Is Bandcamp dead? Now what?
Vložit
- čas přidán 18. 10. 2023
- As a longtime lover of Bandcamp both as an artist and a fan, I hope it continues to be an excellent resource for both indie artists and music lovers. However, IF that soon changes, where do we all go from there?
FREE Composition Guide eBook:
bit.ly/FREEcompositionguide
FREE Synthesis Workshop:
bit.ly/synthworkshop
My Sample Packs: store.fracturedcapstan.com/
My music:
Music Channel: / @jamesonnathanjonesmusic
Spotify: bit.ly/JNJSpotify
Apple Music: bit.ly/JNJAppleMusic
Bandcamp: bit.ly/JNJBandcamp
///////
Socials and Stuff:
/ jamesonnathanjones
/ jnathanjones - Hudba
For me BANDCAMP is more alive than ever, for me it's the perfect place to find the most original music I've ever heard.
I am being sarcastic here but when you said " How come we can't have nice stuff" sitting in front thousands of dollars of gear I have to laugh.
This is what I say when I can't afford a....PolyEvolver. 🙂
Calls a Polyevolver "nice"... that thing's gonna smack you when you turn around...
Pretty ironic lol
WHY CANT WE SUSTAIN NICENESS WITHOUT NARCISSISTIC FORCES SUBVERTING HUMAN HAPPINESS 😠
@@overciy9thquadrant992 amen
Being an artist these days is so overwhelming and depressing. Especially if you also struggle with being on the autism spectrum. So hard to keep up with everything. Gives me constant sensory overload with the amount of things you have to do and manage now.
That's by design, those who run our system don't want authentic people to have a voice at all, while making it appear we have a level playing field.
@@kirabarsmith9353 yep, and fk every single one of em for it
feel the same :)
@@kirabarsmith9353autistic not authentic 💀
I remember the time when MySpace was the best platform, it was a small but friendly community, where you could contact with your favorite artists, even if they are the big stars. You could talk to them about music gear, song writing, or about everything. Good old times :(
I think they probably had media managers back then, too … Don’t you?! 🤔
What huge stars did you chat with via their MySpace page?
I think some high profile people have asked in the past for directly being given stuff like letters so they can actually respond because they actually appreciate the connection to the fans.@@kierenmoore3236 I understand your cynicism, but the internet at that time was really really really different.
What are you talking about? We must have used different MySpace sites.
@@kierenmoore3236 haha
Pretty sure he's talking about Garage bands and shit bro.
It ain't like that when you play to small crowds in dive bars.
@@SartorialisticSavage65 lol, ah, ok! ☺️🤙🏼
I am a Bandcamp consumer rather than a producer. If it does change, I sincerely hope that I can continue to find good new music in its revised form. I have never made a serious attempt to monetize my music nor have I ever felt obliged to change what I do with my music to satisfy the manager, plugger, journalist etc., because my income stream comes from elsewhere. I like being able to buy music easily online or tickets to gigs and in so doing help independent artists labels and venues whose work I admire.
The reason we can't have nice stuff: Corporations.
And individuals smart enough to search out these possibilities from a money perspective only, and not even noticing us ants, doing the hard work for them.
As a listener having to deal with a website for each artist would be awful
If consumer-convenient platforms are untenable and unprofitable for artists, their only option is to go private. Bandcamp grew with a reputation as the safest harbor for artists. It seems likely that to many artists Bandcamp’s acquisition is the writing on the wall. At the very least, it’s no longer the safest harbor. If artists are compelled to move on they risk losing their hard-earned following. Is an artist-owned collective possible? A marketplace where consumers have access to a bandcamp-sized collection but which links the consumer to individual artist sites for purchase and download and streaming? Is that too inconvenient for consumers? It’s definitely a heavy lift for artists. Well, it’s pie-in-the-sky anyway - just a Utopian thought. Abbygregory: The banks take artists’ earnings everywhere. It’s factored into their take on Bandcamp, iTunes, etc. They would just have to factor it in for themselves.
exactly! finally someone else who actually gets it
Yes, but as one of those artists, I'd much rather you bought your music in a way that actually compensates the creators, and allows you to keep it and take it with you wherever you go, without needing a subscription or an Internet connection. See, a little initiative on both our parts, and everyone wins. ;) Cheers!
You're right. It needs someone to make a new central app / site for access to artists that hasn't been gutted and corrupted by the big three and their cohorts. Everyone seems to forget that sites like Bandcamp were once startups created by enthusiastic people.
why not have label sites only? Want this music? Gl to this label, they hire the web devs, evryone is happy.
Not to be too negative but my hopes aren't high for Bandcamp, I'm in the process of collecting all my library of purchases and uploads since using the platform for nearly a decade I've not only built a substantial library of other artists work but it's also been where I keep the majority of what I make as an independant artist. Your video does help me feel calmer as a reminder that alternatives have always existed and will continue to but I just feel so downtrodden that what was a hub for me for such a long time is in jeoprady. Thanks for making your video, I really appreciate your take on topics like this x
I'm not terminally online, and I haven't heard anything about this bandcamp situation. I had to smile a little when you said people are panicking because, for me, basically nothing has changed on bandcamp. It all works like before. People need to chill a little and follow your very legit advice of diversifying. Don't rely on any platform solely.
OKOK.. i am chilling.. allright.
Being apathetic about big picture things does not make you cool. I'd argue the opposite.
half the people at the company just got fired. being a conscious consumer does not make you "terminally online"
@@Syntox Not apathetic, more like Stoic. You can't influence the decisions behind the scenes of Bandcamp, all you can do is making yourself less dependent. Don't waste your energy on things you can't control.
It just happened, of course nothing has changed yet. But in the next months and years things could definitely change greatly.
As a similar age tech person I think your suggestion of email lists, while appearing primitive is very valuable. To widen it out people will always sell you the more complex brand spanking new solution that requires you to depend on something else. Then you are forever at risk of losing control. I fight similar battles every day
I hear a lot that email doesn’t work anymore, but the fact that I get a near 50% open rate is kind of insane compared to any other platform. A 10% rate on a CZcams video is considered very good.
The one thing that always confuses me when people say to do email lists and stuff is how are they actually effective? Most people get such a high volume of fluff emails that it makes it difficult to find something you actually want to see, I spend a lot of time unsubscribing from the emails i don't want to see but it still seems like it's never ending. it might be a generational thing, but unfortunately I don't know anyone in my age group who checks their email for anything other than work/school (in which case it's a separate email account) or for password reset / two step auth codes :(
I'd say if there's an artist that you're genuinely interested in, you would follow them on many different platforms and I'd personally be excited to see an email from them.
Email absolutely still works. The difficulty is finding a way to consistently provide value that will make people want to opt in/stick around.
For me, this has meant getting better at writing and sharing my own experiences via short form platforms and CZcams in addition to continuing to release good music. It all works together.
It’s more work than most people are comfortable with, but to me it’s worth it and better than feeling overwhelmed and aimless.
The main value of email is, as Jameson says, no one can take away your connection to your audience if you have their email addresses.
If discord goes down, Facebook blocks you or someone steals your Twitter account, you lose all your connections to people. The platform owns your network.
Email let's you connect on the most basic and robust level.
If you have valued customers you can recover many of your connections via well-worded emails and migrate them over to another Comms method if needed.
You're dead right. Email lists might work for certain demographics (old people) but most do not check their email regularly and when we do it's all spam.
Same reason why we *ALL* have entirely separate emails for business inquiries...
Companies and people who really know what they are doing with marketing love email lists and it isn't a generational thing for them. If the target are young folks they have no problem using email lists, email are super powerful. Of course that depends on the niche and what they are selling too. When it comes to selling courses and education it works really well. When it comes to listeners, i haven't seen that personally, probably not the best because when it's about just listening music, people want an app to listen and that's it. Great for big streaming companies, bad for artists. That's one reason why selling knowledge and courses is becoming the way to go for many musicians and artists in general. But yeah, i mean newer generations are funneled with social media for the most part IMO.
Doh! Now I’ve got to start downloading the hundreds of albums I’ve purchased over the years just in case bandcamp closes shop.
If Texaco buys Bandcamp next, the access to fuel rewards points would truly be next level. I'm digging the "A Beautiful Mind" energy. Charge on good fellow!
I know this is was meant to prepare us for any worse case scenarios, but it left me feeling really inspired for some reason.
I've seen so many platforms rise and fall that at this point, I just don't care. If I need to move, Ill move. Right now, I don't see the need to panic. Unless something actually starts to change, its not productive to do all this hand wringing and fretting.
I agree. Especially you already have a plan in case one platform goes away.
_You_ may be used to it, but every day there's another shell-shocked creator losing access to years of work on their CZcams channel.
We can never have enough reminders that these platforms do not belong to us, and we should be proactive not complacent.
I really appreciate the positivity of the message in this video.
This is a really thoughtful and interesting commentary on what may happen and how to deal with it, thanks!
I didn't even know until now that Bandcamp was sold, seems like I'm really disconnected nowadays. The news worries me a bit, I really love Bandcamp both as an artist as well as a listener. Let's hope this turns out well somehow.
these insights are greatly appreciated, nathan. ❤
wow this video is just a great talk. I love the quote at the end, they really are words you can live by - choose a thing that's worth doing and its going to be tough and tortorous, but it will be worth doing, because you chose it.
I really don't care about following individual artists (sorry), as a music lover I want to find good music and this is what Bandcamp does best. Nobody wants 100s of extra emails from individual artists. Anyways, lets hope Bandcamp does not die because I really see no alternative right now.
Bandcamp sucks! They keep 15% of your digital sales/PayHip keeps 5%. They have streaming on their platform but don't pay artist for those streams. If you tested out for yourself what Spotify pays per stream, you'd learn and earn a lot more doing your own research. As far as music discovery, it's called a search bar. Every competing platform has one, the internet is literally one giant search bar. CZcams has a search too, do you not see it? what makes bandcamp better?
As a fellow music lover and aspiring full time producer, I can understand not wanting to follow individual artists, I'm the same way yet I want to make a living off music, its like I'm contradicting myself sometimes.
Great philosophy. You're a lot further along in the journey than I am in some respects (though I've had music featured on top network TV shows etc.), but I am now in what I would call phase 2 of my journey - Making music I want to make, doing work that's adjacent to it (in my case, synth restoration & sales), and attempting to build a CZcams channel/website etc. to funnel relevant content into. Cheers, and thanks for the positive vibes.
Synth restoring channel, ok I am in! Care to share?
Very on point video. For someone that as a consumer has recently found Bandcamp and started using it as a way to get music that you won't find in the popular streams, it has been bad news too. I was skeptical already when Epic bought them (seriously, these guys? A videogame company? That isn't really much loved by gamers either). But whatever... there's this trend that has been doing the rounds the net these days. That we sacrificed independence for convenience, and let these companies own our content, our creations, our media, our Internet.
But we never lost the chance to do it the old Internet ways.
Bandcamp sucked anyway. They keep 15% of your digital sales/PayHip keeps 5%. They have streaming on their platform but don't pay artist for those streams. If you tested out for yourself what Spotify pays per stream, you'd learn and earn a lot more doing your own research. As far as music discovery, bandcamp is search bar with tagging capabilities. Every competing platform has that, the internet is literally one giant search bar. CZcams has a search bar too, what makes bandcamp better? bandcampers are so culty 😂
Sacrificing independence for convenience. I see several responses here about how inconvenient it is to receive emails, or to seek out music from multiple decentralized storefronts. 🤦🏿♀️
@@partymarty6969 It's not about how "great" or unique Bandcamp (or _any_ platform) is. It's about how artists have become overly reliant upon it.
Yet another de facto "internet utility" which is destined to collapse sooner or later. People have to remember this, and act accordingly.
@@crnkmnkyI get what you’re saying but there’s also a lot ppl saying that bandcamp is the best for a number of reasons, which is actually false (and I already explained why). I mean … just read the comments, there’s plenty of ppl using these words.
Great Video, and true words. Thanks.
you can do air-quotes with your facial expression and voice tone 👏
Yup totally agree! We should all be doing these things anyway if we want to get our music out there.
Well said. Plans B, C, D . . . are becoming more and more essential. CZcams (Google) is showing new (to me) cracks. Josh, the indispensable MusicTechHelpGuy, recently reported that CZcams was taking down links to his Logic Pro tutorial projects because they were inappropriate, which is bonkers. Response from CZcams has been mostly crickets and no resolution. So, he’s doing exactly what you’re suggesting - creating his own website to host those files.
I have lots of opinions about late-stage capitalism, antitrust, and wealth distribution. But music focus groups on social media are such miserably poor platforms for those conversations. The Moog story very quickly became a cluster-fuck of ill-informed speculation and virulent cynicism.
Which is to say that I really appreciate your constructive approach.
Thank you.
message to the current bandcamp owners- dont try to fix what's not broken
"But what about our shareholders?" - suits
The postage prices are criminal. Not to mention the inability to buy multiple items from one artist to be sent as one package.
I agree that having your own web and e-mail is a good basis. I also agree that performing live is important. With today's technology, we can easily live stream via CZcams or Zoom and also save the concert as content on your channel. Someone should start a channel with live club gigs. The technology exists just like the need to bring audiences back to the clubs. (No, I don't think people would stay at home then. On the contrary)
wonderful video
I found your channel fairly recently, and I really appreciate the level-headed energy you bring to your videos. The things you present always come across as honest, well thought out, and balanced, and this is no exception. I am concerned and a bit bummed like many about this (on top of the Moog thing) but just going into an "I hate capitalism" rant (because who doesn't?) doesn't really offer solutions....so thank you for actually doing so! I also just remembered to follow you on Bandcamp because of this, haha! Can't wait to check out your music!
Thank you Heather! Really appreciate that!
No need to re-opt in actually. You “own” the existing opt in, even if you change email platforms. Great vid!
I don't have any particular feelings on Bandcamp, but I got your newsletter email and it was like someone put a mirror to my face and I could suddenly see clearly "shit... I do that a lot. I should try to change that." That's the really hard part but appreciate you putting it in a way that made me see it.
It just human nature. I have to remind myself as well.
I love that you still call it twitter 👏🏾👏🏾
Plus when you upload a new track. Bandcamp don't put it on their main page. Even if you search the genre and narrow it down to your location. There's nothing there unless you have a massive following. So it's really hard for your music to be found unless you know the specific artist name. They should give more people the chance to be discovered.
Almost thought you were playing 'On The Nature Of Daylight' in the background.
This channel is amazing. The opposite of a “others”
Thanks for this video. It shows us all how critical Bandcamp is as a concept, if not the site itself. The climate of streaming services has been so very awful to creativity and independent music. In the end we don't need centralized services to sell music and communicate with fans.
the only aspect of being a musician that I enjoy is making the music and performing. idk if I'm gonna enjoy the other parts I have to do to make a career of it, but I don't wanna do anything else so heaven help me
Well said.
Thank you for this video, I was planning to do exactly this to stay independent and not have to allow others to earn off my hard work.
As an artist on bandcamp, I'm one of the biggest fans of the platform out there. I'm not so sure that the Songtradr acquisition is a deathknel at all. Seemingly, songtradr is more connected to the industry than either bsndcamp or epic games. I'm not sure that they bought it to kill it. Having said this, I'm now also beginning to use Patreon as a way to reach out and get paid.
great video! but im a little distracted by the poly evolver(?) in the back :D DO you have a video featuring
that?
nevermind, i found them :D now i just need to make some coffee and binge them all
Right of First Refusal laws would force companies to sell to the employees if they want to collectively run it as a co-op.
Having your own storefront is a terrible reversion to the 2010s.
thanks!
ps/for me one of the main problems of bandcamp is huge commissions and payments only through paypal
I think that, if any artist does his own "thing", it get's harder for people to just buy the music. Every platform has its own account, and any shop would have that, too (or maybe not by using PayPal, but this one has its downsides). I have to admit that I find Bandcamp quite nice (more so than buying music on Apple iTunes or Amazon, or needing a Spotify account or whatnot).
I understand what you mean, but today people follow people (the artists themselves) above all. If someone is a real fan, they will look for ways to support you. Just have to provide 1) something they love/enjoy, and 2) a way for them to support you.
True. Gone are the days of your music taste being defined primarily by what radio stations you listen to or what your circle of friends like. It’s decentralized to the point where I just follow people.
But OP is right about the annoyance of having to go all over the place. Ironically, this is why I casually refuse to use Epic Games. I really don’t need Steam, Epic, whatever that EA store is, and the endless list of everyone trying to get in the action like Ubisoft, etc.
I can tell you that there are some artists I just don’t follow because I don’t want to be on Facebook or instagram or twitter. That stuff all comes with too much baggage that I don’t need.
@@JayM928 Yeah, definitely not Facebook and The-Platform-Formerly-Known-As-Twitter! Instagram I do use (for photography), but I would not use it for music (not well suited for that, and I nearly never look reels and have the sound permanently switched off).
Bandcamp sucks! They keep 15% of your digital sales/PayHip keeps 5%. They have streaming on their platform but don't pay artist for those streams. If you tested out for yourself what Spotify pays per stream, you'd learn and earn a lot more doing your own research. As far as music discovery, it's called a search bar. Every competing platform has one, the internet is literally one giant search bar. CZcams has a search bar too and ya’ll are here already lol! what makes bandcamp any better?
@1:12 ...& k's on equipment with the time to learn to configure it. It's literaly a passion!
How do I find, listen and buy misic these days that supports the artists?
I genuinely don't know how I have to do that these days.
I don't want to get a spotify account, because I think it wouldn't benefit the artists.
Please help.
Self-hosting is a great solution for the artist, but not so much for the fan...
I'm on both sides of the fence here, being someone who self-hosts as well as one who buys music on Bandcamp.
I really enjoy the convenience of listening to music on the app and it's a great experience to travel from one artist to another, so I think "discoverability" is a huuuge factor here.. Especially, since I've noticed that most folks tend to prefer to just stay on the platforms they're on, it can be tedious to try and redirect attention toward our actual work.
Perhaps, if we had some kind of "fediverse" option 🤔💭
i built my own website to subvert bandcamps blatant betrayal.
Not on social media much, happily so. Sorry you’re affected.
Everyone talking about rip bandcamp but I don’t understand, my payments still come through daily and 1 track nets me more than my entire discography on Spotify lol
I mean, you’re already on CZcams. If anything was to go bad with Bandcamp you can always upload your music to PayHip and direct your fans there. PayHip only keeps 5% of your sales, whereas Bandcamp keeps 15% (transaction fees apply on both platforms).
I do quite well on Spotify.
Hyperbole. But half the staff was locked out of their systems, and now they're fired.
So, take precautions and don't get caught slippin'.
This video was too good. You probably know that. Thank you.
Man i really enjoy bandcamp tho its so unique compare to other music playforms why does it have to go i loved it
some things should be protected from sale like historic buildings
I'm curious if some of this is to use our music to train AI models. I heard some licensing services are starting to add that to their agreements.
As someone with a friend who was just laid off from bandcamp , the “nothing has really changed” refrain is hitting my ear kind of funny. In the one sense, nothing has really changed because the platform was continuing as it had been.
On the other hand… nothing changed for the good either. Epic stopped investing in enhancements to the platform and instead had bandcamp staff working on Fortnite and other game related things. Bandcamp has been on cruise control for a year and I suspect it will remain that way until parts start to break down or there’s nothing left in the tank.
It's true that we have more control but don't misread that. The industry is way more chaotic, unskilled, trivial, less lucrative (it's fact not an opinion) with fewer straight lines to success. Yes you read all that correctly. Do not glad hand yourself into summing all this up as "having more control." Sure we have more control, because nobody gives a shit about what we do because nobody can actually find us among a sea of other "I guess I'm just here" artists all trying to figure out individually where to get herded off to next while never actually taking hold with an audience we can never really identify or connect with. The audience can't see the forest for the trees.
Success by todays standards is a pale reflection of really anything from the 60's to 2000. Maybe the 40 years or so when everything seemed to actually work was an anomaly but I tend to think it was an indication of what TO do and not "what to avoid." There were a few powerful funnels within a structured system. Now everything is a funnel which means nothing is. And if there's a structure, it's new, insignificant, conservative, and obtuse. Essentially inaccessible to 80% of people who used to be able to participate, even if it was at the fringes.
Sadly you have a very strong point.
The major benefit of Bandcamp is (was?) that it is a well-known single access point for quality independent artists. If every artist has to do this on their own, and you have an individual and possibly different access point for each of them, they will be very hard to find.
I was perhaps kinda fortunate to have almost no attention on bandcamp, before this happened.
If I had the money I would make a Music page and Music app. If I knew who to go to. It takes a lot to be great at what you wanna do.
If you are an artist or label on Bandcamp, backup your data and files!
I think Patreon is still alive and kickin it with the new features. I'm becoming an independent artist myself and considering this option
Yeah I saw that they’ve made some upgrades. Worth checking into.
The new Patreon changes are awful.
@@tristen_grant Admittedly I don't use them and haven't looked into it yet.
Have you tested what Spotify pays you per stream? If you upload music and test out what they pay per stream, you’ll learn and earn a lot more testing everything for yourself. Bandcamp doesn’t even pay artist for the streams they receive on their platform. and from my understanding, you need to pay $10/month for Bandcamp Pro to disable stream. That’s so messed up smh.
One time at band camp
Wave goodbye to Bandcamp fridays shortly.
WhaAt?! It's the only place I buy music from! Maybe it's time now to shave beards, beards always lead to catastrophe.
punch in the gut how ? im still getting the same as before - I don't depend on streaming only o sales of tracks
No more Bandcamp? Back to piracy then...
imo epic only cares about profit. that aside, When BC first came out it may have been a place for some people to discover new music. but from my perspective it was never as popular as acidplanet, soundcloud or even spotify or kazaa.. pretty sure i had more followers on myspace and soundcloud than bc. and barely sold any music, because everyone wants everything for free unless youre already a mainstream or clubbing musician/band/dj with some sort of merch.. ive learned producing music is relaxing and enjoyable, like self medicating, but trying to build an audience and make money is near impossible unless youre already playing clubs, in a big city, or have already worked in the industry decades before in some capacity like sound designer or engineer, etc. its a beeoch and depressing tbh. so ive just tried to reiterate to myself, my original principle when i first started making music. its a hobby, i do it for my own enjoyment, to make music i like to listen to and making a living at it isnt my priority.
Something like Bandcamp really needs to be run by the musicians using it as some sort of collective whee they all have shares but nobody has enough to really control or sell it.
So what you're saying is that it's a good thing I didn't go for the job postings when it was owned by Epic.
boom!
Are they gone? Sold yes but gone? Damn, damn, damn!
As I mentioned, nothing has changed yet except the ownership and layoffs. No way of knowing what their plans are for the future.
Bandcamp sucks! They keep 15% of your digital sales/PayHip keeps 5%. They have streaming on their platform but don't pay artist for those streams. If you tested out for yourself what Spotify pays per stream, you'd learn and earn a lot more doing your own research. As far as music discovery, it's called a search bar. Every competing platform has one, the internet is literally one giant search bar. CZcams has a search too, do you not see it? what makes bandcamp better?
You think maybe more people will really embrace the indie route with spotifys new rules?
INSTA SUB FOR YOUR REALNESS!!! SALUTE TO YOU💪🏾👑🙏🏽
Wow. yeah I heard this news yesterday and thanks for the quick video. Digital Marketers, including some you included in your Content video a while back have been advocating this for a while. We don't control the platforms but we can control how we communicate to our fans via email and superphone/chat
Yep. I think there’s truth to what a lot of those people say, I just also think it’s easy to lose sight of why you start making “content” in the first place. You can use content to feature your art without allowing it to just use you to sell ads.
No matter how good Bandcamp has been for artists, it is just another platform which we don't control. It is given way too much responsibility for direct connection to fans.
It already happened with CD Baby: they shifted to focus on Spotify distribution, and shut down hundreds of artists' storefronts. These layoffs are a reminder that Bandcamp could easily disappear, just like MySpace or Ⓜ️🅿️3️⃣ dotc0m.
*P.S.* _Not having to intentionally misspell words like a dystopian imbecile is yet another benefit of communicating on platforms where inscrutable moderation bots aren't constantly deleting comments for no good reason._ 😒
Good thing I still have my CD collection.
🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉
Dang, I just made an account with them 😢
The future doesn't look good but saying it's dead is very exagerated
Yeah. It is a reminder that diversity in your income streams is crucial to survival as an artist or content creator or basically self employed person of any kind. It’s annoying and exhausting but I guess it will always be the name of the game
Bandcamp has only ever been the best of a bad lot, anyway. It still doesn't support gapless playback. FFS, we had that in the 1970s on vinyl. Why does new tech always seem to lack basic features that are as old as the hills? I want an upgrade, not a crossgrade. I've been irritated by the gapless playback thing for quite a while now - it's a ubiquitous problem with modern music services. What are people supposed to do if they want to listen to a work of art that flows from one track to another, but they have to put up with little glitches all the time? It's OUTRAGEOUS. Why is this considered OK?
Well, you could do what i did on my first CD, which is actually what the vinyl records also did: Make one long track of it. On CD it is even possible, when you go to a mastering facility, to create sub-labels and titles for each of the parts in that long track. Sadly most modern CD / DVD players do not display that information anymore.
There is no other alternative for this since the official CD format (red book) requires a 2 second interval in between tracks ...
For info: The CD name is "Hatching", recorded in 1992 by Ron Boots at his Dreamscapes studio, Stemra LC6479 CUE-1101 and the tracks are #1 and #5, each divided into 2 subtracks.
If you contact Ron or any mastering facility, they can give you more information on this.
Bandcamp sucks! They keep 15% of your digital sales/PayHip keeps 5%. They have streaming on their platform but don't pay artist for those streams. If ppl tested out for themselves what Spotify pays per stream, they’d learn and earn a lot more doing their own research. As far as music discovery, it's called a search bar. Every competing platform has one, the internet is literally one giant search bar. CZcams has a search bar too and ya’ll are here already 😂
@@agerven 👍 CUE files
@@agerven Many thanks for the details. I have authored a CD myself so I remember some of this stuff, although I thought the 2-second interval was optional, even in the official format, but maybe I got that wrong. If I play a CD like JMJ's Oxygene, there are no glitches between the parts, yet the track number counts up, so there is obviously some way to do it, whether that's by ignoring the standard or by using subtracks. I suspect the standard is flexible.
There's another issue as well, which is that people will rip to formats like MP3 and end up adding silence because it rounds up to the next block of data. CD tracks are always multiples of 1/75 second, but that's something people only become aware of if, like me, they've authored CD tracks that are intended to loop when played as WAVs (I learned the hard way!) Lots os subtlety here, but I just wish all of this had been anticipated when new audio formats such as MP3 began to be used.
👍👍
Discoverability is actually high not sure what you mean.
You just have to be prone to doing it.
Not to brag, but yeah, someone like me.
And I don't only use BC, I also hit record stores and talk to collectors.
Like I'm highly into Rock N Roll. Both new and old. It's a lifestyle. As far as BC: stuff like Neo Garage Rock/Garage Rock Revival/Punk/Surf/Rockabilly; I think you get the idea. I even ran a CZcams channel highlighting my discoveries for a while. In a way that it mattered. Stuff that most people weren't getting a hold of. People around the world (not many, but they exist) rely on my curation.
And with that being said, there are definitely people more successful than me in this haha. But I kinda like being elusive and I'm just making a point.
How Bandcamp was worth 1/4 billion last year but then is purchased by a company not even generating $50 million in sales is very perplexing.
The answer is simple: Arson.
Selling recorded music in an era of free recorded music ? Bravo, that's like selling ice cubes to Eskimos.
Wait... are you telling us we have to WORK?!! 😅
"Artists bad. Now laugh"
There has never been a good online music platform. Play local shows, talk to real people, touch grass. It's the only way.
I might be really weird for this, but we need a serious return to something like RSS feeds. Then everyone can have their own sites or publishing set up, connect directly into browser or rss specific app with fans.
1999 was the best year ever! 😀
Wait WHAT?
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
I have basically ALL my digitaly bought music on there !!!!
Nothing has officially changed yet, but there is new ownership and significant layoffs. The future is uncertain.
It was never alive first place
Almost as if giving massive shareholder-driven corporations the power to run our lives is a bad idea
why do people think free things will last forever? does anyone understand how much it costs to store music nobody listens to or pays for? wow. you should be rug pulled.
Being laid off isnt fun. But I would wait and see in terms of the Bandcamp situation. The best way would to have everything on your own server and website. So you control everything yourself. All services can shut down whenever they feel like it. So I am going to export my CSV file now... Take care. I am a huge fan of baby-venus. ;)
Can't you just setup a store on your band's website and fulfill directly if you have to? Most artists on BC aren't selling much physical product anyway I imagine so it's not like you'll be a full time order fulfiller.
You could use the narrative of the gutting of BC and the community to do outreach and drive traffic to your personal store. That way you're not depending on whatever tech startup ponzi scheme becomes the trendy flavor of the year platform.
Email lists are just annoying these days. WAY WAY WAYYYY to many artists that force and email subscription( but hey you can unsubscribe at any time), has just soured me completely on email "lists" and nearly every person I talk to about them feels the same. It's intrusive and ends up just being spam.
Moog had it coming for years. Bandcamp? Probably too but for entirely different reasons. E.g. Spotify.
Clickbait title. Bandcamp is NOT dead. And it will not be too soon anyways. Bandcamp selling point it will not change. If that changes it will not be Bandcamp it will be something else. I will not talk about something that it didn't happen yet, is a useless topic.
While the title is a clickbait, the worry about bandcamp getting worst is legit. This lays off shows that songtradr don't have a good balance between wanting more profit and keep the quality of product. Just like the justify this move by keeping bandcamp "healthy financially" they could remove bandcamp daily or bandcamp friday for the same reason
@@hiphopheaven this is a company made for profit... not for our fun and pleasure from their pockets. Bandcamp is big, is not a small website anymore. It will be here... But things will change, like allways do.. With the trends, markets, interests, and of course like any other business, they will folow the money. I will wait and see what's what... But def it will not die.