Restoring an old Polish bench vise. FPU vise restoration Bison
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2023
- In this video I'll show you how I restored this Polish made FPU bench vise that was in need of restoration. These are very interesting vises that work using a set of ways that the rear jaw moves back and forth on. I used hammerite mid green paint.
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FAQ
The Citristrip paint stripper wasn't very powerful and required multiple coats. Also it smelled like used urinal cakes.. Not pleasant. That's why I wouldn't recommend it. I prefer Jasco.
The "Soylent Green" is Simple Green.
The paint I used is Hammerite, color mid green. Its not the most durable paint but I really like the color so that's why I used it. Also I did apply two coats.
If you would go for most durable paint what would you use then? I too like the Hammerite paint for it's looks. But sometimes I feel it's not really tough enough.
So many people recommend "Citristrip" and I do not know why??? It really sucks!!! It does not work well at all!!! I had to redo a vise like 20 coats of it just to get a good amount of the paint off and it was extremely time consuming! I would have been better off using an angle grinder and one of those paint stripping pads or a wire wheel.
I love watching restoration videos like this. The idea of honoring something crafted during a simpler time by restoring it taps into the right spot of my brain. I could watch stuff like this for hours on end.
Love to see old vices like this restored. They are the ones that would sit on my bench in a safe spot as a decoration because I'd hate to use it and possibly damage it due to the uniqueness and age of it. More of a conversation piece!
Just a little restoration video while I work on other projects! Have a great weekend everyone! By the way, I forgot to mention in the video that I used Hammerite paint, color mid green.
Oh God you used my favorite color 🙏🙏🙏
I restored a similar vise made in eastern Germany (DDR), 150mm jaw width, 48kg ;-)
Rather than re-painting, I just stripped it, then treated it with a mix of wax, oil and terpentine and polished it with a cloth once the terpentine had evaoporated.
So it looks like raw cast iron, but it won't rust.
That way, I can best appreciate the decades old Patina.
I admire you for not just replacing the bolts, and putting in the extra effort to keep as much hardware as you could, original. That's some attention to the detail!
That’s a nice vise, I bought one in 1974 brand new at a tool warehouse in Cleveland and still use it. It’s my “new” vise my old vise is a 4” Erie made in the 1930’s. It’s cool that you cleaned it up and painted it, all I do to mine is wipe the crud off of it. My understanding is the rear jaw moving vise was for machinist work note that since the front jaw is stationary the work piece can only extend down to the bench surface. This vise is from Soviet era Poland and it’s the type of manufacturing they excelled at so this is an incredibly well made vise. Don’t baby it now that it’s all prettied up.
This is so beautiful, it’s the kind of relaxing work that I like to do!
Thank you for sharing this lovely moment!
Prism sliding vises are the way. Nice to see some classic Polish products on a Western channel :)
This is a LEGIT restoration, expertly executed. Well done Sir!
Poland rules!
That's a neat little Vise. Nice job.
Cheers from Poland ;)
I love to see the step by step resurrection of tools or mechanisms that have been discarded by previous owners. The time you've spent on this vise will propel it well into the next century as a useful and attractive tool. Well done, sir, well done.
Thank you!
I like the singing of your rotary tool.
Commenting here until Robinson Foundry collabs with us! 🫡
The video was excellent as well.
Cool how the vice body moves instead of just the forward jaw.
high quality vise
oh man...what a gorgeous restoring...I mean sure it's a vice...but it looks like art now!
Keep em coming!!!!
Great video. A tool made to last is easily stripped down and refurbished. This video is a lesson to us all.
Nice. Loved the soylent green reference.
It's people :D
I love the color!
Thank you!
What a gripping video!!
Nice to see some Restoration from my favorite meal smith!
I really love restoration videos. Enjoyed it, thanks!
Nice job 👍. Glad you shared it with all of us.😎👍
That’s an interesting design.
Good job!
The paint choice was superb.
Soylent Green is definitely the best for removing old grease, but makes a great snack too 🙂
I think you did a fantastic job!
Yes. Smth from my country 💪🏻👌😁
He cleaned it with people!
Really nice work, perfect color choice for the paint, too.
Beautiful work!
Cool video
Looks great.
I was kinda surprised nothing got sandblasted clean.
That really is a unique vise format, having the jaw stay fixed.
Looks great 👍🏼
Looks good! Thanks.
Nicely done.
Looks great, well done.😊
best thing is that those vises are still manufactured :D I have one myself :)
Sooooo satisfactory to watch ...
great video
Buen trabajo. Saludos desde San Luis, Argentina
Really nice restauration. I’m used to using a spray for painting, but I guess your approach with just a brush is easier to implement. I shall consider it! It is quite common in Germany and Switzerland to have vices with the rear jaw moving, and quite unusual the opposite!
Probably 90% of machinist vices are of the GRESSEL brand and this company is only selling such vices. They have my preference.
Loved the video even if I prefer the ones with commentary.
What paint did you use?
I bought one like yours for $2.00 at a public sale. Fabricated an adjustable gibe and it looks and works great
Nice!
Great Job. Vice has some nice design points. Dovetail Ways with a gib and adjustment screws. Floating Leadscrew nut and the ring it rotates on is very robust were it wedge clamps on 3 points.
But most important "You've gotta tell them! Soylent Green is people! We've gotta stop them somehow!"
Nice
1:17 happy family faces
Honest criticism, too much silence. It was a great video!
Polska! Bialo czerwoni 🇵🇱 😁
Weird how this video should crop up.
I've just finished (2 weeks ago) doing the very same thing to an old Woden (not wooden) vice that belonged to my grandfather, then my father then me.
I'll tell you, that vice did a lot of work (still does) and took plenty abuse and it's still going strong.
I totally agree that there's a lot of satisfaction refurbishing an item.
It was amazing to see all the original casting marks once the body was stripped.
nice work! BTW, the manufacturer is called FUP, short for Fabryka Urządzeń Przemysłowych, which you could translate as Industrial Equipment Factory
Nie wiesz czy jest jakis polski kanał o podobnej tematyce?
FPiU BISON-BIAL FPiU = Fabryka Przyrządów i Uchwytów = Devices and Chucks Factory
Soylent green is people!!!
Thats why it works so well!
The paint you used looks like what I Imagine the original paint looked like. I wonder if there is a hard clear coat you could use that would add some durability.
also what size is the vise? I have one too that Im going to clean up a bit more, I believe its a 6" model.
Oh, and for paint stripper, Easy off oven cleaner works amazing!
When I do a restoration like this i use airplane stripper to remove paint. Jasco brand usually. Its nasty stuff but it works. Proper ppe required.
you should replace or get spare parts and use rubber for the grips.
Personally I would have thinned the hammer paint a bit and also add a second coat. Other than that, great job 👍
Great job! Now only if we knew someone decent at casting and foundry work who could make a replica? 😉
I have the same vise, it could be recast... The problem is that you need a local foundry that will be willing to make 1 off castings like this, as you are unlikely to get any manufacturer to replicate this design... A great design, but one strongly on the wrong side of the cost cutting scale for the modern industry... Mine has a broken dovetail bit on the gib side, and i will need to braze a huge glob of bronze there before milling it out again to restore the geometry, but once that is done, i may just go to my local foundry as i know they do 1 offs and just bring them the ready made mould of the moving jaw body, as to have a new part cast so i can machine it to oem... I dislike any welded or brazed repairs of what was once whole... Its either whole or its broken... But yeah... It can be done, but it would be costly somewhat... I could, like this guy could, have a series of these recast at the friendly foundry, then the castings could be machined(really easy work) and we could sell those... Likely with better than oem work, as cast iron can be had better today than before, and machining is done with better tooling and accessories... But how would you price such a vise? If it aint pumped out a 100 a minute at minimum, with how much shit costs, these would not be cheap... Just the metal for it and the casting service would likely be a few hundred euros for the raw casting... Then you have secondary work of machining in another shop, which is also a few hunnit bucks... All the shit in between those two and prior and after either of those two services also would add up... Then you have shipping of such a slab(not really that heavy, but they do have around 35kg from what i remember since last lifting mine up) and all the associated bullshit with imports, regulations, cock sucking and being robbed by your own country and so on... All that shit would add up to at least 1200$ per piece, and that still leaves me or this guy who went through all the shit needed to replicate them with almost 0 earnings, just covering the costs we would have and the enforced theft that you have to pay to even own something(shipping, taxes, import tariffs and so on)... The only ones who would ``earn`` something would be the foundry owner and the body which would tax your ass and the shipping company, which leaves the one who invested the effort into it with 0 rewards for so doing... You would be better off finding a dude with such a vise, asking nicely to come over and make your own casting mould thereof, taking that mould to the foundry and having the vise cast for yourself, and then having to machine it yourself, just to avoid paying around 2k$ that this whole project would likely cost all in as a product... 2k is a kurt vise for a mill, and while i know a kurt and this are different things for different work, a kurt will pay itself off quickly in a good setup, where this is a bench vise, and those dont pay themselves off directly, but rather in comfort and benefits they allow you the user of them, while doing the work to pay them off...
Sorry for the long rant, but i just felt compelled to produce it... I would like seeing such great pieces made today, but if you cant do it yourself, the most likely source will be china, and then, those vices will be metallurgicaly - likely crap... Sure, they will be machined nicely, but the metal chemistry will likely be as clean as a public toilet... ``you look at ladies' johns - you could eat maple walnut ice cream from da toilets, eh, there's exceptions, but a man's? heh, piss all over da fuckin` floor, urinals jammed with cigarettes and mothball cakes... even if you keep your shoes tied and you're not draggin your laces through urine...`` that is pretty much the summation of chinese cast iron...
I'm impressed. This is exactly the process I've been looking for. Questions, if you find a moment: was the "soylent green" (ha!) a simple spray cleaner? And why don't you recommend the gel paint stripper, safety reasons or poor performance?
Thanks! The soylent green is just simple green. Just a little joke not very many people get. Lol I should have mentioned that. Oh well also the paint stripper was just less effective and took multiple coats. Jasco is what I’m use to using and its much better, but much more toxic.
That's a great little vise and a very nice restoration job. Can you share what brand and color of paint that is, and where you got it.
Thank you. The paint is Hammerite mid green. Honestly it’s not the greatest paint. It tends to chip easily but I just really like the color.
@@robinson-foundry I've seen Hammerite in European produced videos, but haven't seen it for sale in the US. That green is a great color.
Well, I just found Amazon is full of Hammerite for sale. Go figure.
Any reason why you didn't touch up the anvil square?
I'm surprised you could resist filing/reducing the machining marks on the sliding surfaces at least a bit. Since the gib is adjustable (NICE!) you could remove material without messing up the fit.
Looks great! Hey, recently I had a new garage door installed and they said to spray the springs every so often with WD-40. That doesn't sound right to me because this would wash the grease away. I saw you using what I think is white lithium grease on your vise. Would that be a better product to use on my garage door?
2:12 Soylent Green is people!
i got one and cant finish the restoration because never found a replacement for the half moon part
What was the paint that you used?
What type of paint is that?
Paint code for that green?
Hand holding nuts while grinding them is not smart and unsafe. Even a cheap pair of pliers can safely hold them and reduce your rise of personal injury. Other then that, another entertaining video.
Slightly surprised that the jaws weren’t hardened. Did you soften them off camera before machining?
They were fairly hard. I used a carbide end mill to face them.
Why did you not recommend citristrip?
The Citristrip paint stripper wasn't very powerful and required multiple coats. Also it smelled like used urinal cakes.. Not pleasant. That's why I wouldn't recommend it. I prefer Jasco.
Nice.. how much did you pay for the vice?
Ciao, ottimo lavoro! Che disco è quello che usi per lucidare al minuto 06:22?
The captions are off. Any chance you could correct them? Thanks!
After seeing Fireball tools vise, I can't appriciate any other vises..
You sound so much like TKOR and it's giving me very conflicting emotions
"Is people!"
GIVEING MY AGE AWAY NOW ASI REMBER THAT MOVIE FROM WAY WAY BACK LOL
IEEEEE!!! "Soy-lent Green is PEOPLE!!!"
Restore...??
This is why you just use your BEAD BLAST instead of all of this crap first. Might take a while but it's faster than this for sure. Also I just would've bought new bolts as I don't want to be wrenching on something and be relying on a 60 year old flat head to support what I'm doing!
Bolts…for a vice made 60 years ago in Warsaw-Pact Poland. Good luck with those thread pitches and profiles.
@2:40 Wtf would you clearly show the product you used then say you dont recommend it. Other things you used just got a snapshot. Seeemed like it worked fine.
I just bought one of these! Bought it from a guy that restores them. Paid 450!
Weren't you tempted to make patterns while you had it apart and pour another one?
1:17 In complete shock at being released.
What a phenomenal job! I like that you resurfaced the edges of the clamping teeth and left the jaws alone and pitted. The color looked like it was super close to the original too.
I've got a buddy with a vice that moves a similar fashion. I'll have to see if I can find out where they were made.