Where did the Guardians go in Tears of the Kingdom?
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- Äas pĹidĂĄn 15. 05. 2023
- My final Zelda Theory video for the launch week of Tears of the kingdom. What happened to the Guardians? Where did they and the Devine beasts go in tears of the kingdom?
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I am most impressed by the fact that the entire shrine of resurrection is just gone.
Came here to mention that. I love the rest of the theory, but structures like the shrine of resurrection being decommissioned? That doesnât really seem helpful to another calamity Ganon. Heck, it was the reason that they were able to beat calamity Ganon in the first place.
My guess (without spoiling anything) would be that it has something to do with Zeldaâs influence on the events that take place during the plot of the game.
@@0mega_galahad34 i belive its a different timeline, with the masks making me think the imprisoning war was the calamity from 10,000 years ago but without the divine beasts
while the location is still there yea. its just a pit. Maybe Ganondorf made sure it wasnt there to "save" link again? idk
@Fahlur if you go into the shrine there is actually a hole in the back that reveals that the Yiga clan stole all of the tech that was there. They also left a trap for Link in the room.
@@theredbaron745 The imprisioning war was near skyward sword era.
Gloom is 100% not weaker than malice. Gloom decayed every weapon in hyrule and direct contact with it deteriorates your life force. Malice did normal damage while gloom seems to attack people on a spiritual level. It even destroyed the master sword.
You are right, generally Iâm referring to the most form ZELDa talks about at the beginning of the game that seems to not hurt them but is slowly making people sick.
Malice feels more concentrated forming into creatures
Mist
Malice seemed to turn creatures and constructs into violent, hateful beings. Calamity Ganon seemed bent on mindless destruction.
I'm not that far into the story of TOTK, but Gloom seems to be a sort of rot. Something that eats away at hope, like a kind of sentient despair.
Calamity Ganon wanted to destroy, but Gannondorf wants to rob you of your very essence.
@TrainingFanatic I don't know where you're at in the game, but gloom spawns enemies just like malice. It also coats enemies. This is speculation, but based on what I've seen from the story, malice was a less concentrated form of ganon's essence. Also, the enemies in breath of the wild were parts of ganondorfs army in the past.
The way that it is described at least in the beginning is that the Gloom is like a mist whereas we see Malice more like a sludge. Obviously, this changes as the game kicks off and the two may as well be one and the same.
Thereâs still a guardian on top of the Hateno laboratory! Tho itâs not alive, still made me smile that one still exists in Hyrule
Glad to see that they haven't been fully lost to time.
Plot twist: Itâs still alive though most of the time it. just had itself turned off
There is also a piece of Sheika technology outside of Pura's door on the second floor. I do not know if it is there in the beginning of the game, but it is definitely there when you have all your sages (All of them) and is lit with the blue light.
Went back to replay BotW and I'm pretty sure the devs just didn't want to make a new lab. It's the same exact model.
same
I think finding broken down shrines deep underground and being able to find undecayed ancient weapons would be absolutely awesome
You can actually find the arrow tips to ancient arrows in the depths! You need to buy them from a construct, but they are still pretty powerful.
0:20 - I think itâs implied the time gap is ~6 years, the time gap between BOTW release and TotK release, which is neat. Im most basing that on Mattison being around 5-ish, and we know that she was at earliest conceived around the time of BOTW. It also fits from the Rito kid now being -13 instead of pre-10, and Riju going from ~12-13 to ~17-18. Purah being restored to adulthood is more likely her just figuring out how to fix herself lmao.
Makes sense ^_^
One of Purah's diaries does confirm she aged herself back up
one of the character entries (don't remember which one) mentions it had been a few years since link saved everyone from the calamity. so it has at least been 3 years. given teba's son and riju it's likely around 6 years like you said
I have heard a lot of people say Riju is 12, yet I thought I had read on Zelda Dungeon or the official Zelda wiki that she was only 9 years old. I am not sure which is correct. I am inclined to believe that she is probably younger than 17 because she hasn't become 7 feet tall yet.
@@keithtorgersen9664 12 years old comes from the same source of the other ages, the Creating a Champion companion book. That being said, I have actually come to believe that indeed, based on height for a couple reasons, it is unlikely that Riju has reached full Gerudo adulthood.
Where did Kass go and why has everyone completely forgotten the divine beasts
exactly
They aren't *completely* forgotten, as I think there's a side quest where a schoolteacher employs link to teach kids about them/ the great calamity. But it's wierd how barely anyone mentions them
@@leontriestoart Its interesting to note like looking at the time passage of tears of the kingdom, its been like 6 years since botw. This can be inferred by hudson's kid being a small child that can talk ok for a little tyke.
The calamity is not mentioned as much because its irrelevant to the current state of hyrule, what is important is how the kingdom has been restored over the past few years. You do have a few things like the small memorial for those that fell to the calamity made by Zelda and Mipha Court in Zora's Domain as direct tributes to the calamity's event
NPCs call the Rito Village spire "Vah Medoh's Roost"... No Vah Medoh tho
Idk why, but that researcher dude you meet in kakariko with Paya- gives off strong Cass vibes
Itâs kind of sad they removed everything, like I get slot of the things they removed, but leaving behind maybe the towers and a few dead guardian would give a much more satisfying canonical answer, especially if someone ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGED IT, just some dialogue like, âa lot of sheika tech went dormant so pretty much everything was torn down for parts since it was on longer uses full and could pose a threatâ would be SO much more satisfying than people acting the the ancient sheiks tech, a core element of the last game both lore wise and Iâm terms of mechanics, never existed is so sad. like I said, I wish they didnât remove every possible ruin and had focused some of the efforts of Romeo in every trace of both on explaining it.
Imagine how cool itâd be if they put an monument of a guardian at the Akkala fortress? I wish they took this approach
Interesting link
There is at least one inactive guardian still in the game, on top of the Hateno Research Lab. And the reason why all the Sheikah Tech was torn down is indeed mentioned in the game. Zelda feared if The Calamity returned, he could again use the tech against them. So she ordered all the Sheikah Tech dismantled.
@@NexusNine ooh really? I assumed as much but do you know where they mentioned that?
My question is how the Astral Observatory below Hyrule Castle is gone too, despite nobody visiting. In BOTW, a passageway in the Library leads to a room that is implied to be right next to the Observatory, having a Sheikah wall. Upon revisiting in Tears of the Kingdom, the Sheikah wall is replaced with stone.
I really just imagine a lot of it was mined and repurposed by Purah and Robbie for their own experiments. Either that or it was just ripped apart by Ganondorf when he raised Hyrule castle.
You can actually get the divine beast masks without the amiibo. After completing one of the four regional phenomena dungeons, talk to the person you just beat the dungeon with (Tulin, Yunobo, Sidon, or Riju) and they will give you a side quest, the reward for it being the appropriate divine beast helm.
@@DaBellOfDaBeets I do agree, but not having to pay $1500+ for amiibo to get all the armor sets is what I like about it
My current headcanon is that purah probably had them scrapped for parts to use in her own experiments.
that would track with how all the towers use guardian parts
I mean, there's still alot more gaurdians to use other than 15 towers.
@@ms.pirate Most of the guardians in BotW didn't have their full parts, sooo...
â@@scrunkore omg that makes so much sense, that's my cannon now
@@ms.pirate Yeah but most of them are non-functional
Considering for the average person in hyrule the last 100+ years have been a hellscape of guardians just flat lining everything in sight, my guess is after link finally beat the calamity they were all scrapped and broken down for parts cause i mean... lets not go through that again right?
Fr lol
What's weird to me is that the guardians and divine beasts were created by the ancient Sheikah to defeat the first rise of the calamity ten thousand years before the events of BotW, yet in TotK we see Rauru and the six sages seal the Demon King away, which must have happened even earlier, because the calamity is the Demon King's power escaping the seal and manifesting as malice. Plus we know the Zonai ruins are even older than the Sheikah ruins anyway, and Rauru and Mineru were the last Zonai.
So the sages, and the masks they wore, predated the Sheikah civilisation. Maybe the ancient Sheikah took inspiration from the legends when designing the divine beasts? Idk, at this point everything involving the Zelda lore / timelines is so screwy it's probably not worth trying to figure out.
i had a theory that the ancient calamity did not actually happen, and is actually zeldaâs story that was interpreted by the hylians/sheikah at the time to be a real event or a prophecy. i had like 8-9 paragraphs going into this, but basically it revolves around the ancient heroâs aspect. if the aspect is indeed worn by the ancient hero, and the calamity is after the imprisoning war, then that means somehow zonai technology and craftsmanship exists after all the zonai are gone, and also somehow appears in the temple of time. my theory is basically the set, the guardians, every sheikah thing, is to prepare the future hero for the reawakening of ganondorf. iâve always wondered why the tapestry depicts calamity as a dragon instead of a boar and my theory proposes that ancient hylian/sheikah artists interpreted the calamity in zeldaâs story simply as the demon kingâs draconification, hence the red maned black dragon.
another theory i have, and is probably more believable, is that the sheikah and zonai fought together in the calamity. the hero was rauruâs descendant and hence why the aspect is kind of a zonai, kind of not; and the priestess of light is also rauruâs descendant. one inherited his courage, and one inherited his power of light. the aspect was probably an ancient zonai armor passed down for generations, and the hero recalls his armor back to the temple of time (because he is soniaâs descendant too). because the events of the rauru era is still being remembered (which is suggested by the fact that the hero is still part zonai and his genes arenât diluted into being a hylian yet), the divine beasts were constructed to ensure that the powers of the sages of wind, fire, water and thunder carry on regardless if there are no one born with said power, or if the sages have no descendants. this theory is kind of special because rauruâs descendants basically carry on the fight and eventually accomplished what he couldnât, because he staked his life on their futures.
Actually it does makes sense. While emprison calamity resurface regularly. So somwhere down the line they were just tired of it and build massive artillery to obliterate anything that comes in sight (until ... well ... you know ... canons started looking your way). Masks are just not lost they can be lost further down in the history a divine beast be based on their design. Or, and i think this is a more interesting take on it : be a representation of a "divine beast" (literally this time) that exist in their folklore. It makes sense to make something that powerfull into something you believe has power ... well until your engineers tell you to f.off but i suppose this is the vidĂŠogame line :D
Looking at the Zonai constructs, their overall technology, and the shrines of Light...I think it's reasonable inference that Ancient Sheikah technology is based on or heavily inspired by that of the Zonai. Especially when we see that the Divine Beasts seem to be named after four of the ancient sages.
Not only that, but seeing as how the Champion pilots of the Divine Beasts wielded the weapons used by the sages, this context alone suggests the two inspired one another.
Also considering Rauru and Mineru were seemingly the last of (atleast the pureblood) Zonai on Hyrule, it's possible that the constructs the Zonai built became far less operable and no longer mass produced. However, there was probably still enough of them to use as a basis for the Ancient Sheikah technology.
I think another reason why don't see much left of the Ancient Sheikah technology is because of Calamity Ganon's corruption of it. After it was destroyed, I could much of the tech outright useless after a century of continued corruption. Same for the Divine Beasts after their respective Champion Spirits finally past on to the afterlife.
I think thereâs even a line about the Divine Beasts being named after ancient heroes, so the implication could be that the âancient heroesâ at the time of their invention were the four sages that wore the helmets that inspired their heads.
Yeah I think Nintendo should just stick to either "we acknowledge the zelda timeline and the restrictions it imposes" or "fuck the timeline we're making whatever game we want." They keep tickling balls going "well there IS a timeline just- hey don't question how we rewrote the imprisoning war, the zonai existed all along!"
I suspect most of the sheikah shrines and towers went back underground and also that the guardians and divine beasts were decommissioned now they knew they could be corrupted by malice because they knew it would likely happen again. (Heck, maybe it happened on a smaller scale 10000 years ago and that is the real reason the king back them ordered it buried because things nearly went very wrong)
I see people suggesting that somehow it never existed because Zelda and time travel but the tapestry still exists so I doubt that is the case.
The shrine of resurrection being gone is interesting but given that the pool where the shrine was is still healing and the fact Link is alive I think we can safely say it did exist. Given the place has been taken over by the Yiga maybe they dismantled it to ensure it could never save another hero...
Also in hateno village there are still guardian parts at the top house of the lab
I think you're theories are the closest to the truth as we'll ever get.
There are holes to the underground where a lot of the shiekah shrines were, so it's possible that some weren't completely dismantled, and instead ripped apart by the gloom creating the holes to the depths. No idea if it's where all shiekah shrines were, or just some of them, but definitely at least some.
all of the shrines on the great plateau are now replaced with the chasms
My theory is that the Hyruleans were dismantling and repurposing the tech, the Yiga clan was stealing and occupying whatever they could, the monsters were actively sabotaging the Hyruleans progress, and what remained was purposefully decimated by Ganondorfâs gloom, leaving nothing but chasms of rotten sludge and smoke where tech once stood.
Yes, itâs strange that all the shines and tech have seemingly vanished, but there are enough remnants left behind to indicate that they were indeed there.
In a sense, the entirety of Hyrule (its people and its enemies) conspired to strip mine all that remained of the ancient tech.
@@boghurt all of the shrines period Iâm pretty sure
@@envitaly No... if that were true there would be chasms in the middle and right next to every single village and town, which isn't the case. There definitely aren't 120 different chasm entrances.
Could all the old Sheikah tech have been destroyed by the Gloom/Ganondorf? If Gloom can destroy a sacred relic like the Master Sword then it could realistically reduce man-made (Sheikah-made) constructs to dust. Maybe Ganondorf wanted to avoid a repeat of BotW and, instead of taking over the Guardians/Divine Beasts again, with the knowledge that Link would know how to take them back and use them against him, he just disintegrated them all so none of it could be used by anyone (including the Shrine of Resurrection, so Link wouldn't be able to be revived again)
Another possibility is that a lot was destroyed by gloom earlier, like shrines, maybe even the shrine of resurrection. That would explain the need to making new towers.
it would have made sense to decommission the weapons, not the towers.
Yeah since they said the gloom destroyed all weapons
Then why gloom didn't destroyed weapons aswell ? It could have been even more effective !
since the guardians were being powered and held together by calamity ganon's malice it could be that after it was defeated all the guardians rapidly corroded and just fell apart into mostly useless scrap.
@@Shizn0id Still doesn't explains where this scrap is. Plus, why is there still guardian legs/arms in towers then ? :/
The only guardian I've found this the one on top of the ancient tech lab in Hateno, and I'm pretty sure the only reason it wasn't moved was because its a part of the building asset so it would be a pain to remove.
Yep yep ^_^ Iâve found that one now
Unsure, I mean they basically revamped the ENTIRE map, I doubt the assets of one more building would be too much trouble. No one even mentions the divine beasts, at least as far as I've seen 150 hours in.. I just wish they would address it SOMEWHERE. The word "Shiekah" is also almost never mentioned, Zelda mentions the "Calamity" once in a memory... Can't tell if retconned, Zelda tampered with the timeline somehow, or just lazy writing?
All that said, I absolutely adore this game.
â@@Vanstrudel sheikah is in purah's description in the adventure log
The divine beasts are mentioned; the top of rito village is called vah medoh's perch
not really, there are textures under the guardian (as seen through the crevices in the guardians underbelly) so it would be as simple as deleteing the guardiands geometry, and maybe applying a wood texture here and there
@@dazza2350 thank you, I must have missed it. It was driving me insane!
One of the most notable things about TotK, is how the map feels entirely new and fresh despite being the same one from the previous game.
Def not the same map
@@ninetailedara3802 Some things have changed yeah. General topography is still the same for most of the map though. Only places that saw a ton of change on the overworld were Death Mountain and parts of the Gerudo desert.
But still, adding in the Depths and the Sky Islands and you get a major gamechanger.
@@Frostman411 (Iâve only played ToTK so my judgment might be incorrect.) I feel the hasnât changed in those aspects either. The only thing in death mountain is that the lava cooled down. Also a chasm in the top which is where the excess lava went.
Even though sheikah tech being scrapped is pretty logical, itâs a massive undertaking considering the relatively limited amount of resources. My thought would be that Zeldaâs first concern would be making sure her people are housed, fed, things of that nature, before all the rest. Even the guardians in the remote places like Hebra and Gerudo desert seem to be gone, though I havenât explored those areas much. I was kind of hoping for Easter eggs in the forgotten temple but all of those guardians have disappeared. And thereâs the sheikah shrines- all those were connected to a physical place underground but they are gone. I donât think it is probable that they somehow buried the entirety of each underground shrine complex. We could suppose that the surface entrance was removed but that the rest of the structure remains intact.
i have and yes there gone all of them including the ones in that one temple that had like 20 of them on walls
The Forgotten Temple. Not all guardians are gone though, the ruined one on top of Purahâs lab in hateno village is still there.
I mean it's bean quite a while and nobody seems to be starving so they probably got around to demolishing them.
Even tho it doesnât seem like that, I like to imagine that shrines were kind of a pocket dimension like it totk, itâd explain they disappearing, and it also makes sense when you think about trial of the sword. (Tbc, only shrines not other sheika tech)
FINALLY someone whi thinks the same !
Even though the world doesn't seems to be starving, why would you take care of evert single sheikah tech, even the useful ones, before reconstructing Hyrule ? The whole map is still very touched by the calamity. Theory of shrines and towers deactivating and going underground again because they've got no more purpose is okay, like, why not. But that doesn't explains where the MASSIVE divine beasts were dismantled, where their parts are etc ! Nobody, even Pru'ha explains the disappearing of all that tech, even though she should be concerned about it, being literally her work.
I miss the gaurdians, they where so epic and intense. It's a shame they got mysteriously removed
Now we have the nightmare fuel that is gloom hands...
They were an epic match everytime I went against them. They were an iconic monster and fiction each one of them felt epic. Now the constructs are alright but donât have the same feel as the guardians.
I like to think that canonically the shrines vanished with their owners. They are kept there for gameplay purposes so you can redo them, but lore-wise I think they vanished. And everything else probably dissolved into that blue energy once its purpose was complete and its power spent.
the thing i have a problem with is the fact that none of it is mentioned at all. no mention of the beasts or guardians, spare for one on the hateneo tech lab, but other than that it isn't mentioned
also with the imprisoning war being at the "founding of hyrule," could totk and botw be a separate universe from the of timeline starting with skyward sword?
Maybe itâs because of the events of age of calamity it might have changed the timeline a little bit
It is mentioned, in the school.
It is starting to look like BoTW / TOK takes place in an entirely new timeline. Events from every timeline are mentioned by Zelda in Link's knighting ceremony, even Skyward Sword, which should be hundreds of thousands of years in the past at that point, so it's been long speculated that BoTW takes place in a timeline when all of the events mentioned happen in one single timeline, but that can't explain how in one timeline Ganondorf is defeated, in another Link is defeated, etc. Now we have another founding of Hyrule, this time founded by a Zonai, and Ganondorf has been sealed away since just a few decades after the founding of Hyrule. If that's the case, then how can there be any past heroes at all, Hero of the Sky, Wind, Twilight, etc? Nothing adds up. It's as if Ganondorf hasn't existed for millennia in this timeline and the only possible enemy that any past heroes could have fought is Calamity Ganon over and over again every few thousand years, as that's literally the only big bad that's mentioned.
@@gokangames5331 that would only be if totk was in the world where the calamity never happened in it's fullest
@@zerorose4011 but not the shieka tech
The Sage helms are definitely available hidden away in game. I found the Rito helm deep in a cave in the Hebra mountains. I had to complete a puzzle overseen by a Zonai statue. It was really cool to stumble upon!
if you talk to the sages again they will give you quest to find those masks
This has been my biggest problem with the game. They completely threw away the sheikah, the guardians, etc and replaced them with nearly identical zonai. They could have deepened the history of the sheikah and not basically reskinned everything for no reason besides ânew game new loreâ.
Cope and seethe
Yes and no.
I mean I agree that now Zonai is the new thing in fashion and has replaced a lot of that stuff but not everything is reskinned, pretty much only the shrines.
Like the Zonai Constructs are not reskinned Guardians because they don't act the same at all all and instead use weapons like other enemies instead of them being the weapon like in BOTW.
I think malice is a weaker variant of gloom, malice damages link but not permanently like gloom and it doesnât affect weapons.
@Jeff no malice kinda uses a bunch of parts to make powerful beings ex: the blights. Now gloom kinda does that with gloom hands and phantom ganon.
Gloom isn't weaker, it's more insidious. Gloom takes root and cannot be removed unless if you got the sun packed taste of Sunny D or otherwise can get access to radiant light like the sun. Otherwise it saps your energy and cannot be recovered otherwise and goddess help you if you take a hit from the source of gloom, which permanently weakens you. You can always recover your health 100% of the time from malice. Gloom requires special measures in order to recover from it.
@Jeff so does gloom, dont worry, youll encounter the hands soon enough.
@Jeff So does gloom. The corrupted construct in Mineru's quest shows this.
Side Note: There IS a Guardian on top of the Hateno Ancient Tech Lab.
Fun fact: You are actually able to find the divine beast masks in the actual game. I only found the naboris mask until now, in a cave in the Gerudo dessert. Which might suggest that the other three masks are also obtainable in game, if I'm not wrong. So yeah there's that
Spoilers if you havenât gotten this far
After you help each of the sages, theyâll give you a quest to get the mask for their divine beast.
The helms can be found by talking to each sage after they get they're sacred stone. To start a treasure hunting quest They decrease the cool down for each of the sage abilities
BOTW and TOTK are from the CDI Zelda timeline, for Gwonam (the wizard on the flying carpet) in the beginning of Link, Faces of evil says : "It is written that only Link can defeat Ganon". Which means that somebody heard Zelda saying it in the Zonai era and it was passed on as some kind of prophecy.
There is no other Zelda game except TOTK and Faces of Evil that talks about this prophecy using Link by name. Also Link, Zelda and the king in the CDI games kinda look like younger versions of the ones in BOTW and TOTK. So my conclusion is that Faces of Evil is set before the calamity of BOTW when Hyrule was still at peace.
Link was only allowed to become a knight of Hyrule and Zelda's bodyguard if he made a vow of silence for the rest of his life at the request of the royal family and others close to him, that is why he never talks. But in his head he is still "Let's bomb some dodongos!" and "I can do the duck walk, cool huh!?".
I doubt there's any solid evidence of those, but I will wholeheartedly accept this as canon anyways.
My first thought was it just simply... dematerialized. We see that things like the Master Cycle Zero can just turn into Sheikah energy like how teleporting people do, so itâs way more plausible that they were perfectly salvaged if all Sheikah tech can just be transported and stored as energy
Gloom is most likely the stronger version of malice.
I've got a different theory on why the Sheikah tech is gone. All of the towers and the Guardian pillars had equipment to detect the Calamity. It's possible that, when Link slayed Calamity Ganon, the towers retreated into the ground, as did the pillars and shrines. The reason the Guardians would be gone might be because they had some small emergency battery stored in them for when they needed to return to the pillars. Even if some Guardians were too demolished to move, you may be right about Zelda ordering the dismantling of the Guardians left behind.
I can understand most sheikah tech no longer being active, as the Calamity controlled much of it. However I think too little time has passed for all sheikah tech to be dismantled, especially the ones in remote areas, the divine beasts, and the guardian towers that once surrounded hyrule castle
The old house didn't just become Zelda's house. It's their house. They both lived there. It's already been confirmed that they are in a relationship and I think Zelda would see no need to have a separate study if she lived alone.
It's also the fact that it's Link's house from BotW.
tbh i enjoyed parrying guardian lazors, i am kinda gonna miss that and i hope there's some sort of equivilant somewhere in totk.
the only guardian i've seen so far is decayed and parked ontop of the akkala ancient tech lab
I'm late but for me, the best way to figure out how many years have passed is to look at that guy (idk his english name) who built a new town in BotW.
He married a Gerudo and has a child now in TotK.
That child reached an age to move to Gerudo Town, so in my opinion she has to be at least 6 years old + 9 months of her mom being pregnant, which means we had a timeskip of 7 years.
This could also be a reference to OoT, by pulling the sword, Link jumps 7 years into the future.
I just hate that they don't explain a thing and everyone pretended that divine beasts and stuff never existed, so stupid. They should've better continuity
Kind of a missed opportunity not having at least some Sheikah tech still laying around. It would have been great to see a Sheikah infused Lynel that used Sheikah weapons and a shield, maybe even a laser cannon instead of a bow. I'd also have liked to see at least a few abandoned shrines that were still accessible, just for the nostalgia factor as they were such a big part of the original game. Kinda disappointing to see them just straight up removed, especially as only a few years have passed yet somehow Sheikah tech has been completely deleted from an entire world. Kinda sucky NGL.
Iâm still hoping you randomly bomb a wall in the depths and walk through a portion of a shrine
It would have been cool to see some inactive sheikah stuff in the depths sense it was being stored deep underground.
you can still find ancient blades which are basically this games ancient arrows
i mean, the towers in totk are made with sheika tech, and the purah pad aswell, just to remind you guys.
Zelda videos with Toby quality? Cant wait to see what this channel will have
I was thinking that after the calamity then all shiekah technology just sort of teleported away into obscurity, as they had fulfilled their purpose. The Purah pad would have been Purah's replica slate that she originally used for experimemts.
I feel the biggest hole in your theory is that completely dismantling all the shrines and devine beasts as well as getting every last guardian in Hyrule would take longer than a couple years. Also they had no idea what the gloom was they just knew it was making people sick. As is mentioned at the begining of tears of the kingdom. Plus the shrines and towers were not used against them by Ganon and the shrine of resurrection was crucial in saving Hyrule so I doubt they would just up and get rid of it. Also Zelda being a archaeologist would not be happy with destroying thousand year old shieka monuments. It was probably something they got rid of for physical game purposes and did not think about how it would be explained story wise, which I find disappointing.
Considering the last cut scene of breath of the wild there was some implication that something was wrong with the divine beasts but since it hasn't been mentioned since it is still a mystery
@@emeraldpichu1 yeah, but even if they stopped working they are still giant city sized robots! Where did they go!?
@@overlordjames6644 The answer will either be DLC or will never find out
@@emeraldpichu1 probably, but I feel like that's way too significant of a thing to just barely touch on or ignore entirely in a sequel that takes place only a few years afterwards
It'd be like if there were a Skyrim 2, but it didn't talk about the civil war and the dragons
Great theory. Didnât even notice how Rudania, ruto, nabooru, and Medli have names so similar to the divine beasts.
I totally agree with how the Divine Beasts get their name from these ancient sages, which are Ruto; Rudania; Medoh; and Naboris. I've also heard a statement somewhere that the Sheikah Tech took inspiration from the Zonai tech. So they named their Divine Beasts from those sages, along with the shrines, weapons, armor, etc. Both also will activate for the hero during specific catastrophic events. The Sheikah shrines and towers activates upon the takeover of Malice of the Great Calamity, while the Zonai shrines, sky islands, and sages' temple activate/appear upon the takeover of Gloom of the Upheaval.
I don't like how they have no explanation for what happened to the Shiekah Slate either... like its just gone, replaced with the Purah Pad. What happened to Link's Master Cycle that he worked so hard for? Its just gone.
Urbosaâs Fury, Darukâs Protection, Revaliâs Gale, Miphaâs Grace, THE DIVINE BEASTS!⌠You donât truly appreciate something until itâs goneâŚâŚđđŤ
With the exception of Mipha's Grace, the Champions' abilities are all still present in a sense.
Sidon's ability is basically Daruk's Protection, but it can help keep you cool in hot environments and you can fire the water off as a projectile.
Tulin's ability is just horizontal Revali's Gale.
Riju's ability is basically Urbosa's Fury, but attach to an arrow shot instead of a charge attack.
I'd say the Divine Beasts are inferior to the temples, because they feel pretty different from each other.
Tullin is better than Rivali in every way
@@joseybryant7577 I honestly prefer Revali in terms of personality and character design. Tulin is definitely better in terms of game mechanics.
@Jeff Revali let me climb so much faster, and also made rain less of a problem.
Im willing to bet gloom is like a hyper dense form of malice, capable of spirit damage and full on lifesteal and life creation, instead of just damage and possesion. The misty gloom is the same sorta thing as the the misty malice seen during blood moons, or in hyrule castle
Thanks for the spoiler free video, I have the game but can't allow myself to play it until I've caught up on all my work, so a few weeks behind, love the new channel, keep it up!
Well with the Towers they were always a âAlert Alert Ganon is hereâ alarm, and could be just back in the ground, the guardians could have gone back into storage the ones that could walk at least
Ad the guardians that were stuck were either eliminated, decommissioned or dismantled (likely by the boko, lizathoes or Lynel) for parts
5:41 - I am willing to bet it is the latter, with the Divine Beasts perhaps being named for the Ancient Sages to honor them, with âVahâ ahead of them as a sort of âOfâ-variant, like de/O/du/dâ etc in languages IRL
Hello, i am here to spread a theory i did not make but i saw somewhere
Sheikah tech can be downloaded and teleported as seen in aoc, so they just turned the shrines and towers into data to be repurposed later, the chasms below the shrines originated from poor stability after the underground shrines were stored, same with the guardians, all for fear of them turning against them again
2:19 actually Gloom is stronger because while Malice can only harm you, gloom can break heart containers
I hate the fact that they couldâve replaced Ancient Arrows with some sort of Zonai Arrow but they just didnât
Good vidđđž and yup I believe you can collect the Champion masks in Game with no abimbo. I got Vah Rudania's from a quest given in the Goron Village after doing the Fire Temple
the supposed âsuddenâ removal of shieka tech like shrines and THE MASSIVE DIVINE BEASTS really ticked me off in the beginning
I donât really remember, but I think Iâve heard somewhere that malice was just (with a lack of better words) âinfectedâ water in ganons control. And that gloom is where malice come from. Malice is gloom, but less concentrated, I believe.
My headcanon is that they dismantled all the guardians as a precaution to prevent a 2nd calamity and repurposed their parts to construct the skyview towers. And in hindsight it's probably a REALLY good thing they did dismantle them, with Ganondorf being resurrected and all, he probably would've tried to take them all over again with gloom if they were still around.
I think gloom wouldn't have done that. It would've corroded them that they would fall apart under their own weight. Imagine that was your primary defense and it just fell apart. The Divine Beasts wouldn't have been able to be taken over as a pilot is required to use them but same thing applies, they would have fallen apart under their own weight with the decay of gloom.
You know how much stuff they would need to remove? There's simply too many gaurdiens and towers and all that which they would need to get rid of. I just assumed that Zelda's adventure caused some reality altering mumbo jumbo, causing Sheikah tech to cease to exist
Thereâs 3 answers for what happened to all the Sheikah tech and itâs most easily observed by playing both games side by side and visiting the same locations.
1. Zelda ordered the tech to be removed/repurposed. As you suggested this is a smart and practical idea. Itâs also supported by the launch towers having guardian features and art from the divine beasts. And itâs likely that all this new construction stuff is a result of having a lot of material left over from removing them.
2. Ganonâs gloom destroyed them. This is most evident on the great plateau where you can find all the Sheikah shrine locations are now giant pits into the depths surrounded by gloom. Since gloom can literally decay the master sword, I see no reason why it canât also destroy Sheikah shrines. And many shrine locations are now just gloom patches.
3. The Yiga destroyed some too. This is most likely the cause of the removal of the shrine of resurrection, as destroying a way for link to heal himself would be a top priority of the Yiga, and thereâs a Yiga base under the shrine now.
I genuinely believe that the reason for the shrines removals are a combination of all 3 answers and are dependent on which shrine and location youâre talking about.
Birdkeepertoby?! I think I'm missing some lore here lol. Great video, I'm glad you're branching out on other channels!
Did everyone who played BotW forget the ending where Zelda mentions one of the Divine Beasts has stopped moving, implying that the ancient technology had just, stopped working entirely.
The mission was complete, the Sheikah Monks had all passed onto the afterlife, the best Hyrule could do now, is tear down and use the technology for other things, like the Skyview Towers
My theory is that - much like the Sheikah Towers suddenly rose from the ground at the beginning of BotW - all the shrines buried themselves after their "duty" was complete and the Calamity went away. I think it's important to notice how even the enormous Sheikah pillars around the castle are nowhere to be found. So this is my idea regarding shrines and towers. As for Divine Beasts and Guardians, though... I honestly have no idea at all.
For people wondering why you can't find most Sheikah tech in TotK: Ever consider that it exists now as simply data? A lot of stuff in BotW existed as data before being transported into solid form, and Link can be zipped around with a transporter feature that literally seems to download him and zip him across Hyrule to his destination. Purah probably found a way to 'download' all the literal Sheikah tech in Hyrule into safe storage where it won't be contaminated again, until she can figure out better viral protection against evil infections. The exceptions to these are the Purah pad, some Guardian tech (their legs), the Sheikah towers (repurposed to the skyview towers) and their pedestals. A single Guardian remains on top of Purah's lab in Hateno, kind of like a trophy. All that Sheikah tech is now molecules converted to energy storage.
I think itâs been around 6 to 8 years in between BOTW and TOTK. The reason I say that is because Zeldaâs voice actress Patricia Summerset said that Zelda is about 123 years old in TOTK. We know in the BOTW memories that Zelda is 17 when the great calamity happens; BOTW takes place 100 years later so Zelda is 117 in that game by the end. So doing simple math with the information Iâve given we can figure out how much time has passed
About the beast masks- you can get them without amiibos! Theyâre hidden away in different caves around hyrule!
Based on Hudson's daughter age, I believe TotK takes place 4 if not 5 years after BotW.
Fun fact, that makes these Link and Zelda the oldest incarnations we have played as in the whole series. In TP, SS and BotW, Link is 17 and usually Zelda has the same age except in TP where she is about 20.
If my calculations are correct, Link and Zelda in TotK are around 22 years old.
Literally all the sheikah stuff disappeared and itâs been confusing me sense starting the game like where are the giant dumb vine beast and y does literally no one in hyrule care
the magic of time travel and alternate time lines
WHERE DID THE SHRINE OF RESSURECTION AND OUR BIKE GO
Disassembled and the shrine of resurrection destroyed by the yiga clan
I think this is supported by the fact that many locations that previously had sheikah shrines are now chasms to the depths - the gloom may have been creeping up on sheikah technology again and they wanted to prevent a second calamity
I love your pokemon theories, and can't wait to watch all of your zelda ones too!
The Mecha shut down after the battle with calamity Gannon, likely because their intended pilot was finally able to crossover having been able to complete their duties.(not to mention the mecha was making it drift into a tokusatsu series territory âgo go Hyrule rangersâ lol.)
The smaller drone, like guardians likely, were mainly disassemble to appease the minds of the current civilian citizens of Hyrule. While having a secondary purpose of ensuring the hack/possession of them never reoccurs.
5:14 You can get the champion masks via a sidequest by talking to the champion after finishing their quest, they give you a riddle that points to a place nearby.
Every DLC item minus a few, like a paraglider decal and Epona, are possible to get ingame through quests or hidden treasure chests.
You can find the masks before you do the temples
@@dominicmoisant8393 ofc if you know the location or just stumble across it by accident, yeah.
One of the four divine beast masks is found via a side quest after completing the Fire Temple. IDK if the others can also be found without Amiibo, but there you go.
Link and Zelda are definitely sharing that house, dude. You don't make a secret well for more space in a house you only use for yourself, you don't routinely set out 2 places at a table that only you use, and she wouldn't have Link's hairband if they weren't living together.
my theory is that since the shiekah slate could hold a motorbike then it might be able to hold all of the divine beasts and guardians to lock them away until they're needed again against something that cant corrupt them like gloom or malice. which also explains the missing slate, they made a replacement because the slate has all the guardian data that they dont want getting in the wrong hands. i bet impa has it on her safe.
Dont know if you have gotten a million comments about this but the sheikah helms for the divine beast can be found in totk. If you speak to the sage of the region sometime after helping their region out, they will give you a quest, once solved the quest leads you to the helms so you can obtain them without the amiibos.
I didn't realize the towers were using guardian claws to prepare you. That's cool.
One thing for critique for an upcoming channel. You made a topic tangent, which is fine, the script made sense. But if I wasn't paying as close attention as I was, I wouldn't have realized you transitioned back into your orignal point. The way you spoke was so fluid within the rambling, there was no reason to believe you changed thoughts. There needed to be some pause, or voice pitch changes etc in there for a clearer point.
Thank you I really appreciate this ^_^
@@AbsurdZeldaTheories I just hope I explained it in a way that made sense and you might know where I was referring to.
The problem I have is this shouldn't be up for theory crafting. TotK is a direct sequel, this stuff needs to be explained some where in the game.
personally, I imagine that the vast majority of the ancient shiekah tech has been dismantled in the intervening time between the end of BotW and TotK.
For one, it's known that it's possible for calamities to hijack it and thus it poses a greater threat than it does a boon. For another, the various components and materials obtained from them can be used for peaceful purposes, such as the creation of the new Purah Pad and the skyview towers.
If yall remember, at the end of botw, Zelda mentions that one of the divine beasts (vah ruta iirc) had stopped working. I think they repurposed what they could, but things like guardians and the shrine of resurrection and the blue flame that powered the tech labs were too big of an energy sink so they just don't work anymore. Probably because of the gloom, which in totk it's mentioned that the gloom has been an issue for awhile already
I think the sages in Totk are actually named after the ones from Oot. This is because Totkâs past and the Hyrule Rauru founded was most likely founded after the the main timeline.
you can obtain the sage masks also by talking to your dungeon buddy and theyâll give you clues to their in game location
In my head-canon, the untouched Sheikah constructs gradually began to dissolve and collapse on their own with all the spirit orbs gathered and returned to the goddess over the course of a 100% completion of BOTW. There are implications that these constructs are powered by the prayer and dedication of the eternally-meditating monks and are (in the case of the shirnes, as shown by the master sword trials) realities created/augmented by intense concentration and willpower vs the "real world".
It's also theorized (again based upon the opening text of the master sword trials) that the shrines are not covering vast underground areas so much as simply housing the monks' mummies - Link descends into a kind of sacred realm for the trial, then retunred to the real world - meaning the shines might be rather small and easily deconstructed.
Also in a BOTW playthrough with all memories found, there is an ending scene one can assume takes place during Zelda's rebuilding tours of the kingdom. she mentions that Vah Ruta has ceased functioning. We might assume that Mipha had ceased to haunt it by that time, leaving it inert.
So with the spirits freed, the mission accomplished, and closure gifted to those who clung to the mortal world waiting for Link, all that collective spiritual willpower breathed a sigh of relief and all that energy rejoined the goddess. As a result, all the structures retuned to basically being clay and ceramic pottery and collapsed in the ensuing years either by accelerated entropy from 10k years, or from the returning Hylian diaspora intentionally wrecking them (not knowing they were totally dead without malice or the monks willpower driving them) to prevent their return. Meanwhile, Purah and Robbie rushed to salvage and reverse-engineer what little they could.
Being Sheikah descendants themselves, they may have retained the ability to energize simple constructs, but nothing on the scale of their ancestors. Regarding the discussion about the shrines: talk about them might be minimal simply because the death of the de-energized Sheikah tech would have been extremely common knowledge for Hyrule residents and would not have been a thing well-known by people returning, since the Calamity was 100 years ago and the towers and shrines began rising well after most of the kingdom was vacant.
In addition to this, we can see from hints like Hudson's daughter that a considerable amount of time has passed between the two games, between 5 or even 10 years - and if we think about how everyone thought the tech was taboo during the pre-calmity times and compare that to how zeitgeist works in real-life... people were already moving past it only to have the falling ruins take center stage.
Think if real-life disasters and how fast we move to the next headline. 5 or 10 years is enough to exhaust average interest, not even mentioning that the main event of BOTW was 100yr prior - then it's all overshadowed by the latest disaster.
But there are still ancient blades in-game and even one guardian on the roof of one of the closed tech-labs.
But that's all just me trying to make sense of it for myself as I enjoy the game. Nintendo is notoriously weird about Zelda continuity. ^^
Even though it takes more time I think the fact that gloom makes your hearts completely unrecoverable for a time makes it the evolved version of malice or malice was gloom+sheikah tech which also explains the creatures created by it.
As itâs probably been said before, you can attain the Divine Helms in the world of TotK without the Amiibo. You just have to go out of your way a few steps ;)
The thing that confuses me most other than the divine beasts being gone, is why there were sheikah shrines un the labyrinths, which are so far removed, that no one has visited them in thousands of years. What purpose did the sheikah have for building shrines in ancient zonai ruins oit at sea, and in the middle of two different deserts?
in terms of names, there is the theory, that the sages were named after their "ancestors" (nabooru, ruto,..) and after THAT the divine beasts were named after the sages, which were named after their predecessors
My idea is the reason why nearly all the Shiekah technology is gone is because of time travel. Zelda went 10,000 years back in time to Hyrule's founding and the imprisoning war. It's possible that, intentionally or not, she caused a timeline divergence, so BOTW and TOTK are set in different timelines. Maybe the Calamity still canonically happened but this time Ganon was defeated 100 years ago. It would make sense then that over 100 years the Shiekah tech was slowly dismantled and the Calamity faded to legend. Maybe the Link and Zelda we see in TOTK are actually different people than Link and Zelda from BOTW.
The simplest explaination I can make for the disappearance of the Shiekah tech is the more functional aspects went back underground to await the next Calamity, and the broken parts were dismantled for study and recycling, or scrapped and buried.
The Shrines, the interiors at least, are still mostly there. Nearly every settlement has a shrine under it, and ripping them out would be too disruptive to the people living there; and no, Zelda does not have the authority to just order the people to get out of the way while she administers explosives. There are over a hundred other Sheikah shrines and Zelda has no where near enough manpower to dismantle them. The Towers could be dismantled and maybe several were for study. But it still would be a pretty massive operation, especially that inconvenient one in the Gerudo Highlands that rose up out of an abyss.
The functional Guardians per their programming, would have gone back in to their bunkers and underground. I think the only reason they stayed active as long as they did was that they sensed the prescence of malice. With the malice gone (controlled or not by the gunk), there was no reason to continue their patrolling.
As for the broken guardians, I'm sure Robbie and Purah were more than pleased to catalogue, dismantle, study, and rework the tech in to the new pad and and tower system. Whatever they couldn't use they probably just buried in a secret location specially set apart for it.
Short lower answer, the zone iconstructs are the guardians but they were just made smaller so they can move faster
It is comfirmed by the developer of the game why sheikah technology disappeared finally. He basically said âit disappeared, because it disappearedâ (like actually i ainât lying you guys can search, there is a interview of him explaining why shrines disappeared, and he said it disappeared because it disappeared đ)
I still think that is links house that you find zelda's diaries in. One big fact is you can still sleep there. So i would like to think they actually hooked up and obviously he has been helping her out cleaning up the country and improving the land.
I had the impression that every sheikah tech was destroyed by the gloom caused by the upheaval, and also though that the towers were eaten up by the chasms, i think i also found the top of a sheikah tower in a northern chasm on hyrule.
But i may be wrong, still, the corroding effect seems to be really focused on destroying weapons to fight against the evil, and was already proven that it is only one link required to purify the mechs, so it may be safer for ganondorf to just corrode and destroy everything.
2:20 I would argue that gloom is concentrated malice. Considering malice only took hearts whereas gloom breaks them
It makes sense for it to be a mix of things. The Guardians were taken apart and repurposed in other ways, likely both to prevent a repeat of the Calamity taking them over and also probably because seeing them would be painful and terrifying for many. They would have been constant reminders of what happened. Turn a corner and there stands once more one the things that killed thousands of people. We see a few places where Zelda had a shrine (in the more religious or traditional sense) built to honor the lives lost in the Calamity, so it's very likely she had them taken apart, perhaps even initially calling for their complete destruction only to have Purah, maybe alongside Robbie and Josha, pretty much beg to be allowed to keep and repurpose some of the parts, both to study ways to further protect them and to help with the Skyview Towers. Btw, the arms don't launch you into the air, you're launched by a massive burst of air from below.
Other Sheikah tech is a bit harder to say. Some dismantling of shrines makes sense for Purah and Robbie to research, but... Well, the ancient furnaces are gone, at least as far as I can tell, which is stated to have been what powered them and is what powered the tech Purah and Robbie had already copied as of BotW, including the travel points. Many, if not most shrines or their shrine quest pedestals have become Chasms, large and small. I think all of the Chasms are located where a shrine or its orb pedestal was, but not all of the old shrine locations became Chasms. Either way, this would suggest some sort of link. Since the shrines were depicted sending you underground, perhaps their empty pits gave the Gloom an easier time bursting from the Depths in those locations? But this connection doesn't really imply what happened to the shrines and whether they disappeared before or after the Upheaval. And as far as I can tell, no such connection exists for the Sheikah Towers. However, unlike the Guardians, the shrines and towers wouldn't have been a painful reminder of loss, instead a reminder of hope and safety, as they successfully helped Link on his journey to stop the Calamity, and the Towers and some shrines weren't even there before the destruction a century prior. As such, dismantling them seems less likely, and the only potential evidence of it lies in the Skyview Towers, having similar consoles and the launcher floor looking similar to the upper portion of a shrine's elevator. But the consoles must be different, being Purah Pad consoles now and not Sheikah Slste consoles, and even with the consoles, there's norhing from the Towers, nor is that anywhere close to all of the shrines accounted for. It also doesn't make sense they'd have gotten rid of the Sheikah Slate, even if they made their own Purah Pad that accomplishes the same thing and improves upon it.
And finally there's the Divine Beasts. More reminders of the destruction, but also symbols of hope and unity, since Link freed them from the Calamity's control and set free the spirits of the Champions, allowing the Champion representatives of each race help the hero stop the Calamity. These would be controversial, with some glad to have them around and some terrified after the display of power against the Calamity lest it be turned against them more thoroughly next time. So they may have been deconstructed, but there's no evidence of that. Like the shrines and towers, it more seems like they just vanished. Perhaps some innate feature after a Calamity, to prevent their abuse should there be a different issue between Calamity appearances. It's really hard to say exactly.
Also, the Divine Beast helmets can be found in chests around Hyrule, only one I've found has been Vah Rudaniah. And given the masks are worn by the sages, it would make sense that their names were used for the Divine Beasts. But don't bring the timeline in by saying stuff like the Darunia, Ruto, and Nabooru from OoT or Medli from WW were also named after them. The timeline is a mess now, with the Imprisoning War having been when Ganondorf was sealed in the Sacred Realm after obtaining the Triforce according to ALttP and OoT showing Ganondorf's first rise to power with the failed Civil War and the obtaining of the Triforce, and now TotK saying the Imprisoning War happened when Hyrule was founded, saying it was when Ganondorf led the Gerudo to war against Hyrule and was sealed beneath the castle, not in some Golden Land or the Sacred Realm and long before the Civil War he started, with absolutely no sign or mention of the Triforce. It just complicates matters too much.
These videos are greta, don't stop
Thank you ^_^
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Just to note, you start with 30 hearts in the beginning and when you try to finish the shrines and get all hearts, you have 40. So totk link is canonical has more vitality than botw link
OMG I JUST REALISED YOURE BIRDKEEPERTOBY! Youre pokemon vids are awesome dude
imagine my surprise when i click on a random zelda theory video, AND IT'S BIRD KEEPER TOBY!!
Tysm, Iâve been wondering since I got the game, this is a great theory
my theory (for the shrines and towers) is that they simply went underground! they would go back into the rock they were in at the start of botw. not sure about this theory entirely, but its the best one i can think of, there are a couple of questions which dont really know how to answer.
Urbosa herself said that Naboris is named after Naburu! ( Spectacle rock aiming scene)
I'd like to add, if you visit the Hateno school, Symin still recounts the events of Botw, Divine Beasts included. So what the hell happened?