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Tamiya Frog Time Attack and HUGE game changer!
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2021
- Our 3rd time attack video. Huge change has resulted from shooting this! I think this is our best video so far. This one really pushed our limits with equipment and available time. Big thanks to my buds over at Tamiya Legends and Vintage Tamiya and other RC for the Frog pics.
I feel that a track with a longer straight to allow full speed would make a difference to results since it would allow for top speed differences and high speed cornering.
Absolutely about the space and layout. One of the things I like about doing these. Fun to A/B stuff in a little bullring.
Awesome video, mate.
I live in London. I watched the Tamiya video's in Hamleys and was quite poor, so I had to want the grasshopper. As I learned more, I wanted the hornet, then, the Frog. I saved up about £70 as a 14 year old, which was very hard being an avid arcade player ( ;) ) and I got the Frog on a a cold day in January at Beatties in Holborn.
Me and my Mum, best day ever.
I want a new one, Nice one, dude. This was nice. :)
Would love to get one of those Betties RC bags one day...Unfortunately they are fairly hard to find here in the states (at least not all clapped out). For me it was a place called Allied Hobbies. Place was packed to the ceiling with Tamiya kits. I would drag mom and dad in there whenever I had the opportunity. Still etched in my memory bank like it was yesterday. Thanks for the view and comment friend. Appreciate it.
@@VINTAGEBACKYARDRC Likewise, dude.
Indeed, those blue Beatties bags were extremely handy!
Funny how most people never own one? Only 2 kids in my school ever had one.
we are special! :)
Nice one, buddy.
Oh yeah, love the slow motion shots of the cars jumping, landing, and sliding around the dirt. Has you kid seen the Punky Brewster episode "Girls Will Be Boys"? She'd probably get a kick out of it....
One of my favorite 80s episodes of any 80s show!
Great and fun video! Love the cable cam and the overhead cam above the 180 at the start/finish. The slow-mo at the end is fantastic as well. Very well done. Looking forward to the next video. 👍🏻
Thanks my friend. Working on a upgrade for the overhead. It's everyone's favorite cam here in the house. This one was hard work...but think it turned out pretty good. I am not sure what will be next...might put up a poll on the community tab. Thanks again for the positive comment.
Fantastic video! I'm in the process of restoring my original Frog. That cars Achilles heel was really the resisters. After jumping off a 3-ft high ramp we had one or two of the resistors would pop out launching the car at high speed.
Haha yes! I remember you would only get high speed when you lost them. Would always fall out of the little crimp connectors. I bet if I was running a mechanical speed control it would have happened for sure.
Thanks for the nice comment and story. I appreciate it brother.
The Hornet sounds a little crunchy....
Gears took a beating from the 1st video (I rebuilt the broken case but had to re-use the spur gear). Parts on order to clean it up again (it was free...just a tad noisy).
Great video
Thanks so much!
The Hornet sounds like the gears were slipping
Def sounds unwell to me too
The blue and silver Frog featured at the start of the video….. I built that car 😎
That's awesome! Been a bit since we did a community reach out. Need to bring that back to the vids I think.
Go MIP.
BAD design flaw on the ORV transmission. To much flex on the trans.
But changing the ramp will also help.
Great vids man. Wish I had that track.
Thanks so much for the tip and comment. Planning on hotrodding a Frog this year....Will have a mip installed for sure!
I’ve added a MIP differential to my rere frog as the stock diffs were eating themselves - runs a lot smoother now but the front uprights are the main problem now - we’re constantly breaking those things - it’s a great car but it’s costing me a small fortune to keep it running 😮
I built one of these for my uncle's 14-year-old son but I used French blue instead of pink also the stripe line less thicker than the box art and I swear it looks a lot better than the box art!
Nice! Great car to build and run.
That’s awesome mate love rc cars at 50 yo
Thanks so much bud. I do as well!
In fairness vintage rc cars like these should be driven on just flat tracks out of respect
That was a good video. Also, nice job on making a fair trial by running the grasshopper and the hornet again.
Thanks so much! Made for a long day but agree it had to happen.
I’ve still got mine from the 80s which lives on a shelf, but I’m building one to drive from a box of bits and parts cars. To be fair to the old Frog and others like it, they are much happier on smoother ground without the big jumps. I’d love to see it on your track without the jumps but with a mix of surface types. I’ll be running mine on grass, dirt and sand. I’ve also got some Brat wheels and tyres for asphalt. Love the concept of the channel pitching the cars against each other and creating a leader board 👍
Honestly contemplating doing something like this. I would like to run the srb cars on the new track...but can't beat them up on the big jumps anymore. Then just run the "pro cars" with the ramps. Obviously this messes up the continuity of the channel a bit. The solution there would be running the silvercan cars for a 3rd time all over again...lol.
Will probably put it up for a vote soon and see what people want.
Appreciate it brother. Frog is a great buggy for sure. Good luck on the parts build. One of my favorite things to do.
@@VINTAGEBACKYARDRC Might be worth reviewing the original Tamiya promotional videos for these old timers. They show the intended terrain which will display the cars at their best. Tricky though, because the later race cars look best on those big jumps!
Great video! Just recently bagged my first Frog kit albeit a rere. Possibly a late Autumn build for me......I'm excited!
Awesome! Frog is a very fun build. Enjoy the build my friend.
Excellent video as always and you find the way to have the track fix and the consistency in same time 😃 Can't wait to see other time attack cars. What's the next ? Fox ? or Hornet with 380 ? ;-) Thanks you so much for the time spent on the super contents of this channel !
Thanks so much! Assume you have seen the Frog and Hornet vids. Been wrenching on a Fox all week...
i spent a couple days ago watching your whole channel top to bottom, got myself a vintage frog, cant wait to tear it up once i modernize its electronics! thanks dude!
That's AWESOME! We are blessed with modern electronics at a fair price. Makes for a great overall experience when you don't need to worry about radio glitches and 3 step manual speed control issues. Thanks for watching and good luck with the build!
@@VINTAGEBACKYARDRC I'm buying a flysky gt3 with a receiver, what should I use for an esc? I'm leaving the MSc in there for show
@@sqweezzstr I am using the cheap Hobbywing brushed esc (don't remember model #) but it's only like $22 usd.
@@VINTAGEBACKYARDRC dude, so much appreciated. Excited to see more of your uploads in the future. Loved the vintage time attack series, nothing but entertainment! Thanks a bunch !
Keep doing videos like this, more power to your channel
Gostei muito, parabéns pelo vídeo
That was a fair trial.excellent work.keep up the good work
👍😃
Thanks for the support! We will keep doing this as long as it's fun.
Just picked up a frog survivor. Came with everything from 80's except batteries. Can't wait to get it back running.
Great car! Happy for you my friend.
Being a 80s kid love the intro and just the coverage you put in your videos. Also just wondering what is your setup to get the moving video shots ? I see you have a camera mounted on a line..
Thanks my friend.
So...if you look for my cable cam video it sort of shows what we are trying to do. Currently experimenting with a return to home movement so we can get multiple shots in one session.
Had a bunch of issues with it last year so unfortunately it's not in every video.
Works great when it actually works...lol.
Appreciate it!
Great video buddy! 👍🏻
Round the mid 80's I bought a Frog off a kid I used to know. Yeh...the gearbox was a pain. It didn't take long between runs to have to pull it apart and put it back together over & over. I later modified it to accept monster truck style tires & rims all around on it & put a truck body on it. Ended up trading for a 1/10 asphalt style oval track car Now adays...my two sons have Traxxas electric 4x4 Stampedes & I run a much older 2wd Nitro Stampede.
Love your videos guys .
Thanks so much!
And wich pinion do you prefer for the frog? (Especially in this Video) I guess it makes a massive difference on the time table
If I recall I was running the largest gearset (high speed) by the time we got it sorted.
Great video as always. Still wanna see what the lunchbox does it in? 😂👍
Great video team Vintage Backyard RC! I thought the frog looked more composed through the corners on the track. You seemed to be able to put it into the corners at better angle. That said I thought the Hopper looked really quick too but the 380 must lack the top speed! Really interesting video as always 👍🏻🤘🏻
Once I got that jump sorted...the only Frog issue was the driver overshooting things...lol. It was a dream to drive and has way more steering angle available. I am planning on another Hopper video with a few "mods:. Thanks as usual bud.
@@VINTAGEBACKYARDRC mods sounds interesting! Your video on the Grasshopper has me planning to go back to the 380 motor for next spring. Hopefully the revised table top stops some of the issues. I was surprised to see how much the gears suffered!
@@theoagrc I was as well. I think the astro and instant grip is actually more of a cause to the gears breaking especially when I overshoot) where the angle is hard on the plastic. I would like to get the Super Champ out there but not until this is all sorted. Might need a "it's to expensive to jump" layout...hahaha.
@@VINTAGEBACKYARDRC some cars are just getting too expensive to break and the prices keep rising. Sign that the hobby is popular again but not so good for any vintage models! At least with the layout you can take out the jumps fairly easily dude. What have you got planned for the winter months on the bench??
@@theoagrc Lots of car rebuilding also might show off that new parts cleaner. Product reviews as well for sure.
I had one in the 80s and I can definitely say the car was fragile but I suspect because I only drove it on the street outside my house and not on dirt. Every time I ran it something had to be fixed or adjusted. Eventually the car developed the gear box grind and I didn’t know what caused the issue or how to go fix it and lost interest in it. The car sat unused for about 10 years before I gave it away to a guy in my Toyota car club who had a big collection of RC cars.
Not the most robust of cars for sure.
The new reissue kit fixes most of the gearbox issues.
Not sure if you have done the mod to the Hornet or not but remove the black spacers below the caps, makes the rear end not so jumpy. Instructions say for softer suspension remove them.
Cool...Will give it a try!
Another excellent video! Loved the longer format I would love to hear the little blurb about the cars history again. The frog looks league's ahead of the hopper cars and over say a 10 minute race it would be rather substantial I think. Also your daughter doing some voice over was a nice addition. Great team you two are. Perhaps she can talk us through her time attack with her optima.
Was very fun to include her on the voice over (she was stoaked)! Thanks for the positive comment and suggestions. Very much noted.
Since I have the re-release out of the three pinions and three Spurs what would be good choice for 17 turnbrushed motor for it what would you use as a gear ratio of the three spur and pinion?
I don't remember what I put in (because of all the teardown and rebuild). If it were me...I would start in the middle and keep an eye on motor temps (and go from there).
Which gears do you like best, torque, standard, or high speed for the Frog?
I'll need to check but I am fairly sure I was running the standard (middle) set for this shoot. Anything bigger than this track and it's high speed all day.
I have this car and I'm going to put a maybe a 17 t brushed motor.
The Re-Re has much better outdrive dogs and better gear tolerances imo. 17t should be good to go!
That was another great video! Your channel pushed me to climb my attic and dig out my old Grasshopper 2 and upgrade it with new electronics - thanks to the info you provided in a response to a previous comment I posted.
30 years later it is now blasting away once again together with my son and his brand new 1:8 off roader. I have to say, the old hopper is keeping up pretty well! I think I want to upgrade the friction shocks, though. They max out a little too often.
One question about The Frog. Probably not a problem for this track, but the battery pack seems awfully exposed? Is it? Would it pose a problem if you took it off-road? I have never had a chance to inspect a Frog myself.
THAT'S AWESOME!
Oil shocks are a great upgrade for sure.
In all my years of running Frogs...I have never had a battery issue. That being said the lipo I run is a full hard case (I would not run a soft care lipo in this car for sure). Thanks for the great comment. Super happy to encourage somebody to blow the dust off an old vintage R/C!
Great video. Really happy I found your channel as I'm a huge vintage RC guy. The failures with the Fox gearbox are not uncommon. The issue is from the gearbox flexing and allowing the gears to move around. I learned with my Brat that the gearbox will absolutely not tolerate a throttle on landing even once on any surface that has traction. I have a baggie full of gear box parts I picked up as I would normally kill the Spur gear at least once per run. There are a few people making the braces at this point. I installed one on a monster Mud Blaster with a mild brushless system and have not had any issues.
Have spares on hand as well (can probably do a Frog gearbox blindfolded...lol). One of the main reasons we just stuck with a standard silver-can for these videos. Thanks for the great comment and the view!
I wonder if the snap ring got bent when you changed out the spur gear? Anyways, great vid!
At 4:46 there is a gap where the two ends of the snap ring are supposed to meet…
im a bit shocked a tamiya is that fragile, i dont have a ton of experience with them but i was under the impression they generally had durable cars.
When we were all bouncing around our backyards and streets...they were great for the most part. Especially when compared to the toy grade cars we also had back then (Turbo hopper ect.). My track has a jumps that a Frog probably should not be launching off...compounded with some high traction landing surfaces (not good on the gears). It's been neat to see what stuff holds up and what does not. The minimal suspension of the super vintage and lower lever cars seem to be the main issue. That being said...the Frog was surely more a more maintenance involved buggy over say a Hornet back in the day. Will say it was refreshing to have two trouble free runs with the Wild one and Fox. Thanks for the view and comment my friend.
@@VINTAGEBACKYARDRC love your channel, really brings back the nostalgia. I had plenty of the "toy" ones when i was a youngster never got a hobby grade one for some reason. My prized one was the Radio Shack Golden Arrow... LOOOOOVED that car, still got it today. 30 years later.
Did the Frog originally have 3 gear ratio options - I thought it was only 2 ?
Three on the o.g. 16,18,19 pinion (and related gears).
All I can say is thank God for traxxas 😀👍
Why are you driving your car like that? Dont keep down your throttle while landing a jump.
Normally yes I would agree. Check out the intro.
Why is there a difference in the time between the hornet and the grasshopper? The hornet won both times but yet they are basically the same car . So im curious as to why the hornet was faster
Hornet has more straight line speed. It uses the 540 size motor the standard for 1/10 scale cars, the grass hopper used a 380. The 380 was standard for 1/18 off road rtrs about a decade ago.
Rcguy has it correct. The main difference is that much larger motor. Also take a look at the Hopper to Hornet video as we have a breakdown of the small but vital differences in the two cars.
@@VINTAGEBACKYARDRC understood, i just was under the impression that your grasshopper was upgraded to a 540 can. In that case im quite impressed with the smaller motors performance, it seems that in an actual race on the track, that hopper can give a hornet a run for its money
Es un coche que no sirve para satar en circuito ,lo sabe cualquiera
Es un coche para terrenos de tierra o arena finas ,sin ucha piedra
Por lo que ,si quiere correr en circuito ,no es el coche adecuado
Part of what makes this so much fun my friend. Putting these backyard bashers through the ringer (and seeing if they can survive) is not much different than the torture we were putting these through as kids...lol. Many a skateboard ramp have destroyed countless Hornets & Frogs...lol. All for fun brother.
My first real RC was a frog... Never did get it to work right. It broke, mostly the spur gear, and the center of gravity sucked. It was a great toy, but not a competitive racer.
Think the earlier buggies were more of a good way to get involved with RC over a race car for sure. Definitely taught us a thing or two about maintenance...lol.
No question! The motor was way too high, as was the radio gear. That lead to some really weird handling properties.
This was my first kit, my VERY first was a 1982 vintage Radio Shack Dune Buggy! It was a hoot! But it ate alkalines like I eat potato chips... My 2nd kit was a Hotshot (mentioned in the Hot Shot vid). For giggles, I got the Fast Attack Vehicle. I never raced that, it was just for fun.
I dabbled with a 1/12th scale Tamiya pan car, the Toyota TOMS car. FAST little bugger.
I then elevated to an RC10. I figured out how to build the Vara-lock diff the right way. It just takes a lot of time! But when done, the gearbox will be so damned smooth, you won't want to upgrade!
Then it was a series of RC10 pan cars, with an LT4 being my last one before pan car racing died 20 years ago. Next was a budget oval F1 class we ran... I started with the Tamiya F1, but it was just too basic and lacked adjustment, so I upgraded to an HPI F1. Sweet chassis.
I then did a TC3, a B2 and most recently, a Tamiya F1 and now an Associated B64. Still dabbling, but I stopped racing back in 2001 when my older brother was diagnosed with brain cancer... priorities changed and RC racing seems trivial.
I really want to justify a 1/5th scale F1 car. They are trick!!! Expensive, but trick. Did I mention expensive?
@@realbogus Awesome story bud. Also very sorry about your brother.
If you are into the Tamiya cars at all still...The Re-Re kits are amazing to build and will take you right back to the 80's. They also improved a few bits on the Frog to make it slightly more reliable. Appreciate you sharing your RC memories with us. Rock On!