Yamaha YTR-8310Z Custom "Bobby Shew" Trumpet Review
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Now that I've been doing this for a year, I figured I'd finally review the beast itself: My Yamaha Custom Z trumpet. It's an incredible jazz horn that can play with a symphonic tone if needed. I would strongly recommend this to a high school jazz player looking to upgrade to a professional trumpet. The provided Bobby Shew jazz mouthpiece, the reverse leadpipe, and the lightweight build of the instrument all allow you to soar up in the high register with ease.
Great review. They are nice horns.
Great chops by the way!
Thanks!!
Great choice of trumpet! I had the chance to try out this model of trumpet, and it was one of the most devine trumpets I've ever played!
It's a ton of fun! I keep running into Instagram musicians who use the same model.
Great playing! It's been cool to see your playing mature with your videos.
Thanks Jeff!
Fun fact, both Ronald Romm and the late Fred Mills (formally of the Canadian Brass' original line up) used this this horn model. Look up anything with Romm in the past few years and he's using it. Find an image of Mills and it's the one he's holding. A versatile instrument to say the most.
Wow, that's really cool!! I thought I'd seen Fred playing on something similar but I never realized it was this exact model. Thanks for the info!
Samuel Plays Brass depends on which era of the Canadian Brass. I believe it’s in the 2000s Fred switched to the shew model. However he did play Yamaha before that because the Canadian Brass were artists in the years before he departed the group.
The "Shew" is an excellent horn for both jazz and "legit" playing. One of my old friends plays one and he used to play trumpet in the Ray Charles Big Band right after he graduated from high school.
It really is a great horn and you're right that a lot of respectable players use or have used one! Personally I've played mine for six years at this point and have no reason to switch to anything else. My one issue is the bore running a tad small for legit playing. A larger mouthpiece certainly helps but it still has a slightly different sound.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass Yeah, the horn does have a smaller .445" bore size, and I wasn't sure how that would agree with me. And, yes, a mouthpiece with a larger throat and backbore can help. I usually play a Schilke 17, but recently bought a 17D4d that has a larger backbore. Now I get a nicer, darker, richer tone and a more free-blowing horn with a little less resistance. Cheers.
Great review! That's a nice trumpet and a nice mouthpiece! I got accepted into the jazz band at the community college I'll be attending! I currently play a Bach 3C, and that Bobby Shew Jazz mouthpiece really intrigues me.There are 2 new Strads in my music store as well! A 180S37 and 180S43. I'm currently looking at the strads, especially the reverse lead pipe Strads. But I'm hoping I can try them at my next lesson. And I plan on playing at church with my private teacher's Bach 239 C trumpet!
Congrats on making it in!! Keep trying all the equipment you can to avoid sinking a fortune into the wrong horn or mouthpiece. Hope all goes well!
Thank you!
I play a Vincent Bach 3C, I don't think a 10 1/2C or 11E would be good jazz mouthpieces...for ME at least because they're really small. It looks like those mouthpieces fit you well, but I can't guarantee you they will fit me. I'm pretty sure my Bach 3C would be fine, but we'll see! Rehearsal doesn't start until August 21st at 7:00 PM.
If you like the 3C, I play a Schilke 14b with the throat enlarged to a 22. Previous to that I played a Kanstul CG3. See if you can find them used in good condition. I don't recommend trying too many different things. I think playing different mouthpieces is like smelling different colognes or perfumes. After smelling so many different things, you can't tell the difference. I think after play so many different mouthpieces, nothing will feel good.
Thanks for the suggestions Bradley! I'll keep an open mind, but as of now I have plenty to work with
How does the Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz mouthpiece sound on Bach 180s37 trumpet?
Do the low notes suffer a little?
Many players warn to stay away from the Bobby Shew "Lead," however. It is famously pinched-sounding and hard to play low notes on. In my opinion, however, the Shew "Jazz" mouthpiece is an excellent choice for any horn. It is very slightly shallower than the 3C, but also just a little wider, meaning that you still can get a large, broad sound in the lower register.
Do you have to oil these valves a lot during practice time? I have a cheaper version but i don't really like the valves cause sometimes they get stuck... regards!
For a period of time my valves had some issues... if they are sticking frequently, I would suggest washing out the casings with Ajax degreaser or something similar. I oil my valves about once a week (2 times per week would probably be better) but you shouldn't have to oil them more than once every few days.
I tried this one, and it has a very nice sound! I did notice that it felt like it had a bit more resistance than what I am used to (a 2320).
Good observation! This model is one of Yamaha's most "locked-in." The precision is incredible but the medium bore can feel restricting for some players. These days I use very large and/or deep mouthpieces to counteract this narrower bore.
Bobby Shew has emphysema, so this works for him. It's a medium bore trumpet. Some people can make it work for them, others can't. Before Yamaha discontinued them, the YTR-6320 was .460" and the YTR-6340 WAS .464 if you can find them.
Great trills - - I really want one now
QL For some one that's totally new...is there any reason why some one couldn't start with this horn?
Good question! To answer, let me tell you a bit of a story.
This was the horn I upgraded to in the eighth grade-I’d been making fart noises into brass tubes for three years now and just made the cut for the local youth symphony, and so my parents took me to an instrument store. I chose this instrument over a couple of Bachs, a Cannonball, and I think a Schilke and a higher-end King. The reason as to why is muddled, but part of my decision was that the Yamaha Shew seemed to respond instantaneously to my touch as a player. It didn’t seem to need as much gas to get going.
Some research years later led me to the reason behind this. Most modern trumpets are built on medium-large (ML) bore tubing: 0.459” in diameter, measured at the valve section tubes. The Shew, meanwhile, measures out at closer to 0.444”, a true medium (M) bore.
Bobby Shew is one of the best jazz/commercial/studio players alive today, but he suffers from some debilitating health conditions that I don’t know the details of but I know affect his lungs and breath capacity. Bobby needed his horn to be designed with a smaller bore profile. That said, he gets a massive sound out of his Shew horn. On that token, the smaller bore provides an ease of response and smooth sound that can be great for new players as well as older!
The reason for needing to research in the first place was my dissatisfaction with a slight lack of low register clarity as compared to my former teacher’s big-bored Scodwell horn. This can be a turn-off for some, but most new players with a conventional embouchure and not too many bad habits tend to have a leg up in the low register and won’t feel limited by the Shew’s M bore.
Hope a word or two in there is helpful! :)
What do you think of the Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz mouthpiece in comparison with the Bach 3c
I like the Shew Jazz more. It’s a little wider, like a Bach 2, but a little shallower, like a Bach D. It’s better for jazz than most Bach mouthpieces for sure, and even does fairly well as a general-purpose or classical size. It feels more comfortable on my chops than a lot of Bach mouthpieces, too.
So would it be good enough in a classical setting?some people said that the blow is a bit too "tight",what do you think?
This horn does have a medium bore rather than the standard medium-large, but it pairs well with larger mouthpieces that can make the blow a little less restrictive, so with the right equipment choice I think this horn can work great in a classical setting.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass thanks!
One of my favorite horns ever ….!
After being convinced that I needed a Strad to “blend in” with other Strads and spending about 6 months last year playing on one, and eventually coming to the conclusion that my Shew still felt like home and gave me “my sound,” I have to agree wholeheartedly.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass btw: is it recommended on a brand new horn ( Yamaha ) to break it down and flush it out in a warm soapy bath scrubbing the valve ports to de-bur it before playing or are they pretty clean when we get them?
What is the name of that song that you played in yhw beginning of the video?
Slavische Fantasie by Carl Hohne
Samuel Plays Brass thank you
Excellent review, but let me ask you this, what is the deal with the bobby shew tweak? Do you know anything about this? Why tweak an instrument that is supposed to be pro model?
This horn is not tweaked. It's his own custom model (YTR8310) that Yamaha designed for him. Supposedly the 6310 was his custom as well, but perhaps it didn't respond well enough in the high register for his liking (or some issue like that) and so he had Yamaha design the 8310. Sorry I don't know how to best answer your question.
Samuel Plays Brass i see, thanks for the reply
I tried it out and it's great for concert too
Definitely. I use it in the youth symphony and it works well there.
Great video! 🎺🎶👏👏 Have you tried any Yamaha s Artis series yet? Chi-ny models, allen Vizzutti model?, Zeno s?
Thanks! I’ve tried a Xeno but not any of the other Artist models.
how did you get through playing with braces is my real question, i’m considering .
I blundered through it and ended up with a really bad embouchure. I'm not a good resource to consult. Talk to private instructors who have had students with braces.
I spent my first year or so playing with braces.
Hi Samuel, you know you can polish the slides and grease them, look like new,
Yes, but it’s not good to polish too much or too often.
I’ve heard the Bobby shew blows free, is light and has fast valves that are shorter than standard and plays potentially faster. For the price I believe it’s a great value.
You are correct! It's very free blowing but doesn't sacrifice intonation for ease of slotting, it's pretty lightweight but still can play with a dark sound, and all registers speak with ease. I'm not sure about the short valves, although I wouldn't be surprised.
I know this is an old post, but wonder if you've had a chance, or felt the inclination, to check out the 8310zii. Some reviewers who evidently didn't like the version you have seem to love the new one. Others, though, insist it's insignificantly different; and on one site there's a person who claims Bobby Shew himself told him there's no reason to prefer version ii.
I haven't had the opportunity to try out the 8310ZII. I'd be interested to know what people like about it.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I wonder if you could borrow one for a review. I'd value your take on the differences between the two.
I don’t know of anybody who might have one. The music stores in the area probably don’t carry the new model. Plus, I’m not exactly a trained professional. I can’t pick up on minute differences like some can.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I know you're modest, and that's laudable :) But one reason I'd like to hear your views is simply that they wouldn't be colored by any commercial interest. You could just give your impressions without caring whether viewers wanted to buy the trumpet based on what you said. But, yeah, I understand there isn't always a test instrument available.Thanks.
You should play some jazz songs so we can get a feel of its natural habitat
Oh man
Kousaka Reina also plays with this trumpet~~ (Not sure if you are an Anime fan)
I start playing trumpet because of this Anime (Sound! Euphonium)
How long have you been playing trumpet? You play so nicely.
I practiced for 1 year and still a long way to go. Tonguing, range and endurance development are all so difficult.
PhD is super busy (I study materials science) but I still have to spare some time to play trumpet...I love it.
I own a Bach tr300h2 (made is US) trumpet (I remember that you reviewed tr500, which is made in China). It's a decent trumpet with good tone overall but the pitches after double high D are all very flat (not playable at all). Just bought one YTR8335 trumpet and looking forward to playing it.
Thank you very much! I had already been playing for five years when I uploaded this video. I too am going to study a field other than music (mechanical engineering) but will continue to play music as a hobby.
Samuel Plays Brass I play the trombone but I am doing medicine now ;) . Keep the music soul up! 😊
And eupho too ! Haha xD
Talk about large or deep mouthpieces. Can I ask what mouthpiece you sit for jazz?
I did a review and discussion of large and deep mouthpiece, the Bach Megatone 1-1/2A, which I use for almost all of my playing: czcams.com/video/B2ewj0TV9Dg/video.html
On the rare occasions where I do not use this mouthpiece, I usually use my GR 67M mouthpiece.
“This won’t be good but I’ll try my best “
Hits double b
Btw would you consider it as good as a pro model
LOL yeah, but my tone was awful back when I posted this. I was a high schooler doing typical high schooler things. This trumpet isn’t just “as good” as a pro model. It’s indisputably a pro model. Quite possibly one of the best in the industry, but surprisingly a little cheaper than many other professional options.
You should try jet tone
I'm not really a fan of the lead mouthpieces, but it can't hurt to try
The Shew sounds great but I hear they can be stuffy
It shouldn't make a world of difference theoretically, but this horn has a medium bore rather than the medium-large size that dominates most of the trumpet market. It doesn't really stop me from having a wide tonal palette, but the horn does have some (very slight) issues (that won't affect players with a decent low register) on low notes with two or three valves down.
Filthy hufflepuff
Same to you
sell out
I'm sure Yamaha would pay some goober with 300 subscribers to promote one of their instruments