Support Comparison for Songque with Dreamseeker and Serapeum | 7.6 BETA

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2024

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  • @MarisaHonkai
    @MarisaHonkai  Před 2 měsíci +12

    Edit: Oh yeah I totally forgot about base crit rate that every valk has. Kuro in discord said it's ~29% but that means Songque should have around 100% crit rate on ult in coralie-thelema team, but it definitely doesn't feel like it. You can see the blue numbers appear very consistently.
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  • @pokaymanstar1000
    @pokaymanstar1000 Před 2 měsíci +10

    2:22 Amazing. I lucksacked and got both Lantern and Thelema

  • @RockOrso2
    @RockOrso2 Před 2 měsíci +7

    I only have Sardine without PRI-ARM & max Coralie, so I can only go hard for Songcake's staff and maybe Serapeum to comply with Griseo's spending outfit.

  • @ghost.mp3
    @ghost.mp3 Před 2 měsíci +4

    so songque's best team varies based on circumstance and enemies eh...
    i've accepted that all the part 2 valkyries need each other somehow but i was planning to get thelema and lantern another time so now i'm wondering who i should go for first. you need thelema for dps lantern team but sounds like you need lantern more for songque?

  • @CY-jd5sm
    @CY-jd5sm Před 2 měsíci +26

    Don't understand why convert crit damage to crit rage, instead of converting redundant crit rate to crit damage to get more damage, i don't understand this Serapium mechanics.

    • @ch.7785
      @ch.7785 Před 2 měsíci +20

      its basically the EXACT same mechanic as HoRB crit conversion. basically "No more balding for crits.". If you played pre-HoRB era, and you have hare, you wouldve known how cringe her crit rate were. (Even with crit buffs hare's crit is still only 70~% max).

    • @MarisaHonkai
      @MarisaHonkai  Před 2 měsíci +20

      This is how Herrscher of Rebirth works

    • @jjmitchell14
      @jjmitchell14 Před 2 měsíci +12

      Serapeum has cdmg to cr conversion in her kit, while Songque has cr to cdmg conversion in her’s. Together they make a whole HoRb, so no, she won’t overcap on cr. Plus, as others have mentioned, crit balding was the worst part of physical teams before HoRb came and changed everything

    • @helper_bot
      @helper_bot Před 2 měsíci +6

      your problem is that you didnt read her kit at all lmao. that's exactly SQ's Astral Ring 4 passive. it's probably why Sena+Lantern still ahead in Sera's AsOp comparison despite overcapping CR. Quoted from Marisa's songgyatt's rentry:
      AR 4
      When AR Wheel of Destiny is active:
      When you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Total DMG +10%
      *_When Crit Rate exceeds 100%, for every 1% Crit Rate exceeded, gain 2% Crit DMG, max 30% exceeding Crit Rate. If you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Physical DMG +30%_*
      When Crit Rate is below 100%, if you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Crit Rate +18% and Total DMG +18%.

  • @alexandermielke3526
    @alexandermielke3526 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I don't have any part 2 S rank yet and i'm going all in for Sonque. What other characters can i use as support for a budget team? Do Coralie and Helia work or are there other units that might be better? I'm a returning player so i don't even have Herrscher of Rebirth...

    • @MarisaHonkai
      @MarisaHonkai  Před 2 měsíci +3

      Only Coralie. You need another valk Sena, Thelema, Lantern, or wait future valk

    • @alexandermielke3526
      @alexandermielke3526 Před 2 měsíci

      @@MarisaHonkai thanks for the info, will be waiting for more information on future valks then

  • @RaykinaBreaker
    @RaykinaBreaker Před 2 měsíci +3

    Marisa have you made any Team dmg test using Elf as Astral Op support?
    It feels like they were forgotten so fast.

  • @yuuutsunoyuushou
    @yuuutsunoyuushou Před 2 měsíci +1

    1) Why does Sena can enter the field now?
    2) Maybe a stupid question but can I use Songque AstralOP with Songque valk? :D

  • @akarin9468
    @akarin9468 Před 2 měsíci +3

    So in other word I should focus getting lantern instead of thelema??? I can't take both since I'm f2p i have 17 guarantee left from thelema last time banner really having bad luck there..hopefully i get answer for this😅

    • @lainarc
      @lainarc Před 2 měsíci +6

      The difference is so minimal that its more worth it to see which character improves you more the rest of your teams, and in that, Thelema beats Lantern by a lot

    • @akarin9468
      @akarin9468 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@lainarc ok sir so I'm getting Thelema then since I have her complete stigma set except weapon. Also my Sena have complete gear and I trying to save crystal for upcoming new Songque if possible.

  • @vzx
    @vzx Před 2 měsíci +7

    I'm interested on how well she can support Thelema and Lantern main DPS if you don't have Sena.

    • @miserlys
      @miserlys Před 2 měsíci +6

      She doesnt provide elemental breach so sena is still a must

  • @sharpcrab7738
    @sharpcrab7738 Před 2 měsíci +7

    2:38 take off pantyhoses replay button

    • @helper_bot
      @helper_bot Před 2 měsíci

      i swear every beta footage i see from other CC thats not Moriso has more contrast on the skin to pantyhose

  • @user-oe4vy4vy9d
    @user-oe4vy4vy9d Před 2 měsíci

    is getting Songque's equiqment better than first going for Serapeum? i had plans on pulling Serapeum first and then go for Songque's equiqment but i think going for Songque's equiqment first is better than pulling for Serapeum first? i need opinions

  • @NephilimC
    @NephilimC Před 2 měsíci

    what team would you guys recommend I should look to build I'm a returning player that hasn't played since the release of the Herrscher trio want to get back into things, but all this new stuff is pretty overwhelming to say the least

  • @marjonverzosa
    @marjonverzosa Před 2 měsíci

    Sir what would be first after version 7.6 updated? Main story or event with theresa.

  • @crys3465
    @crys3465 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Sena can be switched in now? Did they remove that weird mechanic wher you lose buffs when Sena enters the field?

  • @andersonsamuel123
    @andersonsamuel123 Před 2 měsíci

    Marisa or someone, please I need the help to decide. What is more important to get for Hersheer Songque: Lantern or Serapeum? I can only get one of them without risking Songque pulls (I have AstralOp Songque, Senadina and Thelema)

    • @cotharsis
      @cotharsis Před 2 měsíci

      I'm in the same situation, gonna skip lantern since sena and thelem are good enough supports and maybe pull for sera after full gearing que since it's spending event anyway

    • @menna131
      @menna131 Před 2 měsíci

      lantern

  • @captain.hayama
    @captain.hayama Před 2 měsíci

    Hi Marisa, recently we cannot find Skills and Gears info as usual.
    Are they still available?

    • @MarisaHonkai
      @MarisaHonkai  Před 2 měsíci

      Vid will be available later. You can read them here for now rentry.co/songgyatt

  • @PoorviBidye
    @PoorviBidye Před 2 měsíci

    I hv got Sena and maxed out Coralie and helia. I hv 15k+ xtals and 25 pulls remaining. I am planning on getting thelema in her rerun. Who should I get next? Lantern or Songque? Or just sit and wait for a new valk or smth??

    • @herrscherofthundermei
      @herrscherofthundermei Před 2 měsíci

      Go for songque if you're willing to compete in abyss and ma and because new characters are needed to work with each other or go for thelema if you don't have an ice dps

  • @The-Tricksters
    @The-Tricksters Před 2 měsíci

    I have about 16k crystal and 30 equipment card with monthly card Right now, should i try pull lantern(without her gear) for songque supp or just skip her for astralOP, please help 😢

    • @cotharsis
      @cotharsis Před 2 měsíci

      if you're not going to full gear lantern, better go for songque full geared

    • @The-Tricksters
      @The-Tricksters Před 2 měsíci

      @@cotharsis i'm gonna full gear songque, but should i pull lantern(no gear) for songque? or just save my crystall for serapeum?

  • @athanh8888
    @athanh8888 Před 2 měsíci

    So will Sera AO replace Songque AO? Or should Sera only be used for Songque and physic team?

  • @cnydo
    @cnydo Před 2 měsíci +1

    I have only 15k crys now. Don't know if I can get enough for songque

  • @jordansmith752
    @jordansmith752 Před 2 měsíci

    What was the point of herrscher seele.

  • @backmarkerbob
    @backmarkerbob Před 2 měsíci +1

    So the part 1 phy ELFs will be useless for Songque?

  • @kaisalkaissy9508
    @kaisalkaissy9508 Před 2 měsíci

    Guys I thought Donegal will come befor Serapeum as an Astral Ring.

  • @KifuneRaika
    @KifuneRaika Před 2 měsíci

    Will you be available for the v7.6 CN Livestream?

    • @MarisaHonkai
      @MarisaHonkai  Před 2 měsíci +4

      Maybe. No translator tho.

    • @KifuneRaika
      @KifuneRaika Před 2 měsíci

      @MarisaHonkai I can't translate much on the fly but I can lurk into other people stream and see what they're saying....... 😆

  • @minhkhanhao3583
    @minhkhanhao3583 Před 2 měsíci

    You think Dreamseeker or Songque Astralop is better for this team ? It seem realy hard to get Serapeum for me next ver :((

    • @menna131
      @menna131 Před 2 měsíci

      astralops for people who can afford it

    • @menna131
      @menna131 Před 2 měsíci

      so its not that important

  • @toura8265
    @toura8265 Před 2 měsíci

    Songque is SD right?
    So if I have CE+SI+VQ, i dont really need her to retain redlotus?

    • @crys3465
      @crys3465 Před 2 měsíci +1

      That team is a bit weird. Don't you have HoRb or HoS for a source of Impair?

    • @toura8265
      @toura8265 Před 2 měsíci

      @@crys3465
      I have SS HoS.
      CE gives sp to SI, so their rotation is much more comfortable to execute, scores are really similar.

  • @bzikle7792
    @bzikle7792 Před 2 měsíci

    I don't have Thelema and Lantern, who should I use instead? Coralie?

    • @MarisaHonkai
      @MarisaHonkai  Před 2 měsíci +6

      Sena + Coralie

    • @jcdenton2819
      @jcdenton2819 Před 2 měsíci

      @@MarisaHonkai Mimi Mitsu did the comparison and Sena+Coralie (no Serapeum) is only 66%

    • @helper_bot
      @helper_bot Před 2 měsíci

      @@jcdenton2819still better team than helia who wont help SQ at all, and SQ valk is still a must pull since physical + new Stardust type
      granted, OP can pull either rerun Lantern/Thel/future better support since it would be wise to do so

    • @alexandermielke3526
      @alexandermielke3526 Před 2 měsíci

      @@helper_bot good to know, only have Helia and Coralie from the part 2 Valks so far, thanks for the recommendation

  • @nobrainkungchannel1234
    @nobrainkungchannel1234 Před 2 měsíci

    can it be used with old horb seele?

    • @Sancret
      @Sancret Před 2 měsíci

      Not really at best HoRb is only there for crit rate but that's it since songque's 3pc gives impair making HoRb's own impair useless

    • @Idk_My_Name
      @Idk_My_Name Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@Sancretisnt horb impair bigger than her?
      I think songque impair is only 50%

    • @MarisaHonkai
      @MarisaHonkai  Před 2 měsíci

      Horb impair is an aura so it will overwrite songque impair

    • @nobrainkungchannel1234
      @nobrainkungchannel1234 Před 2 měsíci

      @@MarisaHonkai and as a f2p player.....I DON'T have enough xtals for those 3!

  • @ablanomor3050
    @ablanomor3050 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Guys so sonqune is basically part 2 impair valk right?

    • @MarisaHonkai
      @MarisaHonkai  Před 2 měsíci +6

      No. The impair is only applied when she’s on the field - basically just for herself.

  • @saffle_
    @saffle_ Před 2 měsíci

    DS vs Sera astral op damage is kinda big..