Subaru Solterra (Electric) - Subaru Good! Toyota Bad!
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- čas přidán 30. 03. 2023
- In a joint venture with Toyota, Subaru have created this full electric SUV. Toyota, the Anti-EV company, they did the EV part of this car! Eeek.
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I bought a Solterra back in June 2023. It's been one of the hottest summers I can recall here in Texas, USA, and the A/C runs all the time. So far, my average (lifetime) efficiency is 3.8 miles/kwh and sometimes I get close to 5mi/kwh on a given charge cycle. When I turn the A/C off, my car shows a range of nearly 300 miles when fully charged. I have yet to see what it's like in cooler weather since we are still in the heat of summer/early fall. I only run short trips around town, and for work. Usually only 15-20 miles a day. Sometimes I can go 2 weeks between charges. I'm a commercial photographer and the space in the back for carrying cameras, lighting and grip equipment, cases and cases of light stands, etc. on to location shoots is fantastic. My previous car was a 2017 Subaru Outback 3.6R and the new Solterra feels similar in many ways when driving, but even more nimble when parking etc. I really enjoy all the safety technology in the Solterra. I have never yet charged the car anywhere besides at home. I did get a Level 2 charger installed in my garage, and this allows for easy overnight charging. I agree the interior could be nicer, but it's really not bad. I definitely do not feel as though it's "cheap". None of the Subarus I have owned have ever felt particularly luxurious, but they just function well. Price? Well, I suppose it's all relative. I was offered a very nice trade-in value for my Outback and was given a sizable discount on the new Solterra so when I compared the cost to just buying a 2023 Outback, there was not that much of a difference. The Outbacks were not being discounted at all. I think with any EV, it's important to understand what they can and cannot do, and decide if it is a good fit for your needs. In my case, the Solterra thus far has been perfect. I would not recommend if regular long trips or daily commutes are your use case, however. Cheers!
Feels like an excuse to sell none of them and then say no one wants EV's and then discontinue it in favour of more self charging rubbish.
I put down the deposit for a Solterra here in the Eastern US, but after the Out Of Spec's 0 to 100% charge test where it wouldn't even get to 100% after more than 4 hours I nixed the order. I'm looking at an IONIQ5 for my next car - you can't beat the 800 volt charging equipment in the car. It's such a shame because we've had two Legacys and two Foresters (so we're fans of Subaru) but it does feel like Toyota shafted them.
The new CEO of Toyota is keeping with the odd decision. It's basically: "we're not going with EVs because the infrastructure isn't EVERYWHERE, so we're going with hydrogen and the infrastructure isn't ANYWHERE..."
Toyota betrayed Subaru. The best thing that Subaru could do now is work with other suppliers, get the best battery packs and high-voltage guts in their new cars, and develop their own standard away from Toyota's e-TNGA platform.
@@ShawnGBR - That middle paragraph sums it up for me.
@@ShawnGBR unfortunately subaru had no choice but to work with Toyota. Toyota owns 20% of Subaru and it is rumored that they want to fully acquire them.
@@ShawnGBR Which is quite likely. Subaru always does something unexpected.
This is a brand new technology, and I am quite sure, looking back in a few years time we'll claim all the present icons rubbish.
(At it may easily be that we look back from the horseback :) )
I confess right up front that I am an experienced Toyota Hybrid user, so to avoid being bored, you may decide not to read on: I pre-ordered a bZ4x in March 2022. Took delivery in December. Now done 2,800 miles. Today, (Sunday, April 2nd) as the sun finally came out, we took our dog to a park for a walk and a nice cup of coffee and cake. A 30 miles round trip. ‘A’ roads. Temperature 11C. Climate set on 19C. The car did 3.7 miles/kWh going (60% uphill) and 4.5 miles/kWh return (60% downhill ;). That’s a true average of 4.1, but let’s assume I’m over-egging it a bit and use 3.9 miles/kWh. Now, let's also use EVM’s stated 60 kW usable battery to allow for ‘charging losses’, (not 64). 30 miles / 3.9 = 7.69 kWh energy consumed. 7.69 X 7.5 pence/kWh = 58 pence for the trip. 58 pence / 30 miles = 1.9 pence per mile. Furthermore, 3.9 average miles/kWh X 60kW battery = 234 equivalent miles. Without worse case, 4.1 X 64 = 264 miles equivalent range. Even I wouldn’t claim to actually achieve that on a trip.
I’m really looking forward to the improvements Toyota will make in May when, in optimal temperatures of 22 - 24C, I think the equivalent of 270 miles will be achievable.
So, did my boring hybrid experience lead me to make a wrong decision in March 2022? Well, if you take into account I got my Finance at 4.9% APR, (now 8.9%), zero road tax, a free charger, servicing 47% less than ICE, 3 years pan-european roadside, 10 year Toyota warranty, 1 million km battery warranty, Oh and some direct information from Toyota to help understand EV technology, I’ll leave you to decide. 🙂
Prob worth noting this only has a 100k mile warranty on the car & battery.
@Electric Vehicle Man Noted, but your video headline said, Subaru Good! Toyota Bad!
As a farmer I had 3 Subaru Foresters in a row as they were as good as LR Defender on the land and for towing trailers.
I have replaced my Foresters with a Skoda Enyaq IV80x, with which I'm truely impressed. Yesterday for instance at short notice, (not a full battery) I took the box trailer & collected a couple of large wheels for an industrial loader, no problem, it was a most pleasant experience. I didn't need to charge, even though there were plenty of CCS rapid chargers en route.
It’s a cool car. I would imagine this will be the most reliable Subaru. No head gaskets and CVT to fail. Haha.
Two software updates recently for the Solterra, now a real world range of 350km, 4x fast charging in 24h, instead od 2x. Very efficiënt Ev motors, far better charging, always above 100kwh. Many other adjustments.
In the Netherlands the Solterra, bz4x won a comparison test with the ID4 and Audi q4 etron.....the Solterra the far better car.
Having a bong when you are reversing is very useful. There are many times I have engaged drive and not realised I was driving. We need a bong while driving forward as well. What if you don't notice your driving down the motorway. very useful.
I am 77, I need that bong. If you live that long, you will too.
Great review. Really disappointing that the range, efficiency and charging are so poor given this is the first and only proper SUV that you can use off road. I would love one is they could sort the range/charging. What you didn't really cover is its usp off off road. That is why I desperately wanted to like it but looks like I will need to wait for and save up for an electric Defender!
Totally agree with your assessment. I would only add that here in Spain Toyota has gone crazy. The will not sell the car only do renting. After paying a large up-front amount and a large monthly payment for the car you return it after 4 years AND you can only do 40K kilometers in the 4 years. They say that battery is warranted for 10 years and a zillion kms but who cares if you must return the car after only 4 years and 40.000 kms!
You are describing a PCP deal. Usually you can buy the car at the end of the 4 years OR give it back.
@@entropy5431 Wrong in this case. You are renting and have to return the car. Also, includes all maintenance, insurance and has a limit of 10.000kms/yr. although they don't specify the penalty as I was not interested in renting. Common to advertise these types of deals in Spain to make the monthly cost appear low.
@@elmojito Fair enough, sounds like an all in lease agreement then. I find it hard to believe you can't simply buy the cars at all outright but I don't live in Spain so will take your word for it.
@@entropy5431 I literally saw the car and it was OK and talked with my Toyota service agent, as I had taken my RAV4 for service, and he commented that when he asked and was told it was only a renting option he also wrote the car off. For me the insane discussion is Toyota quality, long lasting battery, and gas savings when you have to rent and can only do 10K kms a year.
£50k for that is just wild. The average mileage you got was ludicrous. What the hell are they thinking.
01:58 - Oh, I laughed when you mentioned tracing paper..! 🤣
£50K+.....!?
Come ON.....!!!!!
6:30 the user interface has been designed for the steering wheel to be on the other side of the car which is interesting seeing Japan drives on the same side of the road as the UK
There are other countries to sell to
@@matthewdilks2677 not many with this 💩
Yup, it's super lazy. Compare it to someone like Tesla where they have swapped the screen around for left-hand drive markets. Subaru/Toyota have totally cheaped out.
They could easily flip the software.
I could barely be bothered to check it out at the local dealer knowing the specs but I thought it might be worth considering depending on the price. Here in Malta it is more expensive than a Ioniq 5 which is better pretty much in every way.
I like the rear screen, it appears to be larger and more useful than many EVs. I quite like the shape in images, hope to see it in real life soon. Toyota marketing will use this as an example of why you should buy a Hybrid instead. I am not likely to ever purchase an EV and definitely not one without a rear screen wiper.
I don't disagree about the flaws of the Solterra/BX4X, tehy need to sort a lot out. However the Model Y could be vastly improved with some elements from the Toyota. The ride and seat comfort on the BZ4X fantastic and are vastly better than the Tesla. A hybrid of the two would make the perfect vehicle :)
Will the May23 Toyota bZ4x update also apply to this vehicle? The update addresses several of the issues you identified ….
Did it?
Hmmm… £50,000? Subaru UK have got their hand on ‘it’! That would make it about $100,00 in Australia, but it expected to be about $65,000.
Best stick with the MG EVs..
The backup chime can be disabled by the dealership...by going into the bottom of the SEAT BELT menu. Why there? Because they don't want anyone to disable it, is all I can figure.
But yes, they clearly put but the chime in for blind drivers. There is no other rational justification.
I own a BZ4x and can confirm I’m getting 2.6kw miles per kW
Full range on my AWD shows 217 on the app and then 169 with AC
I’m going to contact the dealer as I know there’s a software update to open the buffer up to give more range but that’s no good now
Did you end up getting the update I noticed after the update I'm getting between 15 to 20 miles more and it charges faster now also
CLearly, making a right hand drive version was an afterthought.. the console notch is for a left hand drive, so is the center screen. and glove box deletion. 😫
They drive on the left in Japan.
@@ElectricVehicleMan got him there, EVM.....!!!!
UNLESS .... it was made for a DIFFERENT market where they drive on the right .......!?!?!?!?
@@ElectricVehicleMan it wasn’t made for japan
That back end looks like a copy of the Mg4 Trophy
I don’t have a problem seeing through my streaming wheel on my e2008 or do I look over. But I’m only shout! What £50k+ 😮
There is a software update now that supposedly fixes a few charge calculation issues as of this last months.
Expensive cheap! Subie's are usually good 'farmer's cars', in that they are roomy, 4WD, and (usually) keep going. 20 years ago they were rot-boxes,, but then so were most cars! - and the flat four engines were prone to blowing up. Depending on how much room there is in the back with the seats down (can you lie down and use it as an emergency tin tent?) I think 30K would be marginally too much.
You mentioned an update which in fact in due in May which will out some more miles back into the battery from the rather large buffer at the bottom end and milage indicator will show a percentage and also when you turn on the heater there will be less of a drop in miles available. The steering wheel is no busier with buttons than e.g. Nissan Arya. not having a rear wiper is not a problem as it doesn't really get dirty and there is a rear camera with a washer giving a live rear view. There is a sub menu on the centre binnacle which you did not mention which is operational from the steering wheel giving lots of info while driving. Most of the things you mentioned as being difficult to locate are available using voice control e.g. radio, windows, sun roof blind, heating etc. All the panel gaps are how they should be and it doesn't leak and I also get good service from my local dealership.The reversing camera beep can be deactivated at the dealership and the other bleeps can be turned off or the volume lowered in the settings. You're correct about the interior it isn't fancy but having owned many Subarus in the past I suppose I'm used to that and as you say the milage isn't great compared to some other cars which can be more expensive but is that extra expense with it for the extra miles gained.When you take into account the spec that comes as standard on the Solterra you will be hard pushed to get a four wheel drive car for that price. I don't do a lot of miles and charge at home so it suits me. I looked at other cars such as Tesla but after sales not great. Hyundai Ioniq 5 with its flat 12 volt battery problem and Hyundai have finally admitted there is a problem with the car. Having the back up of a reliable dealership and where it is located is worth a lot especially if or when something goes wrong.
Thank you Johnny, I watched EVM’s video right through because I thought he was more open minded and objective based on previous videos I’ve watched of his but It seems everybody has jumped on the hate Toyota bandwagon. I agree with everything you explain about your Solterra. I’ve got an FWD Toyota version. I was shocked by my initial energy efficiency (in December/January), but I have had great direct response and support from Toyota UK in the form of technical information and knowledge sharing. And especially in response to their reaction to the criticisms of actually doing something about it. In addition to your excellent listing of features on your Solterra, I just want to add a couple more for the benefit of adding some balance to the negativity. 1) I have heated and ventilated seats. 2) The ‘LACK’ of a glove box (that all reviewers pick up on), is that it is part of the design for the location of a radiant heater, (also one under the steering column). This will provide supplementary heat to the driver and passenger footwells. And finally, with respect to ‘range’.Yes, I was a bit unhappy with my car's initial 2.5miles/kWh in December and January (N.B. allowing 64 kW ‘usable’ battery is equivalent to ‘only’ 160 miles). But now, at the end of March, I am achieving a best energy efficiency of 3.7 miles/kWh. So if Toyota’s update releases a usable battery to say 67kW, then that’s already equivalent to 247 miles. Then, when reaching optimum battery temperatures of 22C - 24C in summer, I am confident of exceeding 4 miles/kWh (about 270 miles). This confidence is justified by a test drive I did in May last year (before recall) that achieved 4.2miles/kWh. And one more thing, why do critics compare bZ4x and Solterra to the Ariya with an 84 kW battery? The Ariya’s got a bigger range because it's got a bigger battery. I do not regret having my bZ at all. All I need to do is patiently await the update and perhaps knock back against some of these unobjective and unresearched reviews. But quite honestly, I can’t be bothered taking time to do this again.
@Robert Cherry. At last someone who is happy with their car. I was beginning to think that I was the only one out there. Not everyone including myself like Tesla. I prefer more buttons !!!!and I don’t need or mis a glove box. Soft touch plastic and mood lighting appear to be the benchmarks by which everything is judged. Munroe is doing a tear down of the BZ4 at the moment and he says that Toyota have done things that he has never seen before and I look forward to seeing the remaining videos. It amazes me at the negative comments made by people who have probably never seen one, sat in one or driven the Subaru or Toyota. I don’t comment much but there are times when you feel you have to say something. Like you I’m looking forward to the upgrade and the summer weather. I hope you continue enjoying your Toyota.
Good to see another perspective but those DC fast charging times were shocking. Obviously not a problem for a suburban vehicle always charged at home but on longer trips you are going to sit at and hog the fast chargers for an hour or more.
I was a Forester owner and loved many aspects of the car but here in Australia (where the Subaru has been bombarding me with emails about this car) I cannot see this being an option.
@Johnny Boy Hi, who and where is 'Munroe' i'd like to see them. And it's worth reading 'Chris Carson's comments on here.
@Robsenga May. Over the years I’ve had every Subaru available in UK. in fact my last car was an e boxer Forester. Living in Scotland we don’t have huge distances to travel unlike you in Australia. I have read comments similar to yours from people living in North America. At the moment with what’s available schools across the ev spectrum 300 to 350 miles is probably as good as it gets. Best wishes to you guys down under from bonny Scotland
It’s just soft, brown and steaming
nope, not for me. too big, and expensive for the build, test drove an MG4 the other day, lovely.
The MG4 is a true "breakthrough" car - on price and value. MG will struggle to keep up with orders I'd have thought.
First time the conversion from EV to ICE ( boxer engine ) would be the right way round. Oh Dear!
Get it in blue with gold wheels.. all will be forgiven
When it comes to steering wheel, I think they took it to the opposite edge of the VW cars! Isn't it a little bit too many buttons? And no real buttons for climate control? Weird combination for sure.
This is basically a US market car. Subaru always sold way more cars in the US than ever they did in the UK.
❤14:56 🤣🤣🤣
The reason for the slow charging is that they have high battery waranty on the toyota so they dont want people to ruin the battery before warranty is done.
It's less warranty than a Tesla Model Y which offers 120,000 miles vs Toyota 100,000. Tesla is 8 years, Toyota up to 10 but in either case of the mileage comes up first, that trumps the years anyway.
@@djtaylorutube here in Norway its actally 10 years and 1 million km, think rest of eu too
Why would anyone by a new car deliberately crippled for the benefit of the 3rd owner?
@@danielstefanovic2604 Thanks for that, backward facing prison island prefers inferior warranty because *special* ;)
Found it ..
bZ4X B-roll, European Spec (2022) from Toyota has guaranteed that the 71.4kWh lithium-ion battery unit will retain at least 70% of its capacity for up to 10 years or one million kilometers (620,000 miles) driven (while most manufacturers offer 8 years and 100-150,000 miles).
The 10 year limit still is most likely to kick in first and at that point there's insignificant difference. If Tesla will warrant 100% supercharging for 8 years, having such a dire charge curve to get to 10 years isn't a selling point.
I've seen a video where they were excited to get around 50kWh from previous typical of 30kWh and gave up even trying to get to 100% because the curve appears to trend to flat at 95%.
@@bill_heywood You wouldn't. Which is why any sensible potential buyer of a used EV would ask for a diagnostic check on the battery. This would provide you with a print-out of the battery's SOH (state of health) in percentage terms. I assume you knew nothing about this? Unfortunately, it isn't possible to get a similar check done on a used ICE car, so you'd have no indication at all whether the engine had been overrevved while cold, run with low oil levels, driven sympathetically etc......
Rimac have a pool of cars from a lot of manufacturers so they understand what it is like to live with cars. Anyone who has driven an EV designed in a GOM and battery percentage. The next gen car may get it right.
That’s a £30 grand car. The Nissan Ariya is far far superior for the same money.
Seems that car was optimised for the LH drive market, corners then cut to make it RH drive. No drama's with that, shame it's not equal for both!
Japan drive on the left?
@@ElectricVehicleMan but Subaru's biggest market is North America, so figures they might lean that way with design! Japan is awesome, if you ever get the chance to go, do it! It's an experience! Love that place
Oh dear *facepalm, especially the charge curve. It had better respond to the warmer weather. Well it does have one good point ... CCS! Unlike the Lexus which clung on inexplicably to Chademo.
It is amazing to see the best of the ICE manufactures completely fail when the come to making a good EV. Toyota and Subaru are in trouble.
Its as if they have annagenda
Toyota still insists EV has no future, future is the Hydrogen cars.
@@yetufekci1 Well the EU has agreed to provide hydrogen refueling in 474 cities and refilling stations every 200km.
At least there's a plan there. Backwards facing prison island has no plan.
@@djtaylorutubeand where are they getting the hydrogen from? A plan is pointless unless it’s possible
@@djtaylorutube I am not against or in favour of hydrogen. But I don't see it is happening, at least in the UK. Oh crap, we are no longer in the EU 🤣
Great channel but why the regular negative comments of the Mach e, I have owned a SR RWD for 9 months, it’s wonderful car, lovely to drive, 3.3 kWh winter and 4.5 in summer, really nice interior (no cheap plastic)and best of all and something you never cover is the top safety awards it has received, to quote InsideEV’s channel “Ford Mustang Mach-E earned a five-star overall safety rating from Euro NCAP, as well as a Top Safety Pick designation” “The Mustang Mach-E achieves 5 stars in both categories, and it receives positive marks for including all of NHTSA's recommended safety” only Tesla in comparable. With grandchildren and a much loved dog in the car this is surely the most important feature. I could be mistaken but as far as I can ascertain no other EV’s have achieved this top rating. Regards
I had considered a Mach-e. i was really nice to drive but I didn't like the shape and it was more expensive than the Audi Q4 S-Line that I bought in the end.
The Mach e is a fantastic EV. Only reason I ended up going with a lease on the Bz4x was the vehicle is 10k cheaper and has a warrant covering the entirety of the lease. Base models have similar range and features. I live in Canada so maybe the Mach e is similar price in different parts of the world .
Available at a lease cost circa £350pm………😊
Hello guys
For the asking price of the bz4x and the solterra i will buy a second hand jaguar i-pace
Kyle from Out of Spec did a test of 0-100% charging on the Toyota version and he was there at the DC charger for about 4hrs from memory that is how bad the charging is on this so totally understand. No glovebox is madness what were they thinking, helping themselves become Kodak in future along with their partner Toyota.
A pity really. What were they thinking?
It's down to Toyota's EV apathy. They threw away the biggest opportunity they ever had with the Prius. They ought to have developed and evolved that car into a full on EV years ago, but didn't. Instead they let Nissan take up the baton and develop and market the Leaf, which was basically responsible for breaking EV's into the mainstream. And now Toyota are banging the hydrogen drum, just as General Motors did over 40 years ago..... When will these people learn? It's going to take decades, and billions of pounds to get to the point where the UK has a viable hydrogen infrastructure. It's like someone now trying to trumpet the virtues of air travel by Zeppelin.....Hydrogen is neither practical nor convenient. You'll never be able to fill up at home on your drive, on cheaper rate. And if it ever takes off, then it won't be cheap either once the fuel companies monopolise it....
They'll need a range of more affordable EVs than this to meet the UK Government's 2024 new car sales targets that start at 22% in 2024 and get ramped up each subsequent year.
The 22% target won't be an issue Brian, because new EV sales are already at 15% of the new car market. It was generally always held up that EV's would take 25% of the new car market by 2025, and that looks to be on target.
On the plus side. It's better than MX-30. Maybe the Japanese need to work harder on building EV's?
Why is background play not available for this video?
I thought you worked in IT?? Been hired by Subaru?
Back what?
@@ElectricVehicleMan it's a feature of CZcams premium, allowing CZcams to continue playing audio in the background on your phone either when using other apps or with the screen off. I vaguely think I had the same issue with other videos but since I'm too cheap to pay for it I haven't tried since the free trial ran out 😃.
Members only video probably prohibits that?
I PASSED ON YOUR MESSAGE ABOUT DOING A VIDEO ON EV/CHARGING ETC.WITH THAT FOOD BLOKE (THE MACMASTER). THINK HE MIGHT BE INTERESTED. AS HE SAID BRING IT ON LOL. THINK HE IS NOW WAITING FOR YOU TO GET IN TOUCH.
Where?
@@ElectricVehicleMan Where what?
@@wheelz9417 where’s the post?
On your video 3 days ago (Electric cars are just **%^ & kill the world &set on fire!!!). You said you would love to do a video with the chap about EVs and the charging network etc. I passed it on to him. So it's now down to you to contact him. Maybe even watch your video to remind yourself what you said.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Watch said video from 19 mins onwards
Efficiency at 2.5 or less is very close to Ford F150 Lightening!! Disgraceful...!!! May as well buy a second-hand iPace... At least fit and finish would be really nice!!
That's true, and the second-hand iPace might be around half the price of this unsightly lump, and it'll be way nicer to drive.
Wow this is embarrassing for suburu.
Is that worse than a Audi Q8 Etron???
Efficiency is the same as the 55 etron. And that car feels like it will sink if you take it off road.
Sadly, as nice as they undoubtedly are, Audi EV's are not the most efficient around. Solid state battery technology ( no more than a couple of years away now) will see battery pack size and weights reduce by 30%.....and range increase by a similar amount.
It is identical with the bz4x, it has only one purpose in life, not to be sold so Japan can say there are no demand for EVs.
Subaru solterra looks like a Toyota bz4x from the side
That's because it is.......it just has a few minor changes and some Subaru badges.
Does it look like the MG ZS ...??
Er.....NO .!!
Well....only in as much as nearly all new EVs are pretty much the same angular, bland, faceless box on wheels.....!!
Most are only identifiable by peering at the logo on the hubcaps!!
Struggled to watch to the end because, well, SUV, price and well most things truly horrible
Congrats on reaching 69
£50k for cheap plastic crap.
World's gone mad.
Not really. You just need to use your own subjective judgement, and then choose something else in preference to this. For example, if I wasn't bothered about the lack of range, yet was considering an SUV in this price range, then I'd pop into my nearest Audi showroom.
No rear wiper on a proper SUV? That's a no from me then.
Not helped by the high price, steering wheel layout & a few other issues. Simply not worth the asking price.
Poor infotainment! I had a Lexus ant it was the most ridiculous infotainment I’ve ever used. It must have been logically to someone. 😂
Given Subaru's tiny share of the market here in the UK, Im surprised they even brought this car into Britain. But sill, EV's are pretty much the buzz word at the moment. And Toyota now say (after almost 20 years of producing the Prius hybrid) that EV's don't work. Clearly Elon Musk isn't listening. Too many buttons in the centre of the steering wheel for me. I find them off-putting. That plastic sounded *really* cheap and scratchy......This car won't break any EV sales records.
You know when you and other EV reviewers mention when an EV doesn’t have a rear wiper and could be an issue? Well, nobody mentions it when most large Audi, BMW, Tesla, Mercedes marques don’t have them fitted, which most don’t! My 2020 38kw Ioniq electric doesn’t have a wiper and after driving for a few mins the rear screen is totally clear, even in torrential rain.
What a disaster!!!!
Wow, a 'Toyota' that's not as good as an MG at 60% of the price. 'Toyota' disrupting itself.
A Ioniq 38 has a better range and better charging (and they say the charging on that car sucks) and you could have 2 second hand ones and change left over for this poor effort from Toyota, I feel sorry for Subaru that they are brought down by this shoddy alliance
Yes, range and efficiency are the 2 most important factors,forget 0-60 times they are all good enough, but circa 2.5 miles/Kwh is a killer.
Looks like it is primarily a LHD car that has been adapted to RHD, hence the non symmetrical front layout, and they could not be bothered with a glove box.
Charging ports, in my view, should be front or rear, not near the front door partway down the car, worst of all worlds.
Toyota has lost the plot as regards EVs.
Sorry, not for me.
Too many short comings and that styling………
Yes, the styling isn't to my taste either. A bit Space 2001.........
It can go off-road... No it can't. It can do a bad road/trail, maybe a grass field, but actual off-road is wishful thinking. It is already for several decades that most car manufacturers have only sold SUV's with nothing more than the illusion of off-road (which is also why they are called SUV's and not off-road...)
£15k too expensive for its specs, useless efficiency, hopeless real world range, woeful road trip charging
Subaru needed to partner with a company that can make good EVs, not Toyota
I'd suggest Hyundai/Kia.........
Extraordinary. Not in a good way.
That interior is truly weird. An annoying mix of potentially decent stuff ruined by a load of cheap nasty materials - especially a boat load of nasty glossy black plastic. That is not the interior of a £50k car, it would be cheap on a £25k car.
Then there is abomination of an infotainment system, it seems to have been designed by someone who has never driven a car.
The range is abysmal for a £50k car, the charging speed is worse.
It is a complete dud.
I know you're a Yorkshire man, but buy some new jeans.
We're not really bothered about EVM's sartorial elegance Mike, it's the cars we're interested in....and what he has to say about them.
Gross... All those touch buttons and single LED switch lights around the instrument display....looks like they are recycled off an 1980's microwave.
Its just the plastic…..
Er, no. It's the awful range as well. My Kia eNiro (with the same size battery) can go around twice the distance.....
That is a turd of a car and I feel pity for the pr department.
It really seems like, we need to get a car out and just get some components and slap it together.
Is this a sign of hard far behind Toyota are eeek.
And they do say you can't polish a turd.......
It's just a compliance EV, horrible 😮
Honda civic ehev the answer.
Not really. It's a self charging hybrid which relies totally on petrol, and petrol has no long term future. If you saw Shell's last business report, it might shock you. Shell plan to cut the production and refining of petrol and diesel by 40% on the run up to 2030. See what I mean? It might also surprise you to discover that Shell, along with the National Grid, were two of the organisations who lobbied the Government to bring forward the ban on the sale of new ICE cars and vans from 2035, to 2030........
Looks awful, and clearly they designed it without ever really looking at any human factors. Plenty of space but no glove box, steering wheel blocks view of screen, main screen too far away to operate etc etc. Then the cost is ridiculous, can’t see this selling at all.
Horrible yoke. Square plastic wheel arch.
Not very efficient
Interior looks like child through in all the bits. How would you want to spend time and money in there.
Also RAV4 and b4zbx
I hate square wheel arches too. I'm glad it's not just me......
Hmm, ouch. A half arsed attempt by Toyota to at least make something. Very disappointing! Strange, as their future doesn’t look too great for them like this. And I feel sorry for Subaru, who did a very good job instead..
Very poor EV attempt indeed 👎
A terrible car. Best regards Martin
My Zoe can charge faster than that, and it doesn't have CCS!