Edit: Oh yeah I totally forgot about base crit rate that every valk has. Kuro in discord said it's ~29% but that means Songque should have around 100% crit rate on ult in coralie-thelema team, but it definitely doesn't feel like it. You can see the blue numbers appear very consistently. For more gameplay and info on Honkai v7.6 such as Songque Gameplay, Serapeum AstralOp, Spending Event and more, check out the v7.6 Playlist: czcams.com/play/PLEFjMtmQPRPtjUEkQ0EkVCm5b29BDaJOH.html
I only have Sardine without PRI-ARM & max Coralie, so I can only go hard for Songcake's staff and maybe Serapeum to comply with Griseo's spending outfit.
so songque's best team varies based on circumstance and enemies eh... i've accepted that all the part 2 valkyries need each other somehow but i was planning to get thelema and lantern another time so now i'm wondering who i should go for first. you need thelema for dps lantern team but sounds like you need lantern more for songque?
Don't understand why convert crit damage to crit rage, instead of converting redundant crit rate to crit damage to get more damage, i don't understand this Serapium mechanics.
its basically the EXACT same mechanic as HoRB crit conversion. basically "No more balding for crits.". If you played pre-HoRB era, and you have hare, you wouldve known how cringe her crit rate were. (Even with crit buffs hare's crit is still only 70~% max).
Serapeum has cdmg to cr conversion in her kit, while Songque has cr to cdmg conversion in her’s. Together they make a whole HoRb, so no, she won’t overcap on cr. Plus, as others have mentioned, crit balding was the worst part of physical teams before HoRb came and changed everything
your problem is that you didnt read her kit at all lmao. that's exactly SQ's Astral Ring 4 passive. it's probably why Sena+Lantern still ahead in Sera's AsOp comparison despite overcapping CR. Quoted from Marisa's songgyatt's rentry: AR 4 When AR Wheel of Destiny is active: When you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Total DMG +10% *_When Crit Rate exceeds 100%, for every 1% Crit Rate exceeded, gain 2% Crit DMG, max 30% exceeding Crit Rate. If you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Physical DMG +30%_* When Crit Rate is below 100%, if you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Crit Rate +18% and Total DMG +18%.
I don't have any part 2 S rank yet and i'm going all in for Sonque. What other characters can i use as support for a budget team? Do Coralie and Helia work or are there other units that might be better? I'm a returning player so i don't even have Herrscher of Rebirth...
So in other word I should focus getting lantern instead of thelema??? I can't take both since I'm f2p i have 17 guarantee left from thelema last time banner really having bad luck there..hopefully i get answer for this😅
The difference is so minimal that its more worth it to see which character improves you more the rest of your teams, and in that, Thelema beats Lantern by a lot
@@lainarc ok sir so I'm getting Thelema then since I have her complete stigma set except weapon. Also my Sena have complete gear and I trying to save crystal for upcoming new Songque if possible.
is getting Songque's equiqment better than first going for Serapeum? i had plans on pulling Serapeum first and then go for Songque's equiqment but i think going for Songque's equiqment first is better than pulling for Serapeum first? i need opinions
what team would you guys recommend I should look to build I'm a returning player that hasn't played since the release of the Herrscher trio want to get back into things, but all this new stuff is pretty overwhelming to say the least
Marisa or someone, please I need the help to decide. What is more important to get for Hersheer Songque: Lantern or Serapeum? I can only get one of them without risking Songque pulls (I have AstralOp Songque, Senadina and Thelema)
I'm in the same situation, gonna skip lantern since sena and thelem are good enough supports and maybe pull for sera after full gearing que since it's spending event anyway
I hv got Sena and maxed out Coralie and helia. I hv 15k+ xtals and 25 pulls remaining. I am planning on getting thelema in her rerun. Who should I get next? Lantern or Songque? Or just sit and wait for a new valk or smth??
Go for songque if you're willing to compete in abyss and ma and because new characters are needed to work with each other or go for thelema if you don't have an ice dps
I have about 16k crystal and 30 equipment card with monthly card Right now, should i try pull lantern(without her gear) for songque supp or just skip her for astralOP, please help 😢
@@jcdenton2819still better team than helia who wont help SQ at all, and SQ valk is still a must pull since physical + new Stardust type granted, OP can pull either rerun Lantern/Thel/future better support since it would be wise to do so
Edit: Oh yeah I totally forgot about base crit rate that every valk has. Kuro in discord said it's ~29% but that means Songque should have around 100% crit rate on ult in coralie-thelema team, but it definitely doesn't feel like it. You can see the blue numbers appear very consistently.
For more gameplay and info on Honkai v7.6 such as Songque Gameplay, Serapeum AstralOp, Spending Event and more, check out the v7.6 Playlist:
czcams.com/play/PLEFjMtmQPRPtjUEkQ0EkVCm5b29BDaJOH.html
2:22 Amazing. I lucksacked and got both Lantern and Thelema
I only have Sardine without PRI-ARM & max Coralie, so I can only go hard for Songcake's staff and maybe Serapeum to comply with Griseo's spending outfit.
so songque's best team varies based on circumstance and enemies eh...
i've accepted that all the part 2 valkyries need each other somehow but i was planning to get thelema and lantern another time so now i'm wondering who i should go for first. you need thelema for dps lantern team but sounds like you need lantern more for songque?
Don't understand why convert crit damage to crit rage, instead of converting redundant crit rate to crit damage to get more damage, i don't understand this Serapium mechanics.
its basically the EXACT same mechanic as HoRB crit conversion. basically "No more balding for crits.". If you played pre-HoRB era, and you have hare, you wouldve known how cringe her crit rate were. (Even with crit buffs hare's crit is still only 70~% max).
This is how Herrscher of Rebirth works
Serapeum has cdmg to cr conversion in her kit, while Songque has cr to cdmg conversion in her’s. Together they make a whole HoRb, so no, she won’t overcap on cr. Plus, as others have mentioned, crit balding was the worst part of physical teams before HoRb came and changed everything
your problem is that you didnt read her kit at all lmao. that's exactly SQ's Astral Ring 4 passive. it's probably why Sena+Lantern still ahead in Sera's AsOp comparison despite overcapping CR. Quoted from Marisa's songgyatt's rentry:
AR 4
When AR Wheel of Destiny is active:
When you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Total DMG +10%
*_When Crit Rate exceeds 100%, for every 1% Crit Rate exceeded, gain 2% Crit DMG, max 30% exceeding Crit Rate. If you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Physical DMG +30%_*
When Crit Rate is below 100%, if you are in Elemental Breach state, gain Crit Rate +18% and Total DMG +18%.
I don't have any part 2 S rank yet and i'm going all in for Sonque. What other characters can i use as support for a budget team? Do Coralie and Helia work or are there other units that might be better? I'm a returning player so i don't even have Herrscher of Rebirth...
Only Coralie. You need another valk Sena, Thelema, Lantern, or wait future valk
@@MarisaHonkai thanks for the info, will be waiting for more information on future valks then
Marisa have you made any Team dmg test using Elf as Astral Op support?
It feels like they were forgotten so fast.
1) Why does Sena can enter the field now?
2) Maybe a stupid question but can I use Songque AstralOP with Songque valk? :D
So in other word I should focus getting lantern instead of thelema??? I can't take both since I'm f2p i have 17 guarantee left from thelema last time banner really having bad luck there..hopefully i get answer for this😅
The difference is so minimal that its more worth it to see which character improves you more the rest of your teams, and in that, Thelema beats Lantern by a lot
@@lainarc ok sir so I'm getting Thelema then since I have her complete stigma set except weapon. Also my Sena have complete gear and I trying to save crystal for upcoming new Songque if possible.
I'm interested on how well she can support Thelema and Lantern main DPS if you don't have Sena.
She doesnt provide elemental breach so sena is still a must
2:38 take off pantyhoses replay button
i swear every beta footage i see from other CC thats not Moriso has more contrast on the skin to pantyhose
is getting Songque's equiqment better than first going for Serapeum? i had plans on pulling Serapeum first and then go for Songque's equiqment but i think going for Songque's equiqment first is better than pulling for Serapeum first? i need opinions
what team would you guys recommend I should look to build I'm a returning player that hasn't played since the release of the Herrscher trio want to get back into things, but all this new stuff is pretty overwhelming to say the least
Sir what would be first after version 7.6 updated? Main story or event with theresa.
Sena can be switched in now? Did they remove that weird mechanic wher you lose buffs when Sena enters the field?
Only if you have 3pc stigma
Marisa or someone, please I need the help to decide. What is more important to get for Hersheer Songque: Lantern or Serapeum? I can only get one of them without risking Songque pulls (I have AstralOp Songque, Senadina and Thelema)
I'm in the same situation, gonna skip lantern since sena and thelem are good enough supports and maybe pull for sera after full gearing que since it's spending event anyway
lantern
Hi Marisa, recently we cannot find Skills and Gears info as usual.
Are they still available?
Vid will be available later. You can read them here for now rentry.co/songgyatt
I hv got Sena and maxed out Coralie and helia. I hv 15k+ xtals and 25 pulls remaining. I am planning on getting thelema in her rerun. Who should I get next? Lantern or Songque? Or just sit and wait for a new valk or smth??
Go for songque if you're willing to compete in abyss and ma and because new characters are needed to work with each other or go for thelema if you don't have an ice dps
I have about 16k crystal and 30 equipment card with monthly card Right now, should i try pull lantern(without her gear) for songque supp or just skip her for astralOP, please help 😢
if you're not going to full gear lantern, better go for songque full geared
@@cotharsis i'm gonna full gear songque, but should i pull lantern(no gear) for songque? or just save my crystall for serapeum?
So will Sera AO replace Songque AO? Or should Sera only be used for Songque and physic team?
I have only 15k crys now. Don't know if I can get enough for songque
you can!!
What was the point of herrscher seele.
So the part 1 phy ELFs will be useless for Songque?
Guys I thought Donegal will come befor Serapeum as an Astral Ring.
Will you be available for the v7.6 CN Livestream?
Maybe. No translator tho.
@MarisaHonkai I can't translate much on the fly but I can lurk into other people stream and see what they're saying....... 😆
You think Dreamseeker or Songque Astralop is better for this team ? It seem realy hard to get Serapeum for me next ver :((
astralops for people who can afford it
so its not that important
Songque is SD right?
So if I have CE+SI+VQ, i dont really need her to retain redlotus?
That team is a bit weird. Don't you have HoRb or HoS for a source of Impair?
@@crys3465
I have SS HoS.
CE gives sp to SI, so their rotation is much more comfortable to execute, scores are really similar.
I don't have Thelema and Lantern, who should I use instead? Coralie?
Sena + Coralie
@@MarisaHonkai Mimi Mitsu did the comparison and Sena+Coralie (no Serapeum) is only 66%
@@jcdenton2819still better team than helia who wont help SQ at all, and SQ valk is still a must pull since physical + new Stardust type
granted, OP can pull either rerun Lantern/Thel/future better support since it would be wise to do so
@@helper_bot good to know, only have Helia and Coralie from the part 2 Valks so far, thanks for the recommendation
can it be used with old horb seele?
Not really at best HoRb is only there for crit rate but that's it since songque's 3pc gives impair making HoRb's own impair useless
@@Sancretisnt horb impair bigger than her?
I think songque impair is only 50%
Horb impair is an aura so it will overwrite songque impair
@@MarisaHonkai and as a f2p player.....I DON'T have enough xtals for those 3!
Guys so sonqune is basically part 2 impair valk right?
No. The impair is only applied when she’s on the field - basically just for herself.
DS vs Sera astral op damage is kinda big..