to him or his family if he ever came forward. He may have waited until that man or men either died, are too old and frail to pose a threat, or finally got locked up for other offenses against other victims. The power of threats and grooming can imprison a child abuse victim for decades after the abuse stops and they are no longer a child, but an adult who should know by then it's all a scare tactic. You've obviously not been a victim yourself or else this would come as common sense to you. I was terrified to tell my parents about the abuse I suffered at 5 years old until my second grade teacher did a whole mandatory unit on molestation and abuse and assured us that if we experienced anything like that, we could tell him in confidence and we would NOT be in trouble and our parents would NOT be harmed in any way. I told him at recess and he told my parents at the parent-teacher meeting a few days later. I was SURE my dad was going to beat MY ass. Instead, he grabbed his shotgun and went to our neighbor's house to find the adult cousin who would visit them regularly to kill him. Thank God nothing happened, but the cousin was never at their house again and I wasn't allowed over there either. But you see how afraid I was of my father that I had somehow done something wrong and would be punished with a belt across MY ass for something a grown ass man did to me that he shouldn't have done?? He grabbed me, pulled me into a dark room, and while rubbing his hands down my stomach and legs, said to me in Spanish how much he wanted to make love to me. That's it. That's all he did. Now imagine a young boy being forced to perform sexual acts on a grown man, or men after every band practice for God knows how long, the fear he must have felt should he tell anyone about it. Would his parents be mad at him? Would he get his ass whooped by his father? Did the abuser(s) threaten to kill his whole family? Did they lie to him and say they killed some kid that doesn't come around anymore because he talked when in reality he moved away or just stopped coming around? These creeps will SAY anything to keep you from saying anything. They will lie, they will fill your head with ideas, they will groom you into believing it's OK, it's special, and it'll get you special treatment or favoritism or privileges. They'll use religion and scripture to convince you it's what God wants or what makes God favor you more. They'll use their power and influence. ANYTHING. The power that fear has over a person is unbelievable, that's why you can't fathom why this man waited so long to come forward. I'm sure he had his reasons... VALID reasons.
Now ask your stupid question again. SMDH.
The mom was guilty for allowing it. She would let her husband take boys into rooms and basically keep watch and not let anyone in. She knew exactly what she was doing. Predators. Both parents.
That would be hard for anyone to share with the world. He probably has only recently come to terms with the abuse. Can't be easy for a guy. Victims tend to feel guilt and shame, though they have no reason to and it's not their fault.
yeah they've served long enough. I say give them a 2nd chance.
Newsnation used to be good. Now it's the National Enquirer.
Sarasota county Florida USA full of kid being abused by officers of the courts and other officeals
Those parents didn’t deserve to children children!!
Life is strange 😮
WoW 😮
Why cut it off there?
They need to be set free!
Let 'em go.
No
Thank God for MG. Hoping they get some repreave.
In most other countries in the world they would have served their time by now - Add to that now evidence of further abuse by their father I think its time to look at freeing them after 34 years
The dad deserved it. Free them
How often do you hear about an inmate saving taxpayers millions of dollars? That alone and the fact they’ve been in 33 years is cause for release in my opinion.
God, you people are ignorant.
Such a great point. Agreed
Gary Plauche is seen as a hero to most people for murdering his sons molestor but for some reason in this case it’s “well they still murdered and deserve to stay in prison.” The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
These people have their own issues to deal with, obviously.
When a victim retaliates, people often struggle with the once passive recipient of harm having taken control of their narrative in the most assertive way possible. Their "worth" is measured by their ability to suffer silently and maintain resilience. Of course Jody Plauche is the perfect victim, what role does he play in his own story? Do people even know his name? Jody's story became a backdrop, his voice was completely drowned out by the louder narrative of a father's revenge.
When parents retaliate against an ab4ser, it is interpreted as a natural extension of their parental claim. While the ab4se victim acting out against their tormentor disrupts the established power dynamic. Any harm to the child is an affront to the parent, and the revenge taken a restoration of honor. There's an almost cinematic quality to the narrative, it's a tale as old as time: a wronged parent seeking justice for their child, driven by protective instincts. This narrative is palatable, almost expected. It satisfies the collective craving for a just resolution.
I also think the value put on selflessness over self-preservation plays a role. The defender is perceived as a hero willingly stepping into harm's way for the well-being of another. When an individual prioritizes their own safety, they are perceived as selfish or cowardly, especially if the context involves confrontation or conflict as I have seen in numerous arguments against the brothers.
They did their time, let them out.
Never
The "new evidence" only establishes a potential reason for why they killed their father. Even if it resulted in them plea bargaining down on that murder charge and getting credit for time served related to that charge: It does not absolve them from having killed their mother.
Legally, maybe. But she enabled him. She was as guilty as him.
She knew and did nothing to stop it or protect them.
The mother that knew watched and didn’t protect her boys ? That ‘mother’ ?
They would accuse the Mother (Kitty) as playing a role in the abuse that the father was conflicting on both sons. She could've saved them from his abuse but never did.
@jonimcdougall7624 A lot of us would get to kill our mothers with this justification lol
Why would you cut off his explanation there?! Wtf
Maybe because he's full of shit?
Set them free.
Is it just me who can’t stand Banfield? She just goes on and on and tries to milk EVERY single story to its VERY last bit.
Let them out enough is enough already❤❤❤
OMG...I can't believe it was 33 years ago already! I wonder what they look like now...
They're not boys. But then they were never boys when they gunned down their parents in cold blood. Best not to get sentimental here since youth does not always equal innocence.
@@jstephenj I'm old...and nor does old age. A holes exist at every age.
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I agree. Reloading one's rifle with ammo to deliver the fatal coup de gracé to the mother's face right after they had already pumped several rounds into her is quite the assholish thing to do. I would also venture to guess that the vast majority of law abiding citizens not living in the tiktok/social media bubble are also in agreement as well.
You could be right 😃
They still murdered them
Wouldn't you?
Raped by their own father who molested other boy's. Scary scary
If these guy had been repeatedly abused then shooting the father was just a way of self defense, and the mother who stood by drunk and did nothing to help them,was just as bad as the father, abused children will snap, and they deserve justice for what they have to go through, how can a judge withhold evidence especially if a child had been abused by his/her own father and mother, that's beyond me, it's just sick imo. the parents sound like a rich version of the D wells case, except in that case the child went missing. And still has had no justice or her body found . Will the judge withhold his past victims as well. It all leads up to a much bigger picture about these abused kids, and should never ever be excluded at any trail.
Why do people keep saying Kitty Menendez "stood by and did nothing". She sure didn't "stand by", she actually participated in the molestation of the boys. Eric himself said on the stand that she molested him. She was as much asn abuser as her husband was.
@spirithunter1470 Yes, unfortunately Kitty not only stood by and let it happen but she also participated in the abuse herself. These brothers had no way out honestly. They were taught not to trust anyone especially with the secret of the sexual abuse or it would lead to death. The few times they did try to ask for help, nothing was done. The parents made sure the secret would not get out & because they were rich & respected, nothing was done about it. It was also a different time period where society wasn’t yet ready to accept that men could be abused.
Let’s say they were sexually abused. It doesn’t give them the right or excuse their behavior of blowing up their parents with a shotgun…and then go on a shopping spree.
#justiceformenendezbrothers
#freemenendezbrothers
I believed in my heart that they were sexually abused. They need to be freed and cleared.
What happened
Shall we recall on a little defendant named cass anthony
I have no faith in the Justice system
Well, for inocent people they talk, behave and look guilty as hell.
@cesaravegah3787 They committed the killings, no doubt about that. The real question is why and whether it constitutes self-defense or imperfect self-defense & would mean they get a lesser sentence than the one they were given. Btw they were given life in prison with no parole because the judge limited important pieces of evidence from the second trial. In regards to the “killing for money” that charge was dismissed by the grand jury because there simply was not enough proof. The spending spree was a coping mechanism much like drugs or alcohol to get over the trauma they lived through.
Those sweaters swear they were good boys
Let them out already
Those confessed murders have cost the taxpayers over $3 Million!
They’ve suffered their whole lives-turn them loose
Set the free
Why didn't this guy come forward years ago?
@freedombarbie5494 I recommend watching the Peacock documentary “Menendez+ Menudo: Boys Betrayed” where Roy Rosselló explains the trauma he went through & why he didn’t come forward sooner. It is not so easy for victims to talk after going through such an ordeal. There are layers of trauma & fear there. Btw, Roy’s abuse by Menudo Manager & Jose’s business associate, Edgardo Diaz, is corroborated by other members of the band. If you watch the first Menendez trial, there is plenty of evidence that Jose abused his sons. There is also proof that Roy & Jose met. Even if there is no physical proof that Roy was abused by Jose (which it’s hard for any rape victim to prove after so many years) I believe him based on all of the corroborating pieces.
Who is paying Mark Geragos?
I assume he's working pro bono for the free publicity and potential windfall should the ninth circuit allow these two conniving murderers to be released from prison.
Murder is murder, they deserve to rot where they are. The victims are not here to defend themselves
So even though both their parents were pedophiles (and there's evidence of that), you still support and defend them?? What kind of a sicko are you?!!
Are they still eligible for their parents inheritance if they get out?
defense lawyers got it all
They should be freed
The SA doesnt say u can kill someone but we understand them
Y’all see what Rosie O’Donnell said
*Why didn't this Menudo member come forward before? That's criminal IMO. Also, why does CZcams never notify me of your vids, even though my notifications are set to "all" on this channel??*
California is the worst state in the country in many ways. One being the judicial system
So says an out-of-state troll. California subsidizes all red states of the United States. You red states have your hands in California’s pockets and you cannot survive without California.
They look like Menudo member ,,I guess it adds up on father's obsession
I would be symphatetic if brothers just surrendered to the police. My father and mother did this and that, we were afraid and that's why we killed them. But they lied that they were present at time of murders and then left on a spending spree with no care for the world. In the end they paid the ultimate price. I would actually agree to let them out now, even though i think they won't be ready for the outside.
@domagojsusac I think that’s the part of the case that makes it a little difficult for me but I can understand how they wouldn’t want to be caught. After all, their whole lives were filled with intense abuse & stress (one could argue they were already imprisoned by their parents) before the killings. So I can understand being afraid & not wanting to go to jail for the obvious selfish reason. But the brothers also were raised to be incredibly secretive & did not want to talk about the sexual abuse. Getting caught would mean having to tell the truth & explain what had lead up to this. They had incredible shame about the abuse& did not want to taint their father’s reputation (as crazy as that sounds, but this is corroborated by the recorded statements they gave about their father after the killings.) They were raised to view their father as a god & Lyle even testified that a part of him felt he betrayed his father by revealing the abuse. The spending spree I see as two rich brothers who already had a lot of material wealth their whole lives spending even more $ to get over the trauma they endured (much like drugs or alcohol indulgence). Erik was also suicidal & depressed after the murders & he confessed what he had done to the therapist & tried to tell a friend ( so in the end his confession is what got them caught.) Police did sloppy work & could’ve have caught them that first night.
Menudo never said anything until now, seems very selfish to me
I hate it when young it off interviews mid sentence. Why????
Other neighborhood kid Said DAD MOLESTED HIM TOO. THEY just killed their molester. Let them GO.
Everybody don't forget. The mother was a drunk. Not only did she emotionally or psychologically abused them by ignoring that the father was, but she also sexually molested at least Lyle. She deserved what she got also.
Did Lyle admit to this?
shw did ?????????????????????
Those two killers had a lot of time to come up with more excuses, but even if all their stories were true, it's no excuse to slaughter two people in cold blood.
@@janecoe9407 I never heard one thing about that. I doubt it's true.
That is not a cause to murder your parents!!!! Its still murder they did it
Why are they in jail for that long what happened
@lisagauthier-lx4th Judge Weisberg (who was the same judge at their first trial) severely limited evidence being allowed at the second trial. So the brothers were unable to fully defend themselves because they weren’t allowed to talk about the long history of abuse leading up to the murders. There was no backstory so the jury found them guilty & they got a life sentence with no parole. Some jurors from the second trial would later say, if they were allowed to see all of the evidence, they would have decided differently. At the first trial, the juries were unable to make a decision about first degree murder because they heard all of the abuse evidence leading up to the killings & many saw it as self defense.
@@gigiarroyo3939 wow thank you
I think Erik and Lyle were treated so unfairly in the second trial and have now served enough time in prison. They deserve to be out. And I also hope they get to see how much support they have by thousands of strangers.
The Menendez brothers were abused by Menudo?
No, a member of Menudu was abused by their dad. He was a record producer.
Well you did murder them. It s a question of did you do it because of abuse