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The blueberries(Tau player myself) are technically less well known among the Imperial Guard Citizens. Technically there have only been two or three (physic awakening kinda counts) campaigns against them and I bet the elites would keep a more "Friendly"* technology advanced race secret from their oppressed citizens
I would love to hear you talk about the salamanders and space wolves how they are bro for the people of the imperium give him kinda the idea of how much shit they get for it.
Really good stuff. I'm pretty sure however that people dying doesn't strengthen chaos, rather the worship of it in the material universe does. It's only when someone is sacrificed in the name of chaos that said chaotic entity gets power from it.
My favorite Tyranid story features big man Ghazghull himself. So when Ghaz was going on his Orky crusade to unite the Orks he stopped on one planet to recruit a Warboss there and his army. Well, when Ghaz arrived, the particular Warboss he was there to recruit was fighting a swarm of Tyranids, so Ghaz and his boys headed on down to the planet surface to help fight off the Tyranids but while they're fighting, Ghaz ends up getting swallowed whole by a particularly large bug, but when he was halfway down the throat of this bug, he just punched his powerclaw through the chest of the bug and just tore his way out, while all the other Orks were cheering him on.
I (now I have major bias) hate that story it is the planet of Octavius and the bug that he kills is a mawloc which if any of you all know what that is it has a strength of 6 in game. Now the battle for Octavius is the longest ongoing battle with the nids it is between orks and nids so the war never ended and was producing massive amounts of orks and nids making each group stronger and stronger with thousands of bodies on each size. There were bio titans that were massive fighting in this war. There were no question likely thousands of bugs bigger and stronger then a stupid mawloc. And these orks were fighting them and holding them in a stalemate and your telling me that the orks and nids just stop fighting as soon as some ork kills a mawloc after being eaten. No they could have done this so much better. Have Ghazy take down a bio titan for crying out load. It makes me so sad one of the most epic wars taking place in the galaxy just ends cause one mawloc dies.
@@aidenwasson7489 oh you read the whole battle? Neat was their any other major things that came from it or no, and also i think that after a while the tyranids just decided to leave because it was taking way too long to get rid of the orks
I love Tyranid vs. Chaos matchups, because it basically amounts to both sides shouting: "What the fuck, I can't eat this?!" and it's basically a giant waste of time for both sides...unless Hive fleet Kronos is involved.
@@Megumin.. It's was created specifically to fight Warp-based threats. The Shadow in the Warp it produces is MUCH stronger than other Tyranid Hive Fleets, to the point where they cause physical pain to Daemons just by being around them while also severely weakening them. It's so specialized that it doesn't fight anything except Chaos. Since they can't convert Daemons into biomass, other Tyranid forces will invade a planet and neutralize its defenses so Kronos can consume it in order to strengthen itself further.
@@ricpreganz2772 that is by far my favorite bit of lore of the tyranids Thank you for teaching us this bit They litteraly evolved to a point they can fuck hell Amazing
I'm surprised you didn't talk about how the admech successfully stopped an entire hive fleet tendril by itself by just staying far underground, remote controlling all of their defenses with zero biomass for years and entirely starved and fought them off with nearly no casualties.
@@swtorguy52 What kind of planet would the admech be able to mobilize in enough force to fight off nids at all, but a forge world. Oceans boiled away thousands of years ago, wildlife and plants extinct, etc.
my favorite tyranid story is the one with deathleaper, a lictor on the imperial world of st. caspelan. deathleaper knew that killing st. caspelan's spiritual leader, cardinal salem, wouldnt weaken the defense of the planet, but bolster it as the people would see him as a martyr and fight harder to get revenge. so what deathleaper did was infiltrate any and every place the cardinal was in and kill everyone in the room but leave the cardinal alive, and he did this for like 9 or 10 days. knowing that this tyranid could be around every corner made him paranoid as fuck, but not understanding why it never killed him fucked even more with his mind, cause this creature had every chance but never took it and he couldnt understand why. and his broken, paranoid mind and the confusion he caused trying to hide from this monster was a bigger blow to the morale of the people defending the planet than his death would be. "It's there, I know it is, lurking in the shadows, stalking me like an animal. It's death itself I tell you, just watching me, waiting… Oh blessed Emperor, why won't it just kill me?" -cardinal salem
The hive mind devoting a fleet or splinter or a single unique organism, to adapt its very thinking better to better fight its enemies by understanding their “lesser” thinking, is a fun and scary concept.
Fun fact, the ultramarines were so traumatized from their interaction with nids that they changed their structure so they have -i think it was like a tyranid specialist company, and to get an ultramarine to realize he needs to change SO BADLY that he ignores his primarch's big book o' rules, that is some MASSIVE blunt force trauma.
Preemptive Lore Spoiler: Old One Eye ate a pack of croctilids and gained their ability to warp travel. That’s why he’s seen on different worlds despite “dying” several times.
I like the idea that clones of him are just made by hive fleets and redeployed as a form of psychological warfare (which the tyranids are suprisingly good at despite not even feeling fear)
@@PeachDragon_ I wouldn't say the *most* intelligent but definitely up there, along with Tzeentch and a couple C'tan maybe the old ones and Big E if we want to stretch it
yeah. tyranid noticed a effect one eye had when noticed. fear. so it would appear again and again. and cause panic. so a tyranid born with the damaged eye. (instead of just forming a complete carnifex. they add a damaged eye)
Well, being that Nids are all soulless drones that collectively share one massive soul. Old One Eye is just one drone that left such a scare on the other races. The Nids learned to just create more of the same drone and send it out to cause chaos and make it easier for them to gather that sweet sweet biomass.
Or, like I prefer to think of it, it's an example of the fact that Tyranids aren't just fleshy robots. Nids, even individual bugs, can grow and learn. The difference is that most don't survive long enough, or aren't deployed in sufficient numbers for the difference to be obvious. But for those that do, we get things like Deathleapers and Red Terrors, Old One Eyes and Broodlords.
The fact that we got an entire tyranids episode without a Blood Angels mention, and his claim that only an ultra marine had touched the hive mind (the Lord of Death would like to have a word with you) shows why we need an episode on the sons of Sanguinius.
the whole baal story was a fiasco it has a lictor with ego problems only nid players who prefer their blood angel army actually see it as cannon with how much it shits on previous lore its even more silly then the norn queen landing on the ultramarine planet to lead in person space marine writers shouldnt be allowed to write nid stories
Nids are kinda one of those factions that have the problem where if the lore got expanded out too much, they would become boring. It's the mystery of their origins and the only-outside-perspective that makes them an interesting enemy.
Kinda feeling this tbh. Whereas the Necrons defo benefit from being more thoroughly realised, it’s pretty ok to keep the bugs as a true existential level threat that is entirely neutral as far as the moral rules/compasses of the galaxy go.
i agree but i wish they made them even more Lovecraftian. In the sense of having more going on with them. IDK my main gripe is that there motives is just to eat things and that kind of it, but it be cool if there was a bit more too it. Like they have a motive to their madness. Like what if there was like a Tyrannid city or something kind of like Yuggoth. That be interesting. Maybe even have nids which are like the Mi-go
@@dasme8210 There's a pretty good theory that they might be some sort of galactic bioweapon engineered by the last surviving Old Ones, who may have taken refuge outside the milky way, perhaps in another galaxy entirely. The Tyrranids give them a potential self terminating true galactic wipe which the Orks could never hope to be, which would allow the Old Ones to return and rebuild the galaxy as they truly intended it to be.
This was great as a tyranid fan, but Im sad there was no mention of my boy, "the doom of malan'tai", a zoanthrope nid who snuck past the aeldari on a craftworld, ate their infinity circuit and then just destroyed the world and disappeared. He's great.
He's why neurothropes exist. Hive mind saw Malan'tai and was all "write that down." I don't think it's a disappearing act, more that they just started feeding zoans souls galaxy wide.
@@FatManWithNoPlans Imagine the whole point of your race getting cucked by a bunch of burly space locusts. The while point of your race was a weapon against the necrons for some space boomers. too bad they forgot to install a fucking off switch.
It doesn't suggest anything though. It literally outright states in the Epilogue that it was what got their attention to the milky way.. The astronomicon is the thing that makes them attracted to Terra in particular WHEN they got into the galaxy.
For me it's just bad writing. Like the author wanted so badly to connect Tyranids to Ultramarines. Next thing we'll learn is that somehow Roboute Guilliman was responsible for creation of the Silent King... :P
@@felis1977 Same I like the concept, but the writing was poor for not why but how Pharos gets destroyed. The thing is that the Ultramarines are actually pretty cool and I actually like Roboto Grillymaster. It's just that a certain M named guy turned them all into the biggest Mary Sue possible AND THEN GW liscensedd put to Marvel and [MASSIVE F*CK-OFF SPOILER] THEY KILLED OFF MARNAEUS CALGAR thinking that's what we wanted. No we wanted Matt Ward to fly a kite, Calgar was actually cool.
I think you could explain the shadow in the warp like this: They are communicating with each other psychicly so it would be like trying to talk to someone at a party with people talking aroudn you everywhere. But it's inside your head and you can't go away
or psychic being a voice travel via air which is the warp. and SitW is the big blob of vacuum that your voice cannot pass through and if you're too near, you suffoc...
And the way nids talk is just a bunch of hisses and claw sounds, so it would be like an infinite amount of gargled noise being bass boosted directly into your brain, no wonder psykers end up clawing their eyes out when near a nids ship
@Jack Mesrel I actually don’t think so the Hive Mind is what basically amounts to an incomprehensible eldritch god in a sort of parallel or pocket version of the warp. This is what the Psychers are probably hearing. Not nids chattering but a loud speaker blasting commands to their billions of soldiers (probably individually) and if they can hear that, it makes sense their heads explode and if they can understand it, it will drive them insane the entire time
My favorite story from any Tyranid invasion is when they fought the Orks. During the Second Tyranic War, after having been exiled from the inquisition for condemning billions of imperium citizens to Exterminatus to slow the advance of hive fleet leviathan, Kryptman wasn't about to give up his fight against the nids. And he thought that the imperium has expending too much time and too many resources to fight the Orks of the Octarius sector, so Kryptman lured a tendril of Leviathan to the Ork held sector, hoping that one Xenos race would weaken themselves and annihilate the other... But both Tryanids AND Orks T H R I V E in wartime, and it was such a good fight, that it attracted Greenskins from across the galaxy to fight, but all that extra biomass just let the tyranids make more of themselves and it was such a good fight, that it attracted Greenskins from across the galaxy to fight, but all that extra biomass just let the tyranids make more of themselves and it was such a good fight, that it attracted Greenskins from across the galaxy to fight, but all that extra biomass just let the tyranids make more of themselves And... if I'm reading the Tyranid codex right, THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING EVEN TODAY
Ah, the Octavius War... it is still going, and it is feared that whoever wins will be so powerful that they will end all the other races due to numbers and battle experience...
A good plan, moderate execution, amazing if unexpected results. The greenskins streaming towards the fight from every corner of the galaxy will ease the strain on imperial troops there, freeing up forces to fight the nids. And that particular tendril is locked down tighter than holy terra itself. It will never get past this block of orcs unless every greenskin in the galaxy is exhausted. And at that point the imperium is long dead amd buried.
While fighting Trayzn, Orikan once jumped his consciousness into the mind shackle scarabs in Trayzns shiny new swarmlord. He instantly jumped back out, screaming as if all hell was on his heels.
It’d be a unending battle it’d be great for every ork killed they release their spores for more orks and the nids get endless biomass if no side can take the advantage
This is actually Happening. Octarius War, look it up. Essentially as a plan Inquisitor Kryptman lured the Tyranids away from Mankind and to the Orc Imperium with the plan that they will eradicate each other. Sadly for him, the war is escalating really badly, Nids constantly adapting and get way stronger, Millions of orc swarming in for a great WWAAAAAAAGH. Now we have a huge meat grinder going on in that sector and who ever wins will become vastly stronger and overthrow all Humans in the vicinity. As always: A great plan has successfully backfired beyond our imagination.
In Kryptman's defense... The planets in the Hive fleet's path likely have Genestealer Cults already embedded, if you evacuate the planters you spread the infestation to many more systems.
If that's true, that's a retcon to justify his actions. Tyranid codexes from editions 3-8 all say Kryptman destroyed the planets to deny biomass and the Imperium was pissed he destroyed valuable innocent worlds.
@@Mechagodzilla128 to be honest, I think his actions, unknowingly, hindered the Genestealer Cult spread. Not saying he Exterminatus'ed the planets to halt the Cults and deny biomass to the swarm.
I hope they don’t develop characters for hive fleets. Characters in hive fleets is how you ruin hive minds. The borg queen is a good example. Also Kerrigan from Star craft. If an individual is in control of a hive mind, then the hive mind has a weakness. That is one reason the tyranids are so hard to stop, they do not negotiate with food.
Every ‘character’ should be the hive mind’s unknowable intelligence, and the bioform itself should be the interesting part with physical characteristics and behavioral quirks that make it stand out.
@@brilobox2 They do kind of have some character already (Mind you I haven't finished the video at time of posting so I'm not sure if they mention any of this) in the different behaviors present in certain hivefleets. Like there's the cannibal ones that primarily hunt other Tyrranids, or the ones building that big biological warp negating tower.
@@Chronomaton Characters in this sense as in a story character, a story arc, or traits of personality. Part of the charm of Tyrranids is that they represent cosmic horror, the great unknown, the undefeatable terror that seeks to destroy every lifeform while we are totally clueless to understand them.
One of my favourite theories is based around the fact that they keep the genetics of anything they consume. The theory is that the old ones created the tyranids in an attempt to fight the necrons, because the ctan fed on souls they would kill everyone in the galaxy and thus starve the ctan out. Once the ctan and necrons were gone they could repopulate the galaxy. Ctan: "We will consume your souls!" Old ones: *furiously making tyranids* "NOT IF WE DO IT FIRST"
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I played with an Old One Eye a few times. In a game against Chaos Marines, he proved his worth! He murdered 2 units of Berserkers, a Rhino and beat down Abbadon with some assistance from a Swarmlord. The Swarmlord did not survive that fight though. From that day I didn't play without him.
The truly scary thing about the Tyranids is that each hive ship is just a single cell of some lovecrafian super organism about to just nom the entire galaxy as it passes by.
Hive Fleet Kronos eats the warp... let that sink in, they adapted a Hive Fleet to eat Daemons and warp storms. They could literally convert Daemons and warp storms into biomass to make more Tyranids.
They don't actually gain biomass from the Warp creatures and daemons, they just happen to be REALLY good against the Warp. WHat actually happens is that other hive fleets will attack planets and kill off the defenders and leave ready-to-convert biomass for Kronos to consume to replenish its numbers
They do not eat the warp they just hive fleet design to beat the warp daemons, They get food from left over another hive fleets. They like the only fleets that test the warp because of Kronos now entire swarm immune from nurgle diseases.
I’d just like to point out the story where a planet was being invaded but they had excellent orbital defense. Well the tyranids were drop shipping the swarm because they couldn’t land and rushing the lines. The guardsmen were being swarmed but the cannons were so big that they didn’t care... until they stopped firing. The swarm flooded the barrels of the orbital cannons till they couldn’t fire. Tyranids
No, he blew up planets before the tyranids got there. He got excommunicated because he didn't call for the planets to be reinforced, he just blew up a ton of them in the nids path.
@@dalekrenegade2596 I mean, Starcraft was apparently supposed to be a 40k game, so homage isn’t really what happened there. Probably why every faction in Starcraft is practically identical to the ones in 40k (minus the backstory stuff, although there are still similarities).
@@TmanTheTdog Thats Warcraft. And it wasnt even going to be a WHF game but just a offer mid development that most of the staff denied, a couple of hardcore warhammer fans in blizz still reached out and got ignored. Meanwhile 40k certainly didnt mind changing a lot of its lore and designs in 3e when a certain popular RTS was hot (including Nids entire design and part of their core concept).
Kinda forgot to mention how they traverse space in the first place which is another nasty thing about them. While they move relatively slow, they achieve interstellar( or galactic?) travel by having special bio ships bend space in the direction of a located system, which causes natural disasters decades before the fleet of hive ships arrives. After an Invasion, the capillary towers serve the purpose of transporting all gathered biomass, including the ground troops, into these hive ships in the outer atmosphere.
Yeah the fact after everything else has been thrown into the bio-pools the nids just jump straight on in no need to waste time trying to get up to the ship just get fucking recycled, or the terrifying fact that nid bio-ships are alive and can and will eat whole ships to digest the ship with its own nid version of our own stomachs bacteria to aid in digestion
"Rippers are like the size of a cat, no more like a mouse." Naaah, cat is right, I think, just a bit more compact. As a result, Gaunts are actually about the size of a person, just with the old theropod stance that means they're a fair bit shorter but much longer. I actually have both models right here and can make a comparison, Tyranid Warriors *TOWER* over Space Marines, the Marine only reaches up to like the Warrior's upper armpit. "Carnifexes, which are like the size of cars," VERY BIG CARS, a Carnifex is like a bit smaller than a double decker *bus.* The wiki says they're 4.5m high at their tallest point and their main bulk is about as long as that and almost as wide!!! "No, more like a semi truck" Yeah, closer to that. Nids be Hueg.
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Old One Eye is basically a cryptid. But my theory is he evolved the ability to WARP TRAVEL kinda like a crotalid. Maybe he found a big group of them, ate them, and was able to incorporate their DNA into himself and yeah can now warp travel.
@@Ajehy The lore varies, but essentially they don't actually know what it is they're worshipping, and because of this Daemons and Chaos Gods can easily trick them if they manage to actually make contact. One clan of them got stuck in the Garden Of Nurgle and mistook Nurgle for their god, which Nurgle obviously took full advantage of.
@@nephilimking4998 Sometimes, and they are much easier to convert, but not always. A pure strain genestealer can be tricked or coerced into turning to Chaos if directly confronted by Chaos entities of sufficient power while not being directly controlled by the Hive Mind.
@@notsae66 There’s a good mention of this sort of event happening in the Charadon campaign books; There’s a temple of Be’la’kor that had been excavated by a genestealer cult, only for the entire cult, and their patriarch, being sacrificed to summon a form of Be’la’kor to wreak havoc
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One of my favourite Tyranid characters is the deathleaper, just how it drove a commander insane and didn't kill him, as then he would be a martyr. It just kept showing him that it could, but never did.
Funny ya mentioned Chaos ‘Nids, because back in the day genestealers were considered chaos demons, since the bugs weren’t a thing yet. Plus, looking at it from modern canon, the genestealers were an advance force so it sorta makes sense in a backwards way, as your average Imperial pre-behemoth wouldn’t be able to identify a difference.
You should’ve talked about Hive Fleet Kronos (a fleet that are specifically adapted to fight chaos) Edit: and also about how Ka’Bandha lead a legion of Khornate to Baal and fight the Nids
And wouldn't have hurt to just mention how fucking cool Hierophant Bio-Titans are. Or the Ultramarines 1st Company and the Battle of MaCragge. Also, hey kiddo.
It’s implied that they don’t come from the sides of the galaxy, but from above, hence why the fleets appear out of sequence, but the above thing is probably even more terrifying then being surrounded.
There's an interesting bit of lore from the Ciaphas Cain series where a 'Nid splinter fleet or scout fleet was buried under an ice planet that he accidentally freed. Inquisitor Vail sent them to a forge world that ended up backdating them to M37 or M38, implying the 'Nids have been probing the galaxy for some time.
The Swarmlord (Hive Tyrant), The Red Terror (Ravener), The Doom of Malantai (Neurothrope), The Parasite of Mortrex (Shrike), Old One Eye (Carnifex). Basically every named special character for tyranids is a suped up version of existing unit type. Definitely should dive into them if you do another episode. Especially the Parasite from 5th edition codex.
There's a quote from the story Down Amongst the Dead Men that encompasses the glory and value of resisting to the bitter end: "It has already been calculated that you cannot win this battle, that is not your objective. Your objective is to ensure that victory costs the enemy dearly. The enemy's resources far outweigh your own, for every second you stand against his guns however, you deplete those resources; you make him weaker. The price of this achievement in return is only that resource most abundantly available to us and most easily replenished, the price is that which is already the Emperor's by right. Praise be our Father, our Guardian. Today you'll face defeat at the small cost of your worthless lives, but die bravely, die hard, and your meager sacrifice will help pave the way for His most glorious triumph in the future. Praise be to the Emperor."
Just imagine how funny it would be you took Johnny Rico from starship troopers and put him up against the tyranids, and on the other hand take a single Terminator put it up against the entire arachnid horde.
Honestly if it was book Rico with his nuclear rocket s,bombs,flamers laser gun and marauder power armour, he'd get quite a few of em the mobile infantry in the books are more or less mini more mobile space marines in terms of equipment they just lack the biological enhancements
My favourite thought about tyranids is that since they get their victims DNA and they have won some battles against space marine, in a way, there is a hive fleet out there with the Emperor's DNA in their databanks and that's scary af.
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Desert Raiders, Talarn guard regiment gets ripped apart fighting the nids, then they go to a planet that they wanna eventually colonize. Only for the nids to invade and kill them all, but hey, they beat the vanguard ship though.
I feel like the tyranids left their previous galaxy heading in all directs, and it was during this journey they were attracted to the Milky Way for whatever reason, so that’s now they’re all converging on it and coming from separate directions. Also, don’t some imperial worlds contain organisms that are starting to be identified or speculated to have ties to the tyranids, even though they have exist for thousands of years, like on Catachan and the Fenrisian Kraken?
Tyranids are a recent incursion. Tho there is evidence to show Tyranids invaded before and lots of planets have creatures tied to them. No one is sure when this happened. My guess during the war in heaven. I don't know any other portion of Warhammer history. That would also explain why the elder know about them and fear them.
Its been established that the event that attracted them was the destruction of the pharos beacon shortly after the heresy and now that their in the galaxy they are all slowly moving towards terra, guided by the astranomicon
@@ivybennett2274 this isn't entirely true, for sure the Pharos beacon has spurred the current Tyranid onslaught. That doesn't explain how Tyranid life forms arrived in the galaxy before the imperium of man.
@@etherealhawk Is definitely helping that yes but life the above comment the Pharos beacon is move widely assumed to have attracted them this time. The astronomicon is for sure giving them a stable reference point. Tho like I said to the person above, it still doesn't explain why there is Tyranid bio forms that predate the imperium
The Ultramarines detonating an emperor class battlecruiser to destroy the nids is more like burning your house down to obliterate a termite infestation, which is a perfectly valid response.
dude mephiston killed a load of tyranid on a space hulk by entering their mind and giving them the black rage. also tiamat are building some kind of beacon on a world and no one can get near it without tearing their own eyes out.
@@hivefleetlavellan2256 the tau killed a fraction of a hive fleet. considering their plt armour though im surprised if they wouldnt take on the whole mass and win effortlessly when it arrives.
@@inccubusdaniel9249 the marker is already psychic , it also has physical energy , but yeah they'd be thanos bugs at that point. Ain't a can of raid in the universe can fix that at that point.
The shadow of the warp is simply the sheer volume of the Tyranid communication, it's like trying to whisper a lullaby whilst standing next to the speakers in a motorhead concert
The tyranids are scary because even the books don’t know where they come from. Think about that, the things more powerful and knowledgeable than the emperor and chaos gods, who know every detail, don’t know where they come from. It’s like if the narrator was explaining an enemy and suddenly got stabbed and fucking died in a show
Back when I played in 2nd edition, the Tyranids had a gun called the Devourer. It was basically a boltgun with sustained fire dice, which was firing ammo that was eating the target If it get a kill, the unit had to make a fear check.
I think my favorite part about this podcast is how wrong they are on just about everything to do with the tyranids because we end up with way funnier bits then if they knew everything
I wish he talked about how Tyranids get biomorphs, which are living organisms that work with the Tyranid host. All of their weapons are living organisms as well, even their bone swords. A great example is a part from devastation of baal, in which a group (I guess a gaggle) of carnifexes were attempting to scale a fortification. Even after one of the carnifex's head was blown away, it's gun was able to control the host's corpse and still climb. Really Cool stuff
You also kinda butchered the first contact. Tyran was the first planet they were sited at by the imperium, and they completey decimated the population there. Tyranids had devoured dozens of worlds before they actually arrived that a planet in the ultramar system called Prandium I think (it was a garden world, considered the Jewel of Ultramar). The marines tried to fight them via the codex but the smurfs were soundly defeated. The Tyranids kept devouring planets until they were finally stopped at Macragge, which is where Marneus got bodied by the swarmlord. Also, the entire first company of marines was eradicated and it took over a century to rebuild the chapter. Good stuff
Tyranids are basically a mixture of the following: - Xenomorphs from Alien - The Flood from Halo - The Marker Cults from Dead Space - John Carpenter's The Thing Yeah, they're fucking terrifying
I think the most unsettling scary thing about the Tyrannids is that they may have devoured every other galaxy in space and we may be the very last vestige of life.
Orikan was also able to tap into the Hive Mind. He basically mind hopped into it, but he never said what he saw. He basically just screamed like crazy then popped out again lol
Reminder: These podcasts are not a zero sum game, if we didn't talk about something, it doesn't mean we will never talk about it again, and if we did talk about something, it doesnt mean we are done with the topic forever. So if we glossed over a specific conflic or character - don't worry, we will come back to this topic again and cover all these various characters and events at some point in the future.
The blueberries(Tau player myself) are technically less well known among the Imperial Guard Citizens. Technically there have only been two or three (physic awakening kinda counts) campaigns against them and I bet the elites would keep a more "Friendly"* technology advanced race secret from their oppressed citizens
Sad you didn’t talk about the lore that says all the current hive fleets are just scouts for a main fleet that hasn’t been seen
I would love to hear you talk about the salamanders and space wolves how they are bro for the people of the imperium give him kinda the idea of how much shit they get for it.
Really good stuff. I'm pretty sure however that people dying doesn't strengthen chaos, rather the worship of it in the material universe does.
It's only when someone is sacrificed in the name of chaos that said chaotic entity gets power from it.
So question what is a zero sum game?
My favorite Tyranid story features big man Ghazghull himself. So when Ghaz was going on his Orky crusade to unite the Orks he stopped on one planet to recruit a Warboss there and his army. Well, when Ghaz arrived, the particular Warboss he was there to recruit was fighting a swarm of Tyranids, so Ghaz and his boys headed on down to the planet surface to help fight off the Tyranids but while they're fighting, Ghaz ends up getting swallowed whole by a particularly large bug, but when he was halfway down the throat of this bug, he just punched his powerclaw through the chest of the bug and just tore his way out, while all the other Orks were cheering him on.
WAAAGH
And people question that he's the prophet of both Mork and Gork! What a joke.
I (now I have major bias) hate that story it is the planet of Octavius and the bug that he kills is a mawloc which if any of you all know what that is it has a strength of 6 in game. Now the battle for Octavius is the longest ongoing battle with the nids it is between orks and nids so the war never ended and was producing massive amounts of orks and nids making each group stronger and stronger with thousands of bodies on each size. There were bio titans that were massive fighting in this war. There were no question likely thousands of bugs bigger and stronger then a stupid mawloc. And these orks were fighting them and holding them in a stalemate and your telling me that the orks and nids just stop fighting as soon as some ork kills a mawloc after being eaten. No they could have done this so much better. Have Ghazy take down a bio titan for crying out load. It makes me so sad one of the most epic wars taking place in the galaxy just ends cause one mawloc dies.
Is it from a book? Tell me please
@@aidenwasson7489 oh you read the whole battle? Neat was their any other major things that came from it or no, and also i think that after a while the tyranids just decided to leave because it was taking way too long to get rid of the orks
I love Tyranid vs. Chaos matchups, because it basically amounts to both sides shouting: "What the fuck, I can't eat this?!" and it's basically a giant waste of time for both sides...unless Hive fleet Kronos is involved.
Newbie here... What up special about Kronos?
@@Megumin.. It's was created specifically to fight Warp-based threats. The Shadow in the Warp it produces is MUCH stronger than other Tyranid Hive Fleets, to the point where they cause physical pain to Daemons just by being around them while also severely weakening them. It's so specialized that it doesn't fight anything except Chaos. Since they can't convert Daemons into biomass, other Tyranid forces will invade a planet and neutralize its defenses so Kronos can consume it in order to strengthen itself further.
@@ricpreganz2772 thanks for the clarification.
@@Megumin.. No problem. Still kind of new to the franchise myself. That's why I love video's like these!
@@ricpreganz2772 that is by far my favorite bit of lore of the tyranids
Thank you for teaching us this bit
They litteraly evolved to a point they can fuck hell
Amazing
I'm surprised you didn't talk about how the admech successfully stopped an entire hive fleet tendril by itself by just staying far underground, remote controlling all of their defenses with zero biomass for years and entirely starved and fought them off with nearly no casualties.
Great. I can hear those holier-than-thou toaster fuckers dissing “weak-ass flesh” even harder now.
And thaaaaats the power of technology, kids!
What about wildlife and plants or oceans? What kind of planet was that?
They might not invade if the juice is not worth the squeeze.
@@swtorguy52 What kind of planet would the admech be able to mobilize in enough force to fight off nids at all, but a forge world. Oceans boiled away thousands of years ago, wildlife and plants extinct, etc.
A forge world with plants, water, and wildlife is much weirder than one without.
"Nid fans are like a battered house wife."
Beastmen: [Moos in depression]
Squats squat in in silence
*Skarsnik laughing intensifies*
@@cthulhubecausewhynot1182 Man, even on other channels Khazrak cannot be spared from Skarsnisitas
One of my friends (decades old nids player) recently broke up with GW and left completely. I’m proud of him.
@@miguelperez9906 Squat is a dead decomposed housewife
Tyranids, bringing a whole new meaning to the term "live ammunition"
ork shokk attack gun
@@uzrdutiutfiztdf3545 I know but does the Gretchin live after he's fired?
@@wiiblii8584 usually they survive the firing itself
@@uzrdutiutfiztdf3545 good point but in the "love ammunition" category Nids have more because all weopons use living things as ammo
BEES EVERY WHERE!!!!!!!
my favorite tyranid story is the one with deathleaper, a lictor on the imperial world of st. caspelan. deathleaper knew that killing st. caspelan's spiritual leader, cardinal salem, wouldnt weaken the defense of the planet, but bolster it as the people would see him as a martyr and fight harder to get revenge. so what deathleaper did was infiltrate any and every place the cardinal was in and kill everyone in the room but leave the cardinal alive, and he did this for like 9 or 10 days. knowing that this tyranid could be around every corner made him paranoid as fuck, but not understanding why it never killed him fucked even more with his mind, cause this creature had every chance but never took it and he couldnt understand why. and his broken, paranoid mind and the confusion he caused trying to hide from this monster was a bigger blow to the morale of the people defending the planet than his death would be.
"It's there, I know it is, lurking in the shadows, stalking me like an animal. It's death itself I tell you, just watching me, waiting… Oh blessed Emperor, why won't it just kill me?" -cardinal salem
The hive mind devoting a fleet or splinter or a single unique organism, to adapt its very thinking better to better fight its enemies by understanding their “lesser” thinking, is a fun and scary concept.
Is that Baldemort’s story?
@@Aredel Baldermort did elaborate on it in one of his audios.
Can someone do Salem a favour by just executing him via the head multi times. Do it until his head is just. *gone*
Would it be funnier if the cardinal tried to end himself multiple times, only for DeathLeaper to be like “ Oh no you don’t! “
Fun fact, the ultramarines were so traumatized from their interaction with nids that they changed their structure so they have -i think it was like a tyranid specialist company, and to get an ultramarine to realize he needs to change SO BADLY that he ignores his primarch's big book o' rules, that is some MASSIVE blunt force trauma.
Tyrranic War Veterans, whom pretty much all became part of the 1st company that was decimated in the Battle of Macragge.
Don’t forget Calgar making a pact with the Chaos God of bad writing
@@eerikki298 decimated? You mean wiped out to the last man.
@@eerikki298 oh yes. The first had their faces eaten
To be fair, that book was designed with the mindset of Galactic Threats.... not extra-galactic horrorshows.
MA, GET THE BUGSPRAY!
MA, THERE’S THIS WEIRD BUG OUTSIDE. I DON’T WANT IT STARTING A FIGHT WITH THE ULTRAMARINES.
You might need more than bug spray for these bugs... Time for the heavy flamer
@@cryamistellimek9184 MA! THEY LOOK LIKE GRANDMA! MAAA!
Might wanna change brands they just adapted a resistance to it
The HEAVY Bugspray
Preemptive Lore Spoiler: Old One Eye ate a pack of croctilids and gained their ability to warp travel. That’s why he’s seen on different worlds despite “dying” several times.
I like the idea that clones of him are just made by hive fleets and redeployed as a form of psychological warfare (which the tyranids are suprisingly good at despite not even feeling fear)
@@ivybennett2274 of course they're good at psychological warfare, the hivemind is the most intelligent being in existence by far
@@PeachDragon_ I wouldn't say the *most* intelligent but definitely up there, along with Tzeentch and a couple C'tan maybe the old ones and Big E if we want to stretch it
Old One Eye has regeneration on TT, but still only has one eye
@@Aredel The Hive knows it looks cooler
The theory is that Old One Eye actually is cloned for more psychological warfare or how uniquely strong he is.
I mean hell did old one eye take on G-man? Even though he got wrecked by G-man
Occam's Razor always works
yeah. tyranid noticed a effect one eye had when noticed.
fear.
so it would appear again and again. and cause panic.
so a tyranid born with the damaged eye. (instead of just forming a complete carnifex. they add a damaged eye)
Well, being that Nids are all soulless drones that collectively share one massive soul. Old One Eye is just one drone that left such a scare on the other races. The Nids learned to just create more of the same drone and send it out to cause chaos and make it easier for them to gather that sweet sweet biomass.
Or, like I prefer to think of it, it's an example of the fact that Tyranids aren't just fleshy robots. Nids, even individual bugs, can grow and learn. The difference is that most don't survive long enough, or aren't deployed in sufficient numbers for the difference to be obvious. But for those that do, we get things like Deathleapers and Red Terrors, Old One Eyes and Broodlords.
One of my favourite Tyranid facts is when their fleets cover the skies of an Ork world, they cheer and party as the fight comes to them.
Of course, because that means Orks get an endless fight
They are both kinda hive-minded, makes sense.
*slaps giant space whale* This thing can fit SO MANY BUGS!
We're practically GIVING bugs away. In truth, we ARE. SUBMIT TO THE STAR cHILDREN
The tyranids when they see any planet: it’s free real estate
*whale slaps back the tyranid doing the first slapping*3
this thing can fit so many space marine body bites.
*Pats Vulcan* This guy can die so many times that the foul Zenos just give up trying to kill him and become his friends.
@@willbournerv2259 with a lifetime supply of food!
"'Nid players are like a battered housewife."
Starting off strong, Brick XD
My best friend plays them, and I can confirm this.
When you tap in the hive mind it's just a million voices saying 'biomass go BRBRBRBRBRBB'
The fact that we got an entire tyranids episode without a Blood Angels mention, and his claim that only an ultra marine had touched the hive mind (the Lord of Death would like to have a word with you) shows why we need an episode on the sons of Sanguinius.
Agreed as a tyranid and blood angel player, I really want dk to be taught the way of the blood
I’d also love to talk about the imperial guard and Tau allying to beat the crap out of a adaptive tyranid swarm
Yeah I legit said “NOPE!” Out loud at that point. Bless Bricky he tries.
the whole baal story was a fiasco
it has a lictor with ego problems
only nid players who prefer their blood angel army actually see it as cannon with how much it shits on previous lore
its even more silly then the norn queen landing on the ultramarine planet to lead in person
space marine writers shouldnt be allowed to write nid stories
@@ashardalondragnipurake How does it shit on previous lore?
Nids are kinda one of those factions that have the problem where if the lore got expanded out too much, they would become boring. It's the mystery of their origins and the only-outside-perspective that makes them an interesting enemy.
Kinda feeling this tbh.
Whereas the Necrons defo benefit from being more thoroughly realised, it’s pretty ok to keep the bugs as a true existential level threat that is entirely neutral as far as the moral rules/compasses of the galaxy go.
i agree but i wish they made them even more Lovecraftian. In the sense of having more going on with them. IDK my main gripe is that there motives is just to eat things and that kind of it, but it be cool if there was a bit more too it. Like they have a motive to their madness. Like what if there was like a Tyrannid city or something kind of like Yuggoth. That be interesting. Maybe even have nids which are like the Mi-go
@@dasme8210 If your looking for an eldritch city, I recommend looking up Hive Fleet Tiamat
Yeah, they got that kinda Lovecraft vibe. Better to keep them this unknowable threat than to over explain and it become like the aliens franchise.
@@dasme8210 There's a pretty good theory that they might be some sort of galactic bioweapon engineered by the last surviving Old Ones, who may have taken refuge outside the milky way, perhaps in another galaxy entirely. The Tyrranids give them a potential self terminating true galactic wipe which the Orks could never hope to be, which would allow the Old Ones to return and rebuild the galaxy as they truly intended it to be.
This was great as a tyranid fan, but Im sad there was no mention of my boy, "the doom of malan'tai", a zoanthrope nid who snuck past the aeldari on a craftworld, ate their infinity circuit and then just destroyed the world and disappeared. He's great.
Get fucked eldar lmao. Put all that work only it for it to get gobbled up by a bad bug.
He's why neurothropes exist. Hive mind saw Malan'tai and was all "write that down." I don't think it's a disappearing act, more that they just started feeding zoans souls galaxy wide.
@@FatManWithNoPlans Imagine the whole point of your race getting cucked by a bunch of burly space locusts. The while point of your race was a weapon against the necrons for some space boomers. too bad they forgot to install a fucking off switch.
still sad that new eldar god doesnt have bite marks
part of its creation got eaten, that should have left a mark
That event was stupid as shit
*sniffs air*
*Gnashes teeth*
*Sharpens claws*
Oh yeah it's bugsnax time
Bunger
@@thatguyyouknow1512 "NO, BUNGER, NOOO!"
@@XarathDominion BUNGER YES
i felt for sure you were guna say gamer girl feet xD
Bunger
The Pharos blowing up is, allegedly, what got the Nids' attention.
At least that's what the end of the book "Pharos" suggests.
Ah so there is a comment mentioning this. ;-;7
It doesn't suggest anything though. It literally outright states in the Epilogue that it was what got their attention to the milky way.. The astronomicon is the thing that makes them attracted to Terra in particular WHEN they got into the galaxy.
For me it's just bad writing. Like the author wanted so badly to connect Tyranids to Ultramarines. Next thing we'll learn is that somehow Roboute Guilliman was responsible for creation of the Silent King... :P
@@felis1977 Same I like the concept, but the writing was poor for not why but how Pharos gets destroyed.
The thing is that the Ultramarines are actually pretty cool and I actually like Roboto Grillymaster. It's just that a certain M named guy turned them all into the biggest Mary Sue possible AND THEN GW liscensedd put to Marvel and [MASSIVE F*CK-OFF SPOILER]
THEY KILLED OFF MARNAEUS CALGAR thinking that's what we wanted. No we wanted Matt Ward to fly a kite, Calgar was actually cool.
The average imperium citizen that knows about choas is generally dead.
To be fair the same can be said the same or even moreso about the Tyranids -
I think you could explain the shadow in the warp like this: They are communicating with each other psychicly so it would be like trying to talk to someone at a party with people talking aroudn you everywhere. But it's inside your head and you can't go away
or psychic being a voice travel via air which is the warp. and SitW is the big blob of vacuum that your voice cannot pass through and if you're too near, you suffoc...
That actually sounds horrible.
Big E and magnus teaming up with massive psychic megaphones:SHUT THE F**K UP
And the way nids talk is just a bunch of hisses and claw sounds, so it would be like an infinite amount of gargled noise being bass boosted directly into your brain, no wonder psykers end up clawing their eyes out when near a nids ship
@Jack Mesrel I actually don’t think so the Hive Mind is what basically amounts to an incomprehensible eldritch god in a sort of parallel or pocket version of the warp. This is what the Psychers are probably hearing. Not nids chattering but a loud speaker blasting commands to their billions of soldiers (probably individually) and if they can hear that, it makes sense their heads explode and if they can understand it, it will drive them insane the entire time
maybe old one eye is the hive mind's "killroy was here" it's a meme for the sake of psychological warfare
Reminds me of the bugs from lost in space. "A million bucks worth of weaponry and what I wouldn't give for a lousy can of Raid"
My favorite story from any Tyranid invasion is when they fought the Orks. During the Second Tyranic War, after having been exiled from the inquisition for condemning billions of imperium citizens to Exterminatus to slow the advance of hive fleet leviathan, Kryptman wasn't about to give up his fight against the nids. And he thought that the imperium has expending too much time and too many resources to fight the Orks of the Octarius sector, so Kryptman lured a tendril of Leviathan to the Ork held sector, hoping that one Xenos race would weaken themselves and annihilate the other... But both Tryanids AND Orks T H R I V E in wartime, and it was such a good fight, that it attracted Greenskins from across the galaxy to fight, but all that extra biomass just let the tyranids make more of themselves and it was such a good fight, that it attracted Greenskins from across the galaxy to fight, but all that extra biomass just let the tyranids make more of themselves and it was such a good fight, that it attracted Greenskins from across the galaxy to fight, but all that extra biomass just let the tyranids make more of themselves
And... if I'm reading the Tyranid codex right, THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING EVEN TODAY
Ah, the Octavius War... it is still going, and it is feared that whoever wins will be so powerful that they will end all the other races due to numbers and battle experience...
The day one side wins there, and leaves, they will be unstoppable.
Also some of the older orks thereare apparently the size of Dreadnaughts according to reports...
A good plan, moderate execution, amazing if unexpected results. The greenskins streaming towards the fight from every corner of the galaxy will ease the strain on imperial troops there, freeing up forces to fight the nids. And that particular tendril is locked down tighter than holy terra itself. It will never get past this block of orcs unless every greenskin in the galaxy is exhausted. And at that point the imperium is long dead amd buried.
While fighting Trayzn, Orikan once jumped his consciousness into the mind shackle scarabs in Trayzns shiny new swarmlord. He instantly jumped back out, screaming as if all hell was on his heels.
I know this is a year old comment but is this in a book? This sounds dope
@@skeletonwar2408 90 percent sure it's in The Infinite and the Divine, possibly could be in War in the Museum.
@@cousinzeke4888 And the legend replies! Much appreciated 👍🏼
@@skeletonwar2408 Notifications are pretty handy when they actually work. Don't mention it.
@@cousinzeke4888 in the Infinite and the Divine there are only Genestealer
Tyranids be the only faction that could be lookin at an Ork Waghh like a *SNACK*
It’d be a unending battle it’d be great for every ork killed they release their spores for more orks and the nids get endless biomass if no side can take the advantage
@@liamcivil5978 The planet would probably die first due to the orks using biomass in their reproduction and then get consumed by the nids.
@@liamcivil5978 like ants growing fungus, nyds could grow orks for their hunger
@@Pop013 I honestly don’t know if the nids would be that smart don’t seem like the farm having race
This is actually Happening. Octarius War, look it up. Essentially as a plan Inquisitor Kryptman lured the Tyranids away from Mankind and to the Orc Imperium with the plan that they will eradicate each other. Sadly for him, the war is escalating really badly, Nids constantly adapting and get way stronger, Millions of orc swarming in for a great WWAAAAAAAGH. Now we have a huge meat grinder going on in that sector and who ever wins will become vastly stronger and overthrow all Humans in the vicinity.
As always: A great plan has successfully backfired beyond our imagination.
21:39 "That sounds like the opening to Chaos Tyranids, right?"
Me: *Flashbacks to the All Guardsman Party...*
That story gave me the solution to any containment needs: Hit it in the face with a tower shield/ship hull plate. Repeatedly.
In Kryptman's defense... The planets in the Hive fleet's path likely have Genestealer Cults already embedded, if you evacuate the planters you spread the infestation to many more systems.
I’m sure that’s what he put into the reports
Is the Imperium even aware that genestealers and nids are actually related?
If they are now, were they back then?
If that's true, that's a retcon to justify his actions. Tyranid codexes from editions 3-8 all say Kryptman destroyed the planets to deny biomass and the Imperium was pissed he destroyed valuable innocent worlds.
@@Mechagodzilla128 to be honest, I think his actions, unknowingly, hindered the Genestealer Cult spread. Not saying he Exterminatus'ed the planets to halt the Cults and deny biomass to the swarm.
Hive fleet scroteus is the hive fleet to truly fear
Tyranids are just one big stream raid.
No their the seagulls from finding Nemo.
"Remember - SHOOT THE BIG ONES" Page 163 of the imperial infantryman's handbook (Revised edition published in 945.M41)
Take aim every tank every Titan every are kept at the big ones and focus fire on the bastard.
I hope they don’t develop characters for hive fleets. Characters in hive fleets is how you ruin hive minds. The borg queen is a good example. Also Kerrigan from Star craft. If an individual is in control of a hive mind, then the hive mind has a weakness. That is one reason the tyranids are so hard to stop, they do not negotiate with food.
Every ‘character’ should be the hive mind’s unknowable intelligence, and the bioform itself should be the interesting part with physical characteristics and behavioral quirks that make it stand out.
Agreed. It's the same as Cthulhu mythos, it's just horror monsters after more horrible monsters.
@@brilobox2 They do kind of have some character already (Mind you I haven't finished the video at time of posting so I'm not sure if they mention any of this) in the different behaviors present in certain hivefleets. Like there's the cannibal ones that primarily hunt other Tyrranids, or the ones building that big biological warp negating tower.
The Swarmlord says hi (granted, it’s more like a “greater demon” of The Hive Mind, but it’s a hero unit to be sure)
@@Chronomaton Characters in this sense as in a story character, a story arc, or traits of personality.
Part of the charm of Tyrranids is that they represent cosmic horror, the great unknown, the undefeatable terror that seeks to destroy every lifeform while we are totally clueless to understand them.
One of my favourite theories is based around the fact that they keep the genetics of anything they consume. The theory is that the old ones created the tyranids in an attempt to fight the necrons, because the ctan fed on souls they would kill everyone in the galaxy and thus starve the ctan out. Once the ctan and necrons were gone they could repopulate the galaxy.
Ctan: "We will consume your souls!"
Old ones: *furiously making tyranids* "NOT IF WE DO IT FIRST"
When you find a frozen Tyranid and your first thought is to crack open a cold one with the boys.
I liked that cutscenes in StarCraft too
my friends on why they picked their faction
friend 1: I picked the tau as I really like their mech suits, and also that they give the illusion of being good guys, but are super twisted on the inside
friend 2: I chose space marines as they are all ways getting updates and I enjoy the sheer amount of lore
friend 3: WAAAAAAAAAAGH
me: Hongry
I played with an Old One Eye a few times.
In a game against Chaos Marines, he proved his worth!
He murdered 2 units of Berserkers, a Rhino and beat down Abbadon with some assistance from a Swarmlord. The Swarmlord did not survive that fight though.
From that day I didn't play without him.
The truly scary thing about the Tyranids is that each hive ship is just a single cell of some lovecrafian super organism about to just nom the entire galaxy as it passes by.
I require more Kryptman in this episode. The fall of Tyran is actually pretty interesting
He is very strategic and conscientious about his mass murder
@@heavystalin2419 And he likes his recaff.
@@ANDELE3025 and his Xenos research
@@yeetertheteeter3388 His delicate Remleiz level xenobiology research.
@@yeetertheteeter3388 "So that's how they actually do it..."
Mawloc in lore- One swallowed Ghazghkull, who then proceeded to shoot and power klaw his way out.
Tbf, that’s entirely on par with the power of The Waaaagh. XD
@@ShahbazBokhari Ghaz gives 0 fucks about your intergalactic horror beast- he’s here to waaagh
@@lordhogwash8393 BIG MONSTA IS FITE. MUST *WAAAGGGHHH*
It wasn't gaz it was that beast snaga leader
Im only 3 minutes in, and as someone that has a Tyranid tattoo I fully agree that we’re battered house wives
Hive Fleet Kronos eats the warp... let that sink in, they adapted a Hive Fleet to eat Daemons and warp storms. They could literally convert Daemons and warp storms into biomass to make more Tyranids.
What is stopping chaos from dematerializing when it gets to the shadow in the warp?
They don't actually gain biomass from the Warp creatures and daemons, they just happen to be REALLY good against the Warp. WHat actually happens is that other hive fleets will attack planets and kill off the defenders and leave ready-to-convert biomass for Kronos to consume to replenish its numbers
They do not eat the warp they just hive fleet design to beat the warp daemons,
They get food from left over another hive fleets. They like the only fleets that test the warp because of Kronos now entire swarm immune from nurgle diseases.
@@fadelsukoco3092 Ohhhhhh well I was wrong I thought they ate the wrap storms and Daemons haha.
So your telling me we can launch those fuckers into the warp and see what happens
This podcast made me realize I want to run tyranids as my main army, no politics, no racism, no hatred, just HUNGY
Agreed
I love the nid’s lore
We as Tyranids, Need BUNGER to Feed, B U N G E R
I’d just like to point out the story where a planet was being invaded but they had excellent orbital defense. Well the tyranids were drop shipping the swarm because they couldn’t land and rushing the lines. The guardsmen were being swarmed but the cannons were so big that they didn’t care... until they stopped firing. The swarm flooded the barrels of the orbital cannons till they couldn’t fire. Tyranids
The classic finger up the barrel trick
Well, it least gargoyles are useful for something
Wasnt that from the planet they got their name from
Yeah, wasn't this from tyran?
Kryptman was excommunicated because he would let the Tyranid invasions progress until the capillary towers went up and then crack the planet.
No, he blew up planets before the tyranids got there. He got excommunicated because he didn't call for the planets to be reinforced, he just blew up a ton of them in the nids path.
Man I thought that knowing Zerg quite well not much would surprise me, but these bugs had to have guns
Well the zerg and starcraft in general are a not so subtle homage to warhammer.
The “guns” are in fact yet another, very much alive Tyranid subspecies. Certain varieties of “ammo” as well.
@@dalekrenegade2596 I mean, Starcraft was apparently supposed to be a 40k game, so homage isn’t really what happened there.
Probably why every faction in Starcraft is practically identical to the ones in 40k (minus the backstory stuff, although there are still similarities).
@@dalekrenegade2596 Reverse.
@@TmanTheTdog Thats Warcraft. And it wasnt even going to be a WHF game but just a offer mid development that most of the staff denied, a couple of hardcore warhammer fans in blizz still reached out and got ignored.
Meanwhile 40k certainly didnt mind changing a lot of its lore and designs in 3e when a certain popular RTS was hot (including Nids entire design and part of their core concept).
There’s that Dorn quote from TTS about Kryptman, “He was *exiled* from the *Inquisition* for being *too cruel*”
Kinda forgot to mention how they traverse space in the first place which is another nasty thing about them. While they move relatively slow, they achieve interstellar( or galactic?) travel by having special bio ships bend space in the direction of a located system, which causes natural disasters decades before the fleet of hive ships arrives.
After an Invasion, the capillary towers serve the purpose of transporting all gathered biomass, including the ground troops, into these hive ships in the outer atmosphere.
Yeah the fact after everything else has been thrown into the bio-pools the nids just jump straight on in no need to waste time trying to get up to the ship just get fucking recycled, or the terrifying fact that nid bio-ships are alive and can and will eat whole ships to digest the ship with its own nid version of our own stomachs bacteria to aid in digestion
"Rippers are like the size of a cat, no more like a mouse."
Naaah, cat is right, I think, just a bit more compact. As a result, Gaunts are actually about the size of a person, just with the old theropod stance that means they're a fair bit shorter but much longer.
I actually have both models right here and can make a comparison, Tyranid Warriors *TOWER* over Space Marines, the Marine only reaches up to like the Warrior's upper armpit.
"Carnifexes, which are like the size of cars," VERY BIG CARS, a Carnifex is like a bit smaller than a double decker *bus.* The wiki says they're 4.5m high at their tallest point and their main bulk is about as long as that and almost as wide!!! "No, more like a semi truck" Yeah, closer to that.
Nids be Hueg.
my dad has been playing cyberpunk recently. when he first started, he burst into my room and shouted, in a very panicky way, "My man doesn't have nippels!"
HAHAHAHAHAHA
@@guardsmanlars6797 Why are you laughing? This is a serious problem
I always liked the meme where gw invented tyranids to eat their mistakes
Old One Eye is basically a cryptid.
But my theory is he evolved the ability to WARP TRAVEL kinda like a crotalid.
Maybe he found a big group of them, ate them, and was able to incorporate their DNA into himself and yeah can now warp travel.
Rippers are more like dog sized
The gaunts are the size of normal humans
The story of that commander and the ogryn reminds me of forest Gump
I think that's the reference but a 40k version
Chaos Genestealers are a thing and have been for a long time. They don't get mentioned often, but they exist.
Yeah, I think it works because the ‘stealers are more independent than full-on bioforms.
@@Ajehy
The lore varies, but essentially they don't actually know what it is they're worshipping, and because of this Daemons and Chaos Gods can easily trick them if they manage to actually make contact. One clan of them got stuck in the Garden Of Nurgle and mistook Nurgle for their god, which Nurgle obviously took full advantage of.
Isn’t it the cultists and hybrids that become chaos worshippers and not the pure blood genestealers?
@@nephilimking4998
Sometimes, and they are much easier to convert, but not always. A pure strain genestealer can be tricked or coerced into turning to Chaos if directly confronted by Chaos entities of sufficient power while not being directly controlled by the Hive Mind.
@@notsae66 There’s a good mention of this sort of event happening in the Charadon campaign books; There’s a temple of Be’la’kor that had been excavated by a genestealer cult, only for the entire cult, and their patriarch, being sacrificed to summon a form of Be’la’kor to wreak havoc
Nothing like a adeptus podcast 2 days away from my birthday
Edit: thank you all for the happy wishes!
Edit 2: I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who took the time out of their day to say happy birthday to ultimately just some random person, who also loves watching these podcast. Its really nice of yall and honestly has made my overall mood go up a ton. So thank you all, and may the emperor watch over you. Also bug spray, make sure you have lots of bug spray
three days away from mine
like 200 away from mine
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@@Lvl20warlock hell yeah
Happy early birthday!
@@archmagosdominusbelisarius6681 thx!
"Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!"
"Imma burnin' 'em down!"
One of my favourite Tyranid characters is the deathleaper, just how it drove a commander insane and didn't kill him, as then he would be a martyr. It just kept showing him that it could, but never did.
Funny ya mentioned Chaos ‘Nids, because back in the day genestealers were considered chaos demons, since the bugs weren’t a thing yet. Plus, looking at it from modern canon, the genestealers were an advance force so it sorta makes sense in a backwards way, as your average Imperial pre-behemoth wouldn’t be able to identify a difference.
Oh the bugs were a thing. They just werent bugs but alien stickmen with lizard-centaur slaves.
You should’ve talked about Hive Fleet Kronos (a fleet that are specifically adapted to fight chaos)
Edit: and also about how Ka’Bandha lead a legion of Khornate to Baal and fight the Nids
And wouldn't have hurt to just mention how fucking cool Hierophant Bio-Titans are. Or the Ultramarines 1st Company and the Battle of MaCragge.
Also, hey kiddo.
@@TheArgusApocraphex1 he thought the battle of MaCragge happened on Tyran
@@TheArgusApocraphex1
Exactly...
It’s implied that they don’t come from the sides of the galaxy, but from above, hence why the fleets appear out of sequence, but the above thing is probably even more terrifying then being surrounded.
There's an interesting bit of lore from the Ciaphas Cain series where a 'Nid splinter fleet or scout fleet was buried under an ice planet that he accidentally freed. Inquisitor Vail sent them to a forge world that ended up backdating them to M37 or M38, implying the 'Nids have been probing the galaxy for some time.
00:57 I just loudly said "oh my god" My wife thought something bad had already happened at work.
Theory: The smugglers were warhammer tabletop players doing everything to earn more money for minis.
The Swarmlord (Hive Tyrant), The Red Terror (Ravener), The Doom of Malantai (Neurothrope), The Parasite of Mortrex (Shrike), Old One Eye (Carnifex). Basically every named special character for tyranids is a suped up version of existing unit type. Definitely should dive into them if you do another episode. Especially the Parasite from 5th edition codex.
You guys NEED to make an Ogryn episode
There's a quote from the story Down Amongst the Dead Men that encompasses the glory and value of resisting to the bitter end:
"It has already been calculated that you cannot win this battle, that is not your objective. Your objective is to ensure that victory costs the enemy dearly. The enemy's resources far outweigh your own, for every second you stand against his guns however, you deplete those resources; you make him weaker. The price of this achievement in return is only that resource most abundantly available to us and most easily replenished, the price is that which is already the Emperor's by right. Praise be our Father, our Guardian. Today you'll face defeat at the small cost of your worthless lives, but die bravely, die hard, and your meager sacrifice will help pave the way for His most glorious triumph in the future. Praise be to the Emperor."
Just imagine how funny it would be you took Johnny Rico from starship troopers and put him up against the tyranids, and on the other hand take a single Terminator put it up against the entire arachnid horde.
Something tells me he'd be doing his part...
@@chocolateskull6239 the only good bug, is a dead one.👍
Honestly if it was book Rico with his nuclear rocket s,bombs,flamers laser gun and marauder power armour, he'd get quite a few of em the mobile infantry in the books are more or less mini more mobile space marines in terms of equipment they just lack the biological enhancements
No one:
Tyranid: C o n s u m e
H O N G E R
B I T E
CONSUME PRILOSEC
No one? Capitalism would like to have a word with you.
@@12SickOne34 I bet Capitalist and Tyranids would be good friends
My favourite thought about tyranids is that since they get their victims DNA and they have won some battles against space marine, in a way, there is a hive fleet out there with the Emperor's DNA in their databanks and that's scary af.
If I remember correctly, hive guards are tyranids based of space marines genetics, which by itself is spooky
The Hive Emperor
Now if Bricky doesn't at least mention the Tanoth first and only in the imperial guard episode, feth it all.
Considering he didn't mention sevatar in the night lords episode i think he's gonna gloss over a looooot of regiments
Hey guys ( and shy ), I just wanted to say that you are now my painting podcast. Every time their an new episode I'm like '' Oh shit an need to paint some plastic model, if I want to check this new episode.!' So yeah, thanks for the help.
Desert Raiders, Talarn guard regiment gets ripped apart fighting the nids, then they go to a planet that they wanna eventually colonize. Only for the nids to invade and kill them all, but hey, they beat the vanguard ship though.
I feel like the tyranids left their previous galaxy heading in all directs, and it was during this journey they were attracted to the Milky Way for whatever reason, so that’s now they’re all converging on it and coming from separate directions. Also, don’t some imperial worlds contain organisms that are starting to be identified or speculated to have ties to the tyranids, even though they have exist for thousands of years, like on Catachan and the Fenrisian Kraken?
Tyranids are a recent incursion. Tho there is evidence to show Tyranids invaded before and lots of planets have creatures tied to them. No one is sure when this happened. My guess during the war in heaven. I don't know any other portion of Warhammer history. That would also explain why the elder know about them and fear them.
Its been established that the event that attracted them was the destruction of the pharos beacon shortly after the heresy and now that their in the galaxy they are all slowly moving towards terra, guided by the astranomicon
It's the astronomicon, big psychic beacon
@@ivybennett2274 this isn't entirely true, for sure the Pharos beacon has spurred the current Tyranid onslaught. That doesn't explain how Tyranid life forms arrived in the galaxy before the imperium of man.
@@etherealhawk Is definitely helping that yes but life the above comment the Pharos beacon is move widely assumed to have attracted them this time. The astronomicon is for sure giving them a stable reference point. Tho like I said to the person above, it still doesn't explain why there is Tyranid bio forms that predate the imperium
Bro that Tempesa Scion is like screaming "THE EMPEROR PROTECTS" in like a panicked and quickened state like home boy is praying hard
Ogg the ogryn by Noman is a really good tyranid invasion story.
BROTHAS! It has been awesome watching this channel grow. You grant us a moments peace to our daily battles.
I just discovered you guys over the Orkz tank animation
Papa bless upon you
The Ultramarines detonating an emperor class battlecruiser to destroy the nids is more like burning your house down to obliterate a termite infestation, which is a perfectly valid response.
That Ogryn quote is a direct reference to Forrest Gump. Knowing little about 40K, it gives me a really solid idea of what the Ogryn are.
Big boys, big dumb, but that's a benefit, in a universe where some knowledge is alive and wants you to be hyper evil.
A tyranid swarm that losses the synapses are known to attack other tyranid
I get the feeling Bricky doesn't really get what a hivemind is
Finally ma bugs getting an episode
dude mephiston killed a load of tyranid on a space hulk by entering their mind and giving them the black rage. also tiamat are building some kind of beacon on a world and no one can get near it without tearing their own eyes out.
Yes! I never see anyone ever mention what Tiamet is doing in any Tyranid videos
Ultramarines killed a hive fleet tau killed a hive fleet. Another hive fleet went down
@@hivefleetlavellan2256 the tau killed a fraction of a hive fleet. considering their plt armour though im surprised if they wouldnt take on the whole mass and win effortlessly when it arrives.
@@conan2096 they had to drink poisoned kool aid. And I meant tendril not fleet. Terminology is getting confusing
I wonder what would happen if the tyranids got their hands on a Primarch’s Gene template, or even the Emperor’s gene template.
It would be gg.
You know dead space 3 moons? That. That's what'd happen. Except it would be psychic as well.
If they consumed space marines thet would have some of the emperor's genes.
@@inccubusdaniel9249 the marker is already psychic , it also has physical energy , but yeah they'd be thanos bugs at that point. Ain't a can of raid in the universe can fix that at that point.
If the Tyranids had eaten Macragge, they would have gotten Guilliman and this Primaris Indomitus silliness would never have happened.
Its official, Bricky is a psycher, that cursed sniffing is OP
> Multiple confirmed deaths
> Falls down a massive ravine after it was defeated.
*Old One-Eye is Joshua Graham*
The shadow of the warp is simply the sheer volume of the Tyranid communication, it's like trying to whisper a lullaby whilst standing next to the speakers in a motorhead concert
The bug are the real winner in 40k
The tyranids are scary because even the books don’t know where they come from. Think about that, the things more powerful and knowledgeable than the emperor and chaos gods, who know every detail, don’t know where they come from. It’s like if the narrator was explaining an enemy and suddenly got stabbed and fucking died in a show
41:05 "He[kryptman] was *_exiled_* from *_the Inquisition_* for being *_too cruel_* "Sir Adornable, Crusader of Useless Exposition"
"little shorter" - 1hr video engaged
Back when I played in 2nd edition, the Tyranids had a gun called the Devourer. It was basically a boltgun with sustained fire dice, which was firing ammo that was eating the target If it get a kill, the unit had to make a fear check.
I think my favorite part about this podcast is how wrong they are on just about everything to do with the tyranids because we end up with way funnier bits then if they knew everything
I wish he talked about how Tyranids get biomorphs, which are living organisms that work with the Tyranid host. All of their weapons are living organisms as well, even their bone swords.
A great example is a part from devastation of baal, in which a group (I guess a gaggle) of carnifexes were attempting to scale a fortification. Even after one of the carnifex's head was blown away, it's gun was able to control the host's corpse and still climb. Really Cool stuff
You also kinda butchered the first contact. Tyran was the first planet they were sited at by the imperium, and they completey decimated the population there. Tyranids had devoured dozens of worlds before they actually arrived that a planet in the ultramar system called Prandium I think (it was a garden world, considered the Jewel of Ultramar). The marines tried to fight them via the codex but the smurfs were soundly defeated. The Tyranids kept devouring planets until they were finally stopped at Macragge, which is where Marneus got bodied by the swarmlord. Also, the entire first company of marines was eradicated and it took over a century to rebuild the chapter. Good stuff
Tyranids are basically a mixture of the following:
- Xenomorphs from Alien
- The Flood from Halo
- The Marker Cults from Dead Space
- John Carpenter's The Thing
Yeah, they're fucking terrifying
Plot twist: old one eye is a perpetual. Find a single reference that proves me wrong or states otherwise
I want this to be cannon
ONE EYE LIVES!
I think the most unsettling scary thing about the Tyrannids is that they may have devoured every other galaxy in space and we may be the very last vestige of life.
Orikan was also able to tap into the Hive Mind. He basically mind hopped into it, but he never said what he saw. He basically just screamed like crazy then popped out again lol
39:34 saying they're really big then comparing them to a medium drink at a restaurant almost killed me