How to Make Dr. Eggman a Credible Villain | Characters In-Depth
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The original baddie of the Sonic franchise has his moments of highs and lows. How do you reach the highs?
"Dr. Stewart's Theme" - F-Zero GX. F-Zero is owned by Nintendo.
Sonic the Hedgehog is owned by Sega.
He’s actually the only character whose voice actor always sounded good to me
I'm glad Mike Pollock stuck around, but he's really been waisting his talents as of late. Not even his voice can save the terrible writing. Hopefully in the future, Mike final gets the material to sound like a great Eggman again
Same
Samic 23569 Exactly. I think if he had a darker character plot like in SA2 he would still be able to perform great
Probably Because Both Of His VAs Actually Gave A Shit About Their Role & Aren't Bounded By The Horrible Voice Direction The Franchise Is Known For
@@BardockSkywalker Deem Bristow is a better Eggman imo, he sounds so intimidating.
I don't mind Eggman being a comedic villain, but I don't want it to be overdone to the point where he comes across as a push over like in Boom. I think the comedy could come from Eggmans overblown ego. Eggman can have serious and threatening moments, but when his plans backfire, he releases his anger on Orbot and Cubot
I agree as long as the comedy is actually good
Honestly, him being a "pushover" worked in Boom since that was a comedic spin off. But yeah I agree.
@Abrilla 2 M I would like it if they introduced an alternate universe version of a roboticized SATAM Robotnik who is incredibly more evil itteration of regular Eggman, has the SATAM design and voice and is the same level of threat that Mephiles and Chaos were. They have Doctor Eggman Nega so alternate dimension versions of Eggman aren't off the table
I think boom worked because, at least in the TV show, there was rarely any serious episodes. The real problem is writers wanting both cakes. Yes, Eggman can be funny, but if he's comedic relief he can't be take seriously. (Should be mentioned though, Eggman also won't work as an entirely serious threat. As a more "relatable" villain, he can't be down to earth if he's a ruthless murderer)
What's is the fact that I think the 3d games had it pretty decently early on colors and unleashed was a near perfection but then after that either too comic relief or an awkward serious
I'll give Forces credit for one thing: It was the first time in a long while where he felt like a guy with a plan. He had no less than two back-up plans, another final robot inside his final robot (even if it was just a rehash) and it's even implied he had preparations in case Infinite betrayed him. They may have heavily underutilized the concept of him ruling the world, but at least he showed some competency and foresight. I want more of that in the future.
Honestly the only thing I didnt like about him in forces is the fact that we didnt get a single Eggman land level
which should have been the one stage that returned.
(Especially with how fast we know he can work)
@《MH MB1》 PuffyBuffy25 They didn't include one since Forces was trying too hard to push some "war is hell" post-apocalypse to the point where Eggman didn't get to show he remade Whatever The The Planet Is Called in his image. Even the Game Gear Sonics did better on this (Mecha Green Hill Zone).
Forces was just a bad idea to begin with. An attempt to force Western interpretations of Sonic through the lens of Canon Sonic. Hence shoving Knuckles and Co. in The Resistance (an obvious attempt to shoehorn a Freedom Fighters analogue even though it doesn't fit any of the core characters).
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think Eggman was written well in Lost World. He took over the Zeti and had something that could suck the life out of the world below him. He even had a mech (which was the Colors final boss) that used that energy. He also threated to destroy everything the Zeti knew and loved and wanted to make them suffer. Again, in my opinion, Lost World has the best story of the modern Sonic games.
@@luigines6457 I think it would be good if it actually had a narrative that flowed well.
Not only that, but according to the comics he also had Metal Sonic, in his updated version from heroes but now completely under his control, as another backup plan, but the war ended before it was ready.
I do want to say that I really liked his first delivery in Sonic 06, when he approached Elise with all of his robots he looked VERY menacing, he didn't talk very loudly and sounded very calm and collected.
but when Sonic appeared he was very frustrated and aggressive with him saying "Not that irritating hedgehog again!" and immediately make all systems go full power on Sonic.
It adds a lot more to Eggman's character seeing how he is when Sonic isn't around and how he tries to make the best first impressions as the menacing villian he is.
He was far less relevant to the plot than Mephiles. Which is a problem since Mephiles doesn't really have a personality beyond "is evil."
@@galten7361 i mean that was kinda the point. It wasnt necessarily bad writing like with Infinite(missed potential) as Mephiles is literally darkness so of course most of his personality is "being evil"
Galten actually mephiles was manipulative villain and a great enemy to shadow.
@@galten7361 While Mephiles' goals are cartoonish blind evil, his personality is a realistic kind of evil, you can meet someone like Mephiles in the real world. He's a manipulative sadistic S.O.B who preys on insecruities and uses urgency fallacies to get emotions to override reason in order to achieve said cartoonish goals. If you switched Mephiles and a random sociopath you would not see much a difference in behavior.
@@D461Sage if only infinite had a better writing or at least they would know who is Infinite in paper
A childish mercenary angry for losing for first time in he’s life but not choosing a good personality for that kind of character and didn’t gave him a good motivation or at least tried to make him a tridimensional character making him feel bad about the dead of he’s original team at hands of eggman because he betrayed them but tried to create another Mephiles when the character they ended creating didn’t fit with the sociopathic and manipulative personality of Mephiles
Basically they could created a good character but they didn’t knew the kind of character they were creating and then using
This is why I like him in the movie when portrayed by Jim Carrey. He did an amazing job making him a serious threat to Sonic and those around him, but still have him being intelligent, egotistical, and goofy at times throughout.
He belittles the CO at the ballpark and taking command with his ego-infused genius, while still making an occasional joke or two. He dances to music and holograms while he's studying one of Sonic's quills and trying to learn of the energy within to use for his robots. He had a robotic vehicle that kept pursuing Sonic no matter how much the blue hedgehog knocked it down, but still got more frustrated the more it happened, (and to be fair, the bomb did technically harm Sonic, even if it didn't kill him.)
Jim Carrey did an amazing job making him intelligent and threatening, without sacrificing his more comedic, insane nature.
No lie, I kinda had an "oh shit" moment when his cruiser powered up with the quill letting him move at the same speed as Sonic.
You mean that overrated trash actor who’s now only relevant because he was put into the shitty sonic movie? He did terrible as “Eggman”, there was nothing funny about him that made me laugh, in fact he made me cringe as much as when sonic farted and flossed.
Caleb Montes jimmy carrey? irrelevant? im guessing you don't live in the U.S.
Caleb Montes why is it always the calebs who are so angry
Absolutely ! Can't wait to see what he has in store for the sequel.
Eggman blowing up the moon, summoning a giant water monster, splits the world in half makes him a intimidating villain, and that's why I love this character, too bad he's not like that anymore
No it’s not. It’s the way it’s portrayed when he does it. In 06 he’s pretty intimidating when he enters the scene at the beginning. Because he has a harsh military vibe to him. He is in control. And all he did was crash a party. But in Forces on the other hand, he was going to drop a SUN on the world and the resistance. That was some Marada crap from Naruto Shippuden. lol BUT it wasn’t portrayed as intensely.
And also the fact that he drove elise to commit suicide at one point in sonic 06
He's the same as always. You only complain about it now since technology has advanced enough that they can show enough of his intended personality and it doesn't match your headcanon of him as an edgelord.
@@Axxidous 06 and Forces were meh to bad games even when just looking at plot.
@@Ash_and_Ember00 Elise is a bad character who drags down Sonic like Chris and you even bringing her in defeats your post.
One thing I like about Eggman is that he's ironically the least human character in the franchise. He puts living creatures into slave robots, builds chemical plants and laboratories that pollute the air and water, and he's willing to destroy the planet and build whatever is left on top of it. He doesn't care about life, something Sonic swore to protect. It's something that I love that the movie mentioned. I think it's one thing that made SA2 so impactful. Despite how evil Dr. Eggman might seem, even he believes that he's the hero, and that was shown with how he admired his grandfather. No one believes their doing the wrong thing, and that's one of the messages SA2 gave us.
I guess I'm still against Dr. Eggman always being treated as a side villain instead of the main course. Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 did a great job handling him as a threatening villain, while introducing a newer more powerful foes, but after, it really did feel cliche, and overused. I do agree that he was also poorly handled though. The more cliche it is, the more the newer foe loses that impact. It makes them look boring and stale. I just don't want them to do it all the time, and prefer that they can mix it up once and a while.
I really wish the games would bring back the idea of a three way fight like Shadow the Hedgehog FAILED to deliver. That was such a good idea that was never realized. imagine if Eggman pulls an Rashidun and takes advantage of two sides fighting eachother to take over the world and have it stick for a game or two!
His characters bios in sources like Sonic Jam's guide say that he's not ill-intentioned but he's oblivious to the hurt he's doing. Either from him being too out of touch with reality or him seeing what he's doing as helping.
"You've turned into a big-time villain, doctor!"
A Strangely Proud-Sounding Sonic 2001
Eggman in 2001 - (laughs) citizens of earth, lend me your ears and listen to me very carefully! My name is Dr. Eggman, the world’s greatest scientist, and soon to be the world’s greatest ruler! Now, witness the beginning of the greatest empire of all time!
Not-my-eggman in 2020 - oH gIvE Me A biG fAt BreAk!!!!!!!!!
Another giveaway at his bait.
Sonic, hero of "Earth?", savior of too many races to count and pacifist at heart, being cocky about giving Eggman the key to global domination. A tad obvious.
Adventure 2 Eggman will always be the ideal Eggman to me. He's an evil genius with a goal in mind and will do anything possible to achieve his goal, but will joke around every so often to give you a genuine laugh. At a moment's notice, he'll do something to remind you he's the bad guy. Prime example? Putting a gun to Amy's head and ejecting sonic into space into the pod. So dark, yet in that same game he's scratching his butt while watching tv lol.
Also, when you sit and think about it... Adventure 2 is all about the Eggman more than it is about Sonic or even Shadow since the story is centered around his family.
I always enjoyed the idea that Eggman is as I call it "book smart, street dumb" in that he has a lot of knowledge and can use it effectively but his narcissism blinds him to foresight and his enemies craftiness leading to his downfall.
I'm suprised there is no "pissing on the moon" joke in the comments
Aaaand done.
Yeah, this meme is getting so sickening, just as much as when any something says ORA ORA or YARE YARE DAZE, people get "Is ThAt a jOjO rEfErEncE", seriously it's pretty stupid with some time.
@@sanglish18 and don't forget the "man behind the slaughter" meme. Is getting really sickening as well.
@@Borger3941 Dude that meme is dead wdym
*AHEM*
Eggman is more goofy in later games because he lost so many times that he's gone completely bonkers. To quote Classic Robotnik: "Wow... Do I really get that crazy?"
Eggman was such a master planner in sonic adventure 1 and 2
And even in forces he basically had made at least 2 back up plans in case things went wrong.
But in sonic adventure 2 he truly planed everything from the start.
From busting shadow out of jail to almost killing sonic.
Eggman even though he's incompetent he is still a threat and is capable of being a *BIG TIME VILLAIN* neck he made sonic barter his life for amys safety.
Eggman overall needs a fix though and I'm sure this video will fix his problems.
Eggman's only problems came from the Adventure Era games and Unleashed where the devs seemed like they were embarrassed to have Canon Eggman be the franchise's iconic villain so they kept having him be upstaged or play second fiddle to other villains (who as a rule were more bland than Eggman)..
They walked back on that finally at Generations.
Edge lord why do I even try any more
@@galten7361 Positioning in game doesn't matter if the character is a joke. Eggman and most Sonic characters are characters first and their positon/role second.
@Stealth Not really compared to how he was in the overall Adventure Era. He's actually shown standing his ground against other villains and is rather effective in Forces (even if he did lack his flair).
@Blue Gunner Canon Eggman isn't supposed to be Hitler or the edgier versions of the Joker (he actually has some dimensions, admirable qualities). Regardless, he is the iconic villain so he should dominate or at least be able to hold his own against other villains without having to team up with Sonic. Something that just about never happened in the Adventure Era while post-Colors Eggman kept Infinite under control and dueled Sonic while dueling Heavy King.
I think they had something good going in Unleashed, but they leaned too heavily on the goofy side.
3 instances:
-The game intro.
-Eggmanland introduction.
-Egg Dragoon boss fight.
The best instances of Eggman in Unleashed where he absolutely steals the spotlight.
I like Eggman's depiction in unleash, and strangely he is consistent. He can be goofy one minute and menacing the next without skipping a beat, and he often is both at once.
He was goofy as he was in the Genesis games and the OVA aka how he's intended to be.
I personally love the set of of threatening to goofy. Even the movie does this
Yeah but at least he earned the comedic moments in the game. Sonic lost. And Eggman doesn't get victory often.
Eggman at his best is the perfect balance of comic relief and intimidating genius. When he's written well, I actually like him better than Bowser because between his plans and his ability to thwart anything remotely tricky--like the fake emerald--there are actual stakes.
Bowser is a lot more consistent as a character though. Just like the franchise he orginates from...
@@thesnatcher3616 As I said--a year ago, btw--he's great *when he's written well.*
@@thesnatcher3616 because he has no writing most of the time.
The rpg games are the best of mario
@@thesnatcher3616 Bowser has writing?
@@broken75.20 Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi.
“Nobody quits working for me, unless I disassemble them first” Cubot disassembled: It’s true
Cringe
Eggman destroying the moon in half in SA2, and then doing the same thing to earth in Sonic Unleashed, are my 2 favorite moments of him.
The Dreamcast era just was something special... I miss those days
I miss the time when eggman could be scary in the games and shows
Scary: ✅
Broody: ❎
@@jamiegioca9448 Sonic vs. Eggman (Spiny Spikehair vs. Baldy Nosehair mixed with Ogilvie vs. Robotnik).
King Dedede isn't pinned up against Kirby "Just because" each time they fight there is always a reason for it, like him stealing all the food in dreamland for himself. He isn't even a villain just an antagonist who becomes one of Kirby's friends and helps him in his adventures.
Dedede hasn’t been a real antagonist in years
His fights mostly have him possessed by the actual villain
@@Yundemz exactly
@@Yundemz Villain and antagonist are not mutually exclusive. Dedede is an antagonist, but he was only a villain in the first game.
@@the757general2 ah alright then
Didn’t know
You know, looking back at Forces, I found that there was a commercial called ''Join the Eggman Empire'' which showed a bit of dark dictator humor around the doctor. ''Once you're roboticized, you will never need to eat, sleep or *think* ever again! Talk about living the good life!'' This is a better example of villain humor to do with the character if you ask me. It's partly played for laughs with his excitable man-child personality but also shows the cruelty of his actions.
true dat
@@donathan2933 Hey! That's my line! (Read this in Tails voice)
@@jamiegioca9448 lmao Tails shouldn't talk he didn't shit the entire game
Really good point.
I've always loved Eggman as a villain from how they could take someone so comical in appearance and in personality, yet still make him feel like a real threat - even intimidating in some portrayals. I also really like that hint humanity he shows in SA2 through his admiration of his grandfather - the one person he holds above even himself (and I really hope they keep it in and explore this in the movie franchise)
To me, the best depiction of Eggman would be a combination of the Cold & Calculating rendition of him in SA2 with the Humor & Energy of his Unleashed portrayal. But the video brought to mind that a major issue with Eggman's current portrayal is having minions/sidekicks that constantly tell him (and the audience) how foolish & incompetent he is. Fortunately, they seemed to have learned from that for Forces; so let's hope they learn from the other mistakes too for the next game.
> Fortunately
> Forces
No, they didn't....
I really love the way you interpret videogame characters personalities and how they can improve, please keep making more videos, I really enjoy them!
Will do.
@@charactersin-depth3472 sic
I couldn't agree more
@@charactersin-depth3472 Although I like the current potrail of Eggman, you did a good job and I understand if you're not fond of how he is in the current games.
Have you played Tales of Symphonia and Symphonia Dawn of the New World? I would like to make another suggestion or request if it's okay?
@@93SuperSonic I'd have to play those.
"NOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE JOKES WITH FAT VILLAIN HE'S SUPOSSED TO BE EVIL"
haha fat villain funny goes grrrrrr
I miss his intimidating moments, like the egg-walker boss in tails story from SA1
it just shows that despite his goofy traits, he's still a big threat with fridge horror intentions
I think the scariest part of Robotnik, is how he's able to use his intelligence.
SA2 was Eggman’s BEST!!!
Along with him splitting the world into pieces in Sonic Unleashed.
I honestly believe if Sega didnt go multi-platform after SA2 Eggman wouldve actually been one of the allies from then on instead of the villain with how perfectly SA2 ended. Imagine Eggman and Tails being a tech duo throughout the series. And because of this Metal Sonic couldve actually been good too and be one of Sonic's partners! The possibilities... *sigh*
A horrible Idea
@@BlueJack222 no
That'd be rather interesting
I got to say this: eggman is absolutely fantastic in the sonic 2 movie. It describes him perfectly while giving some new personality.
Adventure era eggman: who are you? meta era eggman: I’m you but my characters ruined
We meet again and you still don't know how to spell
Eguy Igbin are you really gonna start this shit again?
Eguy Igbin so what are doing here in the first place?
Eguy Igbin lmao image still holding a grudge against me because you lost the argument
Adventure Eggman: Who are you?
Colors Eggman: I am you, but "funnier"
I loved the part of SA2 where they're all working together to stop the ark. Idk how but I would like Sonic and Eggman to work together for whatever reason in the next game
I like that they partnered up again in Advance 3
Plots where the heroes and villains have to work together can be great!...when done properly (glances at Lost World). SA2's final twist worked so well because it fit right in the narrative that was building since the beginning and managed to show a different kind of villainy *without* undermining Eggman's.
They worked together in Lost World
frontiers here
I don't mind Eggman being both a comedic & threatening villain, it gives him more depth and balance than being a one-note evil dictator or a Dick Dastardly Saturday Morning villain.
(Kind of like what "Samurai Jack" does with Aku, "Powerpuff Girls" with Mojo Jojo, and most of the main villains from several Power Ranger adaptations)
By the way, how did you like the portrayal of Eggman in the movie?
I personally think they were on point with the character.
Comparing him to Aku and Mojo Jojo is fine. Both have hilarious moments, but also commit really heinous acts and can be really dangerous when pushed their buttons. But Power Rangers villains ? Bleargh
@@DanieleMulas-up7np Some Power Rangers fans told me.😅
Power rangers have plenty of villains who can be dark and funny.
Lord Zed. Dark funny but can be pretty humorous sometimes.
@@DanieleMulas-up7np Venjix.
Who is literally Ultron if he were successful.
They were on point
Adventure eggman is my favorite eggman who else agrees
Everyone...
It helps that Deem Bristow was his VA
I like archie and SatAM eg... robotnik,and they are praticaly adventure eggman before adventure eggman so...
My favourite is the eggman in sonic movie he just so good
I wouldn't say Shadow and 06 got him wrong, besides his physical redesign in 06. He still seemed in-character in those games, esp in Shadow.
In Heroes, most of the missions make sense, besides the casino and crab ones. He wants the Chaotic to rescue Chao because he knows Metal Sonic will be after them to copy Chaos' biodata, he wants them to free Metropolis because that's where Metal's getting energy from, and the other missions involve weakening Metal's forces or getting closer to the doc.
As for Unleashed, he acts more goofy than in the adventures but he still feels like a threat, and he still proves himself one. And most importantly, he doesn't deviate from the type of character he's meant to be. That is, the type to fuck the Earth for his own ambitions. I mean, he literally devastates the Earth and gives zero fucks about the consequences, all just for a rich source of energy.
I'm fairly sure that the casino chips were required to gain entry to Rail Canyon in some way. (And perhaps the rings were for some entrance fee or to divert suspicion as to why they are collecting V.I.P. chips.)
I think Eggman was stalling because he was afraid of the Chaotix finding him
How was he EVER in-character in shadow or next gen? ESP Shadow! That shit game did SO LITTTLE With him.
dude Sonic Unleashed Eggman was poggers broski. He actually won at the beginning, all Sonic was trying to do was undo Eggmans destruction.
not only that, but have you even played the egg dragoon fight? he actively tryna kill Sonic
Yeah, but he's not really active in that story nor does everyone treat him like the threat he is, despite causing the damage he does.
Eggman is one of my favorite sonic characters and villains ever. From the games Eggman was his best in SA2 and Unleashed imo.
I'm happy that you get to have the chance to make a Character Depth video on my favorite Sonic The Hedgehog Villian of all time and favorite character besides Sonic himself: Dr Eggman!
He absolutey deserve to had his own Character in Depth video
I’m really glad you included Eggmanland. He finally accomplished his goal, and it’s not even a big deal. Eggmanland never got destroyed either. In Sonic Colors and its amusement park theme, made me think Eggmanland was gonna be the final zone. It would have made so much sense. After running down in Terminal Velocity, it could have led to a final showdown there.
Deem Bristow’s performance as Eggman was the absolute peak of his characterization.
Eggman can have funny moments from time to time, It can be a great way to make the plot a little less heavy. But that does not mean he has to be a straight up clown.
I love him in the comics, a great mix of egotistical, goofy, and threatening, he dedicated an entire car in his bullet train to a Custom foosball table, or before the genesis wave he watched an abandoned project almost kill sonic, but because it wasn’t him who’s killing sonic he just whips up a little robot to destroy the abandoned project in like a minute, saving sonic just so he would have the pleasure of killing him
And in the IDW comics he doesn’t fail because he’s an idiot, he fails because of his ego, he’s to brilliant for his own good, the metal virus worked, it had the freedom fighters on their last legs, the problem was his own ego got the better of him, it was to much for even him to control, admittedly this is a common motive for Eggman, he likes to test the limits of his brilliance without thinking about the repercussions, that’s why he’s always getting bitched by gods of destruction, he things so highly of himself “usually with good reason” that he refuses to see or admit when he’s out of depth
Thing is, the metal virus saga is such a fucking boring and pretentious tryhard to be edgy slopfest. I get it they're trying to give Eggman some respect again, but keeping Orbot and Cubot around, and getting upstaged by the gay Platypus fursona of Snively......isn't the best course of action. Doesn't help how paperthin and downright BORING the IDW trash is.
@Daniele Mulas we knew that idw taking control of sonic was going to be trash to begin with.
It cannot be that bad?
"You've turned into a big time villain, doctor."
I hope that one day Dr. Eggman can be once again more competent in the new games.
By being competent, I mean more predictable. It’s been a while we didn’t see Eggman actually a genius on something else than his machines, he could at least be more strategic on building his robots, especially the one who’re programmed to beat Sonic, I mean, he knows the hedgehog for a really long time, he could at least analyze him like every evil genius can do, then knows his weaknesses and his flaws, (so we could have challenging bosses). Even though he looks like a round shaped egg, he is still charismatic, but it seems that the games don’t show this side anymore and no one of us takes him seriously actually, except Sonic, but NOT that seriously… Sonic sees Eggman has a treat, but has a comical threat, he is so cocky that he and we just don’t take him seriously, so he could gave him the nicknames of Egghead or Baldy Mcnosehair especially in the new games, but Sonic Unleashed proves us the contrary, by trapping Super Sonic in a magnetic high energy shield that separate him from the Chaos Emeralds. In conclusion, Eggman should be writed as the predictable, charismatic and evil mastermind guy. Sometimes, I wish that he could excels the ones with great power on his side who tries to betray him, so they could be at Eggman mercy, Eggman is well-knowed to be one of the biggest mastermind in the video game universe, cause he’s the Eggman, that’s what he is.
There already is a robot like that. Its Metal Sonic
Hwan Niggles Yes, but it’s not enough... I mean Eggman can’t always relying on the same machines to beat the same enemy, look at the Death Egg Robot, first we thought it was impressive, since Sonic doesn’t have any rings, ( I don’t tell you how it was a pain in the butt, when I saw it in Sonic 4), but later on, it became overrated if you tell me. Or the Egg Dragoon, I mean that beast as cool design, but I feel it could be too used. The Egg Dragoon has such effective tools, like a giant Gatling gun that could shoot fireballs who can transform into six pipe like cannons who can shoots rays of fire, an arm that could create a wave of electricity in one swing and shoot infinite giant drills on the ground, feet’s that could shoot ice or making freezing wave and the ability that could separate himself so an A.I could take over a part of the mech, so the mech can do on his own. If he wanted, Eggman could even equipped him with rocket launchers and grappling hook like we saw in the intro of Unleashed. We even had the Egg Storm or the Robot Carnival, robots who are a pain in the ass! They have a good resistance and a longer endurance, why Eggman can’t make his army troops like that? Sonic could last for 30 minutes?
Sonic saying you've turned into a big time villain doctor is my favorite line sonic has ever said
Eggman is already a credible villain. He only looks non-credible in games like Heroes and 06 that disrespect his status as the iconic villain to push other villains.
Canon Eggman is a manchild who wants to mechanize the world who does what he does since he's too self-centered and/or too out-of-touch with reality to realize the harm he's doing. At the same time, he appreciates Sonic as a good rival among other admirable qualities. He's a villainous Willy Wonka. Not Hitler or Dr. Weil. And that's fine. It gives him dimensions that villains like Mephiles and SatAM's Julian don't have (no one has told what depth Mephiles has).
Galten how did you comment this 6 hour ago when it was posted 2 hour ago
Idk in 06 he wasn’t the worst. The story was still presented in an amazing way and the eggman boss fights were decent but he just wasn’t the main villain. Of course he wouldn’t be. Shadow and Silver need different villains. Eggman isn’t even that threatening in general.
Sonic X portrays Eggman in an amazing way tho
@Ominous The plot was poorly written (Elise being a flat character who's only a cut above Chris, Silver and Blaze trusting someone who looks like Mephies does etc.). And no they don't really "need" different villains if they're on the same world and time as Sonic.
> Eggman is already a credible villain
> Colors, Generations, Lost World and Forces
No, he's a fucking pathetic joke. Incompetent, has two of the most useless lackeys in history, has cut budget on his Badnik army, his plans (especially those in Colors and Lost World) make no damn sense, Sonic treats him so much like a punching bag, one would start to believe HE is the villain.
Good job with Dr. Eggman.
He's definitely one of my favorite video game villains 😉👍!
Here is my idea for Dr. Eggman to make him good: give him some edge to be more cunning. For example, rather than destroy sonic have him tease and mess with sonic. Then you would have a reason to deafeat him. Also make him good funny with amazing jokes to laugh with to give him a likable side to enjoy. This is just my option for a good villain.
Not bad, kid
@@jamiegioca9448 thanks
Movie Eggman is more natural version of Eggman.
-Actually Researching
-Developing Character
We really need goofy exterior but really smart man with the master plan and oddly intimidating demeanor back
Akin to say his cruelty in colors (minus the writers influence)
Or planning skills in SA2
Or even his regal mastermind like demeanor in 06
[EDIT] and his charm from the movie to balance out the 06 demeanor
06 Eggman was bland and played second fiddle to Mephiles.
That’s why I said the demeanor not his whole character
Personally, I think we need the beginning of Unleashed Eggman. It's perfect.
@Makoto Yuki And...that's what made him bland. Canon Eggman is hyper and animated. Hence him juggling the Chaos Emeralds, having a big grin when not losing or getting a beating, he's laughing it up and having fun, not being an edgelord or some Saturday Morning Cartoon dictator dude (also called Julian).
@@galten7361 The fuck you mean "Canon Eggman" ? So, you're gonna pretend he's just a goofball ? It's not like he burnt Angel Island to the ground, warped the future of Little Planet in order to rule it, unleashed a water monstruosity, blew half of the Moon as a demonstration of power, shattered Earth to pieces to awake an Eldritch monstruosity.....He's not Doofershmirtz, for crying out loud.
i’ve never seen Eggman in the same light post-SA2. he’s just such an underwhelming villain nowadays
I agree, he ain't threatening or cunning he's just annoying, goofy and I honestly want Eggman post 2010 to die off
Do Nathan it sucks because Sonic Unleashed was SO. CLOSE but didn’t follow through with it, and Forces was just dumb
@@Water90435 can’t have opinions anymore apparently
@@Hutch2Much he wasn't BAD in forces
While it’s understandable to have a villain be intimidating, I honestly love Dr. Eggman’s portrayel as a not-so-harmless comedic villain. He’s being incredibly goofy and mocked CONSTANTLY by everyone around him, and yet he manages to cause a LOT of destruction, like breaking the entire world into pieces if only JUST to unleash an eldritch abomination, building Eggmanland (which a lot of Sonic fans will tell you, might be the hardest level in the franchise), he captured an entire race of aliens, managed to capture PLANETS, had a plan that literally only failed because of luck, threatened time and space, built a device that could suck energy from the world which also includes energy from living beings, and conquered 99% of the world (even if it honestly doesn’t feel like that most of the time, like you said). Plus, you can argue that he’s like this after going insane from losing to Sonic so many times. And I really love hearing Mike Pollock voicing him.
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What I hear: We can all agree that eggman was at his best in SA2
What my mind hears: *O H Y O U D O N E D I D I T N O W*
Can you please do some CID videos of these Sonic characters?
1:Sonic the Werehog
2:Cream the Rabbit
3:The Chaotix
4:Chris Thorndyke
5:Chris’s family
6:Vanilla the Rabbit
7:Cosmo the Seedrian
8:The Metarex
9:Babylon Rogues
10:Princess Elise
11:Mephiles the Dark
12:Chip
Also please do a ranking video of certain characters when it comes to their character development, skills, strengths, and abilities:
1:All of the main Dragon Quest characters (1-11)
Caleb Montes calm down
Cream, Elise and Chip were in a lightning round video
I would love to see a video on mephiles the dark and how he is the best sonic villain.
The best version of eggman is the the archie comics version he's funny and yet also deeply disturbing and wicked heck even orbot and cubot get in on the whole funny yet dangerous train please talk about THAT version of the good doctor
true. Plus theres one issue where Eggman loses his mind and goes insane yelling in unintelligible gibberish and his goggles come off so you can see his demonic eyes. His eyes look like Majin Buu
@Jamnik58 lemme remember it was Archie Sonic issue 200
Jim Carrey may not be the same eggman we know from games. But he done an best job to portrait him in the adaptation for a movie for new audiences.
Eggman is one of my favorite video game villains I don't mind if hes a comedic villain but I just hope hes not over done like that sometimes I want him to get serious and be really evil just like in SA2
Who would've thought that the sonic the hedgehog movie would get him perfectly. Even getting his real name and nickname right.
I smiled in the theater when Sonic called him Eggman.
Metal Sonic - (Transforms into a giant form)
Eggman - "We're all gonna die, game over man, game over.)
He's hella dangerous in the comics, and frankly, I'm fine with that. The games just don't seem like they're gonna be better any time soon, so it's high time to switch to a better canon.
You channel is making hella growth, just a month or two ago you only had like 500 subs, keep it up.
Haha. Yeah, it's been a wild couple of months. Thanks.
I wish Eggman was a boss/playable character in smash ultimate.
I wonder in terms of becoming an ultimate villan, Do you think eggman's character would be extremely benefited or ruined if he actually killed off one of the Sonic characters? Regardless of the answer, would this give a different outlook to eggman's personality for future games?
Eggman's certainly no stranger to killing, sooo....
Ruined to some extent. His biggest beef has been with Sonic, so him attempting to kill off Sonic in SA2 was perfect and true to how his character would deal with it.
@Bender Bending Rodriguez Only one way to test that theory. Sega actually does that.
@Bender Bending Rodriguez I definitely understand your point. I guess you don't like Sonamy. I guess you preferred Sonally.
@@Vice_Verse0 You really wouldn't think he would kill one of Sonic's close friends just to spite him? There's a reason why heroes hide their identity.
"How to make Eggman a credible villain"
*Make the Sonic movie Eggman*
*Literally just make the Sonic Movie Eggman*
Wow! So you prefer Dora-style/Loud House-style Eggman? Okay, but I prefer TMNT/Astro Boy/Gatchaman-style Eggman (Realistic Doc EggRobo [Dr. Eggman Robotnik])…
@@mr.vorrnyvorrn2516 what is this comment supposed to mean?
@@silversonome5360 You like the Paramount Eggman, but I like Sonic 06 Eggman.
@@mr.vorrnyvorrn2516 Okay? And... What is the random assortment of series that you listed supposed to imply? I'm going off a limb and assuming that you're trying to discredit my appreciation of the characterization given to the movie's Eggman with childish programs, but from what I know, Dora and Loud House have nothing in common...? Unless you're just trying to be insulting, I don't see any major criticism here. Paramount Eggman is given a backstory that establishes him as a character outside of his relationship to Sonic. He's an insecure man who was driven into an inferiority complex, so now he feels the need to diminish others around him using his intellect and mechanical prowess, something clearly evident by his treatment of other military personnel and Tom Wachowski. When he's confronted with someone that he cannot make feel inferior with his intelligence, he panics and begins to break, peeling away at the layers of confidence and boastfulness to reveal an increasingly insane man who only desires to feel superior, to squash others under his foot for his petty desires. That's what I appreciate of him, it's a credible villain because not only are his motivations reasonable and understandable, they are also deeply realistic, to the point that you'll find many people around you who feel the very same way as this portrayal of Eggman. Now that I've clarified my image of Paramount's depiction of Eggman, would you please do the same with what you describe as "2006 Eggman"? Because even though you try to bring your point up with the association with what I assume are mature, complex series with nuanced antagonists, I can't see the connection with the Eggman shown in Sonic '06, as in that game his scheme follows a fairly standard progression of "kidnap girl, get Chaos Emeralds" with no major motivation shown or implied to exist for him. He's not planning to erase Sonic from reality because he's become convinced that it's the only way to make sure he never interferes with his plans - that's Mephiles' thing. He doesn't have much nuance or development to his actions, except near the end of the game where he directs all of Sonic's friends to the Chaos Emeralds, but at that point it's just a choice of self-preservation, if he doesn't do it he fucking dies. Therefore, I can't see Sonic '06 Eggman as a complex or nuanced character, but I'd like to see your perspective on him to see if it can be somewhat redeemed in my eyes.
@@silversonome5360 I'm not trying to insult you or anything. It's just that I prefer Sonic 06 *Imagi Studios* Eggman over EggCarrey, Rudolph nose, Baldy Nosehair, and the others. And no, I don't care if 06 has plotholes or if Astro Boy flopped at the fucking box office! Besides, Nickelodeon is the real reason *Imagi Studios* went defunct, because they got the rights to the TMNT, ergo cancelling the TMNT Kevin Munroe trilogy. I don't care if you like Eggman talking like some generic bully, but acting like President Dufus Fucking Stone, an unlikable, but genuinely intimidating villain. It's your opinion, not mine.
9:14 - 9:26 Among us discussions in a nutshell.
A solid video with some fantastic points. It's just too bad that the majority of the Sonic fan base will completely ignore all of this and think that the only way to fix him is to permanently change his name to Robotnik and, similar to the inclusion of Classic Sonic, he can suddenly do no wrong!
How did he make fantastic points! He just recaps Eggman, then shows Eggman being goofy without even explaining why it's bad
@@eguyigbin6987 There's nothing wrong with Eggman being a little goofy, it's when that goofiness becomes his entire personality (like in Sonic Boom) that it becomes a problem.
He still needs to be a legitimate threat to our heroes, so it actually means something when they defeat him. If he isn't then how are we, the audience, supposed to be invested in what's going on?
What's honestly the better option? To have well thought out, even relatable characters with depth and emotion behind them, or a bunch of clowns with no personality outside of "HERPY DERP, AIN'T WE SILLY, KIDS?"
Eh, on Lost World, he did have a genuinely good moment where he caused even Sonic to go, "WOAH THE FUCK!?" in reaction when Eggman promises to _rip out the hearts of the Zeti and devour them,_ and also how he fooled Sonic and Tails into trusting him long enough to get him close to his machine
...The rest is fucked up, yeah, but we saw a little of his nastiness there
Eggman in Sonic Sat AM was a pretty great villain, hell he even succeeded in roboticizing the world.
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That sounds like something Movie Sonic would say.
King Dedede isn't a standard reoccuring villain, he's a villain in only three main series games Dreamland 1, Super Star and it's remake Super Star Ultra.
In the vast majority of games, when he's a boss it's only because he's controlled by the true villain (Dark Matter, Taranza, Jamba Hearts) or he has an ulterior moral motive for doing what he does (Kirby's Adventure.)
Also King Dedede does have some depth, not a ton but in Dreamland 1 he's an incredibly greedy character who steals all the food from the inhabitants of Dreamland but in Adventure he steals and shatters the Star Rod into multiple pieces to prevent Nightmare from invading other people's dreams.
In 64, Return to Dreamland and Star Allies, he helps Kirby to stop the real villain (once he is no longer under the control of Dark Matter and the Jamba Hearts in the first and last games mentioned here.)
His description in the Guest Star mode of Star Allies literally states “Kirby's first rival, from Kirby's Dream Land, *wants to clean up his image, so he's set off to save his people.* There's no stopping this self-made king, so watch out, world!”'
So uh yeah, I just wanted to correct you there, King Dedede isn't a villain. Thank you for reading if you did, I guess
IDW Eggman Is the perfect blend of being both threatening and funny
Counterargument:
Heroes: He didn't have control of anything, that was Metal Sonic.
Shadow: While he could've had more screentime, the game was largely about Shadow. And the android thing could've been a combination of trying to trick Shadow (matrix) and/or thinking it was just a capable android (Lava). The events are loosely connected in that game.
2006: I actually like this portrayal due to him acting more refined and cunning compared to most other portrayals. It could also be argued he was trying to get information from Elise, or just didn't have the right tools yet. And it is the portrayal that fits Mike Pollock the best for me with his Eggman.
Unleashed: One could argue that his overambition got the better of him there with sillier moments to better resemble the more lighthearted tone. That, and I just like the whole "it's part of the big picture response" when asked about accidently throwing Sonic out with the Emeralds, if only because the response was the most unironic he could've made it while knowing full well it was an accident.
I remember seeing a popular fan art of Super Eggman (obvioulsy based on SSJ Goku) with the concept of Eggman using the power of the chaos emeralds on his body, pretty cool concept and tbh he looks badass too
I love how he is written in sa1 & 2 and a little in something forces because he had 2 backup plans but in the other ones his just a comic relief or not good at all and I like this video that points the best things of eggman.
If I wanna Reboot Sonic, I want Eggman to be based on Jim Carrey's Portrayal.
'Because you just told me, fox boy!'
That's material for one villainous scene right there.
To be fair, his dialogue in the Egg Dragoon fight was top notch, and the stakes of that battle too. At least imo.
That was a good fight. The pre boss cutscene didn't make him look clownish.
In unleashed Eggman earns his comedic moments. They balance it out because in the beginning they show you what he's capable of doing. He split the world in pieces. Everytime you laugh at him in the back of your head you know he's a menace.
So honestly I dunno if I agree with you and what you said with unleaded.
I know that this isn't Eggman from games, but I personally really enjoyed the way the Sonic movie had portrayed him being such a narcissist and still coming across as comedic at times. They also have him have an intent and a well though out plan to capture Sonic making him more of a threat.
This all made him fun to watch and enjoyable as a character unlike the newer Sonic games.
I like this video quite a bit, but using Dedede as an example of a villain who opposes just because bothers me, Dedede is even rarely a villain, with only one instance of his actions being purely harming others to benefit himself, Dedede may be a simpleton, but he is also one of the heroes of Dreamland, just with his methods usually causing trouble as well.
Perhaps after you finish making videos on the Sonic cast, you could check out Kirby's characters, there's more to most of them than meets the eye
I was referring to Dedede in his early days when he was the bad guy for Kirby.
Hmm, a video on Kirby characters? Maybe I'll look into it some day.
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I agree. Eggman was really toned down as a villain. It got to the point where he is no longer seen as a genuine threat.
And it sucks for him he really need to retire
I don’t mind Eggman not being a villain, he should at least be an antagonist with a goal in mind and an ego to prove he’ll do what it takes.
I just really like Sonic stories from Eggman’s perspective and wish more media explored Eggman as a main character or even the protagonist. Archie did it, although I don’t like how purely evil Ian Flynn usually writes him as.
Eggman's personality in the Adventure games will be incorporated into my show Amy Resistance.
I'd like to raise some defenses for Eggman in the later games.
Unleashed: He makes Eggmanland and he's not only responsible for awakening Dark Gaia but also for amassing him into a more stabilized form.
Colours: Pulling off that amusement park is a big deal in the first place.
Generations: It's a little hard to understand, but Modern Eggman was in control of the Time Eater the all along. Classic Eggman was kidnapped by his modern counterpart at the Death Egg, and he was planning on destroying Sonic with the Egg Dragoon but still had the Time Eater as backup.
Lost World: Yeah ok he kinda sucks in this game, but he does have fantastic moments like the scene in Frozen Factory.
Forces: He himself is never shown to be weak in this game and is always a step ahead of the heroes, but he also subverted the cliche of him being supplanted as the Final Boss by the next random God Monster, by instead betraying the God Monster.
Modern saga: From Unleashed to Generations there's a singular plotline developing with Eggman as he gets more and more unhinged after each defeat, and he's always written with some of the most ridiculous plot armour I've ever seen. After Generations he was stuck in a timeless void and managed to get out before Lost World even started.
Even if that is the case it feels like he's still missing a lot of what made him great in the past.
To be fair to Bowser, he's plenty threatening in the Galaxy games and Odyssey, not to mention some of the 2D games. Never was a fan of joke Bowser.
And Paper Mario 1, where he actually was able to beat Mario for once.
@@ablosch2452 and in dream team he was able to steps ahead of the bros
Ya know he did split up the entire planet in unleashed so I guess that helps with his portrays he personality.
Eggman’s stern and egotistical persona is what makes him good enough for a profile on Disney vs Non-Disney Villains!
Even though he wasn’t a main villain in Shadow and 06, I liked his characterization. He still didn’t feel like a comedical dunce and seemed menacing.
Wow. This was a well written video essay.
@10:33, That’s an interesting point. Hell, Vaas from Far Cry 3 was written really good and he wasn’t the final villain.
This video is great for an Eggman analysis.
To paraphrase him in Shadow: "How can the comic relief provide a mild break from the drama if there IS NO DRAMA?"
You're right. I have noticed that dr. Robotnik ever since Sonic Unleashed with start off so menacing but then be just so goofy later in the story and throughout most of the story of said games.
Personally, Eggman has always been villain that you're not supposed to take terribly seriously. He made a Death Star parody and Wile E. Cayote-esque devices in the classic games, he constantly got fucked over by his own plans in the Adventure games, got one-upped by Metal Sonic in Heroes, was basically irrelevant in Shadow, incompetent in 06, got fucked over again by another god in Unleashed, only lost in Colors because of a fluke that Sonic didn't even intend to happen, and was sidelined in both Lost World and Forces, the latter of which he had actually taken over the world, but most of the plot's attention went to Infinite for some reason.
Eggman's appeal to me isn't that he's the "the most threatening villain in the franchise", he's an egomaniac who comes up with ridiculous solutions to simple problems and sticks giant mustaches on space stations. He's a fun villain, that’s part of why people like his characterization in Colors and Boom, he’s fun, but can be threatening when the plot needs him to be.
All that and he's still the most likable character in the franchise.
I sure would like Eggman to become more intimidating myself. I'd especially change him from often being betrayed by whatever ancient being or whatever he decides to partner with to him just letting it run loose. Make him an actual scientist ready to study and learn and use a weapon more than once and upgrade it every time he whips it out again.
3:08 Eggman is so willing to try to manipulate gods that it could seem as "he is so confident about that he can do it and that´s cool" or "he is so crazy that he think that he can do it" xd
I think Eggman in Sonic Adventure 2 is like the villain from The Rock. He never really intended to blow up the planet, it was an empty threat. All he wanted was to rectify his loss in Adventure 1.
There's a reason why Eggman's my favorite villain: He's the perfect combination of menacing & comical. Another villain who has that combination is Dr. Neo Cortex, but only Eggman does it right.
Ok so hear me out. In the Sonic X anime there’s a scene where Eggman realizes that he’s not from Mobius but was actually born on Earth. It’s never explained how he got to Mobius or how long he’s been there, but he knows/ remembers enough that learning about Dr. Gerald Robotnick and Shadow makes him realize he’s not from Mobius. And that got me thinking. What if the reason Eggman wants to conquer the world is because when he arrived on Mobius, he was scared and confused. Humans are used to living in big cities where they can be accommodated and kept safe from the elements. So the wild untamed nature of Sonic’s world was threatening to him. And he set out to make the place habitable by making it more like the world he was from, even if he couldn’t exactly remember what it was like. I’m not necessarily saying Eggman is the victim, since he clearly is aware of what he’s doing and that it’s wrong/ malicious. But this could serve to give him some motivation outside of, “evil guy who wants to conquer the world for reasons”
I notice that with a lot of anime villains they start out intimidating, but after getting dommed by the protagonist a couple of times, they become domesticated goofballs. *Cough, cough, Orochimaru*