When he described being a latchkey kid with no father figure and a busy mum, he describes most of us Gen Xers who grew up the same watching horror movies. The majority of us never felt the need to murder our friends. He has no excuse.
I’m a older guy and my father was working all the time when I was a kid. As an adult I too worked at least ten hour to fifteen hour days and was on call for many weekends. I know that my sons would prefer that I was home more, but they understood that I had to work. Now my sons work long hours. This is just the way things are and most kid’s experience this and should not be used as an excuse for murder.
Ong I’m 20 and around 2 years ago is where my mama stopped working 3 jobs n just worked one never really got to hang or be with her never felt the need to go murder a friend or do some sick shi like he did
There are majority outcomes but everyone's experiences are not the same. You don't have his brain. You didn't meet Torey and become friends with him. You didn't have his family. It isn't excuses, it is his reasons. This person is exactly where he should be because no one has made excuses for him. I for one hope he never gets out.
EWU seems to always request an interview with the killer, sometimes they aren’t interested/not possible. Sometimes they’re narcissistic sociopaths who don’t mind relishing in their crimes. Thanks for all the hard work EWU
He talking to filth, nothing insane about that. No different from scraping shet off the bottom of your shoe. He killed a young girl that took him for a good friend.
@@chaoticprogressthe lack of accountability is enough. He says she lost her life, instead of saying that he took her life by murdering her. He still distances himself from the act as if he doesn’t want to take responsibility for it.
I actually think they are just being honest. I think they got a lot of therapy. The first one - Brian - I think he shows lack of remorse and insight. I wonder what his biological parents were like....I would be interested in seeing if there could be a genetic component
@@SueP-jg9vxI agree re his bio parents. I don’t think a 13 year old would have had good prenatal care. Her eggs wouldn’t have been great quality either.
Its not a lack of accountability. The guy is just answering the questions with a grown up mindset. He studders and fails to open up because age will make you see things a different way. Nobody would answer blantantly honest under these surcumstances. He did the best he could under pressure without sounding like a jackass. Thats the human thing to do
it's crazy how seemingly impossible it is for him to sympathize with his victim, and to just say "i wish i hadn't killed her".. no matter how hard these types of people try to sound normal and reasonable, they will always fail.
Agree. Its so bizzare to me as someone who has a lot of empathy to hear people talk who don't have that capability. Like he doesn't say anything about Cassie or her family its just all about him. He wishes he didn't kill her so he didn't have to be sitting in jail forever. Or he wishes he could have gotten away with it and kept killing. Sickening to hear
As a sheriff deputy for over 15 years. I meet so many people like this. People are the scariest thing on earth. Please tell your family to be careful. Be kind and loving to all.
@@tellemstevedave5559 1% cops are honest/worthy,90% cops are mindless doing what they're told, might even tear gas their own mother is caught rioting ,9 %cops are evil power hungry and corrupt
The way he contradicts himself in his own answers is actually kind of insane. You can really see how he has convinced himself that he was just a kid who was a little out of line, and it’s everyone else’s fault that he couldn’t be stopped. Nuts.
i still blame myself for “acting up” and getting bad grades in high school for pretty much the same reasons he committed literal murder lol, some people can’t be helped
Exactly! He and Torey knew far too well that murder is an ENORMOUS felony that has CONSEQUENCES that comes with it and had PLENTY of time to reconsider murdering Cassie and still went ahead with it. You reap what you sow you buffoons🤷♂️
Sounds like democrats; here are some of the democrat highlights abou the Americans who wont submit to what the dems want: Youre deplorables, f you, you support dictators, you dare vote for who you want, you don't like your money being spent by the government on illegal immigrants and foreign wars, your petty concerns about your food safety and financial future disgust us.... Sure sounds like how democrats treat the people who dont do what the authoritarian left wants.
I think Brian is under the impression that the way he comes off in this interview is that he has spent a lot of time thinking about his actions and that he accepts them. When in reality it is painfully clear that all his time thinking has just been spent finding any and every way to explain that it is everything/everything else's fault and not his. How is it possible to go through an interview like that and not once say anything resembling "I am sorry for what I did to Cassie and her family"
Idk maybe because nobody asked him "are you sorry for what you did". But he did say he is remorseful. Is saying "im sorry for doing xyz" the only way you can be sorry for something? You can not like him(and i dont either) but dont lie. He's obviously matured and knows what he did was wrong.
@@IconoclastXI 100% agree with this he sounds like he’s come to terms with what has happened and is remorseful it’s just a disconnect because everyone watching is expecting him to apologize and be on that when he himself has been through that stage.
This case was horrifying! They toyed with her, hid in the basement & flicked lights on and off to make her really scared, then they both chased her and viciously killed her with a knife… He will never be let out. This was their friend that they terrorized & killed. He said ..”sorry that someone had to die” in order for him to mature was rather chilling
It’s so wild how you can tell that he’s spent all this time doing incredible mental gymnastics trying to analyze why he did what he did, and that he truly believes he’s just a kid who went a little astray. This guy is so narcissistic, so lacking in empathy, and is almost totally void of legitimate self-awareness.
The fact that Cassie stayed behind because she had made a commitment to watch the animals says so much about her. They used her love of animals and bravery as tools in their pathetic little arsenal. What a couple of losers.
@@gregorykarpukhin2592wow that’s really insensitive. I watch a lot of true crime and I’ve never thought about it in terms of people getting killed so that I have something to watch
2:07 "I would love to experience life in society again, and it sucks that i lost everything, and i hate that someone had to lose their life" The first thing he said, and nobody HAD to lose their life. Already, i sense bs
Yeah Cassie just "lost her life" like that, oops gone, no one provoked that loss of life whatsoever, especially not Brian and Torey huh. 🙄 He's a coward.
He would love to experience life in society again 🤦🏼♂️LOL whose fault is that Brian? He can’t directly say he truly regrets ever murdering her and that says so much about how callous, cold hearted and immoral and narcissistic he truly is. No wonder he thought Torey understood him well. He’s worse then he is by the way. They may not have their freedom anymore in society, but at least they will always have each other😂🤷♂️
People don't really seem to mature in jail it's like if you're 18 and you're 18 year old friend Goes to Jail and comes out at 21 everyone's 21 now and they're still stuck at 18 they want to do the same things everyone was doing when they were 18 they don't understand that things have moved on because they've been stuck in some sort of isolation
@@LanieB88 you're welcome never getting your life I would make you my friend I would take you out for meals and walks on the beach I would help give you life advice on problems you're facing at work in your romantic relationships or even just family dynamic issues you are facing eventually I'll give you sound financially investment advice allowing you to retire 15 years earlier than you have previously planned respect me
As someone who has had their sister murdered as well, I understand the pain expressed by her brother. This man’s lack of genuine remorse for her death just proves that he’s exactly where he deserves to be. Just because you’ve grown in years doesn’t mean you’ve grown in empathy or respect for human life. My prayers are with her family and his.
It is disgusting how this killer still feels no remorse for his actions after 17 years have passed, and only can think of himself. He is narcissistic psychopath, so sickening. Rest in peace to the poor soul, Cassie, who lost her life in a horrifying way because of these monsters.
He realised that it was wrong, not everyone can feel remorse. Not his fault that he can't force himself. He could've lied about being remorseful, but he didn't.
@@ddaehyun2 He knew in advance murder is wrong even before being sentenced to prison and was still motivated to go through with this with Torey. These sociopathic buffoons just didn’t expect to get caught and then serve a serious max punishment for the rest of their sociopathic narcissistic lives 🤭hehehehehe 🤦🏼♂️
@@ddaehyun2 Doubt that. He’s only remorseful because he and Torey got caught and are never gonna get out of the house of hell (prison) they had plenty of time to reconsider killing Cassie and the serious consequences that would result if they carry this out, but still went ahead doing it. They’ve been around long enough to understand the difference between right and wrong
Him saying "I don't personally watch true crime, I don't understand the whole thing." really upset me. He spent time researching Columbine + wanted to emulate the movie Scream....This is someone who cannot be helped. To be that self involved and not be self aware at all is unfortunate and stupid almost.
He also made that comment “thank you for indulging me” regarding making this informative and educational, though it likely “won’t be.” Passive aggressive statements. Interesting.
It makes me feel safer and less scared when I see many comments like this. I am glad that people can see him through and understand that he is where he belongs. He is full of sympathy and tender feeling for himself. Disgusting.
@@degengam2781 huh? what does the black community have anything to do with this and why are you comparing that to a murderer? genuinely confused what point you're trying to make here. also the fact that you're just assuming a random person eats meat so you can call them a murderer. you need therapy
He made threats in junior high to do a school shooting. That was prior to him meeting Torey. He blamed Torey that meeting him was his biggest regret but he was already violent before Torey. Amazing video and hope y'all are able to get more follow up interviews with these types of individuals.
Well, prison isn't the MOST nurturing environment... ...at least not in the United States. I bet foreign prisons could have rehabilitated Draper and helped him become a positive member of society. US prisons don't give people the opportunity to change when people are constantly concerned for their personal safety.
I just cannot fathom how anyone, especially teenagers, could commit such a heinous act so coldly and callously even celebrating it. It’s just beyond my capacity to understand
Oh yeah, I was strictly raised to understand the meaning of morality and that bad choices always has consequences that come with them. And most importantly, freedom is everything
I thought this would go totally different than it did . He seemed to have no remorse for Cassie or take any personal responsibility. He also seems to think he was a little kid when he killed her. Dude you were almost out of high school …. Great job to EWU . You all put so much effort into this and it’s much appreciated !!!
You must've not followed the story before. It was clear HE was the sociopath/psychopath/antisocial in the duo and Brian went along. Brian seemed on the ASD spectrum.
Despite being 17 years older and being able to use different word, phrasing things like an adult... His mind is still that of a teenager. It is all "me, me me" and indirectly blaming others. It is of course a coping mechanism to be able to live with yourself after doing something so horrendous, but it does not paint him in a sympathetic light in anyway. All this interview is telling me is that he is exactly where he should be.
Yeah, but you don't have the raw tapes. None of us know how the interview actually went, we are only given a heavily edited final product created to earn monetized clicks.
Wow...I wasn't expecting an update to this one. It's crazy you got an interview with one of them. Kudos for willing to go to that extra mile for your content, it always shows.
@@bigbandsnbeon it's exactly what he meant. he believes he needed to go through that experience (from crime to p;unishment) to become the 'man' he is today. which he believes is a better, more evolved human. it's his disorder speaking. he still views the entire experience as something that "happened to him'. seems he views his life before becoming a murderer as something that 'happened to him' as well.
@@bigbandsnbeonyou need to wake up to what narcissistic behaviour is before A. You miss it in someone else and pay the price. B. You are/become one as you cannot distinguish what most of us can.
@@bigduphusaj162 that is how you three are interpreting it. but he continues to state that kids need to be helped or help themselves before they do what he did. which implies he would do the same. which implies that he does not believe it what was needed to happen but that it was what caused him to change. his lack of vocabulary to articulate this is what’s causing you to think he would still do it again to become who he is now. i do not believe that. that seems like a very black and white way of looking at it to me.
@@EmmaBadOne your putting words in his mouth. i never heard anything about being an evolved human. we’re all evolving humans. some of us do things that are more extreme no matter the age. and for what he did he belongs in prison forever. but i don’t think he believes he would do it again. you guys are making it seem like he’s saying what he did was okay to be become who he is. but he’s absolutely right. our past determines who we are and who we will become. so what are you guys saying exactly?
the fact that EWU throughout the interview, still questioned his intentions and phrasing, and not playing into the “child who made a mistake” facade is amazing. bravo, i’m so tired of seeing interviews with people who took a life, which portrays the killers as “traumatized souls who changed”.
All i hear is he says "at the end of my life i could say, hey man i did something horrible when i was 16 but i tried as hard as i could for as long as i could to live a goos life." Hes still more concerned about HIM, and what he can tell others about HIMSELF, and about HIM living a "good life" and HIM having something to say at the end. He shows no remorse for her. That she has no life anymore or any legacy. He doesnt even care to say "i tried as hard as i could to make up for it" which is harsh but at least would show effort. He shows zero effort.
He has spent all these years making a list of all the reasons he shouldn't feel bad about what he did. His fake remorse in the initial interrogation is just the first of a series of lies that Bryan tells other people and himself in order to distance himself from the crime. He still depersonalizes Cassie, calling her "my victim." In 16 years he has gotten no closer to actually understanding the gravity of what he did. How disappointing.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 I think he's a psychopath too. The more i think about it and what he's done, how he talks about things. The more i think he is just a psychopath and that he can't comprehend things like a normal person should or would. People like that can probably be helped to an extent, but idk if they will ever be able to think like someone who isn't a psychopath. Therefore he should be separated and locked from normal society.
@@Rainingsandstone He seems to think he'd be fine out in society. He seems to know all the right things to say, but I hope they never let him out. I feel like if he was truly remorseful for what he'd done, I'd have more inclination to give him a second chance. I think I look for redemption stories because I don't want to believe that any human being could be so blase about ending another human. Her brother is clearly still mourning every day and Draper sits there saying, "I was a kid. Movies made me do it. I should get another chance at life." But he shouldn't because Cassie won't.
Not at all, he's very eloquent and clearly intelligent, he's just trying to make the best of his life and has come to turn with his fate, clearly he wouldn't have done this if he wasn't socially alienated. I feel bad for him, Torey on the other hand is a good example of what you just said. I feel bad for Brain.
@@keidwyn I agree, when I was 17 years old I spent 2 years of my life incarcerated fighting my case, looking at a maximum 28 year sentence. To know that your life is probably over and to hold yourself mentally responsible for what you've done at such a young age and to accept for fate takes incredible intelligence and mental strength. Anyone that shits on Bryan after all he says shows me they're emotionally immature, probably still kids themselves.
@@Humblemogger I think there are a huge amount of people who have lived relatively normal lives and never made any really bad decisions that end up with police involved ,I was in care since a baby and at 13 I was dared to scare a woman in a toilet block ,I feel a lot of remorse and shock when I think back to how I did it without any feeling for the person but I was in a lot of emotional pain and with none of my needs being met I wasn't able to feel much for others ,I was basically in survival mode ,Its quite easy for people to judge what they down know and I also think it helps them feel good to point fingers ,it gives them a sense of satisfaction , a kind o f Look how bad they are !!! Im so much better than them .OF course I agree when its warranted but this kid I think is genuine and very remorseful ,I too am impressed with his ability to have achieved maturity and is evidently self aware which cant be a easy thing to achieve whilst inside .
It’s so wild that after 17 years behind bars, he still can’t accept responsibility for his actions. He’s lying to make himself look better and to absolve himself of culpability. I’m not a licensed psychologist, so therefore I don’t have the skills or tools to diagnose Brian, but he is exhibiting a LOT of narcissistic tendencies and behavior that I’ve personally seen from other people that have NPD. Even though he was the one to actually kill Cassie, he seems to blame everything on either Torey, his parents, his peers, anyone or anything that isn’t himself. I’d love to hear Dr. Berry’s thoughts on this interview, I want to know what’s going on inside his head.
@@bigbandsnbeon Also, what the hell are you talking about in general lmao I was offering an opinion based on the characteristics he has and the different ways he was avoiding accountability. I’m quite literally saying he’s trying to absolve himself from his crime by blaming others. I’m not saying he did so successfully. Literally what are you going on about lol
@@sad.jackfr00t he just said he may have not committed the crime had he never met tory. and they asked him that question. he wasn’t trying to do anything but help people understand why he did what he did. sure. he can just say “i killed her and no one made me do it” but we don’t need to hear that. we know that. so offering information about the dynamics between two people is more effective in my opinion. i’m not sure what your wanting from him. he knows what he did was wrong and explains that in detail. your just saying he’s trying to get something out of this. he said he doesn’t know whether or not he should be reevaluated and i think that’s an honorable statement.
@@bigbandsnbeon well, you obviously don’t know a whole lot about mental illness or psychology. There’s nothing more I can say to explain that to you other than re-read my comment and rewatch the video with it in mind. He’s being manipulative with his wording. He said a whole lot more than just he might not have committed the crime if he hadn’t met Tory. He never expressed remorse for killing Cassie, and he never says her name. He calls her by “MY victim.” He’s blaming teachers and peers and his own parents for not seeing the “red flags” when, realistically, he’s the one responsible for committing the crime. No one else is responsible for HIS actions or HIS behavior. Never in this interview does he say “I’m so sorry for killing Cassie, and I’m sorry how my actions have infinitely impacted her family/friends and the community.” THAT is an honorable statement, not his bullshit excuses and attempts at manipulation.
Thank you so much for taking the time to interview him. A theme of these comments show that he has not really grown since the time of the time of the crime, and I couldn’t agree more. It’s sociopathic it is narcissistic and heartless… his true colours are shining through, and those are he has no remorse, and that he is trying to explain his own experience… rather than being so sick with guilt… or thinking about somebody else’s perspective like their family’s.. I wish you could’ve gotten an interview from torey as well !
We like to think murderers are so sick with guilt but they rarely are. The fact that these two could commit such a heinous murder tells you all you need to know about who they are.
It's honestly so sad that almost 20 years after this, he doesn't seem remorseful at all. He spent the entire video blaming everyone else, his dad, his friends (for not reporting him), other killers for influencing him and most importantly he is trying so hard to blame EVERYTHING on Torey. It's very obvious he only agreed to this interview to plead his case and make it seem like he deserves to be let out because he's changed and it was not his fault. How can 17 years in prison have no effect on you? Very sad
All I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses😑 "I did a terrible thing when I was 16"....YOU KILLED SOMEONE!! That's not just "a terrible thing"... I really hope he never gets out.
Sorry, but he never said he didn't deserve what he got. He never tried to excuse himself, instead, he was trying to find answers to the question of why he did what he did. It's far from me to defend him but between the two killers he is the only one who has shown any remorse or human emotion. Just check the documentary thta was filmed with them among other teenage killers.
@@Orchidrise75 and I’m sorry, you would fall for the manipulation of a psychopath as it seems you’re not seeing through his language even when explained in the video. He distances himself a LOT from his actions when he discusses it. There’s so much passive in his description as if it was just happening all around him and he just joined in. Yes he throws a bone and admits he did it and says he wish « someone didn’t have to lose their life ». Are you really unable to see how passive this language is? A remorseful person would be harsher on themselves and speak of their actions actively and regrettably. He is trying to grasp at anything to excuse what he did while trying to appear like he understands what he did. He contextualize a very generic upbringing and watching horror movies. It is obvious throughout that he’s speaking in a way to manipulate the audience. He’s sorry for himself and focused on how he wished his life wasn’t the way it is, even if he knows it’s because of what he did he still continuously distances himself from what it actually means what he did. That Cassie will never live, that her person ceased to exists, that they brutalized her in the most horrible way. They were preying on her, they legitimately were terrifying her til they stabbed her 29 times. He is burying that as how she just lost her life and not the inhumanity they showed her and she will never breathe again. Have you seen the case before? Have you watched the video and listened to what he said? He rationalize it as just a teenage desire for fame and lack of understanding consequences. 16 yrd olds understand the consequences of killing someone, he is externalizing his psychopathy to others because he can’t understand other’s feelings. He acts like it just happened to him rather than him making the purposeful choices to get to it. He is not remorseful for anything else than being stuck in prison and having ruined his life, not for what Cassie endured and her loss of life.
"One of the identities i was pushed to" bro there are MILLIONS of outcasts through history but they dont get violent they get creative, philosophical, or just wiser. They dont harp a tiny violin over their loneliness.
I can't believe how absolutely amazing this channel is. They get the content that no other channel does and they go way above and beyond in the field of true crime!!! Amazing work to all of you at EWU
Listening to him I get the feeling like there's something missing from inside him, like a sense of conscience, and because it isn't there he sees the world differently and doesn't understand how bad he looks. He probably can't even understand how warped he is and will never be able to.
He is institutionalised. They have done a really good job on him. Probably an almost model prisoner. That makes life easier on everyone. He is probably treated like he has made some amazing breakthroughs and that (combined with his reading) is where he gets his sense of self from now.
the moment he referred to Cassie as 'my victim" immediately told me all that i needed to know... no remorse or apology whatsoever. rest in peace Cassie!!!
They are not allowed to use the person name and he actually shows a lot or remorse in other interviews ,I was shocked by how sorry he is ,this interview is edited a lot
Too bad hell likely isn’t real and we need to administer justice here on earth. Your God isn’t listening and it certainly isn’t exacting any justice in this world.
Him saying ‘ i dont know if we should put a child in prison for the rest of his life’ like he didnt put a girl in her grave for the rest of hers. Insane
Him saying he tried as hard as he could for as long as he could to live a good life after doing "something horrible when he was 16" is insane 🤯 How great of a life can you thrive for in prison while your victim has no chance at any kind of life. He's disgusting!!!
17 years later and still a loser. He hasnt grown at all. Everything is everyone else’s fault, and its screwed up that he sees murdering someone as a stepping stone, essentially, to figuring out life. Incredible. I hope he never gets out
Yeah he hasnt grown at all except for saying that he's remorseful for what he did, and saying what he did was stupid, and saying that he's okay with staying in prison for the rest of his life. Other than changing completely and totally from what he was at 16, he hasnt changed a bit
@@IconoclastX Exactly. Prison is the only place he belongs next to being in the ground. The analysis that he is a narcissist was for sure accurate. I remember reading once that a psychopath is very obsessive about appearances and status in whatever element pleases them. Like they will buy an insanely expensive dog for the awe and status of it, decide they want to go on vacation and cant be bothered to find a dog sitter, and come home to it dead and just shrug it off and get a new one, as an example of sorts. I think they mentioned this in the vid, but living things and people are nothing but objects to them that they can pick and choose as stepping stones to get to the place they want, and get what they want. Its a trip
What he did is unforgiveable. That said, peer pressure can lead people to do horrible things. He grew up in a cult and he let his desire for belonging blind him to what he did. When I was a teen I did horrible things to my peers because I thought it would make my friends think I was cool. I always regret how I put people down and made their lives miserable. Its unfortunate I can never fix what I did.
@@RealLifeIronMan I feel awful for tons of things that I did throughout my youth as well. Here’s the thing though brother, you and I have an overwhelming sense of regret and shame for what we have done. This man clearly does not possess the ability to do the same.
My father knew Cassie very well at the time. She was one of the sweetest people he had ever met. They both went to the same school and stayed very close friends for a while. You did not deserve this, and these bastards will rot for what they did.
See? I actually bought into Draper through watching Lost For Life. I felt he was genuinely remorseful. Once he said that it was 'a shame that somebody had to die for me to become the person I've become' I realized I'm not a trained cop, a psychiatrist or a judge. This dude is legitimately evil. Serious criminality in his genes.
He had me fooled at 1st as well. I know exactly what you are talking about. This is actually pretty shocking to me. In this interview he shows his true colors.
@@edgybarbie77 How about when he says that he was obsessed over Columbine in spite of Eric and Dylan 'not being people anymore. They're dead'. So, does that mean Cassie isn't a person anymore because she's dead? He clearly doesn't see her as a flesh and blood human being he viciously knifed to death, rather she's the catalyst for his being in prison. In short, he's remorseful that he's in prison, but had he and Torey gotten away with Cassie's murder and not been arrested, he would have gone back to his drums, parties, horror movies etc with no problem and written off the murder as a one-off thing that happened one time. I doubt he would have lost sleep over it. There was always a human side of me that felt Brian could be rehabilitated and I felt a touch of sorrow when he was crying over how much he loves his parents in LFL, but that's another thing. He doesn't say a damn thing about Cassie's mother, Cassie's father, her brother, her extended family at any point. It's like they're not real to him. We shouldn't be surprised. What kind of person gets off on the opening six minutes of Scream? Best work Drew Barrymore ever did imo, but harrowing as hell and not fun to watch. Brian Draper got off on a girl being scared like that. He can fucking die in there.
If only kids would understand lack of friends and attention in high school doesn’t mean shit. On graduation day it instantly becomes history… Kudos on getting this interview!
Yep, that's something I have consistently reminded my girls of when they were growing up and would think their lives were over if they lost a friendship at school. Once we leave high school and become adults, almost EVERYONE adapts to their own life as adults and loses touch with most friends with the addition of careers, adulthood responsibilities and building their own families.
I had friends in high school. Now I live a miserable existence of no real friends and working to live. I wish I could die but I’m too much of a coward. Life isn’t better, life just is.
This is the most restarded comment in the entire section lmao. Yeah, having a lack of true connections surely doesn't matter, lol. I'm sure being a loner is great for development and one's mental health. (Hint: it's not) My goodness, the stupidity people exude is astonishing. It will never fail to amaze me how moronic people are
It do affect your upringing. Its like saying it doesn't matter you were fat at 15y old becouse you still can hit the gym. You still can be harassed/made fun of/not talk enough with others/etc. and that will influence how you perceive life in the later stages
In the "Lost for life" documentary he does start his interview with "I met Cassie Stoddart in sophomore year...". I get that EWU doesn't want to sound like they're defending him but the constant virtue-signalling over non-issues like this for half the video is kinda annoying. This case is like "Internet True Crime 101", it's nearly two decades old and Brian has done multiple interviews already. At this point just focus on the new "information", don't bother with over-analyzing the same old stuff.
The crazy thing is, I bet he thinks he did a good job of this interview and came across well. He will spend the next 17 years trying to figure out the right thing to say and how to act no doubt. Never let him out please.
He knew growing up that killing was bad. He was taught that over and over again. He's just making excuses and he's not remorseful one bit. The fact that he might get out one day is a terrible thought. He better stay in jail for life.
Brian and Torey were sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The Idaho Supreme Court even agreed they as juvies should never be allowed out of prison because of that heinous choice they made
Somebody below said that book, "The Guilty Innocent" is disrespectful to Cassie and her family and I couldn't agree more. What they did wasn't just killing a young girl, they did it for the thrill. And that should be taken into account when deciding their punishment.
Like a sociopath this person has no idea of true feelings but can parrot words he has heard in therapy. He also just mirrors what he believes people feel when he has all empathy missing. There is no rehabilitation for this one.
this statement: "I had to learn the hardest way possible and I hate that like another person had to lose their life , but it's created a person in me that I never thought I could ever achieve" is an Odd statement to me. I'm not sure he's remorseful or fully connected with what he did.
It's making himself the main character. He doesn't care about Cassie at all, and never did. She's not real to him. He's the only one that matters, and cannot comprehend that nobody gives a shit about what he "learned" or "the person he's become".
well he is doing the opposite of self- actualization because he seems to struggle with acceptance and is not realistic. He seemed to just be saying words with no true emotional connection to them.@@junglegrawlix
My brother and I grew up with both parents working, making our own meals and watching horror movies. They were fun to watch and you got to see some boobs for a split second. We never identified with the killers, but did identify with the victims, thinking we would do things differently or run a different way. These kids were just sick. Whether or not they deserve to be imprisoned is beside the point. The families deserve justice, and if that means they never get out of prison, so be it.
There's many kids that are influenced by CZcams pranksters. They straight up commit crimes because they are influenced by youtubers. All it takes is an immature group of kids to start egging each other on.
@@john_hunter_ No doubt that youtube influences people and we were all influenced to do things or dress some way. Pranks don't involve hurting people, at least not seriously. Brian, I don't understand how you could be influenced enough to think of Cassie as less than a human being, especially since she was your friend. I've been to war, been shot at and bombed, seen a kid blow himself up to kill Marines. I understand how the mind can detach itself and how you can feel less than human and I even understand how that life is cheap to some people. I can't understand detaching enough to take an innocent life. I'm no saint, but I'll pray for you.
"...Whether or not they deserve to be imprisoned is beside the point. The families deserve justice, and if that means they never get out of prison, so be it...." You mix something up here. Prisons exists for 3 reasons only. 1. Punishment 2. Decrease risk to peaceful population 3. Rehabilitation What you mean is revenge. This is not a goal in a free society.
When they asked him if there were any signs, he talked about dressing like Dylan and Eric and talking about them. Like all edgy teens didn’t do that at that time. He definitely is trying to act like someone should have stopped him. He is never going to take accountability.
@@Pen.nail.timate He is responsible for his actions, but as a society, we should also try to prevent such things from happening. The homicide rate is not the same at all in all countries. Which means something. We can't just do nothing and hope that people won't kill. There are things that we can do, and should do. When do we start?
I’m constantly blown away by just how incredible your channel is!!! Like I’ve said before, EWU is the best true crime channel on CZcams hands down! The fact that Torrey and his parents still refuse to acknowledge what Torrey has done and continue to push it all on Brian is no surprise. His mothers book is delusional and disrespectful to Cassie and her family.
I mean I like the channel too but these comments, so sycophantic, are annoying. They're just here to get the likes and the loves, not to say anything interesting or new. They pop up with every new video, like fungi.
@@kumaranvij yeah I didn't learn anything from this video that isn't already online, I guess I was expecting more. I'm not sure why ppl are so *Enthusiastically Impressed*
I'm glad you returned to this one with an update even if it is somewhat predictable and depressing. Of all your videos, this one really stuck in my mind. It's truly terrifying that there are people so desperate for attention/notoriety they are willing to kill. Well done on getting this interview and continuing to treat victims with respect.
It's crazy I was a hectic kid drugs alcohol everything and it was when I started listening to Manson and all the greats. I loved reading books on serial killers and I too was obsessed with the Columbine shootings. I see no difference between myself and these kids when I was there age but I still am the same person I still listen to Manson I still read my serial killer books and am still watching horror movies but not once in my life have I seriously thought about taking some little girl out. These two are piss weak preying on a teen female only thing worse is a child. And he don't give a shit he just wants out from the hell the other inmates are giving him for what he done cause he got to be in PC for sure. Great work EWU this was awesome
Thank you for sharing. Brian, constantly referring to himself as a kid, I found manipulative. He lost the right to be called a kid when he decided to murder Cassie. I don't hate him like he thinks because I don't know him, I hate what he did, though. He is exactly where he should be and why should he should be released to live in society? His reasoning for murdering Cassie, "to be noticed," says a lot of who he was and probably still is. I didn't hear any real remorse for killing Cassie and causing her family pain. I heard a lot of remorse for getting caught and the punishment he is now serving.
He would also "love" the opportunity to do the interview. Dude still wants to be famous. I'm so happy he's in jail because something tells me he would kill again if he got out. It's only been 17 years and he's acting like it was a different person who committed the crime when he still blames his upbringing and not who he was back then.
He keeps saying how it wasn't about being famous/making a mark but he accomplished his goal! He said briefly that he has remorse but doesn't specify what for. I'd like to think that his insights through therapy (he used a lot of buzz words) has changed his trajectory but I just don't know. I *do* think that if released, which doesn't look promising, he won't hurt anyone. It was kind of a 'folie a deux'.
@@cdes1776I tend to agree w you, I think he won't commit other crimes As Long As He Does Not Fall Under the Influence of a Black Hearted person like Torey. We have to remember that although the act was not a typical childlike crime it they were clearly just "Kids" when this happened. I hope they might one day be able to be fully rehabbed and maybe able to breathe free air again. I do think people like this should have a chance of parole (but not for Aiden F.) but at least Brian should be able to have a hope for freedom in the future. Kids growing up in jail and missing out on freedom forever should only be reserved for the most heinous of crimes. These 2 nuts fed off each other almost daring each other to outdo the other with crazy ideas and immersion into depths of depravity, while Aiden F came up with everything on his own. I think there is a difference. Well I do feel people like this who commit murder for the thrill of it at you g ages and ALL chomos if released should be monitored for 20 or more years as to living situation, friendships, Internet activities, weaponry and even random surprise visits by parole officer to evaluate the same. RIP to Cassie, her life was cut short for worst possible reason - I hope both Bri & Torey are required to pay restitution for her death of 25% of their earnings for the rest of their life IF they ever get out. The mother who wrote the book should have to forgo some portion of profits to the victim's heirs.
Wow, so interesting. He’s clear that he doesn’t have remorse and thinks this is something that just happened because he was a kid. Yes, the adolescent brain is different, but very very few decide to become murderers. He does not, and never will, have true insight into his motivations and the suffering he caused. For that, he deserves to stay where he is.
Exactly. The fact that he act like his upbringing had anything to do with it. He was a narcissist then and he's still one now. The fact that 17 years later and he's still blaming his mom is enough for me to know that the life sentence is justice.
@@jourdansarpy4935 I don't think he was blaming his family. He was giving his account of his family life because he was asked. He did say he had a good upbringing so I don't see where you are getting that he is blaming his mother. 🤨
I think a lot of people in prison who killed or did other violent crimes, especially something so disconnected from the way normal humans act and think like this, have underlying mental conditions or sociopathy. Now, there are psychopaths and sociopaths who are nonviolent of course. So it's not like "oh he was a sociopath or a narcissist, he gets a free pass." No of course not, but I guess for me I always want to try to understand what drives people to take actions like this that maybe you and me can't understand, in terms of what motivates people to cause so much trauma and harm in the world without really being able to scope what they've done in their own mind. I am someone who believes even the most heinous killer is not that one act, that human life is more uncomfortably grey areas and complex, and people can spend the remainder of their life trying to do good with what life is in front of them (even behind bars). People can actually change, at least I believe that. But this guy clearly will never grasp what he's done, the weight of it and how it's affected people related to the victim, his own family, etc. I guess I feel like at the end of the day it's not up to us to judge him, but if you were to ask me I'd say there's some mental disconnect with this guy, could be mental disorder or narcissism or idk, that was present then and is present now. Whatever it is, he really hasn't come to understand his own crimes in any meaningful way that would allow him to evolve as a person.
He acts like Cassie only existed to teach him that he shouldn’t kill others… takes no responsibility for cutting a valuable life short and destroying a family and community. I don’t think he’s learned anything.
referring to Cassie as “my victim” almost 20 years later is the most dehumanizing, disgusting thing i’ve ever heard. he is clearly still a loser like he was in high school. he still views her and her death as something that’ll give him fame or notoriety. if he perceived her as an actual human, he wouldn’t have took part in the killing in the first place. keep him locked up!!!! (also being 16 doesn’t resolve anyone of brutally stabbing another teen)
It’s crazy the mom would write a whole book about how her son was innocent and an unwilling participant when he definitely look like the leader of the group when watching their videos
It's disgusting, it's obviously biased and falacious. It's a money-grab for the publisher too. And where did the profits go? Legal defense? This is what civil lawsuits are about.
Honestly, this interview changed my perspective, when I learned about this a few years ago I thought Torrey was the mastermind, I just felt like it was him, but now I believe Brian was, he does interview, comes and basically blames everyone but himself, stays objective about his life experience and upbringing, but never shows any sympathy or genuine accountability. Maybe that is why Torrey refuses to do interviews because he understand that person he was and is.
@@eddiep4600 just because he's a sociopath doesn't mean he was the instigator. He's had a lot of time to stew in his own thoughts. I feel like regardless of whether he was the instigator or not, he'd form this idea that he was the "mastermind" because he wants to own everything he did to feel powerful.
I think something that should be mentioned is that he has probably had soooo much therapy with sooo many conversations and deep dives into his psyche and the reason for his crime, that I can kind of understand why he talked about all these influences and circumstances. He probably doesn't understand why he did it either, so he is grasping onto anything that could explain why he did it so he can make sense of it himself. Even though, as we all know, any normal person wouldn't have done this and wouldn't have to dig for a reason why.
that's a good point. It did seem like he was almost mirroring a psychoanalyst, who may also have taken that distanced third-party view of what happened, calling her "the victim" and stuff
I think there is not a day that goes by that he is not thinking about Cassie. She is the reason his life is a tiny cell, and one big endless routine. Making himself the victim and isolating himself from what really happened probably helps keep him sane. The real question is would he kill again if released ?
You hit my thoughts right on the head, ppl tend to try & reach & assume ppl are saying things for sympathy or for a different perspective on the situation, but like you said a decade of therapy & behavior specialists he’s probably sure these are the reasons he did this , explanations on how he could’ve done this. Even if he himself is trying to make himself believe it
I’ve watched the Documentary here on CZcams. The both of them have refused to take responsibility for this. Thank You for doing this. It’s been one of the Murders I’ve been most interested in the last couple years. Their brutality towards her was sickening.
@@glareicebutts1423 they operate on a different wavelength, have you seen or read Stephen King's Dreamcatcher? It's like that. Possible alien influence.
Watching the documentary on CZcams clearly qualifies you to make that diagnosis. Where did you get your degree? Just curious. The armchair psychiatrist University of CZcams documentaries?
those teens been banned to be interviewed even recording in the court. because they did the crime and wanted to continue to be famous serial killers it's amazing that EWU CREW had the opportunity to interview one of them is mind blowing, that's why u guys are my favorite channel ever in CZcams keep going well done. NOTE i love horror movies and also i love watching documentaries or interviews with serial killers, but I'm also can't step on bugs. I cannot understand how a human being can kill another human just like
He seems to be under the impression that he was just an easily influenced kid who made a mistake, but I’m sorry, many kids grew up in far, far worse circumstance and would never even consider doing anything like what he did. People like that can never live among us, and even if that were true, you completely ended one life and basically destroyed her entire families life. As a parent or sibling, a part of you dies when something like that happens. I’m certain a day hasn’t gone by since it happened where her parents haven’t thought about that horrid day.
'Everyone changes' is rich coming from him. He's living proof that no, not everyone does. He's gained some intellectual understanding of his actions, as well as picking up terms in therapy. In that way, he has 'changed'. However, his emotional state, how he relates to other people, and his inner self importance, are exactly the same. Yes, he did change in terms of learning concepts. But, none of them have actually made an impact on how he sees other people. He's still a liar, still downplays his role, still dehumanizes, still stuck in self obsession. If anything, he's more dangerous now.
I remember watching a interview about a child murderer, younger than this guy, and his interview really showed emotional growth, I believe it was Eric smith, this was a while ago, but he really took accountability and was genuinely sorry for what he did. This guy is the complete opposite
Why are they still living? They planned to end someone’s life just for the heck of it. The fact they’re still allowed to keep their lives is shattering 😔
I’m just finishing this video and my heart hurts for Cassie’s family even more. I really wish he had reached a place where he understood SHE was the victim and he wasn’t just bad… it WAS evil. 😞
Tell me you know nothing about nature vs nurture research without telling me 😂 I could pick apart your life mistakes saying “you were old enough to know it was wrong” 🙄
@@ISayNukemYou realize there are Police that sneak around and lie, yet it is okay and highly encouraged/praised. But by your logic police don’t sneak around and lie because it’s not okay 🙄
Everytime i hear a murderer talk about their situation during interviews, they almost always come off as narcissistic, selfish and even victimized. Its no wonder theyre in this predicament
Gen X latch key kid here, who looooved (still do) horror movies. Although I’m grateful that you did this interview, this guy really does deserve what he got. Is he sorry? No, he’s sorry he lost his freedom. I raised two boys, one is actually 16, so I struggle with the idea of putting kids away for life. But he just doesn’t sound sorry for his actions, just sorry for the repercussions.
Cassie Stoddart was killed on my 8th birthday. While I was celebrating with cake, presents, and friends; someone across the continent was being brutally murdered and betrayed by their friends.
He is exactly where he belongs, this interview made that 100 times CLEARER for me and I’m sure it did the same for everyone else who watched it. Once again Ewu FANTASTIC content, you guys really are the best in the business in the true crime genre
What it made clear to me is that this young man understands the impact of his choices, & is able to take responsibility. He was just a kid when these crimes occurred, and the United States Supreme Court made it unlawful to give life sentences to minors for a reason. Besides it was Tony who was the mastermind in planning & executing this entire tragedy
@@macysondheimthe first part of your comment makes it sound so light, like he just drank alcohol in public spaces or got in a fight like some teens do, this psycopath KILLED ANOTHER TEEN, that's not something you can just accept and move on, he is where he should be and I genuinely hope he never gets out.
He kind of had me until the “my victim” moment. I physically recoiled. Keep up the great work EWU!! Been watching the channel for years and can’t believe this content is still free.
It's a lose lose no matter what he says. If he says her name people would say "how dare he say her name as if he cares" at least he acknowledged she was the victim in this scenario and "my" could imply he's taking ownership and accountability or someone could say that's nefarious too like he wants control over her even in death or something. There's no winning for this guy
Brian still has that stutter when he gets nervous or put on the spot. In their interrogation video he stutters when they star really putting the pressure on him. Thank you for posting this I was wondering what happened with them after going to prison.
it’s crazy how he clearly STILL is not sorry about what he did. 17 years later. they knew exactly what they did. they planned it and wanted to kill that poor girl. RIP Cassie. her death was so unnecessary.
just have to say i watched your channel when you guys used to literally go out and explore and it is so amazing to see what you've done with the channel, it's one of the best if not thee best. cheers
Wow... this analysis of Brian draper is spot on! He's a manipulative liar and I'm really glad it's pointed out. He's a follower and tries so hard to get others to believe his version of events. Nearly 20 years later and he still can't accept the truth.
He calls murdering a person, a friend a “terrible thing” and he can’t even say her name. Trying to make it seem like his actions were a result of the way his parents raised him and the friends he kept. After all these years in jail he still has no accountability. Disgusting
I disagree. When something horrible and senseless like this happens people want to know why. He's answering questions that he is being asked by EWU. No set of circumstances could ever justify what he did but it's interesting to know what he thinks lead up to his horrendous actions. Whether or not he feels remorse, we will never know. He's had nearly two decades to process things so nothing he says is going to come across spontaneous or emotional; things one would associate with true remorse. Either way, he's where he belongs. Absolutely crazy the things people do.
What got me the most listening to this interview is that I don't hear him taking full responsibility for his part in this crime. He doesn't show repentance for what he did to Cassie and her family. He dances around it but doesn't show the remorse that I think would be there if he felt true sorrow for the barbaric actions that led to taking an innocent life. He seems to blame or attribute his actions to all kinds of influences that led him down this path while never showing deep regret for what he did. IMO, he's right where he belongs.
He takes no responsibility for his actions, and he is far from remorseful of the killing. The way he speaks and explains why he did what he did... he makes it sound like a common mistake all teenagers make, as murdering someone is normal for a teenager to do. Not to mention he keeps downplaying his actions, and lying so many times throughout the interview, trying to make it seem like he is less evil than he actually is. He has no remorse and is far from reflective and far away from being honest about his actions. He blames it on everyone else... I believe if he got out, he would commit another murder. I hope he and his friend rots in jail.
When he described being a latchkey kid with no father figure and a busy mum, he describes most of us Gen Xers who grew up the same watching horror movies. The majority of us never felt the need to murder our friends. He has no excuse.
Boom..EXACTLY
I’m a older guy and my father was working all the time when I was a kid. As an adult I too worked at least ten hour to fifteen hour days and was on call for many weekends. I know that my sons would prefer that I was home more, but they understood that I had to work. Now my sons work long hours. This is just the way things are and most kid’s experience this and should not be used as an excuse for murder.
yay society slays! amirit sisters? gotta work that wagecagey slave hours to prove being a man!
Ong I’m 20 and around 2 years ago is where my mama stopped working 3 jobs n just worked one never really got to hang or be with her never felt the need to go murder a friend or do some sick shi like he did
There are majority outcomes but everyone's experiences are not the same.
You don't have his brain. You didn't meet Torey and become friends with him. You didn't have his family.
It isn't excuses, it is his reasons.
This person is exactly where he should be because no one has made excuses for him. I for one hope he never gets out.
The fact EWU got an interview with the killer is insane, massive props!
EWU seems to always request an interview with the killer, sometimes they aren’t interested/not possible. Sometimes they’re narcissistic sociopaths who don’t mind relishing in their crimes. Thanks for all the hard work EWU
He hasn’t talked to anyone else about it they both have been trying to appeal the whole time
EWU does really have the best team on CZcams for their type of content, lawyers, journalists.
He talking to filth, nothing insane about that. No different from scraping shet off the bottom of your shoe. He killed a young girl that took him for a good friend.
agreed, this is incredible.
Brian, Cassie didn't lose her life. You took it.
He and Torey did. Yep
Thank u
He is DEFINITELY in the right place and still a dangerous guy.
What makes you say that?
@@chaoticprogress evidence?
True, he's a scumbag who still doesn't take full responsibility for murdering an innocent girl.
@@chaoticprogressthe lack of accountability is enough. He says she lost her life, instead of saying that he took her life by murdering her. He still distances himself from the act as if he doesn’t want to take responsibility for it.
Lack of accountability 17 years later is wild😂😂😂😂
Lack of psychology knowledge from people like you is wild and it makes you guys sharing your dumb opinion then thinking you are right.
I actually think they are just being honest. I think they got a lot of therapy. The first one - Brian - I think he shows lack of remorse and insight. I wonder what his biological parents were like....I would be interested in seeing if there could be a genetic component
Hence the life sentence
@@SueP-jg9vxI agree re his bio parents. I don’t think a 13 year old would have had good prenatal care. Her eggs wouldn’t have been great quality either.
Its not a lack of accountability. The guy is just answering the questions with a grown up mindset. He studders and fails to open up because age will make you see things a different way. Nobody would answer blantantly honest under these surcumstances. He did the best he could under pressure without sounding like a jackass. Thats the human thing to do
it's crazy how seemingly impossible it is for him to sympathize with his victim, and to just say "i wish i hadn't killed her".. no matter how hard these types of people try to sound normal and reasonable, they will always fail.
Agree. Its so bizzare to me as someone who has a lot of empathy to hear people talk who don't have that capability. Like he doesn't say anything about Cassie or her family its just all about him. He wishes he didn't kill her so he didn't have to be sitting in jail forever. Or he wishes he could have gotten away with it and kept killing. Sickening to hear
Not defending him but it could be hard for him to talk about it.
@@user-ht2cf5de3nAfter 17 years he should be apologetic
Well... he did murder her... I don't think murderers would tend to feel sympathy for their victim....
A very few do seem like they have real remorse. Not these guys.
As a sheriff deputy for over 15 years. I meet so many people like this. People are the scariest thing on earth. Please tell your family to be careful. Be kind and loving to all.
I was going to, then realized my family are people, so not sure what to do now
I hope your a good cop. So many corrupted officers who are sworn to protect us
@CrazyLovedOnesE right? It's a profession that attracts a lot of power hungry psychopaths.
@@tellemstevedave5559 1% cops are honest/worthy,90% cops are mindless doing what they're told, might even tear gas their own mother is caught rioting ,9 %cops are evil power hungry and corrupt
@@clarenceworley8134😂🤣
The way he contradicts himself in his own answers is actually kind of insane. You can really see how he has convinced himself that he was just a kid who was a little out of line, and it’s everyone else’s fault that he couldn’t be stopped. Nuts.
150 percent agreed. I don't believe in the 'poor me' circumstantial environmental bullshit for one second.
i still blame myself for “acting up” and getting bad grades in high school for pretty much the same reasons he committed literal murder lol, some people can’t be helped
Exactly! He and Torey knew far too well that murder is an ENORMOUS felony that has CONSEQUENCES that comes with it and had PLENTY of time to reconsider murdering Cassie and still went ahead with it. You reap what you sow you buffoons🤷♂️
Sounds like democrats; here are some of the democrat highlights abou the Americans who wont submit to what the dems want: Youre deplorables, f you, you support dictators, you dare vote for who you want, you don't like your money being spent by the government on illegal immigrants and foreign wars, your petty concerns about your food safety and financial future disgust us.... Sure sounds like how democrats treat the people who dont do what the authoritarian left wants.
That’s what every narcissist does. Nothing is ever their own fault. It’s everyone else’s always.
I think Brian is under the impression that the way he comes off in this interview is that he has spent a lot of time thinking about his actions and that he accepts them. When in reality it is painfully clear that all his time thinking has just been spent finding any and every way to explain that it is everything/everything else's fault and not his. How is it possible to go through an interview like that and not once say anything resembling "I am sorry for what I did to Cassie and her family"
Idk maybe because nobody asked him "are you sorry for what you did". But he did say he is remorseful. Is saying "im sorry for doing xyz" the only way you can be sorry for something? You can not like him(and i dont either) but dont lie. He's obviously matured and knows what he did was wrong.
@@IconoclastXI 100% agree with this he sounds like he’s come to terms with what has happened and is remorseful it’s just a disconnect because everyone watching is expecting him to apologize and be on that when he himself has been through that stage.
@@Swerv0.he’s a sociopath. I don’t think you understand that he can’t change that. It’s a part of his personality.
How do you know he isn’t sorry when nobody even bothered to ask..? Besides it was Tony who was the mastermind behind this
Maybe he did and EWU cut it? Maybe they wanted him to look like a remorseless killer because that gets more views?
This case was horrifying! They toyed with her, hid in the basement & flicked lights on and off to make her really scared, then they both chased her and viciously killed her with a knife…
He will never be let out. This was their friend that they terrorized & killed.
He said ..”sorry that someone had to die” in order for him to mature was rather chilling
I can only imagine how completely and utterly terrified she was before these monsters ended her life -- the way she went was absolutely brutal.
no such thing as friends
Yep. A sadistic sociopath.
It wasn't that Long Ago, but today in 2024 you see it much more & worse. The Next Breaking News for Internet Fame.
Sick
It’s so wild how you can tell that he’s spent all this time doing incredible mental gymnastics trying to analyze why he did what he did, and that he truly believes he’s just a kid who went a little astray. This guy is so narcissistic, so lacking in empathy, and is almost totally void of legitimate self-awareness.
Well that’s what is so important to narcissistic people. Believing nothing is ever their fault because they’re immune to wrongdoing lol🤷🏼♂️
“Those people are amateurs compared to what we’re gonna be.” - the kids who filmed their own confession.
The fact that Cassie stayed behind because she had made a commitment to watch the animals says so much about her. They used her love of animals and bravery as tools in their pathetic little arsenal. What a couple of losers.
Yeah I agree it's sad they were so dumb that they got caught instantly. We have less content to watch now.
@@gregorykarpukhin2592wow that’s really insensitive. I watch a lot of true crime and I’ve never thought about it in terms of people getting killed so that I have something to watch
@@gregorykarpukhin2592 freak. Troll.
@@gregorykarpukhin2592you’re a walking red flag huh?
@@gregorykarpukhin2592💩🤡 Loser
2:07 "I would love to experience life in society again, and it sucks that i lost everything, and i hate that someone had to lose their life"
The first thing he said, and nobody HAD to lose their life. Already, i sense bs
sociopath
@@spongebobd yep nothing but excuses and deflection
@@spongebobdOh,yeah.💯
Yeah Cassie just "lost her life" like that, oops gone, no one provoked that loss of life whatsoever, especially not Brian and Torey huh. 🙄 He's a coward.
He would love to experience life in society again 🤦🏼♂️LOL whose fault is that Brian?
He can’t directly say he truly regrets ever murdering her and that says so much about how callous, cold hearted and immoral and narcissistic he truly is.
No wonder he thought Torey understood him well. He’s worse then he is by the way. They may not have their freedom anymore in society, but at least they will always have each other😂🤷♂️
Every time someone says "child" about some older teenager to excuse their heinous behavior, I cannot roll my eyes hard enough
Meh
yeah, as if 16 year olds dont know better than to commit murder
Teenagers are sooo unpredictable
Yet teenagers are still children..until they are adults
It makes me wonder what abusive background you come from
This happened in my hometown and it’s something our community will never forget. We will forever and always remember Cassie ❤
He still sounds so much like his police interviews. He hasn’t matured. It’s super creepy listening to him. An interview well done, EWU.
People don't really seem to mature in jail it's like if you're 18 and you're 18 year old friend Goes to Jail and comes out at 21 everyone's 21 now and they're still stuck at 18 they want to do the same things everyone was doing when they were 18 they don't understand that things have moved on because they've been stuck in some sort of isolation
Yeah he’s very stunted.
if youre curious, him and torey are in a documentary called lost for life that was filmed in 2012 i believe. compared to torey he seems more mature.
Ya don’t say, Rick. Thanks for that brilliant deduction there bud.
@@LanieB88 you're welcome never getting your life I would make you my friend I would take you out for meals and walks on the beach I would help give you life advice on problems you're facing at work in your romantic relationships or even just family dynamic issues you are facing eventually I'll give you sound financially investment advice allowing you to retire 15 years earlier than you have previously planned respect me
As someone who has had their sister murdered as well, I understand the pain expressed by her brother. This man’s lack of genuine remorse for her death just proves that he’s exactly where he deserves to be. Just because you’ve grown in years doesn’t mean you’ve grown in empathy or respect for human life. My prayers are with her family and his.
Ill be praying for ur family sweetheart ❤
@@EmaAllen thank you for your prayers 🙏🏻
Jeez, I'm sorry to hear that.
He’s evil and I’m sorry for your loss
Yeah, he's so self-centered. He just talks matter-of-fact.
It is disgusting how this killer still feels no remorse for his actions after 17 years have passed, and only can think of himself. He is narcissistic psychopath, so sickening. Rest in peace to the poor soul, Cassie, who lost her life in a horrifying way because of these monsters.
He realised that it was wrong, not everyone can feel remorse. Not his fault that he can't force himself. He could've lied about being remorseful, but he didn't.
Do you think he chose to be a narcissistic psychopath?
What do you expect? That’s how all narcissists think. They expect the world to revolve around what they want and believe in.
@@ddaehyun2 He knew in advance murder is wrong even before being sentenced to prison and was still motivated to go through with this with Torey.
These sociopathic buffoons just didn’t expect to get caught and then serve a serious max punishment for the rest of their sociopathic narcissistic lives 🤭hehehehehe 🤦🏼♂️
@@ddaehyun2 Doubt that. He’s only remorseful because he and Torey got caught and are never gonna get out of the house of hell (prison) they had plenty of time to reconsider killing Cassie and the serious consequences that would result if they carry this out, but still went ahead doing it.
They’ve been around long enough to understand the difference between right and wrong
Him saying "I don't personally watch true crime, I don't understand the whole thing." really upset me. He spent time researching Columbine + wanted to emulate the movie Scream....This is someone who cannot be helped. To be that self involved and not be self aware at all is unfortunate and stupid almost.
He also made that comment “thank you for indulging me” regarding making this informative and educational, though it likely “won’t be.” Passive aggressive statements. Interesting.
It makes me feel safer and less scared when I see many comments like this. I am glad that people can see him through and understand that he is where he belongs. He is full of sympathy and tender feeling for himself. Disgusting.
Seriously. What a sicko. I know too many people like this.
As a teacher, his emotional maturity seems more like that of a 12 yr old. I wonder if he was educationally challenged too.
@@degengam2781 huh? what does the black community have anything to do with this and why are you comparing that to a murderer? genuinely confused what point you're trying to make here. also the fact that you're just assuming a random person eats meat so you can call them a murderer. you need therapy
He made threats in junior high to do a school shooting. That was prior to him meeting Torey. He blamed Torey that meeting him was his biggest regret but he was already violent before Torey.
Amazing video and hope y'all are able to get more follow up interviews with these types of individuals.
I didn’t even connect the dots that he changed schools after the threat, so he couldn’t have done it with Torey
Well They both stabbed a girl to death. Doesn't matter who said what.
And give more murderers and rapists a platform to spew nonsense to 1,000,000+ people without taking any accountability?
@@GirlJay67 It does when he's claiming torey is the reason why he did it
its just incredible and ridiculous that someone decides to throw their whole life away like this
"I hate that another person had to lose their life BUT it created a person in me that I never thought I could ever achieve."
That made me cringe so hard. Ick.
Pathetic. Still doesn't feel bad about it. Hope he has an awful time in prison forever.
poor girl lost her future to these two violent idiots 😔
And I wonder what kind of "person in him" this created. Now he can enjoy its company in prison.
Fake empathy. Doesn't understand human emotions. Don't let him out.
He still talks like a teenager. He hasn’t matured at all.
Well, prison isn't the MOST nurturing environment...
...at least not in the United States. I bet foreign prisons could have rehabilitated Draper and helped him become a positive member of society. US prisons don't give people the opportunity to change when people are constantly concerned for their personal safety.
I just cannot fathom how anyone, especially teenagers, could commit such a heinous act so coldly and callously even celebrating it. It’s just beyond my capacity to understand
Amen , I was raised life is precious and to love others as you want to be loved.
Oh yeah, I was strictly raised to understand the meaning of morality and that bad choices always has consequences that come with them.
And most importantly, freedom is everything
I thought this would go totally different than it did . He seemed to have no remorse for Cassie or take any personal responsibility. He also seems to think he was a little kid when he killed her. Dude you were almost out of high school …. Great job to EWU . You all put so much effort into this and it’s much appreciated !!!
Facts he still seems like a kid
@@rolofox1046Yes, emotionally. He has clearly not matured in prison.
they aren't genx
You must've not followed the story before. It was clear HE was the sociopath/psychopath/antisocial in the duo and Brian went along. Brian seemed on the ASD spectrum.
Idk, he seems pretty developmentally delayed still, 16 year old is still a stupid child in many cases, but especially when you're on the spectrum.
Despite being 17 years older and being able to use different word, phrasing things like an adult... His mind is still that of a teenager. It is all "me, me me" and indirectly blaming others. It is of course a coping mechanism to be able to live with yourself after doing something so horrendous, but it does not paint him in a sympathetic light in anyway. All this interview is telling me is that he is exactly where he should be.
Arrested development.. no pun intended lol
Yeah, but you don't have the raw tapes. None of us know how the interview actually went, we are only given a heavily edited final product created to earn monetized clicks.
@@Bridge_with_a_Tabsolutely correct. Good pun, too😂
@@jacobpitts211 yikes... get help.
That's prison though. A place full of overgrown children. Its hard for someone to actually 'grow up' in there.
Imagine only having 2 friends and deciding to end their lives, how lucky they one other person was to not be there. Insane
If he's ever up for parole and claiming he takes full responsibility, let's make sure the board sees this.
Can’t see him getting paroled, I’m sure everyone around him sees what we see
Wow...I wasn't expecting an update to this one. It's crazy you got an interview with one of them. Kudos for willing to go to that extra mile for your content, it always shows.
Theyre dipshits
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It's really not that crazy that he gave an interview seeing that there's 😂an entire documentary that they both participated in like 5 years ago.
@@JohnnyOla511 They weren't commenting on him giving an interview - their exclamation was for EWU being the one to get it.
I’m
the fact that he sees his part in Cassie’s murder as basically a necessary evil to become who he is now is sick
I dont think your right, sure he worded it in that way but, but I dont think that's what he means
@@bigbandsnbeon it's exactly what he meant. he believes he needed to go through that experience (from crime to p;unishment) to become the 'man' he is today. which he believes is a better, more evolved human. it's his disorder speaking. he still views the entire experience as something that "happened to him'. seems he views his life before becoming a murderer as something that 'happened to him' as well.
@@bigbandsnbeonyou need to wake up to what narcissistic behaviour is before A. You miss it in someone else and pay the price. B. You are/become one as you cannot distinguish what most of us can.
@@bigduphusaj162 that is how you three are interpreting it. but he continues to state that kids need to be helped or help themselves before they do what he did. which implies he would do the same. which implies that he does not believe it what was needed to happen but that it was what caused him to change. his lack of vocabulary to articulate this is what’s causing you to think he would still do it again to become who he is now. i do not believe that. that seems like a very black and white way of looking at it to me.
@@EmmaBadOne your putting words in his mouth. i never heard anything about being an evolved human. we’re all evolving humans. some of us do things that are more extreme no matter the age. and for what he did he belongs in prison forever. but i don’t think he believes he would do it again. you guys are making it seem like he’s saying what he did was okay to be become who he is. but he’s absolutely right. our past determines who we are and who we will become. so what are you guys saying exactly?
the fact that EWU throughout the interview, still questioned his intentions and phrasing, and not playing into the “child who made a mistake” facade is amazing. bravo, i’m so tired of seeing interviews with people who took a life, which portrays the killers as “traumatized souls who changed”.
All i hear is he says "at the end of my life i could say, hey man i did something horrible when i was 16 but i tried as hard as i could for as long as i could to live a goos life."
Hes still more concerned about HIM, and what he can tell others about HIMSELF, and about HIM living a "good life" and HIM having something to say at the end.
He shows no remorse for her. That she has no life anymore or any legacy. He doesnt even care to say "i tried as hard as i could to make up for it" which is harsh but at least would show effort. He shows zero effort.
He has spent all these years making a list of all the reasons he shouldn't feel bad about what he did. His fake remorse in the initial interrogation is just the first of a series of lies that Bryan tells other people and himself in order to distance himself from the crime. He still depersonalizes Cassie, calling her "my victim." In 16 years he has gotten no closer to actually understanding the gravity of what he did. How disappointing.
He clearly cant comprehend it, his brain doesn't work that way. He feels zero remorse and never will. He's a psychopath.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 I think he's a psychopath too. The more i think about it and what he's done, how he talks about things. The more i think he is just a psychopath and that he can't comprehend things like a normal person should or would. People like that can probably be helped to an extent, but idk if they will ever be able to think like someone who isn't a psychopath. Therefore he should be separated and locked from normal society.
Exactly. Why do we want a redemption ark?
@@Rainingsandstone He seems to think he'd be fine out in society. He seems to know all the right things to say, but I hope they never let him out. I feel like if he was truly remorseful for what he'd done, I'd have more inclination to give him a second chance. I think I look for redemption stories because I don't want to believe that any human being could be so blase about ending another human. Her brother is clearly still mourning every day and Draper sits there saying, "I was a kid. Movies made me do it. I should get another chance at life." But he shouldn't because Cassie won't.
People have done way worse and got way less time I just saw a show dude killed 2 people and got 15 years
man, this is probably the best definition of 'lost cause' i've ever seen. guy is still minimizing his actions. it chills the blood.
Not at all, he's very eloquent and clearly intelligent, he's just trying to make the best of his life and has come to turn with his fate, clearly he wouldn't have done this if he wasn't socially alienated. I feel bad for him, Torey on the other hand is a good example of what you just said. I feel bad for Brain.
@@Humblemogger yikes are you gullible... get some help
@@Humblemogger Your actually right his other interviews show how clearly remorseful he is and he is so shocked that Torey isn't .
@@keidwyn I agree, when I was 17 years old I spent 2 years of my life incarcerated fighting my case, looking at a maximum 28 year sentence. To know that your life is probably over and to hold yourself mentally responsible for what you've done at such a young age and to accept for fate takes incredible intelligence and mental strength. Anyone that shits on Bryan after all he says shows me they're emotionally immature, probably still kids themselves.
@@Humblemogger I think there are a huge amount of people who have lived relatively normal lives and never made any really bad decisions that end up with police involved ,I was in care since a baby and at 13 I was dared to scare a woman in a toilet block ,I feel a lot of remorse and shock when I think back to how I did it without any feeling for the person but I was in a lot of emotional pain and with none of my needs being met I wasn't able to feel much for others ,I was basically in survival mode ,Its quite easy for people to judge what they down know and I also think it helps them feel good to point fingers ,it gives them a sense of satisfaction , a kind o f Look how bad they are !!! Im so much better than them .OF course I agree when its warranted but this kid I think is genuine and very remorseful ,I too am impressed with his ability to have achieved maturity and is evidently self aware which cant be a easy thing to achieve whilst inside .
It’s so wild that after 17 years behind bars, he still can’t accept responsibility for his actions. He’s lying to make himself look better and to absolve himself of culpability. I’m not a licensed psychologist, so therefore I don’t have the skills or tools to diagnose Brian, but he is exhibiting a LOT of narcissistic tendencies and behavior that I’ve personally seen from other people that have NPD. Even though he was the one to actually kill Cassie, he seems to blame everything on either Torey, his parents, his peers, anyone or anything that isn’t himself. I’d love to hear Dr. Berry’s thoughts on this interview, I want to know what’s going on inside his head.
I dont think your right, sure he belongs in prison forever, but your just saying bull shit, how did he absolve himself from the crime?
@@bigbandsnbeon When did I say that anything about him absolves him of his crime?
@@bigbandsnbeon Also, what the hell are you talking about in general lmao I was offering an opinion based on the characteristics he has and the different ways he was avoiding accountability. I’m quite literally saying he’s trying to absolve himself from his crime by blaming others. I’m not saying he did so successfully. Literally what are you going on about lol
@@sad.jackfr00t he just said he may have not committed the crime had he never met tory. and they asked him that question. he wasn’t trying to do anything but help people understand why he did what he did. sure. he can just say “i killed her and no one made me do it” but we don’t need to hear that. we know that. so offering information about the dynamics between two people is more effective in my opinion. i’m not sure what your wanting from him. he knows what he did was wrong and explains that in detail. your just saying he’s trying to get something out of this. he said he doesn’t know whether or not he should be reevaluated and i think that’s an honorable statement.
@@bigbandsnbeon well, you obviously don’t know a whole lot about mental illness or psychology. There’s nothing more I can say to explain that to you other than re-read my comment and rewatch the video with it in mind. He’s being manipulative with his wording. He said a whole lot more than just he might not have committed the crime if he hadn’t met Tory. He never expressed remorse for killing Cassie, and he never says her name. He calls her by “MY victim.” He’s blaming teachers and peers and his own parents for not seeing the “red flags” when, realistically, he’s the one responsible for committing the crime. No one else is responsible for HIS actions or HIS behavior. Never in this interview does he say “I’m so sorry for killing Cassie, and I’m sorry how my actions have infinitely impacted her family/friends and the community.” THAT is an honorable statement, not his bullshit excuses and attempts at manipulation.
Thank you so much for taking the time to interview him. A theme of these comments show that he has not really grown since the time of the time of the crime, and I couldn’t agree more. It’s sociopathic it is narcissistic and heartless… his true colours are shining through, and those are he has no remorse, and that he is trying to explain his own experience… rather than being so sick with guilt… or thinking about somebody else’s perspective like their family’s.. I wish you could’ve gotten an interview from torey as well !
We like to think murderers are so sick with guilt but they rarely are. The fact that these two could commit such a heinous murder tells you all you need to know about who they are.
It's honestly so sad that almost 20 years after this, he doesn't seem remorseful at all. He spent the entire video blaming everyone else, his dad, his friends (for not reporting him), other killers for influencing him and most importantly he is trying so hard to blame EVERYTHING on Torey. It's very obvious he only agreed to this interview to plead his case and make it seem like he deserves to be let out because he's changed and it was not his fault. How can 17 years in prison have no effect on you? Very sad
That’s why I had to click off, feels like I’m being lied to and don’t have the patience to sit through it
Simple, psychopath or sociopath.
That`s why the judge gave him life.
Psycho/sociopaths are wired differently…permanently.
I'm glad that EWU at least called him out on all of his lies. The interview doesn't paint him in a better light.
All I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses😑
"I did a terrible thing when I was 16"....YOU KILLED SOMEONE!! That's not just "a terrible thing"...
I really hope he never gets out.
Sorry, but he never said he didn't deserve what he got. He never tried to excuse himself, instead, he was trying to find answers to the question of why he did what he did. It's far from me to defend him but between the two killers he is the only one who has shown any remorse or human emotion. Just check the documentary thta was filmed with them among other teenage killers.
@@Orchidrise75 and I’m sorry, you would fall for the manipulation of a psychopath as it seems you’re not seeing through his language even when explained in the video. He distances himself a LOT from his actions when he discusses it. There’s so much passive in his description as if it was just happening all around him and he just joined in. Yes he throws a bone and admits he did it and says he wish « someone didn’t have to lose their life ». Are you really unable to see how passive this language is? A remorseful person would be harsher on themselves and speak of their actions actively and regrettably. He is trying to grasp at anything to excuse what he did while trying to appear like he understands what he did. He contextualize a very generic upbringing and watching horror movies. It is obvious throughout that he’s speaking in a way to manipulate the audience. He’s sorry for himself and focused on how he wished his life wasn’t the way it is, even if he knows it’s because of what he did he still continuously distances himself from what it actually means what he did. That Cassie will never live, that her person ceased to exists, that they brutalized her in the most horrible way. They were preying on her, they legitimately were terrifying her til they stabbed her 29 times. He is burying that as how she just lost her life and not the inhumanity they showed her and she will never breathe again. Have you seen the case before? Have you watched the video and listened to what he said? He rationalize it as just a teenage desire for fame and lack of understanding consequences. 16 yrd olds understand the consequences of killing someone, he is externalizing his psychopathy to others because he can’t understand other’s feelings. He acts like it just happened to him rather than him making the purposeful choices to get to it. He is not remorseful for anything else than being stuck in prison and having ruined his life, not for what Cassie endured and her loss of life.
@@thisiskitta I wish I could upvote this comment several times, very well said and I agree.
@@Orchidrise75 Yikes. You should not go around announcing you're this gullible and naive lmao
@@thisiskitta Exactly!!!
"One of the identities i was pushed to" bro there are MILLIONS of outcasts through history but they dont get violent they get creative, philosophical, or just wiser. They dont harp a tiny violin over their loneliness.
I can't believe how absolutely amazing this channel is. They get the content that no other channel does and they go way above and beyond in the field of true crime!!! Amazing work to all of you at EWU
Listening to him I get the feeling like there's something missing from inside him, like a sense of conscience, and because it isn't there he sees the world differently and doesn't understand how bad he looks. He probably can't even understand how warped he is and will never be able to.
He is institutionalised. They have done a really good job on him. Probably an almost model prisoner. That makes life easier on everyone. He is probably treated like he has made some amazing breakthroughs and that (combined with his reading) is where he gets his sense of self from now.
He understands perfectly, you don't understand him.
@@mikesprigg5495 I watch these videos, because I do want to try and understand a bit, but I am so so so glad I don’t
Brian sounds totally ghey for Torey
Who gives a fuck?
the moment he referred to Cassie as 'my victim" immediately told me all that i needed to know... no remorse or apology whatsoever. rest in peace Cassie!!!
Maybe he doesn’t want to mention her name directly, could be seen as disrespectful coming from him especially
They are not allowed to use the person name and he actually shows a lot or remorse in other interviews ,I was shocked by how sorry he is ,this interview is edited a lot
"my victim"
lol
Popular girl hated quiet friends so they give her a lesson.
The proper punishment is hell. You haven't been punished yet.
Too bad hell likely isn’t real and we need to administer justice here on earth. Your God isn’t listening and it certainly isn’t exacting any justice in this world.
@@bryankm2 you'll believe when you get there
@@bryankm2found the redditor 😂😂😂
lol
@@jacobmeis1249 right bud 😂 and Jesus will come back any day now!
Him saying ‘ i dont know if we should put a child in prison for the rest of his life’ like he didnt put a girl in her grave for the rest of hers. Insane
Him saying he tried as hard as he could for as long as he could to live a good life after doing "something horrible when he was 16" is insane 🤯 How great of a life can you thrive for in prison while your victim has no chance at any kind of life. He's disgusting!!!
Proper punishment, Brian? You get out when Cassie gets out.
Well-stated
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17 years later and still a loser. He hasnt grown at all. Everything is everyone else’s fault, and its screwed up that he sees murdering someone as a stepping stone, essentially, to figuring out life. Incredible. I hope he never gets out
Yeah he hasnt grown at all except for saying that he's remorseful for what he did, and saying what he did was stupid, and saying that he's okay with staying in prison for the rest of his life. Other than changing completely and totally from what he was at 16, he hasnt changed a bit
@@IconoclastX Exactly. Prison is the only place he belongs next to being in the ground. The analysis that he is a narcissist was for sure accurate. I remember reading once that a psychopath is very obsessive about appearances and status in whatever element pleases them. Like they will buy an insanely expensive dog for the awe and status of it, decide they want to go on vacation and cant be bothered to find a dog sitter, and come home to it dead and just shrug it off and get a new one, as an example of sorts. I think they mentioned this in the vid, but living things and people are nothing but objects to them that they can pick and choose as stepping stones to get to the place they want, and get what they want. Its a trip
@@IconoclastX You were actually convinced by that interview? The only thing that guy actually regrets is getting caught.
What he did is unforgiveable. That said, peer pressure can lead people to do horrible things. He grew up in a cult and he let his desire for belonging blind him to what he did. When I was a teen I did horrible things to my peers because I thought it would make my friends think I was cool. I always regret how I put people down and made their lives miserable. Its unfortunate I can never fix what I did.
@@RealLifeIronMan
I feel awful for tons of things that I did throughout my youth as well. Here’s the thing though brother, you and I have an overwhelming sense of regret and shame for what we have done. This man clearly does not possess the ability to do the same.
My father knew Cassie very well at the time. She was one of the sweetest people he had ever met. They both went to the same school and stayed very close friends for a while. You did not deserve this, and these bastards will rot for what they did.
See? I actually bought into Draper through watching Lost For Life. I felt he was genuinely remorseful. Once he said that it was 'a shame that somebody had to die for me to become the person I've become' I realized I'm not a trained cop, a psychiatrist or a judge. This dude is legitimately evil. Serious criminality in his genes.
He had me fooled at 1st as well. I know exactly what you are talking about. This is actually pretty shocking to me. In this interview he shows his true colors.
@@edgybarbie77 How about when he says that he was obsessed over Columbine in spite of Eric and Dylan 'not being people anymore. They're dead'. So, does that mean Cassie isn't a person anymore because she's dead? He clearly doesn't see her as a flesh and blood human being he viciously knifed to death, rather she's the catalyst for his being in prison. In short, he's remorseful that he's in prison, but had he and Torey gotten away with Cassie's murder and not been arrested, he would have gone back to his drums, parties, horror movies etc with no problem and written off the murder as a one-off thing that happened one time. I doubt he would have lost sleep over it. There was always a human side of me that felt Brian could be rehabilitated and I felt a touch of sorrow when he was crying over how much he loves his parents in LFL, but that's another thing. He doesn't say a damn thing about Cassie's mother, Cassie's father, her brother, her extended family at any point. It's like they're not real to him. We shouldn't be surprised. What kind of person gets off on the opening six minutes of Scream? Best work Drew Barrymore ever did imo, but harrowing as hell and not fun to watch. Brian Draper got off on a girl being scared like that. He can fucking die in there.
*psychologist
Tbh
If only kids would understand lack of friends and attention in high school doesn’t mean shit. On graduation day it instantly becomes history… Kudos on getting this interview!
Yep, that's something I have consistently reminded my girls of when they were growing up and would think their lives were over if they lost a friendship at school. Once we leave high school and become adults, almost EVERYONE adapts to their own life as adults and loses touch with most friends with the addition of careers, adulthood responsibilities and building their own families.
Yeah kids don’t realize just how much your whole life changes after high school...
I had friends in high school. Now I live a miserable existence of no real friends and working to live. I wish I could die but I’m too much of a coward. Life isn’t better, life just is.
This is the most restarded comment in the entire section lmao. Yeah, having a lack of true connections surely doesn't matter, lol. I'm sure being a loner is great for development and one's mental health. (Hint: it's not) My goodness, the stupidity people exude is astonishing. It will never fail to amaze me how moronic people are
It do affect your upringing. Its like saying it doesn't matter you were fat at 15y old becouse you still can hit the gym.
You still can be harassed/made fun of/not talk enough with others/etc. and that will influence how you perceive life in the later stages
It's mental he still can't even say Cassies name. It's unbelievable and disgusting, really. Props to you getting an interview 👏🏻
He dod say her name at least once. But later referring to her as "my victim" was telling.
In the "Lost for life" documentary he does start his interview with "I met Cassie Stoddart in sophomore year...". I get that EWU doesn't want to sound like they're defending him but the constant virtue-signalling over non-issues like this for half the video is kinda annoying. This case is like "Internet True Crime 101", it's nearly two decades old and Brian has done multiple interviews already. At this point just focus on the new "information", don't bother with over-analyzing the same old stuff.
@cilleypilled yeah and her name is Cassie. Why you trying to dehumanize her like that?
@@Shalnn Agree
@cilleypilled Settle down, bud.
The crazy thing is, I bet he thinks he did a good job of this interview and came across well. He will spend the next 17 years trying to figure out the right thing to say and how to act no doubt.
Never let him out please.
He knew growing up that killing was bad. He was taught that over and over again. He's just making excuses and he's not remorseful one bit. The fact that he might get out one day is a terrible thought. He better stay in jail for life.
Brian and Torey were sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The Idaho Supreme Court even agreed they as juvies should never be allowed out of prison because of that heinous choice they made
Somebody below said that book, "The Guilty Innocent" is disrespectful to Cassie and her family and I couldn't agree more. What they did wasn't just killing a young girl, they did it for the thrill. And that should be taken into account when deciding their punishment.
That's my exact thoughts on the book, it just shows the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
@@maggie5386 Literally my thought. "Oh that's where he got it from"
Like a sociopath this person has no idea of true feelings but can parrot words he has heard in therapy. He also just mirrors what he believes people feel when he has all empathy missing. There is no rehabilitation for this one.
Fascinating interview. Really good insight into how he tries to rationalize and explain his actions. Kudos for getting this interview. Thank you.
Can’t believe you guys got an interview!! i love this channel so much im so happy for you guys!!
this statement: "I had to learn the hardest way possible and I hate that like another person had to lose their life , but it's created a person in me that I never thought I could ever achieve" is an Odd statement to me. I'm not sure he's remorseful or fully connected with what he did.
It's making himself the main character. He doesn't care about Cassie at all, and never did. She's not real to him. He's the only one that matters, and cannot comprehend that nobody gives a shit about what he "learned" or "the person he's become".
He’s mentally framing the entire thing as a path to his own self-actualization
well he is doing the opposite of self- actualization because he seems to struggle with acceptance and is not realistic. He seemed to just be saying words with no true emotional connection to them.@@junglegrawlix
My brother and I grew up with both parents working, making our own meals and watching horror movies. They were fun to watch and you got to see some boobs for a split second. We never identified with the killers, but did identify with the victims, thinking we would do things differently or run a different way. These kids were just sick. Whether or not they deserve to be imprisoned is beside the point. The families deserve justice, and if that means they never get out of prison, so be it.
There's many kids that are influenced by CZcams pranksters.
They straight up commit crimes because they are influenced by youtubers.
All it takes is an immature group of kids to start egging each other on.
Here's to "Boobs for a split second" 😂
@@john_hunter_ No doubt that youtube influences people and we were all influenced to do things or dress some way. Pranks don't involve hurting people, at least not seriously. Brian, I don't understand how you could be influenced enough to think of Cassie as less than a human being, especially since she was your friend. I've been to war, been shot at and bombed, seen a kid blow himself up to kill Marines. I understand how the mind can detach itself and how you can feel less than human and I even understand how that life is cheap to some people. I can't understand detaching enough to take an innocent life. I'm no saint, but I'll pray for you.
"...Whether or not they deserve to be imprisoned is beside the point. The families deserve justice, and if that means they never get out of prison, so be it...." You mix something up here. Prisons exists for 3 reasons only.
1. Punishment
2. Decrease risk to peaceful population
3. Rehabilitation
What you mean is revenge. This is not a goal in a free society.
@sierraecho884 Call it what you want lady. I call it justice. If Cassie had been my sister I would want her murderers to be locked away forever.
WOW I can't believe you got this interview. Totally epic. RIP Cass
"Everybody grows".... Cassie doesn't though does she? You robbed her of that.
Obviously; she's dead. Do you think that's a relevation anyone here didn't already know? Especially Draper?
crazy how much blame he tries to put on other people like it was on them to stop him from committing that horrible act
When they asked him if there were any signs, he talked about dressing like Dylan and Eric and talking about them. Like all edgy teens didn’t do that at that time. He definitely is trying to act like someone should have stopped him. He is never going to take accountability.
@@Pen.nail.timate He is responsible for his actions, but as a society, we should also try to prevent such things from happening. The homicide rate is not the same at all in all countries. Which means something. We can't just do nothing and hope that people won't kill. There are things that we can do, and should do. When do we start?
I’m constantly blown away by just how incredible your channel is!!! Like I’ve said before, EWU is the best true crime channel on CZcams hands down! The fact that Torrey and his parents still refuse to acknowledge what Torrey has done and continue to push it all on Brian is no surprise. His mothers book is delusional and disrespectful to Cassie and her family.
Yea best channel true facts!
"There should be no law against killing people" I wonder who taught him that...
I mean I like the channel too but these comments, so sycophantic, are annoying. They're just here to get the likes and the loves, not to say anything interesting or new. They pop up with every new video, like fungi.
@@kumaranvij yeah I didn't learn anything from this video that isn't already online, I guess I was expecting more. I'm not sure why ppl are so *Enthusiastically Impressed*
@@stephanies5478he’s talking about the comments not the video and wym it’s a whole exclusive interview with one of the murderers goofy
I'm glad you returned to this one with an update even if it is somewhat predictable and depressing. Of all your videos, this one really stuck in my mind. It's truly terrifying that there are people so desperate for attention/notoriety they are willing to kill. Well done on getting this interview and continuing to treat victims with respect.
It's crazy I was a hectic kid drugs alcohol everything and it was when I started listening to Manson and all the greats. I loved reading books on serial killers and I too was obsessed with the Columbine shootings. I see no difference between myself and these kids when I was there age but I still am the same person I still listen to Manson I still read my serial killer books and am still watching horror movies but not once in my life have I seriously thought about taking some little girl out. These two are piss weak preying on a teen female only thing worse is a child. And he don't give a shit he just wants out from the hell the other inmates are giving him for what he done cause he got to be in PC for sure. Great work EWU this was awesome
Thank you for sharing. Brian, constantly referring to himself as a kid, I found manipulative. He lost the right to be called a kid when he decided to murder Cassie. I don't hate him like he thinks because I don't know him, I hate what he did, though. He is exactly where he should be and why should he should be released to live in society? His reasoning for murdering Cassie, "to be noticed," says a lot of who he was and probably still is. I didn't hear any real remorse for killing Cassie and causing her family pain. I heard a lot of remorse for getting caught and the punishment he is now serving.
He would also "love" the opportunity to do the interview. Dude still wants to be famous. I'm so happy he's in jail because something tells me he would kill again if he got out. It's only been 17 years and he's acting like it was a different person who committed the crime when he still blames his upbringing and not who he was back then.
He keeps saying how it wasn't about being famous/making a mark but he accomplished his goal! He said briefly that he has remorse but doesn't specify what for. I'd like to think that his insights through therapy (he used a lot of buzz words) has changed his trajectory but I just don't know. I *do* think that if released, which doesn't look promising, he won't hurt anyone. It was kind of a 'folie a deux'.
@@cdes1776I tend to agree w you, I think he won't commit other crimes As Long As He Does Not Fall Under the Influence of a Black Hearted person like Torey. We have to remember that although the act was not a typical childlike crime it they were clearly just "Kids" when this happened. I hope they might one day be able to be fully rehabbed and maybe able to breathe free air again. I do think people like this should have a chance of parole (but not for Aiden F.) but at least Brian should be able to have a hope for freedom in the future. Kids growing up in jail and missing out on freedom forever should only be reserved for the most heinous of crimes. These 2 nuts fed off each other almost daring each other to outdo the other with crazy ideas and immersion into depths of depravity, while Aiden F came up with everything on his own. I think there is a difference. Well I do feel people like this who commit murder for the thrill of it at you g ages and ALL chomos if released should be monitored for 20 or more years as to living situation, friendships, Internet activities, weaponry and even random surprise visits by parole officer to evaluate the same. RIP to Cassie, her life was cut short for worst possible reason - I hope both Bri & Torey are required to pay restitution for her death of 25% of their earnings for the rest of their life IF they ever get out.
The mother who wrote the book should have to forgo some portion of profits to the victim's heirs.
Rest In Paradise Cassie 🕊🌷💞
@@beverlycharles6534 And what heinous of crimes is worse than murder?
Wow, so interesting. He’s clear that he doesn’t have remorse and thinks this is something that just happened because he was a kid. Yes, the adolescent brain is different, but very very few decide to become murderers. He does not, and never will, have true insight into his motivations and the suffering he caused. For that, he deserves to stay where he is.
Exactly. The fact that he act like his upbringing had anything to do with it. He was a narcissist then and he's still one now. The fact that 17 years later and he's still blaming his mom is enough for me to know that the life sentence is justice.
Wow upside down is mom
@@jourdansarpy4935 I don't think he was blaming his family. He was giving his account of his family life because he was asked. He did say he had a good upbringing so I don't see where you are getting that he is blaming his mother. 🤨
I think a lot of people in prison who killed or did other violent crimes, especially something so disconnected from the way normal humans act and think like this, have underlying mental conditions or sociopathy. Now, there are psychopaths and sociopaths who are nonviolent of course. So it's not like "oh he was a sociopath or a narcissist, he gets a free pass." No of course not, but I guess for me I always want to try to understand what drives people to take actions like this that maybe you and me can't understand, in terms of what motivates people to cause so much trauma and harm in the world without really being able to scope what they've done in their own mind. I am someone who believes even the most heinous killer is not that one act, that human life is more uncomfortably grey areas and complex, and people can spend the remainder of their life trying to do good with what life is in front of them (even behind bars). People can actually change, at least I believe that. But this guy clearly will never grasp what he's done, the weight of it and how it's affected people related to the victim, his own family, etc. I guess I feel like at the end of the day it's not up to us to judge him, but if you were to ask me I'd say there's some mental disconnect with this guy, could be mental disorder or narcissism or idk, that was present then and is present now. Whatever it is, he really hasn't come to understand his own crimes in any meaningful way that would allow him to evolve as a person.
@@Sweetyhidehe repeated over and over again that his parents could have done more. He's 100% blaming them.
This is dope EWU! Great job and great idea! I hope you guys interview others like this! 🤩
He acts like Cassie only existed to teach him that he shouldn’t kill others… takes no responsibility for cutting a valuable life short and destroying a family and community. I don’t think he’s learned anything.
referring to Cassie as “my victim” almost 20 years later is the most dehumanizing, disgusting thing i’ve ever heard. he is clearly still a loser like he was in high school. he still views her and her death as something that’ll give him fame or notoriety. if he perceived her as an actual human, he wouldn’t have took part in the killing in the first place. keep him locked up!!!! (also being 16 doesn’t resolve anyone of brutally stabbing another teen)
Better than to keep using her name. I think that would be more disrespectful.
@@Harry-fk5ofYup
i mean hes legit saying "my victim" lmao. pretty weird.@@Harry-fk5of
@@Harry-fk5of how so?
Absolutely, I get a serious creepy vibe from his words. This is not a remorseful person.
It’s crazy the mom would write a whole book about how her son was innocent and an unwilling participant when he definitely look like the leader of the group when watching their videos
It's disgusting, it's obviously biased and falacious. It's a money-grab for the publisher too. And where did the profits go? Legal defense? This is what civil lawsuits are about.
who’s mom? brian?
@@nagijuu Torey's
Honestly, this interview changed my perspective, when I learned about this a few years ago I thought Torrey was the mastermind, I just felt like it was him, but now I believe Brian was, he does interview, comes and basically blames everyone but himself, stays objective about his life experience and upbringing, but never shows any sympathy or genuine accountability. Maybe that is why Torrey refuses to do interviews because he understand that person he was and is.
@@eddiep4600 just because he's a sociopath doesn't mean he was the instigator. He's had a lot of time to stew in his own thoughts. I feel like regardless of whether he was the instigator or not, he'd form this idea that he was the "mastermind" because he wants to own everything he did to feel powerful.
Hes never stops lying
This channel is fantastic. Keep up the good work.
I think something that should be mentioned is that he has probably had soooo much therapy with sooo many conversations and deep dives into his psyche and the reason for his crime, that I can kind of understand why he talked about all these influences and circumstances. He probably doesn't understand why he did it either, so he is grasping onto anything that could explain why he did it so he can make sense of it himself. Even though, as we all know, any normal person wouldn't have done this and wouldn't have to dig for a reason why.
Interesting
that's a good point. It did seem like he was almost mirroring a psychoanalyst, who may also have taken that distanced third-party view of what happened, calling her "the victim" and stuff
I think there is not a day that goes by that he is not thinking about Cassie. She is the reason his life is a tiny cell, and one big endless routine. Making himself the victim and isolating himself from what really happened probably helps keep him sane. The real question is would he kill again if released ?
I agree! I think he just doesn't want to admit the obvious which I understand no one wants to admit their thoughts that they know are wrong.
You hit my thoughts right on the head, ppl tend to try & reach & assume ppl are saying things for sympathy or for a different perspective on the situation, but like you said a decade of therapy & behavior specialists he’s probably sure these are the reasons he did this , explanations on how he could’ve done this. Even if he himself is trying to make himself believe it
I’ve watched the Documentary here on CZcams. The both of them have refused to take responsibility for this. Thank You for doing this. It’s been one of the Murders I’ve been most interested in the last couple years. Their brutality towards her was sickening.
I thought Brian did? Didn't his Dad come into the police interview room? I found him on the spectrum.
@@ir9567do you have qualifications to make that diagnosis?
@@glareicebutts1423 being autistic makes it pretty easy to spot someone on the spectrum.
@@glareicebutts1423 they operate on a different wavelength, have you seen or read Stephen King's Dreamcatcher? It's like that. Possible alien influence.
Watching the documentary on CZcams clearly qualifies you to make that diagnosis. Where did you get your degree? Just curious. The armchair psychiatrist University of CZcams documentaries?
those teens been banned to be interviewed even recording in the court. because they did the crime and wanted to continue to be famous serial killers it's amazing that EWU CREW had the opportunity to interview one of them is mind blowing, that's why u guys are my favorite channel ever in CZcams keep going well done. NOTE i love horror movies and also i love watching documentaries or interviews with serial killers, but I'm also can't step on bugs. I cannot understand how a human being can kill another human just like
Hi.
This coward literally blamed everyone but himself
He seems to be under the impression that he was just an easily influenced kid who made a mistake, but I’m sorry, many kids grew up in far, far worse circumstance and would never even consider doing anything like what he did. People like that can never live among us, and even if that were true, you completely ended one life and basically destroyed her entire families life. As a parent or sibling, a part of you dies when something like that happens. I’m certain a day hasn’t gone by since it happened where her parents haven’t thought about that horrid day.
Not only did they destroy Cassie’s life, but her cousin, the 13 y/o who walked in on her body, ended up committing su$cide at age 17😢😢😢😢
A part of me died when my mom passed away I can’t imagine how much the family has been through since and feel.
@@Deeznuts-cz3csThat’s sad she spent her rest of her life only to die of cancer. 😢 I feel bad for the rest of her family as well.
'Everyone changes' is rich coming from him. He's living proof that no, not everyone does. He's gained some intellectual understanding of his actions, as well as picking up terms in therapy. In that way, he has 'changed'. However, his emotional state, how he relates to other people, and his inner self importance, are exactly the same. Yes, he did change in terms of learning concepts. But, none of them have actually made an impact on how he sees other people. He's still a liar, still downplays his role, still dehumanizes, still stuck in self obsession. If anything, he's more dangerous now.
I remember watching a interview about a child murderer, younger than this guy, and his interview really showed emotional growth, I believe it was Eric smith, this was a while ago, but he really took accountability and was genuinely sorry for what he did. This guy is the complete opposite
So glad he is kept alive and in prison. He needs to be around to witness how much he has missed. ❤
Why are they still living? They planned to end someone’s life just for the heck of it. The fact they’re still allowed to keep their lives is shattering 😔
I love your honest and unbiased interpretation of how he explained his family life.
I’m just finishing this video and my heart hurts for Cassie’s family even more. I really wish he had reached a place where he understood SHE was the victim and he wasn’t just bad… it WAS evil. 😞
The fact that he tries to blame it on his family is ridiculous. You was old enough to know it was wrong with what u did. RIP CASSIE
Omigosh ! He doesn't even say Cassie. 8:25 Refers to her as *'my victim'* 🤢
Yup he wasn't sneaking around and lying because he felt it was OKAY!
Tell me you know nothing about nature vs nurture research without telling me 😂 I could pick apart your life mistakes saying “you were old enough to know it was wrong” 🙄
@@ISayNukemYou realize there are Police that sneak around and lie, yet it is okay and highly encouraged/praised. But by your logic police don’t sneak around and lie because it’s not okay 🙄
Him blaming a movie and a lack of a father figure just shows how he is just a narc.
He kept referring to the crime he committed as when he was a "child" ... Another excuse for his evil.
Ah, yes, because the CZcams comments you wrote as a child define who you are today.
Everytime i hear a murderer talk about their situation during interviews, they almost always come off as narcissistic, selfish and even victimized. Its no wonder theyre in this predicament
Gen X latch key kid here, who looooved (still do) horror movies. Although I’m grateful that you did this interview, this guy really does deserve what he got. Is he sorry? No, he’s sorry he lost his freedom. I raised two boys, one is actually 16, so I struggle with the idea of putting kids away for life. But he just doesn’t sound sorry for his actions, just sorry for the repercussions.
EWU never fails to amaze me with how incredible these videos can be!
Massive love and thanks to the incredible EWU crew!❤
It would be interesting to hear an interview with the other guy, and listen to them back to back.
Cassie Stoddart was killed on my 8th birthday. While I was celebrating with cake, presents, and friends; someone across the continent was being brutally murdered and betrayed by their friends.
He is exactly where he belongs, this interview made that 100 times CLEARER for me and I’m sure it did the same for everyone else who watched it. Once again Ewu FANTASTIC content, you guys really are the best in the business in the true crime genre
What it made clear to me is that this young man understands the impact of his choices, & is able to take responsibility. He was just a kid when these crimes occurred, and the United States Supreme Court made it unlawful to give life sentences to minors for a reason. Besides it was Tony who was the mastermind in planning & executing this entire tragedy
This made me believe even more in death penalty and life in prison( actually for the rest of your life) than ever
cut the bullshit, he killed another kid, that kid is never going back to life.@@macysondheim
@@macysondheimthe first part of your comment makes it sound so light, like he just drank alcohol in public spaces or got in a fight like some teens do, this psycopath KILLED ANOTHER TEEN, that's not something you can just accept and move on, he is where he should be and I genuinely hope he never gets out.
@@macysondheimexactly. I can usually tell when someone is being deceptive or not but this kid just got dealt the wrong hand
He kind of had me until the “my victim” moment. I physically recoiled. Keep up the great work EWU!! Been watching the channel for years and can’t believe this content is still free.
Get your head checked please
It's a lose lose no matter what he says. If he says her name people would say "how dare he say her name as if he cares" at least he acknowledged she was the victim in this scenario and "my" could imply he's taking ownership and accountability or someone could say that's nefarious too like he wants control over her even in death or something. There's no winning for this guy
you could be a snekk in your past life
This was the case that brought me to this channel, pretty cool to see a follow up.
I gather from this interview Brian just likes the opportunity to talk about himself. He's never getting out and that makes the world a bit safer.
Brian still has that stutter when he gets nervous or put on the spot. In their interrogation video he stutters when they star really putting the pressure on him. Thank you for posting this I was wondering what happened with them after going to prison.
@@kostyatszyu Well yeah he was in school right before all this so you really said nothing new at all lol
17 years he’s had to reflect on this and still seemingly zero accountability or empathy.
it’s crazy how he clearly STILL is not sorry about what he did. 17 years later. they knew exactly what they did. they planned it and wanted to kill that poor girl. RIP Cassie. her death was so unnecessary.
just have to say i watched your channel when you guys used to literally go out and explore and it is so amazing to see what you've done with the channel, it's one of the best if not thee best. cheers
Wow... this analysis of Brian draper is spot on!
He's a manipulative liar and I'm really glad it's pointed out. He's a follower and tries so hard to get others to believe his version of events. Nearly 20 years later and he still can't accept the truth.
He calls murdering a person, a friend a “terrible thing” and he can’t even say her name. Trying to make it seem like his actions were a result of the way his parents raised him and the friends he kept. After all these years in jail he still has no accountability. Disgusting
I disagree. When something horrible and senseless like this happens people want to know why. He's answering questions that he is being asked by EWU. No set of circumstances could ever justify what he did but it's interesting to know what he thinks lead up to his horrendous actions. Whether or not he feels remorse, we will never know. He's had nearly two decades to process things so nothing he says is going to come across spontaneous or emotional; things one would associate with true remorse. Either way, he's where he belongs. Absolutely crazy the things people do.
He’s has no accountability!!! This interview wasn’t good for him at all.. he still seems immature
I agree. Not to mention him calling Cassie “my victim.” He is terrible.
What got me the most listening to this interview is that I don't hear him taking full responsibility for his part in this crime. He doesn't show repentance for what he did to Cassie and her family. He dances around it but doesn't show the remorse that I think would be there if he felt true sorrow for the barbaric actions that led to taking an innocent life. He seems to blame or attribute his actions to all kinds of influences that led him down this path while never showing deep regret for what he did. IMO, he's right where he belongs.
He takes no responsibility for his actions, and he is far from remorseful of the killing. The way he speaks and explains why he did what he did... he makes it sound like a common mistake all teenagers make, as murdering someone is normal for a teenager to do. Not to mention he keeps downplaying his actions, and lying so many times throughout the interview, trying to make it seem like he is less evil than he actually is. He has no remorse and is far from reflective and far away from being honest about his actions. He blames it on everyone else... I believe if he got out, he would commit another murder. I hope he and his friend rots in jail.