Probably not as qualified to commentate here, but here goes. 0:00 To Athos - Been a while since I last played here. Some thematic ideas: 1. What to do about that spy recon? It's insanely helpful to most players, but more so if the players are newer. At this level, I should expect these two to be able to make good guesswork, so actively pursuing the recon may be detrimental unless both do it. Also, an arty need vision support from another unit, so even more tempo loss is to be expected unless a B Copter comes in, but it's a free telegraph of sorts. 2. Given the lack of chains on this map, the question is more on infantry allocation and timing. 3. Unit composition is tricky. The 2b means you need to conserve units, but the 3 airports means BCopters are very plentiful and you get the opportunity to pick your attack side. AAs have merit here even as it is hard to get them out on one side, but do expect B Copter vs B Copter fights as well. I say both are as likely. Now about the players, both of whom are hugely inspiring to me: Go7 - Guy inspired me to pick Cobalt ICe as a default nation of mine, and he is quite free in his knowledge sharing. Not to mentorship levels yet, but here's hoping. If I am planning to go into casting such matches, I am afraid though that I might need to consider a different nation, even though I love pingus. People in the discord would know my candidate nations. Tordread - His inspiration to me is his elo climb. Guy was in the 700s for an extended period before going to the top. A bit like Kantbei in a way, and their games are some that I study to get better ideas. 4:25 I say you can argue for use cases for both T Copter and B Boat. This being a 24k (19k for a good part of it) parity map means that you could be expecting some heavy units. (Not triple B Copter on one turn's income, but it's a possibility.). T Copter remains somewhat versatile and cheaper to get so you can make it earlier and rush for those properties at some point without interrupting builds too much, but a B Boat can offer repairs in the centre if the fight ends up there (Not often does it happen though, but it's good gap coverage given how few cities are there in the centre to repair units for force projection). Even so, I favour a Blackboat less because you need a good chunk of investment to get the 5k in properties. As you mentioned, it's quite stalematey given how narrow the attack paths are. (1-3 spaces wide, good enough to block. even with so few bases) Game proper: 9:48 Attacking infantry on cities is a cheap way to incur repair costs and interrupt build order tempo. Certain matches are made advantageous in just one turn due to this manoevre. Even so, based on your analysis, that turn loss is a small price to pay for securing this income. 12:46 I argue control of this mountain is very critical for a few more reasons: 1. Tracking unit retreats for repairs. 2. Monitoring the forest and property. 3. Coverage of the flank leading to the centre of the map. 13:47 On the flip side, we have to also assume that Tordread will know of this plan as well, especailly with the forward inf cap. Then again, as noted later at 15:22, that did not happen. So there is that element of guesswork to do. It's one of the themes. 16:11 I am suspecting Go7 wanted to apply pressure as Adder vs Jake, but as we can see, this map is not good for applying that kind of pressure. So perhaps picking Adder for this map is not as good as it appears. 19:47 Replay-san OP. But as for later on, you can always capture properties later. Income can always be "earned" later on, just not on this turn, but a unit loss is one you cannot turn back time to get again. You can say the same for income on that particular turn, but you survived without it then anyways. 20:57 Mech watch continues, and it doesn't look good. If it is going for the early aggro strategy to buy time to get into position for a CO who isn't that good at stalling... it raises questions. 22:01 Only with vision. A small price to pay but it's a price regardless. 23:19 The accumulation of mistakes is starting to get to Go7 at this point. 24:00 It really depends. You could go for them once it is safer to do so, but if the match is hot, devoting units down there at the wrong time could have deadlier results in terms of unit and tempo loss in the centre. 19k (17k - 18k with haircut) is perfectly operable at 2b 2a. If players can manage Hellfire Mk V, then this can be managed. 30:20 The mech play did some work, but it took a lot of set-up to get there. 31:26 Guessing the positioning of the copter has better future value here? 35:34 And this is the part where I say: Completely normal. 37:03 I can see the reasoning for this... Not many vehicles need the boost. Just need the range and small firepower. 38:30 Feels like it is a bit late to tech up. Army's a tad disjointed here for Go7. Unit count equal but 3 of his infantry are just chilling, sooo.... That MD tank has counters and it's outnumbered in a way. Can't say the same for Tordread. 45:25 Likely a bait to force Go7 out of the ball there. 46:11 Yeah and it looks like it happened. 51:03 It's as good as dead pretty much. 54:03 Mf builds more AA than I do in 10 matches. 55:27 I mean, it makes sense given their CO picks too. 55:53 Severely behind. For a 1k income advantage, Go7 won't survive long given like 2 - 3 other disparities. Adder isn't suited for holding back on the deficit. 56:15 Counterplay is suggested, but his "strong side" army is not exactly a good aggressive composition. 58:30 As before... As good as dead. 58:48 Feels like a desperation play at this point. If penguins can sweat. Double base skip too. 1:00:06 Match ends here. Tordread evolves from tank meta to AA meta. Someone needs to get Go7 some royalty icecream to soothe that AA burn. Ultimately, what lost Go7 this match was a mixture, less on early mistakes (not immediately game losing), more on Tordread's superb intuition and indirect map understanding. It took a lot to seize this win, but I say Tordread did enough to refute some common ideas with sound reason. It's more like "Tordread earned this victory" rather than "Go7 threw this match." In a short description.
Yeah, Go7 would have either had to waste a turn revealing the recon with the tank, which would then give Tordread the opportunity to move the recon on the other city and still have it provide intel for the next turns, or build a recon so that Tordread's recon would be revealed. Smart moves, forcing the opponent to build a recon at this stage of the game.
I followed your instructions and threw my precious Garfield movie DVD and case into the fire. I breathed in too much smoke and passed out. When I came to, the video was already over. I demand compensation.
Absolutely stunning. Fantastic game and commentary all around. Only note after lots of videos is possibly creating a better mental image for LISTENERS a la baseball radio commentary, but I'm hopelessly addicted to these vids; and my eyes function, but I wanted to leave a meaningful comment critique, and that's about all I got. Cheers from HTX.
Tordread mind reading ability was insane .... actually not lol, i think he knows that he's ahead on the unit count and since it's a 2 base map the only way go7 gonna catch up is to build something from the airport, so he spams AA like no tomorrow
At the same time, I think when you realize your opponent is spamming AA it's a pitfall to keep spamming copters. If go7 had built a few more tanks instead of infantry that mostly sat on the right side doing nothing, he might have been able to counter all the AAs and take back the unit lead.
I haven't played this game but have been watching quite a bit of content of it. I have noticed maps usually are symmetrical. Is that a requirement or are symmetrical maps just so much easier to build and balance that you rarely see non-symmetrical maps?
It's currently a requirement for the Global League. I don't predict anyone successfully pitching the case that an asymmetric map is balanced to any major tournament organizers any time soon.
Thank god deej put his tinder profile pic in the thumbnail so I know it's a banger. Thanks Deej!
Lmao
Probably not as qualified to commentate here, but here goes.
0:00
To Athos - Been a while since I last played here. Some thematic ideas:
1. What to do about that spy recon? It's insanely helpful to most players, but more so if the players are newer. At this level, I should expect these two to be able to make good guesswork, so actively pursuing the recon may be detrimental unless both do it. Also, an arty need vision support from another unit, so even more tempo loss is to be expected unless a B Copter comes in, but it's a free telegraph of sorts.
2. Given the lack of chains on this map, the question is more on infantry allocation and timing.
3. Unit composition is tricky. The 2b means you need to conserve units, but the 3 airports means BCopters are very plentiful and you get the opportunity to pick your attack side. AAs have merit here even as it is hard to get them out on one side, but do expect B Copter vs B Copter fights as well. I say both are as likely.
Now about the players, both of whom are hugely inspiring to me:
Go7 - Guy inspired me to pick Cobalt ICe as a default nation of mine, and he is quite free in his knowledge sharing. Not to mentorship levels yet, but here's hoping. If I am planning to go into casting such matches, I am afraid though that I might need to consider a different nation, even though I love pingus. People in the discord would know my candidate nations.
Tordread - His inspiration to me is his elo climb. Guy was in the 700s for an extended period before going to the top. A bit like Kantbei in a way, and their games are some that I study to get better ideas.
4:25 I say you can argue for use cases for both T Copter and B Boat. This being a 24k (19k for a good part of it) parity map means that you could be expecting some heavy units. (Not triple B Copter on one turn's income, but it's a possibility.). T Copter remains somewhat versatile and cheaper to get so you can make it earlier and rush for those properties at some point without interrupting builds too much, but a B Boat can offer repairs in the centre if the fight ends up there (Not often does it happen though, but it's good gap coverage given how few cities are there in the centre to repair units for force projection). Even so, I favour a Blackboat less because you need a good chunk of investment to get the 5k in properties.
As you mentioned, it's quite stalematey given how narrow the attack paths are. (1-3 spaces wide, good enough to block. even with so few bases)
Game proper:
9:48 Attacking infantry on cities is a cheap way to incur repair costs and interrupt build order tempo. Certain matches are made advantageous in just one turn due to this manoevre. Even so, based on your analysis, that turn loss is a small price to pay for securing this income.
12:46 I argue control of this mountain is very critical for a few more reasons:
1. Tracking unit retreats for repairs.
2. Monitoring the forest and property.
3. Coverage of the flank leading to the centre of the map.
13:47 On the flip side, we have to also assume that Tordread will know of this plan as well, especailly with the forward inf cap. Then again, as noted later at 15:22, that did not happen. So there is that element of guesswork to do. It's one of the themes.
16:11 I am suspecting Go7 wanted to apply pressure as Adder vs Jake, but as we can see, this map is not good for applying that kind of pressure. So perhaps picking Adder for this map is not as good as it appears.
19:47 Replay-san OP. But as for later on, you can always capture properties later. Income can always be "earned" later on, just not on this turn, but a unit loss is one you cannot turn back time to get again. You can say the same for income on that particular turn, but you survived without it then anyways.
20:57 Mech watch continues, and it doesn't look good. If it is going for the early aggro strategy to buy time to get into position for a CO who isn't that good at stalling... it raises questions.
22:01 Only with vision. A small price to pay but it's a price regardless.
23:19 The accumulation of mistakes is starting to get to Go7 at this point.
24:00 It really depends. You could go for them once it is safer to do so, but if the match is hot, devoting units down there at the wrong time could have deadlier results in terms of unit and tempo loss in the centre. 19k (17k - 18k with haircut) is perfectly operable at 2b 2a. If players can manage Hellfire Mk V, then this can be managed.
30:20 The mech play did some work, but it took a lot of set-up to get there.
31:26 Guessing the positioning of the copter has better future value here?
35:34 And this is the part where I say: Completely normal.
37:03 I can see the reasoning for this... Not many vehicles need the boost. Just need the range and small firepower.
38:30 Feels like it is a bit late to tech up. Army's a tad disjointed here for Go7. Unit count equal but 3 of his infantry are just chilling, sooo.... That MD tank has counters and it's outnumbered in a way. Can't say the same for Tordread.
45:25 Likely a bait to force Go7 out of the ball there.
46:11 Yeah and it looks like it happened.
51:03 It's as good as dead pretty much.
54:03 Mf builds more AA than I do in 10 matches.
55:27 I mean, it makes sense given their CO picks too.
55:53 Severely behind. For a 1k income advantage, Go7 won't survive long given like 2 - 3 other disparities. Adder isn't suited for holding back on the deficit.
56:15 Counterplay is suggested, but his "strong side" army is not exactly a good aggressive composition.
58:30 As before... As good as dead.
58:48 Feels like a desperation play at this point. If penguins can sweat. Double base skip too.
1:00:06 Match ends here. Tordread evolves from tank meta to AA meta. Someone needs to get Go7 some royalty icecream to soothe that AA burn.
Ultimately, what lost Go7 this match was a mixture, less on early mistakes (not immediately game losing), more on Tordread's superb intuition and indirect map understanding. It took a lot to seize this win, but I say Tordread did enough to refute some common ideas with sound reason.
It's more like "Tordread earned this victory" rather than "Go7 threw this match." In a short description.
I already saw this one from Go7. He got covid during this match twice, Tordread was kind towards Go7 during this period.
At 27:45 I think the recon was moved to the corner at full hp so it was out of vision of the tank and that may be why he built a recon
Yeah, Go7 would have either had to waste a turn revealing the recon with the tank, which would then give Tordread the opportunity to move the recon on the other city and still have it provide intel for the next turns, or build a recon so that Tordread's recon would be revealed.
Smart moves, forcing the opponent to build a recon at this stage of the game.
18:55 I love how you are telling us how smart these players are and how they should do things, then they do something even smarter O:
Better than PALL BLART MALL COP? Sacrilege!!!
"Pall" lmao
I like how it's always a banger when both of them collides.
What a match! Absolute banger, great commentary as always
Standout episode of IAWG just for the increasingly absurd pronunciations of KING OF THA PAAAAHNGUINS!
I want to see an AWBW replay analysis where you go up against grimguy
I followed your instructions and threw my precious Garfield movie DVD and case into the fire. I breathed in too much smoke and passed out. When I came to, the video was already over.
I demand compensation.
Absolutely stunning. Fantastic game and commentary all around.
Only note after lots of videos is possibly creating a better mental image for LISTENERS a la baseball radio commentary, but I'm hopelessly addicted to these vids; and my eyes function, but I wanted to leave a meaningful comment critique, and that's about all I got.
Cheers from HTX.
Yeah I listen a lot. I try to watch but I have trouble following... Still learning a lot
Absolutely a certified banger.
What a satisfying game
Tordread mind reading ability was insane
.... actually not lol, i think he knows that he's ahead on the unit count and since it's a 2 base map the only way go7 gonna catch up is to build something from the airport, so he spams AA like no tomorrow
At the same time, I think when you realize your opponent is spamming AA it's a pitfall to keep spamming copters. If go7 had built a few more tanks instead of infantry that mostly sat on the right side doing nothing, he might have been able to counter all the AAs and take back the unit lead.
You know it's a good game when you feel like any mistakes from the game are knit-picky.
Oh yes. It's Luna crit time.
Oh it's a baaaaangggerrrrr.
AA's go brrrrrr
More consistent replay analysis please!
You’ll get your schlopp when you get it, and you’ll like it
Grim Guy is also a great commentator !
Insane big brain match.
Early for the banger
I haven't played this game but have been watching quite a bit of content of it. I have noticed maps usually are symmetrical. Is that a requirement or are symmetrical maps just so much easier to build and balance that you rarely see non-symmetrical maps?
It's currently a requirement for the Global League. I don't predict anyone successfully pitching the case that an asymmetric map is balanced to any major tournament organizers any time soon.
@@codegeek98 I guess that makes sense. Cheers
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NUTYYYYY
at 35:05 how tf did the Anti Air kill a unit in a forest without revealing it?
Air units aren't hidden by forests.
Ahh now I'm smarter, thanks for the answer
I mean that makes sense but IDK if the base game ever says this .. @@XiremaXesirin
41:48 why Tordread's helicopter able to attack Go7 helicopter which hidind in the forest without scouting?
you can't hide air unit in forest lol
@@IqbalAlif9001 tnx, for some reason I thought that the forest hides everything.
Rooting for Go7 because penguins.
SAME
Go7 fog match, 1h long video, I don’t deserve this
To athos and Reforming are mind boggling, i prefer reforming bc artillery is good