Is "edge" computing really faster?
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2022
- Edge computing is becoming a popular way to deliver modern web applications. Let’s find out if the Edge is really faster by comparing Firebase to Vercel Edge Functions with Next.js.
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I prefer tatooine-west-4 for all my deployments since the average distance to end users is about the same for everyone.
4D development thinking.
I was using deathstar-west-1 for an app of mine, but I'm getting a 404 status code now, any idea what it might be?
my end users are mostly in Mos Eisley so tatooine-east-1 works better for me
bout 12 parsecs ain't it?
I dont know if I would recommend this because the Tatooine binary star caused solar anomalies in some of my requests.
I love how ~800ms is unacceptably slow, but at my work I regularly do queries on a database that should take less than a second, but they somehow made take up to 20 seconds.
do you even index, bro?
As samuel mentioned, index table columns in the query that have the heaviest cost ( you can check by analyzing the query in the ide ) and your queries will be much faster.
Keep in mind you might need to refresh the indexes every now and then
800ms is unacceptable only because this is a minimum viable tests for network latency that does not involve computation or DB
Wtf are you doing?
It's unacceptably slow or blazing fast depends on use case and goals, without context it doesn't mean much.
so basically edge = bring server closer to the consumer, while CDN = bring static files closer to the consumer.
Airplane = bring consumer closer to the data
It also bring your app to the edge of the world!
#RIPRoundWorld
Or…the video maker entirely misunderstood what edge computing was due to these shitty frameworks trying to leech off of the name.
not all, edge db is exsiting..
@@mrbjjackson to quote the old guys in the balcony from Muppet Show: "Science. It can take man on the moon!" "Yeah, but it can't take moon on the man! AAHHAHAHAHAH"
Microsoft edge is pretty good, I use it instead of node js as a backend
Microsoft edge still exists? 😱
The last time I opened it was to play the surf game 🤣
@ best not watch anything that’s *really* funny or you might die of a heart attack.
@@codelexis it's actually one of the most popular browser that isn't chrome (even tho it uses chromium) and tbh it's a really good browser and if i had to choose between edge and chrome I'll probably choose edge
@@ioneocla6577 is better than chrome.
@@pedrobigboss get those bloats out of your computer and use brave already.
Subtle humor and conspiracies is what makes a tech video worth watching
"subtle"
@@XeiDaMoKaFE because they've gone to the moon 53 years ago and we people believe it sincerely, so that the government can mandate us to wear face diapers.
@@jamesfulford XeiDaMoKa FE: "ikr , no globaloid would put that there but ofc then have to pass it off as joke with donuts , reputation is on the line I understand"
They just deleted his comment and the one I posted from my other channel. Fireship even uses the map where Antarctica is shown as a ring of ice.
Instead of me explaining constantly to team members why edge / serverless is a bad idea for our single MySQL database, I can now send them this video.
Ty for that
why is it bad for serverless
Plot twist, They still think its a good idea but now they're flat Earthers.
@@Kasper-mu4ov Extra steps to setup conneciton pooling. No benefit in speed if your page depends on loading data from database in a centralized location.
The Achilles Heel of edge computing is when the edge servers have to rely on a janky slow-ass core for their content. It's a bottleneck and you gain nothing.
@@joelei4179I mean you can use an edge db like R1 or turso
But maybe the stress of programming while on the edge of a cliff until a task is completed would increase productivity and coding speed, that would be edge computing
also possibly more bugs, the flying kind, being outside and all.
@@gngn2973 Well if all the bugs you get are physical, then you won't get any digital ones 🤔
@@AByteofCode on a serious note tho, coding while being high on pressure and stress makes code work short term, then perosnaly bugs would be deep in the implementation
@@crptlvr7773 Yeah absolutely, coding in stressful environments is never a good idea if you're trying to make something work in the long run
@@AByteofCode 😆Well my code always has lots bugs in it that I can't seem to find. They're the result of digital usually, but they're definitely always there. 🥺
The time from router A to B does not depends always on the distance, it depends also on the route contracted between the ISPs , priorities, bandwidth, time of the day, solar storms and of course the flat shape of the plainet
I laughed pretty hard at that part. Sadly some will think he's serious.
Lol
I like how this implies that the earth can change shape. Because yknow, somthing can't depend on a constant
@@blacky7801 technically, yeah. Soon after like millions of years, Earth's day would be 26 hours, which makes earth slighty more "round".
@@sonetagu1337 don't be silly! the earth isn't round
Shoutout to all the devs in Sri Lanka working amidst an economic crisis. Great stuff as always Jeff. Thank you for keeping us up to date.
Poor guys. I wonder how you manage to do anything with all of these blackouts.
@@ivanbulanov5754 well let me put it rhis way.... My sleep patterns have never recovered
Was looking for Sri Lankans in the comment section and here I am.
Well, what about the massacres in Sri Lanka, honey? Doesn't that affect us too?
@@nivaldolemos5280 Me as a Bangladeshi be like: heheh boy.
Great to see everybody aboard the BLAZINGLY FAST train.
Now I want a livestream with Fireship, Primeagen, Theo and TomDoesTech.
(edit: typo)
me 2
Yup
lmao true
Who’s Primagen? Is that a Primeagen wanna be?
@@bren.r vice versa
One of your best videos, not just explaining what it is but the pros and cons and real world examples to back it up. I love it.
When I got my GCP PCA the google docs were trying to help you decide what cloud solution you need for your app. It mainly went "Are you building a web app for use by humans?" => Yes:" Firebase " No:" Everything else in GCP".
These exams are vendor-specific for a reason. If you want a generic cloud exam take something like Cloud+ or CCSK/CCSP.
1:17 I love how Bangladesh is situated inside India 😂
Edit: I think U meant Bangalore?🤔
That isn't where bangalore is either XD
@@darrenfernandes4189 close.
@@xiaoshen194 About 1100 km off. 'Close'. But I guess this is CS.
That flat earth moment got me rolling. Always a pleasure to watch your videos😁
Besides, everyone knows that the world is in the shape of a pyramid 🧑🔬
They see me rolling..
"They get an image hosted from Bangladesh" proceeds to mark India
He confused Bangalore with bangladesh
I think a better solution is the ability to deploy a LAMP stack into the end user's browser so your code can run locally on their workstation. Your move latency.
But when happens when that user wants to use his friends computer?
@@FalconTheFries install LAMP again in his friends computer
Just send them an exe.
Lol, cloud computing back to the client.
The solution was Javascript in the browser the whole time... who knew?
That Primeagen reference was gold 👌😂
This is a good introduction to edge deployment. Thank you Jeff.
Really enjoyed the practical demonstration of use cases and limitations. Up there in my all time fireship vids.
Great mix of information and light comedy, without distracting from the subject, 10/10 !
As someone who is focusing more on AI and IoT, I don't know much about web development but this isn't edge computing and I think its name is just being used as a marketing shtick in this domain.
You got it right that edge computing is about bringing the computational resource closer to the end user. Although edge computing is more of an umbrella term, inter-state or inter-country connections being called edge computing is a stretch. An edge device is a local resource that is much closer (e.g. server in your university campus) where resource constrained mobile devices such as smartphones can offload tasks to instead of offloading to the cloud, as offloading to cloud isn't viable for tasks with low latency requirements such as games, sensing, augmented reality and so on. It's not a standalone replacement of the cloud infrastructure either, it's just introducing another layer into the hierarchy for certain use-cases like the ones I have mentioned.
I just wanted to clarify edge computing the way I know it so people don't get wrong ideas about the term just because it's being used out of context in web development.
Thanks for the explanation, "edge" is being used everywhere in web development these days, it's the new marketing term, it seems to be the successor of the "cloud".
Vercel use it that much that I'm surprised it's a new feature for their API routes
Do you have an alternative name to suggest for the web development community?
i love your comment, i´m writing my bachelor thesis about this rn and what you describe is the way i see edge computing mentioned mostly. The reason to go for edge computing is speed and ideally also cost reduction, since sending terrabites of data somewhere gets real pricy after a while.
An example i love is a self driving car. If you have a connection problem, and can´t upload data to the cloud, your distance sensor could take minutes to get the cloud feedback "YO MAN, YOU ARE CLOSEING DISTANCE TO THAT WALL A LITTLE TOO FAST", that´s why those have their own processors.
I think more suitable term for the web domain would be "rendering on the Edge". There are articles that use that term instead and they clarify that the "edge" means the edge of the network: where the private network ends and public internet begins. I also don't think the term "edge computing" truly applies to the web use case. As far as I understand, the main goal of edge computing is to bring computing on the data closer to the source that generates the data, hence it make sense to do so for IoT devices that generate sh*tload of it. But in case of the web, user is not the one generating the data. They are the ones consuming it but the data lives in the central data storage. That's why one big challenge as mentioned in the video is bringing data (in central storage) to the edge, otherwise the whole point is lost.
I love watching how my favourite content creators start to reference each other in their videos
Thanks a lot for this awesome content!
Jeff your content is always top notch, been watching your videos since 2019 and they just keeps getting better, you’re a legend !
Interestingly enough, I just started working on an application running on Cloudflare Pages. This just made me aware about some things to expect from livin' on the edge.
Edge computing is for highly specialized use cases, and requires a completely different paradigm and architecture than any of this even begins to touch on.
Yeah especially when one of the solutions to speed things up in the non-edge case is caching. It’s appropriate to cache some data, but other data it’s completely inappropriate. I watched this thinking there must be cases where edge is a better architecture for that specific case.
Do you know if there are systems that use both?
@Avin Kavish smart highways are the hot topic as a good example. manufacturing as well, where you need extremely low latency and fast processing for complex operations, but still be integrated into the wider network across multiple regions.
Yep. I work on remote IoT industrial devices that can connect to sensors, compute data, and communicate via satellite. Designed for monitoring and controlling devices in remote areas. E.g. measuring the temp/pressure of a pipeline and sending the data to the company remotely. Another one is wildfire monitoring.
Another potential use case is to overcome the limitations of your CDN. For instance, introduce special routing towards origins.
@@nagoshi01 but why would you need the responces to be that fast for wildfire monitoring? Wouldn't just connecting to centralized server be enough?
Most concise video on edge compute I have seen thus far, good man
The Sri Lanka part caught me off guard 😂🔥
what's cool about that?
👍
@@backonrun626 ikr 😕
@@backonrun626 At 1:19 he marked the edge function icon on India but says Bangladesh xD
@@shikhar2811 XD
Yoooo! Sri Lanka's going through a proper sh!t storm right now, but not in a million years did I expect one of my favorite channels to mention it! Much love
Thank you for the shoutout for devs in Sri Lanka. Really means a lot.
Amazing video! I’ve been wondering about this recently, and this made things much clearer!
I love this channel for its subtle humour while being informative as welll
Really good introduction to edge computing with some balanced takes! Nice work.
I am from Bangladesh and really happy that you pronounced it pretty well!
but points at central india :O
I see your “Cleveland: We’re not Detroit”
Your ability to include these funny memes and snippets, while still making the video highly educational is unparalleled
Thanks for your effort to measure all those results !
I really appreciate that !
Lot of information to unpack in this one. Also, the doughnut shaped earth is a really interesting theory. Tell me more.
It's technically physically possible with a perfect spin speed early in planetary formation. Probably not stable long term tho
I think this topic deserves a deeper dive. How does testing/debugging work with edge computing, especially if the problem is happening on specific nodes? How can you monitor/validate which version of code is deployed across the world? How does edge computing integrate with CI/CD? For distributed databases, how do you tell the edge server to request data from the closest database instance, and how can it gracefully fallback to another instance during an outage?
Sadly nobody cares, better deploy features to stay ahead compettition, and obviously amass a victory among the twitter TODOs app experts
I can't really imagine how much i can learn from your short videos
Keep up the work 👏
It makes me so happy to watch one of your videos.
I can 'edge' on fireship content all day
bro 💀
Pause.
Ayoooo
heyyo
what is wrong with he said 🤔🤔
You explained edge computing very well, great video!
I'm from where you pointed in NZ ... saving for your course ... love what you do ... keep it up -- Kia ora.
Love all your videos! Very informative and helpful
Can't wait for dev hour with Prime!
i'm waiting for this one too... s/b really good
I feel like the more popular the concept gets, the less "edgy" it becomes. 5 years ago, it meant it runs on a box you can probably see from where you're standing. Now it just means a datacenter but not in va.
Well thought examples for benchmark. As always great content
Much awaited podcast with you and Prime!! Blazingly Fast!!
I think Edge Computing is Awesome, but data is the challenging part of it & Try to see Deno Deploy, Fastly Compute@Edge. Also Note that Cloudflare Workers are expanding scripts size to be from 5mbs - 100mbs & more.
Deno Deploy is awesome!
lolz just was researching this topic for about a week and finally decided to build my next project on the Cloudflare edge network ... I will just start watching the video, fingers-crossed you won't ruin my research outcome 🤐😅😂
Cloudflare Workers is fantastic, they have an absolutely insane amount of data centers, no cold starts and a bunch of other services like R2, KV, DO, etc. which you may find useful.
@@bringbackwindowsphone and D2 is incoming soon
You are amazing, no matter what programming topic I search for you have a video on it with expert knowledge shared, awesome.
Great video! You are so knowledgeable in all these aspects of computing. I am curious as to what your background is and how you got started in this industry? Thank you for all the great content!
Teacher: Today we're gonna go to BangLadesh
Kid named Ladesh:
.... cursed comment mate
CouchDB is a good db for distributed stuff too
Also, what I have been doing is:
frontend on cloudflare pages
then backend on servers
We study which locations have more users and then scale the backend to there. The frontend decides which backend to use based on the geolocation.
And couchdb is also very fast on all cases because it's literary in the same computer
Hey, I'm actually also doing this the exact same way, except that for now we only have one location for the servers. For scaling up the servers I though getting a managed multi-region cockroachDB, but, as you already battle tested it, is couchdb good? Do you have it managed or you built the cluster yourself?
Thanks
PD: Also I'm afraid of using cockroachdb as it does not support the postgres trigram extension :(
@@neoxelox :(
Bottleneck is still gonna be the DB. That edge still has to talk to that DB in the Amazon data center.
@@neoxelox you can try YugabyteDB it is way more compatible with postgres, but managing it by yourself (in team) would be a hassle. Managed solution was pretty good though.
@Avin Kavish yes, cloudflare pages are free for my use case
Thanks for the pro tip with Firebase Function, didn't know there is new runtime option for cold start.
I'd never considered the database round trip issue before. That's good to keep in mind!
Id like to point out that the lines that transfer the data aren't really the issue. Because comparatively speaking, the massive routers that redirect the data to the correct correspondant are very very fast, but not as fast as light.
Also, signal repeaters are a thing - but even those things are negledgeable
Neglegable, neglibigle or is it negligigle?
@@goeland4585 I'm german lol
@@luigigaminglp sorry haha it's probably easier when you know the french word it comes from
Cloudflare workers and Cloudflare D1 (SQLite) is a promising alternative to the issue of caching and db location, if used right
oh man the "catch the ice dude" clip gave me flashbacks to the last time i was happy. thanks for that
when you said Sri Lanka it warms my heart!!
Hi from Sri Lanka!
generally the idea is going to be: deploy things that need calculations only to Edge. So things like "how close am I to X" for a self-driving car. You don't need a DB for that, as you'd pass in as arguments, but then a remote Edge server would calculate that distance for you rather than have that all done on the vehicle itself.
Perhaps less complexity is better, as if you can't always stay connected to a network or don't want to.
Its fun to watch frontend devs figure out backend :D
I actually prefer watching backend devs trying to make GUIs (I'm backend myself)
@@MaryamMaqdisi wanna watch me struggle with CSS for hours?
@@Jonathan1234000 Hours. What about months? 🍻
Fun reality show idea: make a hackathon, but make the FE folks do BE stuff and the other way round. For extra funsies/chaos also swap Agile scrum master & UI designer roles.
Between the Earth shapes, Primes appearance and learning AWS is now on Tatooine. This was chefs kiss.
Came for the 'In 100 seconds' videos, stayed for the other great videos, like this one!
Edge computing is super interesting and super cool.
Man I have been "edging" for weeks now, it's amazing!
brother wtf
Pls, just don't.
A great follow up episode is test out CloudFlare's edge functions, Workers. They also provide a K-V pair database that is also distributed.
Distributed Blockhain-based DB and edge functions = 🤯🤯
I love edging, it makes my life so much easier, I'd recommend edging to literally everyone I know!
lol wtf
r/EdgingTalk
By the way i am blown away by the amount of information 😃
Omg, thanks for this video! Was really insightful!
I never like neither comment any videos, but for some reason, I personally think this is one of the best, if not the best video you have ever made fireship! GOAT 😍
I thought another framework was born, Blazingly fast EdgeJS
You‘re really funny man, thanks!
I don't want to code in JS, yet I still watch your channel 🙂 GJ
this is the most educational fireship video for me
basically great to use for hello world examples nothing more
90% of your app endpoints do one or more db interactions
You just have to move your DB to the edge too. Granted, I'd guess that a very small % of apps would benefit from moving everything to the edge, but those apps do exist.
If you're sharding and distributing your database(s) at scale, you already have them close to the edge.
The vast majority of apps and services don't operate at this scale, though, so it's just a thought exercise unless you're a distributed systems engineer
If you want good response times globally, you should have clusters of db + servers in different regions and use a consensus algorithm to keep your separate dbs in sync with each other
@@randxalthor haha sharding
@@dhess34 and basically reinvent what cloud providers already do....
As a fan of Cloudflare I might say it could probably be the fastest cdn and edge computing you can get on Earth. You definitely should check this out!
It could be quite tricky to get a clear picture of how all those things works under the hood, but I think it worth it
@1:17 Didn't expect you to mention Sri Lanka. Will take it as a shoutout to the SL dev community working their asses off amidst the ongoing economical crisis.
I'm more confused now about Serverless Vs Edge. Thanks guys!
But api abstraction of next js is just great.
Deployment is super simple.
Hey Jeff could you please do a video on the Nim programming language?
He needs to do Zig first!
Woah...FIRST SRI LANKAN to watch this..❤️❤️❤️ thanks JEFF for mentioning my country on your video..
Amazing explanation thanks again for this one !
1:21 You referred to Bangladesh but the Edge logo is in India 😅
Great content as always. But I want to point out the mistake at 1:21. That's India where you placed your red marker at. Bangladesh is much much smaller in size compared to India, and is located much further onto the right of the marker. Please try to fix this. :)
He want to say Bangalore, but by mistake said Bangladesh
He is American we can understand.
So much infomation in only 8 minutrs. 🤯🤯🤯🤯 This is a web developers life...
Nice job putting the primeagen reference in there!
You said Bangladesh but pointed towards India(telegana), no big deal though just a few thousand km off.
Thanks for mentioning Bangladesh.
Your videos are awesome 💪
Since you felt like nitpicking, the location pointed was not telegana, its was Madhyapradesh. No worries, you were just a few km off.
@@ark_knight yesh brother, i looked at the map and seems like like it was that red state (telegana/hydrabad). You might be right. Thanks though 💪
edge functions seems good for stateless services, but for stateful services I think every edge function will have their own state.
Or you could store state info on the client? Ala JWTs
Loved the Primagen shoutout :D
love your videos dude hope you get 1.5 mil
Bro I thought they improved Microsoft Edge browser 🤣
That Never Happens
😂🤣
Do a video on how the 4chan bros hacked hunters iCloud
Thanks Jeff for being consistently good, and honestly I’m here just for the humour nowadays
As a Bengalurian, it makes me happy that you pronounced it Bengaluru every time even though it is spelled Bangalore on your list. Thank you.
However: as far as I know Cloudflare comes with a built in Key value store
Edging motivation
Love the Unauthorized Cleveland Tourism ad screenshot.
Man i just trust him for all my Developer News . Keep it up bro !!👍👍