For the second guest. Here you can see Paul taught baptism in the name of the Lord. “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Acts 19:5 Acts 10:47-48 proves baptism in the name of the Lord is water baptism and Acts 2:38 shows that water baptism here is for the remission of sins. “Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.” Acts 10:47-48 “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38
@38:27. The caller’s point regarding how denominations wait to baptize their congregants by scheduling their baptism was very telling. I never considered how confusing that would be to someone if they had to wait to be baptized. As the caller mentioned - What if something happened to the individual while they were waiting? Glad to hear that Travis was able to address this concern and share that the baptism should take place as soon as possible, even if it’s 1 am.
@@truthwithproof5847 OH NO! I have been accused by the pharisee of pharisees. I have attacked his man-made chart of authority and this is what he comes up with! Did they teach you to confuse man-made authoritian views with the inspiration of God at whatever preaching school you attended?
“Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.” Amos 5:23 “that chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David;” Amos 6:5
Yet we are no longer in the law of Moses, we are in the law of Christ. And the first century Christians never used instrumental music in worship. In fact it was the Roman Catholic pope that introduced instrumental music into worship in the early 1600’s. Before that, no Christian church did for a reason
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
@@truthwithproof5847 We are on duty all the time. God lives in our hearts not buildings. So if you can bang instruments in your car, then you can bang them inside the walls of a building. He said it pleases Him. Why do you want to displease Him. Do you use microphones ? That's not in scripture. Do you use pulpits ? That's not in scripture. Musical instruments is mentioned and it says play it loud. By the way, brother, I enjoy listening to your walk. As far as music goes though, I will just go to another pep talk Sunday someplace else. I prefer COC, but I can't watch this arrogant song singing anymore.
There are plenty of instruments in the Psalms. Instruments are mentioned in the Psalms and in their headings (Headings in the Hebrew Bible are literally the first verse of the psalm). Instruments appear already by Psalm 4.1, “with stringed instruments.”; 5.1, “for the flutes“; 6.1, with stringed instruments“; 54.1, “with stringed instruments“; etc. In the temple, King David, at the command of God, had 4000 Levites trained (yes trained) as both singers and instrumental musicians (1 Chron 23.5). He divided them into 288 courses (that is groups of 13) under the leadership of Asaph, Jeduthun and Heman. There seems to be nine basic instruments mentioned in the Psalms themselves which can be divided into three basic kinds of instruments: stringed instruments wind instruments percussion instruments. These instruments were not condemned by God when used in the Temple worship. Jesus never condemned their use when He worshiped in the Temple. The book of Revelation makes use of instruments in the worship scenes depicted and are not condemned by God or Jesus. Also from this separate quote: "However, the introduction of the instrument was not simply about biblical interpretation (hermeneutics). It was also symptomatic of the growing wedge between Northern and Southern culture in light of the reconstruction efforts following the Civil War. As seen in this light, the instrument further fostered sectionalism, and therefore, contributed mightily to the division of the Movement." p 94 from the book "Torn Asunder - The Civil War and the 1906 Division of the Disciples" by Ben Brewster
@@truthwithproof5847 He completely destroyed your no instruments argument WITH SCRIPTURE. Stick to the plan of Salvation, which you actually get right. And give up the Pathetic argument against instrumental worship, which you CAN NOT prove from scripture.
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 I think he wants to debate this issue because his view comes from human teachers and human tradition and that makes it his truth. There is a term called scholasticism, and it occurs when you have made up your mind that something is what you think it should be, so you you go to the scriptures to find your ammunition whether it applies or not. Travis reminds of the late Ira Rice, a member of his brotherhood. I say that because I knew Ira's cousin who said that his mother, Ira's aunt, used to say of Ira that he loved to find fault with people. In fact he excelled in this very thing by trashing any one who didn't agree with his view of what the scriptures taught. Its sad.
Worship comes from the heart through an action. You can do the action. And never truly worship. So! Yes i can worship God and be mowing the lawn. Or eanything els im doing. Including. Playing an instrument
@@brettcarter6189not everything you need to know is in the Bible. In a letter to Timothy Paul’s tells him to teach and remember everything written and told. This means everything we need to be taught is not written down.
It’s not worship. It’s just doing things in your life to the glory of God. Worship is done in a very specific way and always has and very few people do it correctly.
@@billythebaptist9370 well King David worshipped in Temple just like I do. We he even sing some of the same psalms. In fact his Icon is even on the wall. Based on your name I would say you do none of that and are likely not aware of what you are actually saying.
Hi. Travis. Love uou man. I hope you get gree from this bondeg. Come to Christ. Accept His work on your behalf. He paid ot all man. He is the narrow way. I grew up in this type of bondage. I tried working to please God. It just made me so tired. I really truly feel for you. Im praying for you to come to the simplicity that is in Christ.
Bless this lady and her service to the Lord. The scriptures ARE NOT silent on the subject of musical accompaniment! Paul in Romans 15:9 quotes from 2 Samuel 22:50. The English word sing in this verse is translated from the Greek word "psallo" which Paul used to translate the Hebrew word for sing with or without instruments (zamar) in 2 Samuel 22:50. Zamar means to sing with musical accompaniment, or simply to sing or sing praises. To praise with instruments alone or with voices. Paul’s translation of zamar into psallo allows for the use of instruments UNLESS the Holy Spirit led Paul to translate this passage incorrectly. It is a permission, not a commandment.
It is an inconvenient truth that all admit the word “at one time” included instruments. But the argument is, that, when Paul used the word it had changed and no longer included it. Debaters will say that TODAY’S Greek the word does not include instruments. But there is a two thousand year leap. What did the word mean to the Jew whose Bible was the LXX (Septuagint)? And then there is Josephus, a contemporary of Paul, who uses the word multiple times to describe Levites singing and playing on harps in the temple. But the claim is that Josephus is imitating classical Greek rather than koine. It really is quite complex in fact (and then you have those folks that say you don’t have to have a PhD to read and understand the Bible but then they mark arguments on ψάλλω that are so complex that many PhDs cannot follow them!). All lexicons will tell you the word means to play in the LXX which is also koine Greek but debaters will not tell you that! Standard lexicons like Liddel and Scott will say the word includes instruments. Finding evidence for ψάλλω including instruments is not difficult to do. But while we fought over ψάλλω, I missed something vitally important, largely because I did not know the “Old Testament” like Paul and the first century church. I knew that Paul told the believers to sing … Psalms. This is why in the Church Fathers we find such devotion to the Psalter. Paul did not direct that disciples just sing. Paul commanded that we sing the PSALMS. Down through the history of the church there are numerous examples of believers holding the opinion that the only “authorized” words to give back to God in praise was the book of Psalms itself. The Regulative Principle forbade the use of “humanly made words” in the worship of God. Most have not taken this position but it is not a rare one (many in the Reformed tradition have held this position especially, they rejected humanly authored songs just as they rejected instrumental music). What we missed for a long time, was that Paul’s entire directive comes from the Psalter itself. That is Paul literally quotes the Book of Psalms. Paul does not say just sing Psalms. Paul says, “sing and make melody to the Lord in your heart …” “sing and make melody [to the Lord]” is a directive that occurs in the Psalter no less than five times. The exact Greek phrase, “sing and make melody to …” occurs no less than three. Here they are. “I will offer sacrifices with shouts of joy, I will sing and make melody to the LORD {ᾄσομαι καὶ ψαλῶ τῷ κυρίῳ}” (Psalm 27.6 = 26.6, LXX) “Rejoice in the LORD, O you righteous. Praise befits the upright. Praise the LORD with the lyre; make melody {ψαλῶ} to him [the Lord] with the harp of ten strings” (Psalm 33.1-2) “Sing to the LORD with thanksgiving; make melody {ψαλῶ} to our God on the lyre” (Psalm 147.7, we recall that Paul mentions thanksgiving as well in 5.20) Other parallel texts but not the exact Greek but very close … “O God, my heart is steadfast. I will sing and make melody … (Psalm 57.7) “My heart is steadfast; I will sing and make melody …” (Psalm 108.1) What is noticeable is how closely associated the word ψάλλω is to the phrase Paul quotes and its use in the Psalter. Is there any indication that Paul uses ψάλλω in a manner differently than in source material he quotes?? It clearly, and unambiguously, can quite naturally include playing instruments in these texts.
@@GibGuymer Thank you for this much more in-depth explanation of why Paul allows for the use of musical instruments in worship, although it may be more difficult for most folks to follow. The fact that Paul himself translates the OT word zamar as psallo should suffice for those not concerned only with losing a distinctive.
She is a member of the Christian Church denomination, so I would ask her: “Does the Bible say you would be lost for baptizing infants? Does the Bible say not to?” From what I understand, her denomination (like the Lord’s church) does not believe in baptizing babies. She would have to acknowledge that baptizing an infant would be a condemnable offense because it misleads people into believing that they are saved without belief, faith, repentance and confession. She’d have to acknowledge that baptizing infants misleads people into doing baptism their way instead of God’s authorized way. Still, the Bible doesn’t specifically say NOT to do it. They acknowledge the principle of authority when it comes infant baptism, but they refuse the principle of authority when it comes to singing our praise to God without instruments.
@@jodysmith402 You don't have ears to hear nor eyes to see, James 2:24 *you see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith ALONE* Thre Greek word alone here means without a companion. James teaches faith without a companion does not justify. What is the companion of faith that does? Works! Faith alone does not justify but with works does. Your doctrine is a false gospel not the gospel of Jesus, Mark 16:15-16.
Only the Levites played instruments in the Old Law. To follow the Old Law itself is completely unauthorized and she would have to have a Levite to play the instruments and keep all the rest of the Law as well.
Gods Spirit in a saved soul wants to worship him. A lost person thinks they have to congregate at the church building to worship .. . Worship does not only happen at a certain day of the week at a certain time of day.. Very little , true worship can happen amongst a group of people where the spirit of God is not welcome. Only emotionless repetition of traditions, and songs.
2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV - But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
@@truthwithproof5847 he didnt say that. he said "if you believe Jesus is YOUR Lord". I dont think satan believes Jesus is HIS Lord. thats the whole reason he fell
You usually sound reasonable. You do not when it comes to music. Pizza and Pepsi is not mentioned in the Bible. Music is. It says bang thr drums loudly. People get high off it and some are brought to tears. COC is sparse because of this. Stubborn men without scriptures opposing those with them.
The argument is you do everything to the glory of God. When your on the toilet having a bowel movement is that a action directed to God to give Him glory?
These people need to learn that the one gospel of Jesus Christ is the only way to be saved. Not one denomination teaches the gospel according to the Bible like Philip in Acts 8:12. You cannot teach a false church and teach the true gospel. That is a fallacy.
@@followingchrist3660 What a ignorant statement. You can read about the church in your new testament, Romans 16:16. Where is your Baptist church in the Bible? You are a sectarian.
What's the difference?? The difference is! The church of Christ says no musical instruments. So by disagreeing with them. Your not saved. See how it works?
Sorry. We are certainly not unlearned. We mostly have all examined outher views on scripture. Wirh an open mind to the possibility of us being wrong. And when the scriptures clearly show us we are incorrect! We chang our view to agree with scripture. That is not you. You argue with doctrins that you do not even understand.
Like Mark 16:15-16 *and Jesus said to them go into all the world and preach the GOSPEL to all creation he who believes and is baptized will be saved but he who does not believe will be condemned*
@@linda3617 if it was a strong issue with God he would have said not to use cocaine and heroin. So by your reasoning if He didn't say not to that is a liberty to practise. You do not understand God teaches when He is silent. The silence of the Scriptures is teaching.
@@bellcoolmountain6650 I did. It’s in a letter to Timothy from Paul. I don’t play the quote game because you don’t even have the justification required to quote the Bible. You choose arbitrarily what to listen to and what to ignore. For one I don’t need a Bible quote because oral tradition is all the church had for hundreds of years. But just for fun 2Timothy 2:1 You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things you have HEARD FROM ME (This is expressly about oral tradition before the existence of the Bible.) among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to TEACH others also.
@@bellcoolmountain6650 I didn’t say that either but arguing from silence is like heretic blunder 101. Along with word fallacy and scripture mining. This all requires a holistic view and frankly it’s already been addressed and is being taught. Pretending other wise is just delusional.
Amos5:23. Is talking to a bunch of self righteous people going through the motions and having hearts that are far from God. God is not exepting eanything from them. All the things He says He is not expecting. Are all things He Himself had comaned. Come on read your Bible
For the second guest. Here you can see Paul taught baptism in the name of the Lord.
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 19:5
Acts 10:47-48 proves baptism in the name of the Lord is water baptism and Acts 2:38 shows that water baptism here is for the remission of sins.
“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:47-48
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
Mark 16:15 KJV - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
@38:27. The caller’s point regarding how denominations wait to baptize their congregants by scheduling their baptism was very telling. I never considered how confusing that would be to someone if they had to wait to be baptized. As the caller mentioned - What if something happened to the individual while they were waiting? Glad to hear that Travis was able to address this concern and share that the baptism should take place as soon as possible, even if it’s 1 am.
Ephesians 2:8 KJV - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
For by Grace unmerited favor are ye saved through THE Faith, that's the gospel, we did not come up with it ie yourselves. Romans 1:16
Psalm 150:3 KJV - Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
Psalm 149:3 KJV - Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Psalm 150:4 KJV - Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Did the apostles have roadcases for their instruments?
Hahaha
Can we use microphones in church ?
I dont see that in the scriptures.
Psalm 150 telld us to use instruments.
COC disobeys God.
You don't understand authority
How about explaining it then?@@truthwithproof5847
@@truthwithproof5847 Who created your chart of authority? Answer: Men! Incomplete hermeneutic approach to scripture.
@@GibGuymer so you don't believe the inspiration of the Bible? Sad
@@truthwithproof5847 OH NO! I have been accused by the pharisee of pharisees. I have attacked his man-made chart of authority and this is what he comes up with! Did they teach you to confuse man-made authoritian views with the inspiration of God at whatever preaching school you attended?
“Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.”
Amos 5:23
“that chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David;”
Amos 6:5
Yet we are no longer in the law of Moses, we are in the law of Christ. And the first century Christians never used instrumental music in worship. In fact it was the Roman Catholic pope that introduced instrumental music into worship in the early 1600’s. Before that, no Christian church did for a reason
Romans 12:1 says offer your body as a living sacrifice , holy and acceptable, this is our true worship.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
@@truthwithproof5847 We are on duty all the time. God lives in our hearts not buildings. So if you can bang instruments in your car, then you can bang them inside the walls of a building. He said it pleases Him. Why do you want to displease Him. Do you use microphones ? That's not in scripture. Do you use pulpits ? That's not in scripture. Musical instruments is mentioned and it says play it loud. By the way, brother, I enjoy listening to your walk. As far as music goes though, I will just go to another pep talk Sunday someplace else. I prefer COC, but I can't watch this arrogant song singing anymore.
@@ChurchOfKentucky I will discuss your comment tonight 7pm CT .. you don't understand authority
There are plenty of instruments in the Psalms. Instruments are mentioned in the Psalms and in their headings (Headings in the Hebrew Bible are literally the first verse of the psalm). Instruments appear already by Psalm 4.1, “with stringed instruments.”; 5.1, “for the flutes“; 6.1, with stringed instruments“; 54.1, “with stringed instruments“; etc. In the temple, King David, at the command of God, had 4000 Levites trained (yes trained) as both singers and instrumental musicians (1 Chron 23.5). He divided them into 288 courses (that is groups of 13) under the leadership of Asaph, Jeduthun and Heman.
There seems to be nine basic instruments mentioned in the Psalms themselves which can be divided into three basic kinds of instruments:
stringed instruments
wind instruments
percussion instruments.
These instruments were not condemned by God when used in the Temple worship. Jesus never condemned their use when He worshiped in the Temple. The book of Revelation makes use of instruments in the worship scenes depicted and are not condemned by God or Jesus.
Also from this separate quote:
"However, the introduction of the instrument was not simply about biblical interpretation (hermeneutics). It was also symptomatic of the growing wedge between Northern and Southern culture in light of the reconstruction efforts following the Civil War. As seen in this light, the instrument further fostered sectionalism, and therefore, contributed mightily to the division of the Movement." p 94 from the book "Torn Asunder - The Civil War and the 1906 Division of the Disciples" by Ben Brewster
@@GibGuymer call the show
@@truthwithproof5847 Why?
@@truthwithproof5847
He completely destroyed your no instruments argument WITH SCRIPTURE. Stick to the plan of Salvation, which you actually get right. And give up the Pathetic argument against instrumental worship, which you CAN NOT prove from scripture.
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 I think he wants to debate this issue because his view comes from human teachers and human tradition and that makes it his truth. There is a term called scholasticism, and it occurs when you have made up your mind that something is what you think it should be, so you you go to the scriptures to find your ammunition whether it applies or not. Travis reminds of the late Ira Rice, a member of his brotherhood. I say that because I knew Ira's cousin who said that his mother, Ira's aunt, used to say of Ira that he loved to find fault with people. In fact he excelled in this very thing by trashing any one who didn't agree with his view of what the scriptures taught. Its sad.
Acts 10:47 KJV - Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which *have received the Holy Ghost* as well as we?
If I can have a musical instrument then I can have a light show and fog machine because it didn't say not to.
Worship comes from the heart through an action. You can do the action. And never truly worship. So! Yes i can worship God and be mowing the lawn. Or eanything els im doing. Including. Playing an instrument
Is it vain worship?
Give me a Bible verse that proves what you’re saying.
@@brettcarter6189not everything you need to know is in the Bible. In a letter to Timothy Paul’s tells him to teach and remember everything written and told. This means everything we need to be taught is not written down.
It’s not worship. It’s just doing things in your life to the glory of God. Worship is done in a very specific way and always has and very few people do it correctly.
@@billythebaptist9370 well King David worshipped in Temple just like I do. We he even sing some of the same psalms. In fact his Icon is even on the wall. Based on your name I would say you do none of that and are likely not aware of what you are actually saying.
Gwendolyn catching the archive ❤
Hi. Travis. Love uou man. I hope you get gree from this bondeg. Come to Christ. Accept His work on your behalf. He paid ot all man. He is the narrow way. I grew up in this type of bondage. I tried working to please God. It just made me so tired. I really truly feel for you. Im praying for you to come to the simplicity that is in Christ.
Why do you reject the gospel of Christ and never give an answer, Mark 16:15-16? You will give an answer before Jesus.
Bless this lady and her service to the Lord. The scriptures ARE NOT silent on the subject of musical accompaniment! Paul in Romans 15:9 quotes from 2 Samuel 22:50.
The English word sing in this verse is translated from the Greek word "psallo" which Paul used to translate the Hebrew word for sing with or without instruments (zamar) in 2 Samuel 22:50. Zamar means to sing with musical accompaniment, or simply to sing or sing praises. To praise with instruments alone or with voices.
Paul’s translation of zamar into psallo allows for the use of instruments UNLESS the Holy Spirit led Paul to translate this passage incorrectly. It is a permission, not a commandment.
It is an inconvenient truth that all admit the word “at one time” included instruments. But the argument is, that, when Paul used the word it had changed and no longer included it. Debaters will say that TODAY’S Greek the word does not include instruments. But there is a two thousand year leap. What did the word mean to the Jew whose Bible was the LXX (Septuagint)?
And then there is Josephus, a contemporary of Paul, who uses the word multiple times to describe Levites singing and playing on harps in the temple. But the claim is that Josephus is imitating classical Greek rather than koine. It really is quite complex in fact (and then you have those folks that say you don’t have to have a PhD to read and understand the Bible but then they mark arguments on ψάλλω that are so complex that many PhDs cannot follow them!). All lexicons will tell you the word means to play in the LXX which is also koine Greek but debaters will not tell you that! Standard lexicons like Liddel and Scott will say the word includes instruments. Finding evidence for ψάλλω including instruments is not difficult to do.
But while we fought over ψάλλω, I missed something vitally important, largely because I did not know the “Old Testament” like Paul and the first century church. I knew that Paul told the believers to sing … Psalms. This is why in the Church Fathers we find such devotion to the Psalter. Paul did not direct that disciples just sing. Paul commanded that we sing the PSALMS.
Down through the history of the church there are numerous examples of believers holding the opinion that the only “authorized” words to give back to God in praise was the book of Psalms itself. The Regulative Principle forbade the use of “humanly made words” in the worship of God. Most have not taken this position but it is not a rare one (many in the Reformed tradition have held this position especially, they rejected humanly authored songs just as they rejected instrumental music).
What we missed for a long time, was that Paul’s entire directive comes from the Psalter itself. That is Paul literally quotes the Book of Psalms. Paul does not say just sing Psalms. Paul says,
“sing and make melody to the Lord in your heart …”
“sing and make melody [to the Lord]” is a directive that occurs in the Psalter no less than five times. The exact Greek phrase, “sing and make melody to …” occurs no less than three. Here they are.
“I will offer sacrifices with shouts of joy,
I will sing and make melody to the LORD {ᾄσομαι καὶ ψαλῶ τῷ κυρίῳ}”
(Psalm 27.6 = 26.6, LXX)
“Rejoice in the LORD, O you righteous.
Praise befits the upright.
Praise the LORD with the lyre;
make melody {ψαλῶ} to him [the Lord]
with the harp of ten strings”
(Psalm 33.1-2)
“Sing to the LORD with thanksgiving;
make melody {ψαλῶ} to our God on the lyre”
(Psalm 147.7, we recall that Paul mentions thanksgiving as well in 5.20)
Other parallel texts but not the exact Greek but very close …
“O God, my heart is steadfast.
I will sing and make melody …
(Psalm 57.7)
“My heart is steadfast;
I will sing and make melody …”
(Psalm 108.1)
What is noticeable is how closely associated the word ψάλλω is to the phrase Paul quotes and its use in the Psalter. Is there any indication that Paul uses ψάλλω in a manner differently than in source material he quotes?? It clearly, and unambiguously, can quite naturally include playing instruments in these texts.
@@GibGuymer Thank you for this much more in-depth explanation of why Paul allows for the use of musical instruments in worship, although it may be more difficult for most folks to follow. The fact that Paul himself translates the OT word zamar as psallo should suffice for those not concerned only with losing a distinctive.
She is a member of the Christian Church denomination, so I would ask her: “Does the Bible say you would be lost for baptizing infants? Does the Bible say not to?” From what I understand, her denomination (like the Lord’s church) does not believe in baptizing babies. She would have to acknowledge that baptizing an infant would be a condemnable offense because it misleads people into believing that they are saved without belief, faith, repentance and confession. She’d have to acknowledge that baptizing infants misleads people into doing baptism their way instead of God’s authorized way. Still, the Bible doesn’t specifically say NOT to do it. They acknowledge the principle of authority when it comes infant baptism, but they refuse the principle of authority when it comes to singing our praise to God without instruments.
All the scriptures you use! They should read at the end of the vers. As long as you agree with Travis on the meaning of this verse.
No you can go watch gun smoke. Who cares what Travis teaches.
You don't pay attention Jody. If you did you would not post ignorant statements. Or you are intentionally misrepresenting Travis Thomas. Which is it?
Not true ! Iv paid very close atintion to this damnable doctrine of devil's
@@jodysmith402 You don't have ears to hear nor eyes to see, James 2:24 *you see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith ALONE* Thre Greek word alone here means without a companion. James teaches faith without a companion does not justify. What is the companion of faith that does? Works! Faith alone does not justify but with works does. Your doctrine is a false gospel not the gospel of Jesus, Mark 16:15-16.
Only the Levites played instruments in the Old Law. To follow the Old Law itself is completely unauthorized and she would have to have a Levite to play the instruments and keep all the rest of the Law as well.
Gods Spirit in a saved soul wants to worship him. A lost person thinks they have to congregate at the church building to worship .. . Worship does not only happen at a certain day of the week at a certain time of day..
Very little , true worship can happen amongst a group of people where the spirit of God is not welcome.
Only emotionless repetition of traditions, and songs.
Revelation 1:10 describes the voice, and uses the image of a trumpet to signify it's loud nature. It in no way describes a trumpet used in worship
2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV - But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
If you believe Jesus is your Lord you are a member of his church. Not if you go into a building that says on top church of christ.
So the devils are members of His Church. Wow
@@truthwithproof5847 he didnt say that. he said "if you believe Jesus is YOUR Lord". I dont think satan believes Jesus is HIS Lord. thats the whole reason he fell
Those rules are not in the Bible I wouldn't attend that church
You usually sound reasonable.
You do not when it comes to music.
Pizza and Pepsi is not mentioned in the Bible. Music is. It says bang thr drums loudly. People get high off it and some are brought to tears.
COC is sparse because of this.
Stubborn men without scriptures opposing those with them.
I'm not following 😕. Call the program as you think music means instruments but it's not.
The argument is you do everything to the glory of God. When your on the toilet having a bowel movement is that a action directed to God to give Him glory?
Well I was thinking of that but decided not to go there lol.
These people need to learn that the one gospel of Jesus Christ is the only way to be saved. Not one denomination teaches the gospel according to the Bible like Philip in Acts 8:12. You cannot teach a false church and teach the true gospel. That is a fallacy.
They are unlearned brother
Amen brother!
A soul can't be taught wrong and baptized right!
@@John-3-36 brother, thanks.
coc established 1830. Where was the gospel in 1700s ??
@@followingchrist3660 What a ignorant statement. You can read about the church in your new testament, Romans 16:16. Where is your Baptist church in the Bible? You are a sectarian.
Run lady. RUN!!!!!!!
What's the difference?? The difference is! The church of Christ says no musical instruments. So by disagreeing with them. Your not saved. See how it works?
You don't even understand baptism, you sure don't understand worship.
Teach me How the church of Christ worshipped in the 1st. Century?
@@bellcoolmountain6650 this is same person who called Sunday night the 2nd caller. The one who can't understand baptism is required.
@@truthwithproof5847 doesn't want to know. Content and complacent with his religion.
I don't have a religion. I have a personal relationship with the Truth and the Life. The Lord Jesus The Christ.
Sorry. We are certainly not unlearned. We mostly have all examined outher views on scripture. Wirh an open mind to the possibility of us being wrong. And when the scriptures clearly show us we are incorrect! We chang our view to agree with scripture. That is not you. You argue with doctrins that you do not even understand.
You do not understand authority just like the nice lady.
Like Mark 16:15-16 *and Jesus said to them go into all the world and preach the GOSPEL to all creation he who believes and is baptized will be saved but he who does not believe will be condemned*
If it was a strong issue with Gods he would have said Do not use music specifically just like the commandments
I was told by Coc I was going to hell because I went to a church that used instruments
@@linda3617 if it was a strong issue with God he would have said not to use cocaine and heroin. So by your reasoning if He didn't say not to that is a liberty to practise. You do not understand God teaches when He is silent. The silence of the Scriptures is teaching.
She does not understand the silence of the Scriptures is teaching what not to do.
No silence in scripture is not equal to that at all. Scripture is only a part of Christianity. Oral tradition is a huge part.
@@katiek.8808 So when God is silent, His silence is liberty to do what you want. No, you do err
@@katiek.8808 Who's Oral tradition? Give book, chapter and verse that teaches the word of God and Oral tradition is our standard of authority?
@@bellcoolmountain6650 I did. It’s in a letter to Timothy from Paul. I don’t play the quote game because you don’t even have the justification required to quote the Bible. You choose arbitrarily what to listen to and what to ignore. For one I don’t need a Bible quote because oral tradition is all the church had for hundreds of years. But just for fun 2Timothy 2:1 You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things you have HEARD FROM ME (This is expressly about oral tradition before the existence of the Bible.) among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to TEACH others also.
@@bellcoolmountain6650 I didn’t say that either but arguing from silence is like heretic blunder 101. Along with word fallacy and scripture mining. This all requires a holistic view and frankly it’s already been addressed and is being taught. Pretending other wise is just delusional.
A preacher should tell everyone. The steps on how to get saved this guy has no idea what he is talking about don't listen to him
@@user-mb6ym1zx3k call the show
No no. I can listen to Hank. But not thr Gathers. Lol
I guessed you missed where Travis said clean secular music.
That's not my point. The point. The point is the other side of this coin
@@bellcoolmountain6650 many on here do as they want. They will see one day.
Amos5:23. Is talking to a bunch of self righteous people going through the motions and having hearts that are far from God. God is not exepting eanything from them. All the things He says He is not expecting. Are all things He Himself had comaned. Come on read your Bible
1John 2:4 *If anyone says I know God but does not keep His commandments he is a liar and the truth is not in him*
So you are a Jew living under the law of Moses?