Coffee Kevin brews two different methods side-by-side using the same coffee to explain the difference in taste between the Chemex brewer and the Hario Syphon brewer.
A lot of CZcams videos conclude that the coffee produced in a Siphon is somewhat underextracted. That's because they put in the grounds after the water comes up to the upper chamber. I think the grounds should be placed in the upper chamber before the water comes up, just as the manufacturer (Hario) recommends. You get full extraction that way.
Hi Jay, Yes, you were the one. Great idea! I never mention anyone's name without their permission. If it's okay I will in the future. It was one of my favorite subjects to address. Thank you!
Thank you for your comment. The syphon is among the best designed and manufactured brewing devices. There's a reason the method itself was the reigning way to brew coffee. Warm regards, Coffee Kevin
Just purchased a syphon as my chemex went to the office, and I wanted something to make a bit more in a brew than the aeropress that I had been using. I've only ever had syphon at some restaurants and a Starbucks reserve before. In all cases it was weak to my tastes. I was hesitant to go the syphon route, but with a sale it was considerably cheaper than a good drip machine. Looking forward to experimenting with the thing.
I'm glad to hear it. I think you may find the Siphon/Syphon makes a stronger coffee than most other methods. I frequently employ the Syphon to bring forth cup strength for coffees that taste bland when otherwise brewed. Let us know how it goes. Warmly, Kevin
@@Coffeeists sounds promising. I generally like my coffee as black and strong as humanly possible before it becomes so acidic and bitter as to be undrinkable.
Enjoyed all your analysis and expertise in comparing and explaining the multiple variations of the two methods. Well done. I collect and use a variety of Italian vintage coffee makers, lever pull and mokapot. But my fave is a newer syphon. What I was wondering was how much coffee did you put in the syphon to end up with so many grinds and no mound, which usually signifies a good extraction. Keep up opening doors for new coffee lovers !
@@BoulderSuzukiStrings The syphon has never really made the comeback some of us predicted during the Specialty Coffee boom. None of the automatic new era units has really sold well. We'll make coffee with one soon that I thought might be a good seller. Hario's is extremely well made, but costly.
Taste vision I think is the words you were looking for haha hopefully in beta some where soon !!! 😂 thanks bud just got my first siphon maker today and boy I love it .
I’ve gotten into brewing better coffee what I do is ; I have a pot of boiling water on my unwave induction cook top then I use a device called the cleaver coffee driper . It’s a cone v-shape coffee brewing device like all the standard v-shape drip pour devices but what makes it different is it has a valve at the bottom. So I put a paper filter in it then the ground coffee then I pour boiling hot water in it and let it sit for a few minutes then I sit it on my cup and let the coffee drip out into my cup and add more hot water then let that stand a few seconds then place it on the cup and repeat process. The reason is my buba cup is 20oz and the capacity of the cleaver coffee driper is 18oz. So I have to over fill the cleaver coffee driper with more ground coffee then it was originally designed for. So in the end I get really hot brewed coffee. I’ve been using the cleaver coffee driper for about a year now and will not use anything else. It’s available on Amazon. There are several brands but only one cleaver coffee driper it’s trade marked . They sell for about 29.00 dollars on Amazon. I found out about from a video on CZcams about a local coffee shop/ roster in my town I live in. Get one they are awesome 👍👍👍👍👍
Hi Joel, I'm familiar with the various types of manual pourovers that each convinced at least their investors that they do something unique to improve the brew. I find that most all of them has the capability to make excellent coffee if one invests the time to learn their specific advantages and brews consistently. There is a valve on many Moccamaster automatic drip brewers that predates by some years the one on the Clever and can be similarly used and appreciated. That said, I've had some good cups prepared in the Clever. Thank you for sharing your experiences with it.
To be honest, no I don't. I feel if the water's poured, it should not be necessary. I don't feel it hurts to either. Just personal preference. I agree there can be a grounds clumping with fresh finer-grind coffees, where it might be helpful to insist they separate. Good point. Warm regards, Kevin
Have you ever used a Clever Coffee Dripper? I’ve owned one for years and love how it makes a rich, full-bodied coffee. But brewing in plastic has always bothered me and I’m wondering how the coffee compares to coffee made with the siphon method.
Yes, I know Morris. I happen to be biased against metal filters, but I'm also a hypocrite because sometimes I like them such as the Neapolitan Flip Drip pot. hahaha I happen to be in that group that thinks the Chemex paper filter is just about the best-ever coffee making invention. But, of course you're right and if I were a truly competent reviewer, I'd have mentioned it in the show. Thanks for adding it in your response. Warm regards, Kevin
@@Coffeeists I just got a 25¢ Chemex-like flask by buying a glass vase of similar size and shape at a thrift store. I can experiment with my stainless filter and paper filters I also have on hand.
I just got a siphon coffee maker as a gift. I've only used it twice, but I don't get any sediment using the cloth filters it came with. Maybe they do wear out.
A lot of CZcams videos conclude that the coffee produced in a Siphon is somewhat underextracted. That's because they put in the grounds after the water comes up to the upper chamber. I think the grounds should be placed in the upper chamber before the water comes up, just as the manufacturer (Hario) recommends. You get full extraction that way.
I don't understand that whole "put the coffee in after"... If I do come across a siphon apparatus, no way I would wait to add the coffee...
If the viewer is patient, pay attention, the man is sharing the science of coffee.
Thank you, Mr Desmond!
It's almost midnight... why am I watching coffee videos? Lol
Hahaha. Thank you, Country Boy Ogre. Hope we didn't keep you up too late!!
Just the information I was looking for. Thank you.
Its amazing to see someone talk about their true passion
Thank you, Isaac. I truly appreciate your encouragement. Warmest regards, Kevin
Helpful, informative and is needed, thanks for taking the time.
My pleasure, Albert. Thanks for your encouragement.
Great an thorough comparison!! Thanks!!!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for your comment.
Thanks for the video. I was the one that asked the question!
Hi Jay, Yes, you were the one. Great idea! I never mention anyone's name without their permission. If it's okay I will in the future. It was one of my favorite subjects to address. Thank you!
@@Coffeeists OK to mention my name. I'm getting around to all the coffee channels!
Love the Syphon. Never owned a Chemex though, but with drip, i use Hario V60. A great brewer aswell
Nice to find someone who understands coffe
Thank you, Sir!
Great info. I totally agree!!
Thanks for watching!
Great video! Seriously considering buying a Syphon ☕️
Thank you for your comment. The syphon is among the best designed and manufactured brewing devices. There's a reason the method itself was the reigning way to brew coffee. Warm regards, Coffee Kevin
@@Coffeeists Thank you for your reply :) I bought the Syphon it’s on it’s way. Can’t wait to give it a go!
Just purchased a syphon as my chemex went to the office, and I wanted something to make a bit more in a brew than the aeropress that I had been using. I've only ever had syphon at some restaurants and a Starbucks reserve before. In all cases it was weak to my tastes. I was hesitant to go the syphon route, but with a sale it was considerably cheaper than a good drip machine. Looking forward to experimenting with the thing.
I'm glad to hear it. I think you may find the Siphon/Syphon makes a stronger coffee than most other methods. I frequently employ the Syphon to bring forth cup strength for coffees that taste bland when otherwise brewed. Let us know how it goes. Warmly, Kevin
@@Coffeeists sounds promising. I generally like my coffee as black and strong as humanly possible before it becomes so acidic and bitter as to be undrinkable.
Enjoyed all your analysis and expertise in comparing and explaining the multiple variations of the two methods. Well done. I collect and use a variety of Italian vintage coffee makers, lever pull and mokapot. But my fave is a newer syphon. What I was wondering was how much coffee did you put in the syphon to end up with so many grinds and no mound, which usually signifies a good extraction. Keep up opening doors for new coffee lovers !
Thank you. I use 38-40 grams fine grind coffee to 60 ml water.
I just got a siphon brewer. It tastes so much better than a standard coffee maker.
They are among the best extracting brewers of all, at least according to me! Thank you, MrRoboskippy!
Interesting that most US homes used siphon systems back in the 1930s. I remember our family used a metal one in the 1950s.
@@BoulderSuzukiStrings The syphon has never really made the comeback some of us predicted during the Specialty Coffee boom. None of the automatic new era units has really sold well. We'll make coffee with one soon that I thought might be a good seller. Hario's is extremely well made, but costly.
Taste vision I think is the words you were looking for haha hopefully in beta some where soon !!! 😂 thanks bud just got my first siphon maker today and boy I love it .
Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it!
I’ve gotten into brewing better coffee what I do is ; I have a pot of boiling water on my unwave induction cook top then I use a device called the cleaver coffee driper . It’s a cone v-shape coffee brewing device like all the standard v-shape drip pour devices but what makes it different is it has a valve at the bottom. So I put a paper filter in it then the ground coffee then I pour boiling hot water in it and let it sit for a few minutes then I sit it on my cup and let the coffee drip out into my cup and add more hot water then let that stand a few seconds then place it on the cup and repeat process. The reason is my buba cup is 20oz and the capacity of the cleaver coffee driper is 18oz. So I have to over fill the cleaver coffee driper with more ground coffee then it was originally designed for. So in the end I get really hot brewed coffee. I’ve been using the cleaver coffee driper for about a year now and will not use anything else. It’s available on Amazon. There are several brands but only one cleaver coffee driper it’s trade marked . They sell for about 29.00 dollars on Amazon. I found out about from a video on CZcams about a local coffee shop/ roster in my town I live in. Get one they are awesome 👍👍👍👍👍
Hi Joel, I'm familiar with the various types of manual pourovers that each convinced at least their investors that they do something unique to improve the brew. I find that most all of them has the capability to make excellent coffee if one invests the time to learn their specific advantages and brews consistently. There is a valve on many Moccamaster automatic drip brewers that predates by some years the one on the Clever and can be similarly used and appreciated. That said, I've had some good cups prepared in the Clever. Thank you for sharing your experiences with it.
Do you typically not swirl the coffee in the brewer? I typically stir up the coffee after brewing in the Chemex.
To be honest, no I don't. I feel if the water's poured, it should not be necessary. I don't feel it hurts to either. Just personal preference. I agree there can be a grounds clumping with fresh finer-grind coffees, where it might be helpful to insist they separate. Good point. Warm regards, Kevin
Have you ever used a Clever Coffee Dripper? I’ve owned one for years and love how it makes a rich, full-bodied coffee. But brewing in plastic has always bothered me and I’m wondering how the coffee compares to coffee made with the siphon method.
Useful video, thanks. Also are you sure you're Kevin and not Vyto Riginis (during his lower weights)?
I'm actually Kevin, but some days I wonder! I would enjoy playing a vampire! hahaha Thanks for the kind words, Lake!
Could you tell us the coffee storage system you mentioned for the Kenya? Thank you!
Yes Coffee Freshness System www.coffeefreshness.com/
Another variable to change is the use of a stainless steel filter instead of paper.
Yes, I know Morris. I happen to be biased against metal filters, but I'm also a hypocrite because sometimes I like them such as the Neapolitan Flip Drip pot. hahaha I happen to be in that group that thinks the Chemex paper filter is just about the best-ever coffee making invention. But, of course you're right and if I were a truly competent reviewer, I'd have mentioned it in the show. Thanks for adding it in your response. Warm regards, Kevin
@@Coffeeists I just got a 25¢ Chemex-like flask by buying a glass vase of similar size and shape at a thrift store. I can experiment with my stainless filter and paper filters I also have on hand.
What's the size of this Hemex? Is it 6-8-10?
Sorry for my delay in responding. This is the six cup model, which is (to me) perfect for two people to each get a couple of 5/6 oz cups each.
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I have a syphon coffee maker. I get so many sediments.
My experience is that only a paper or cloth filter is reliable at removing sediment. What kind of filter does your syphon use?
@@Coffeeists what came with it, a cloth filter. Maybe it needs replacement. Thanks for the reply, Sir.
I just got a siphon coffee maker as a gift. I've only used it twice, but I don't get any sediment using the cloth filters it came with. Maybe they do wear out.
Bruh I just wanted a cup of coffee ☕ I think I'll just drink water
Syphon tastes better because.... Science and shit haha