How I Became a World Famous Tech House DJ In My 40s - Chapter & Verse
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- This is a truly incredible story.
Chapter & Verse decided to become a DJ in his late 30s. People judged him for making that decision.
Fast forward to today, and his continuous rise is staggering. He is now one of the most well-known names in the tech house scene globally and has headlined shows around Europe and USA!
He currently has 600k+ monthly Spotify streams and is a regular in the beatport top 20 global charts.
Not only that, he has collaborated with the likes of Steve Aoki, Dimitri Vegas, Joel Corry and has tracks on labels such as Toolroom, Hedix and Ultra Records.
This is the incredible journey of Chapter & Verse!
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I learnt in Ibiza while standing in the DJ booths that most big named DJ's are really just producers that can DJ a little bit. Some of the best DJ's I've seen aren't that well known
For music like this yes you are definitely right when you get into music with more depth a lot of the big name DJs have been doing this for decades and were DJs before producers and as such are still good DJs however as these are DJs from the 80s and 90s they are all getting on a bit and over time more deeper genres may also turn out like the highest paid DJs that play the more commercial stuff.
Pole folder , Guy j , Sebastian leger , kamilo sanclemente are all amazing DJs and pure artists
Factos
Yup!
@@mintomax2 I was a full time DJ myself in Ibiza, I was a nobody, but I got to warm up for some of the big names of the day. Some were really good, some were truly terrible at Djing. It was kind of different back then, it was harder to blag because mixing vinyl was just about still the main way to DJ, although some had started to use CDJ's with BPM displays so you knew where to put the pitch at least. Some of the technically bad DJ's I liked still tho.
Bottom line: DJing is about who you know.
100
yep.
Yep its just playing other peoples records after all….I think crowds when they fawn at the dj forget the dj never made the tune they love. They just put it on! 😂🤣✡️
It's not who you know... it's who knows you.
@@Ari5totl3 thats the same thing lil buddy. Nice try at being clever tho….
Back to the drawing board….🤷🏿♂️
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🚀 Chapter & Verse became a DJ within three weeks, starting with a set of decks.
04:26 🎧 Persistence and consistency are crucial in the music industry; keep pushing even after setbacks.
09:17 📧 Chapter & Verse sent demos to around a thousand labels to get his first track signed.
12:21 💪 Maintain your authenticity and don't change to fit into someone else's mold in the industry.
17:22 🎵 Stick to your chosen sound, develop it, and don't be discouraged by others' success.
18:50 🎵 DJ Chapter & Verse emphasizes the importance of quick creative ideation when producing music, suggesting that spending too much time perfecting tracks can hinder productivity and creativity.
20:45 💡 The key to success in music production is quantity and consistency. Rather than obsessing over a single track, it's more effective to create multiple ideas, select the best ones, and finalize them.
21:53 🌎 DJ Chapter & Verse emphasizes the reality that most people, even in the music industry, won't recognize or know who you are. Staying grounded and understanding that only a fraction of the public is aware of your work is important.
29:55 🔊 When testing the potential success of content, DJ Chapter & Verse recommends using platforms like Twitter to gauge initial audience interest before promoting it on platforms like Instagram.
34:36 🎧 DJ Chapter & Verse discusses the challenges of DJing and the importance of adaptability during live shows, highlighting the need to carry enough music and adjusting the tempo based on the audience and venue.
38:23 🌍 DJs may feel like they're well-known, but in reality, most people outside the music industry don't recognize even famous DJs like David Guetta.
40:16 🏠 Building a home studio can be a game-changer for music producers, especially during times like the COVID-19 pandemic.
41:11 🎶 Consistency is crucial in music production; releasing tracks regularly can lead to unexpected success.
42:51 🚫 Bootlegs might not always be the best approach; it's essential to stick to your roots while experimenting occasionally.
45:43 🌐 The UK music market can be challenging to break into, even for established DJs and producers. It requires persistence and hard work.
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🔬you think like me_love you bro_let's go_oh its made by AI_yea I have a robotic way of thinking for sure tho'
I'd add at 42:00, he notes that when you're releasing music, stick to the one genre that everybody knows you before. Make it big before experimenting.
Step 1: know people in the industry
Step 2: have a ghost producer
Step 3: become worldwide touring dj
This is globally what I got from this as well
and some luck
This might well be the case, and there are definitely people like that out there, but a lot of the advice he gives is legit. When I first started writing techno, my first 3 tracks I sent to 80 labels, got them signed within 2-3 hours. Where the labels huge? No. Am I a global superstar, CLEARLY NOT and probably most likely, almost definitely will never be. But the music got out there, and then more music got out there and it kept me going and the whole thing keeps me happy.
Lol. The Fisher playbook exactly.
As a guy in my early 40’s you’ve really made me stop and think about what I want to achieve. What a great story. ❤
the hidden story I got here is it is all in who you know, connections. If he didnt have the friends he has this would not have happened. How many of us are going to get a call to open for a major act inside a month of picking up the art?
Im 43 and started last year. This summer i have had 6 gigs and going to play on a forest rave next weekend. Its never to late to Dj if you love music 🙏
@@theaverageguy3884 I'm 43 and started March this year.
@@andrewk9241 sure, while that's part of the story, he still showed up every day and did the work. There are lots of people who have connections, but if they don't do what it takes, it won't get them far. Credit to him for making the best of his opportunities.
@@andrewk9241if you don't mind me saying, this is quite a negative perspective to have.
Yes, his connections clearly gave him his job break, but there's so much more to the interview/podcast than that.
His connections didn't make people enjoy his music. You can build connections over time.
The power of connections is a massive lesson from this. So let's all make some connections. :)
Im 42, I had decks about 20 years ago and loved it but my life took another direction and got rid of them. Now Ive just bought some more and getting back into it. This is inspiring.
Lol just like me - still got my technic decks and vinyl and a pioneer sdj-sx i think it is. Used to spend a fortune on music back in the day. Every week on juno, order em and then home at lunch when they got delivered to work ready for a session at the weekend. I got pretty good but mever pushed myself into gettings gigs etc. kids etc got in the way and it fell by the wayside. Just dug the pipneer out the loft this week and bought some studio monitors along with a beatport trial. Also installed ableton and fancy a dabble at that too. Time still a factor for me as well though with work and kids. Good to have the music back again though. Ive missed it. Life too short innit! Whizzes by.
Only managed to get 5 minutes in to this😵💫 Being given your first set warming up for a world famous headliner before you can properly DJ is insane 🤯
He's an insane human being all around. 😂
Connections 👄🍆
Yea this is pathetic and insulting to the craft. Posers used to be called out, not congratulated
5 mins in "so basically it's who you know not what you can do"
@@user-hajdiYes you need to network if you want to make it in the entertainment industry. It’s not a secret
Super fascinating listen! This just got randomly reccomended to me, but overall really insightful podcast!
Played Gottwood in my early 50s last year and smashed it. Never too old.
I started producing at 30, now at 37 I’m competent and found my sound. Definitely felt my age coming into this field, glad to come to have come across this knowing it’s still possible
There's no age limit to music. GO FOR IT!!!
Never too old to do a Guetta and sniff some lines on the tables and smash some birds after
@@xgtwb6473sounds amazing
I’m with you brother. Inspiring story. Also early 40’s. Good luck!
How’d you learn?
Shocked by how confident he sounds about sounding different, guy sounds like every tech house sleeper dj ive ever heard.
Right? Lmfao. Love the character but his music is as generic tech house as it gets. Fucking wish I'll look as good as him at 40 though. Bro is youthful
100%. Dude's had industry contacts for years, definitely comes from money, and has one of the most generic, boring sounds in the industry. Every song the same etc. No hate though. He knows what will take him to where he wants to be and he's done that. Hope he continues to slay.
This is a prime example of it’s not what u know it’s who you know
Not really man he have a ton of nuggets about how to market yourself and just grind. Dude is a straight hustler.
He clearly had some industry contacts. But he has charisma and drive. All success to him.
If you want to be a ‘big’ DJ you basically have to be a producer that makes a hit track it’s that simple. There are so many unreal technical DJs out there who can put down an amazing set with great tune selection and amazing mixing, but they’re not going to get the bookings compared to a producer who has a track that’s being played out in the clubs. These producers then have to learn how to dj on the fly once a track gets picked up. Fortunately, for us as punters there is sync button now so anyone can DJ to a degree. Anyone who used to go to any DNB raves back in the day knows the absolute clang fest that could happen on the turntables when producer DJs would get on the decks as opposed to the real DJs
Synch button is not fortunate I’d like to hear producers trying to best match and failing. The industry needs to change. DJing should be done by DJs.
@@trancevoyagesessionswhats the sync button? 😂🤣😂 Vinyl only here 😎never made the switch to digital and still only use vinyl today.
i mean syncing two tracks is just the beginning of djing
@@dabadoo7631 i agree! Track selection in order for you to tell a story with your set is major component as well 👍
i’ll make a hundred tracks and sync button my gigs while they cry about it
It's truly a pleasure to be working with Barry - he is a true genius! 🙏
I feel like the most important part of his story was glanced over.
How did he go from never producing music to getting signed and in beatport top 20 in hardly any time at all?
There was no overview of how he did this other than he went to master mind studios once a week.
The reality is most aspiring producers struggle with getting their sound good enough to be signed and would also totally bomb walking into their first DJ gig never touching CDJs. This interview left a taste of both DJing and getting signed are easy to do.
Wish we could have heard more about how he went about learning production so quickly.
Probably ghost producer!
At the start of the video he's talking about hanging out with people who are in the industry. Sure he must have some degree of skill in DJing, but if you know people who can get show bookings you're already way ahead of anybody else who has just started.
Ghost producer on every track that’s how mate
Industry plant like marshemello 🪴
Sure it is mad moves and fairplay. Think you may be missing the point though, he was chatting about not wanting to get signed and stay independent. I suppose enjoying the process and initially putting out everywhere to get booked
38, been producing since I was 13. Just now about to release music and start performing. Thank you for the video…grew up in a family of musicians so this is a pursuit that means a lot to my heart.
Dubstep, dnb, bass house, all heavy bass and high energy genres pretty much! Artist name is RANVAC.
Damn.. that’s lots of years you’ve got there, why haven’t you released music ever ?
Props to Chapter and Verse for making it happen! However, it still makes me wince how the big DJs are all doing this EDM, Techy House sound. The masses seem to like that commercial sound... big noises, simple leads, crappy bass lines with zero swing, hollow non-emotional breaks... I can't stand it. Makes me wanna hurl.
But hey, he made it happen! Respect!
This is exactly what I'm going through right now! I'm turning 40 soon and have recently decided to be a DJ. So glad I found this video! Thanks for sharing your story. It's exactly what I needed.
I've been a DJ for 10+ years. Lemmie know if you have any questions. Gotta spread the knowledge.
@@fpsVAMPZI would love to talk to you for a bit and pick your brain on djing, lmk!
@@user-tr3vd2eq5bFor sure, what would you like to know?
best of luck in your journey, pal!
i'm early 40s. 3 years into producing. you give me hope it can happen Chapter & Verse.
and you're from the north of England like me. omg new hero!
✊
Oh my … this guy is a legend and a personal idol of mine . Started mixing (at 39 !) a few months ago . I WILL be in the booth with this guy !!
I'm only 25 and have always stressed about being so far behind people my age in this space, namely the dutch wizkids so this has been the most valuable podcast for me to date. Big up Chapter & Verse and yourselves, love the message and what you're doing here.
Saaame
Yeah 28 here too just starting but we have to remember were comparing ourselves to the biggest names ever so as long as you're not aiming to be the greatest that ever lived just keep going at it! Good luck
28 with a 8 month old feeling the same way, really appreciated what he had to say
I'm in my 40's and was just about to give up on my dream until THIS VIDEO. I can't thank you enough!!!
Go on!! DO it
Regardless of connections or luck, he has passion, and that’s all that matters.
this guy is a social media MARKETER with good contacts, anything but an artist
Id have to agree with you on that. I've looked at multiple companies offering dj courses online and everyone of them feels like I'm being sold on a personality instead of skills i can learn... or some bs "the only transition you'll ever need" or something like it... I was only able to find one live session of Chapter & Verse on CZcams playing live at a club... If i was going to spend $660 id expect more... or at least don't try to baffle them with your bs and name drops...
Awesome chat fellas! Really enjoyed this
A very inspiring video ! Thank you Crossfader and Dj Chapter & Verse ! Am 47 & just finished my professional CDJ course ! Looking forward to shine in 2024 & beyond…
Your sense of peace behind the decks and affection for the camera on your channel has always made my heart sing, particularly when I’ve lost the melody in my soul
THIS is one of BEST episodes…thank you C&V for sharing and Crossfader for sending 🙌🏽
Thank you both so much I'm near the 40 took it back up. Just brought some production gear and will have soon. Made me feel good about my decision.
unfortunatly i believe he is just proving the point that now a days to become a known dj you must pay a promoter or have contacts as he did, its very difficult now a days to become dj
Thank you, Crossfader for this podcast! Thank you also Chapter & Verse for sharing your journey! Your story is very inspiring! I’m 51 years old and recently got back into DJing and putting out mixes. I had been bedroom producer for years, but couldn’t finish tracks, etc and gave up. Since coming back to this I’m determined now to make it at my age because I realize I love music and performing more than anything and this is what I want to do!! Thank you so much again for sharing your story!
sir, do you have real job? other than music?
@@ericbarata of course I have a job. All jobs are real because they are just jobs. FYI: Even music is a job. Why the need to minimize someone’s dreams with limiting beliefs?
@@djpapakuma i do music tho. but ppl keep telling me to have a real job 😂😭
@@ericbarata Many people will say get a real job, but like I mentioned all jobs are real including music. Keep doing what you want, and don't listen to people who do not understand. As long as you can live, pay bills, and be happy what does it matter. Now if the above is not the case and you are struggling to eat and pay bills then getting a job that isn't music to help is no shame. Just keep working on what you want to do! :)
@@ericbarataWhen people say this its usually because they don’t like their job or wish they could do something more enjoyable and are jealous. If you’re making money and are able to pay your bills then keep going - thats a job.
It’s really refreshing to see someone in this position that is so down to earth, great interview.
Age is just a number. It's not a factor if you truly have a passion for music and believe in yourself. I'm 50 years old and just started my producing journey 3 years ago. Two of my tracks just got signed by labels which makes me want it even more and work even harder. I see it as the beginning for me and I don't plan on ever stopping. There is no age in music. If you love it and have a passion for it, no one or nothing can take that away from you
I just started to DJ virtually during Covid. It’s a lot of hard work but totally worth it. Glad to see a quick success story! 🎉
My takeaway: it's all about who you know.
Exactly
%100 agree, been spinning since 1999 and it's always been like that.
💯
Always has been 💯💯 always will be
It is now .... Never used to be !
Had the pleasure of hanging out with Barry a few times in Miami back in Feb and March for music week. This guy has the best energy and positive vibe and completely deserves all the success thats been happening for him
Learned more in this interview than in most videos about social media management i've seen until now. The key word is CONSISTENCY. Well done. Chapeau!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Love the job you guys doing. I'm so inspired by all free lessons and tricks you teach us and these episodes especially with this legend, are so inspirational! I only started an year ago at 28 and I thought I woke up too late to pursue this passion but now you guys motivated me so much. I don't know what is the real DJ world yet, but comparing to others the community in general seems everywhere so keen to help eachother to grow even though there are millions of dj around the world and it seems fantastic. Anyway, this man is an absolute icon! Thanks for all the work you guys put in it and keep well! 🙏❤️
Absolute legend, all this helped so much. I often get overwhelmed and lost when I think about my path as a dj, hearing this was very relieving 🙌
Great video guys, love these kind of stuff, super inspiring for all the guys are trying (also myself) to stay in this industry! Thanks for that ❤
I DMed C&V when he was already making some impact in the scene... super humble guy, gave me tips on music production and all that stuff. He has it all well fucking deserved!
This was so good, big up Barry! Got a lot of good tips cheers 👌🏻
Loz, well done! This was class, majorly inspirational and so honest!! Sick!!!
Thanks Martin mate. Hope your good!
Golden interview!! Thanks ❤
This story came up through a friend and just in time as I started same year but in my late 40s ✌ Best of luck to both of you!
This was very insightful and inspiring. Thanks chapter for coming on
Great true story. Thank you for sharing it. Also, thank you very much for the great tips you gave on your experiences in this industry. Much respect!!!
This was an uplifting reminder that it doesn't matter how old you are, as long as you have conviction and dedication, you can accomplish your goals.
Love this guy, style & humblest & geez refreshing to hear someone story starting when most people say it's too late. His taste in music is awesome, play his stuff & never knew his story. Inspiring...
nice one, love your channel and had a blast watching C&V and Westend shenanigans in San Diego...Rave On Fam
great episode! thanks for the wisdom sharing!
Sick convo to catch and lots of great advice! Work rate pays off 👌🏽🙌🏽
Great authentic story and refreshing to hear! Wish you all the best and keep climbing the ladder 👊🔥
I am 31 and I thought it was late..... i love Chapter and Verse's music
I had never heard of you or your music until this video. It was great to hear your story, what a rapid rise you are having, fair play.Positive mindset!!!
Spreading the positivity. Love it
So many inspiring words. What a guy he is. Buzzing for the new releases 🙌🏼🔥
Just came across this and I’m same age as when he first started learning to dj. Inspirational story. No matter who you know you still need to show.
Randomly got recommended this video and i am so glad i watched it. Very inspirational story, great character and given me a boost to keep at it with my own musical journey. Now i'm off to listen to his back catalogue on Spotify lol
A lot of respect for you gentlemen! I’m happy this serves as proof that it is possible and it reinforces the concept of how much you really want it being directly proportional with how fast and well it will work out. The Force works in mysterious ways lol! Much love and health to all of you!
Well put
Respect
I started back in 1999 playing hard house on a couple of beat down belt drive omnitronic decks. Saved up for two years and bought some 1210s. Stopped when I was 25 and sold everything to start a new life abroad. In 2018 I started producing my own tracks and during Covid I bought decks again. Now I'm a 40 year old dad and back at it. If you have a passion, it doesn't matter how old you are. We're all young in the eyes of the dead.
As a guy in my early 80s this has inspired me💪🏼
I'm 54 and trying to do the same thing but without the DJ-ing, did that in my early 20's! Great Interview...
Oh mate you have just given me so many new ideas to progress thank you omg you are a legend ❤️
I guess this was beginner's / fools' luck with a ton of confidence.
Belief + constant practice + networking + studying others + steadfast consistency = results
Definitely
It can take years for the average joe
you gotta want it in order to get it, of course luck plays a part too, but very little
@@sadatkd It didn't happen to him overnight by the sound of it. Yeah he got there quicker than a lot of people but it sounds like he put the work in. I think everyone thinks they can be a producer or DJ, and some people just don't have the natural ability. No shame in that, and no harm in just doing it as a hobby if you enjoy it. I think you'll know if you've got potential to be good enough at it after a couple of years of hard work. It's not for everyone, which is why not everyone makes it.
@@hearmenow909 bro you do realise all he did was spend thousands on a world class ghost producer (called Scott Lowe) to make all his tracks for him - and still does. CV cant produce music. Also he's pretty well off anyway and spent a forutne on marketing. The only work he put in was digging into his pockets because he wanted to be a 'dj' overnight.
This man is one of my most listened to artists ever. And I discovered him in the beginning of 2020. The tech house scene is changed and improved for good, forever.
This is so inspiring for me I am also 42 and have been trying to make it for 7 or 8 years now and this has made me want keep going thanks for this ❤
Ah... here I am, at 42, considering getting back into the dj game. Once again, I'm reminded - it's still all about who you know. Didn't even need to watch more than the first few minutes. Thank you.
100% - Same, 42 - been DJing since late 90s (but gig free for quite a while) and this is about as depressing as videos get.
@djrobincooper pretty much the same. Haven't dj'ed since I left FL over 10 years ago. This video is such a sham. I mean, cool, good for him, but it's so misleading to the viewers.
Just shows, in the industry its all about who you know
Loved this episode
Thank you so much for sharing this awesome story! 🤩
Same dream, big inspiration and motivation! 💪🏼
step 0: Already know a bunch of headliners and pros who will teach you, give you equipment, and get you gigs.
Brilliant. New fan gained for you both.
I love his passion. The passion for the vision. It's the best. What a legend!
Never underestimate the power of networking, this guy is a master.
Very good and honest insight 🙏🏻
This was awesome!
wicked interview!!
The numbers game talk at 20:00 is so damn true for every industry.
The pros are always ahead because they do it full time, if you want to be a pro you have to treat it like a job and commit whenever you can.
How inspirational. Barry's the man with a numbers plan 👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥bless up mate. Thanks crossfader 👍
Nice one, Dave!
Love the strategic approach he had for building up his project
You've given me hope!
WOW this was such an interesting interview! thank you! what a nice guy!!! I'll be following him even tho I'm not that keen on his music LOL🤣😂🤣
This was really motivating to keep going with the djing. I have been in it for couple years but haven’t got into clubs but parties only. Def takes a lot of work . To do the big clubs in a dream of mine ❤
Persistence is everything. Thank you for this.
dope interview!!
massive respect but don't think he would have the same outcome/growth without support and contacts, great advice and mentality though
Very true. At the same time a big part of DJ'ing is networking. I'm 39 myself and only started learning about two years ago. Taking the leap is the scariest part, because obviously it's a very small chance we actually make it.
So anyway, I'm moving to Ibiza in November 😅
@@PACourtesy networking is everything, obviously you need be be talented/hardworking but its the connections and networking that get you places same with every industry
@@asono_djit truly is all about who you know. That being said, come groove to some of my house tracks 🎉😉
100 per cent spot on. He knew people who gave him gigs. Because he’s clearly a nice guy. DJing is a popularity game.
@@asono_djI don’t by the talent part. Some guys girls doing gigs are terrible meanwhile amazing djs and beatmatchers never played out in their life’s.
Start of video is a bit click baity and slightly rage inducing for most DJs. I nearly disregarded the video as bs.. He clearly didn’t get to where he is in 3 weeks. He knew people which helps to get first gigs. He clearly spent years before networking, building presences, learning production before hand. Some great advice, He is a little bit big headed with regards to being able to get signed by any label, to be expected I guess. Video gets good / useful around 20 mins in.
Lol my thoughts exactly, throughout the video his ego shows
Yeah does a bit. I guess those type of people just do well in life. It’s duckin annoying isn’t it
Fake it till you make it right here. Good stuff. Imagine learning on some CDJ nexus though 😂
He's got the best energy, absolutely love his sets
Wow I;m 42 and just bought my first DDJ FLX4, enjoying it so far! Great community
start producing
I've been listening his music for 2 years and I didn't know that he started at his late 30s.
And nice podcast, very entertaining!
This was an amazing story! Bravo Chapter and Verse! Very inspiring!
One of my goals now is to be on this podcast!
~DJMikieJ
Took some interesting stuff away - and respect for the honesty
dont know there was much luck involved in this... this guy clearly knew multiple people in the industry and was around dance music. I guess fair enough, he is still a 40 year old that decided dj'ing looks easy, i'll give this a go... but he clearly knew about dance music and knew people in the industry... meaning once he learned the technical aspect of dj'ing everything else was an afterthought. I don't think his situation is comparable to most 40 year olds, who would not still be immersed in dance culture at Ibiza and have multiple DJ friends putting them on the up and up.
having said that... If you have always wanted to be in the industry... and you have friends that can put you on, maybe you should listen to this guys advice. Work hard, don't stop... and with a little luck your friends will put you on.
They also didn’t say how many cocks he sucked, maybe off camera…
Fair play. I have not heard of this guy, but that a was very inspirational listen.
Charming guy who was focussed and determined and already had a lot of connections with ppl who could get him gigs.
Inspirational interview 🔥🔥🔥
Great to listen to !