The Curious Case of Saquon Barkley
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2024
- When you take a deep dive into Saquon Barkley's metrics, they're not as impressive as you'd think. Why is that the case, and how will that play out now that he's with the Eagles?
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I would love to see comparisons and film breakdown of Miles, and De'andre before and after philly
Great video BTW. This content is gold
to this video i say : but did he have ever have jeff stoutland lol
I’m stoked for the upcoming season, but unless they take an OT early (which does seem likely), we have a bit of uncertainty on our OL - by our insanely high standards. Jurgens looked great, but replacing a HOFer is never easy. Steen did not impress me one iota last season. Granted, he was switching positions as a rookie, so I’m def not giving up on him. Lane has had injuries the past few years.
Regardless, the OL will obviously be the best Saquon has ever had. Just hope the right side of the OL can be as good as in previous years. Infusing Amarius Mims would be a welcome, massive - literally and figuratively - addition.
Long as Jalen balls out, this should be a NCFCG/SB season.
That's fair in terms of his vision getting to the line, doesn't explain why he's just been average on plays where he's been given room to work though.
@@PhillyFilmRoomI think being in NY ingrained some bad habits in him since he was so used to getting hit behind the line. With Moore at the helm, plus significant upgrades at QB, WR, and Oline, I think we’ll see a major difference.
Probably bc he is expecting the run blocking to break down on every play.@@PhillyFilmRoom
Playing for the Giants forced Saquan to try and hit the big plays as he was there only weapon. Playing with the talent that the eagles have will force him to take what is giving to him rather than trying to hit the big plays l.
Agreed
This was my first view of your channel, and it was outstanding. I love that you presented a fair analysis here, although I’m shocked at some of the numbers. I always thought he would wind up on the RB Mount Rushmore at the end. Promise us you’ll do a follow up after this season? Please God, protect him.
I also think that, as you mentioned, his pass-blocking is valued by our management as much as anything else.
I noticed that Saquon almost always carries the ball in his right arm, even when running left. He only has 6 career fumbles, so it doesn't seem to be a major issue for him
He has great ball security, only 6 fumbles in his career on over 1500 touches.
One of them was flukey last season..the ground knocked it out lol
He could probably hit 3,000 this year if we used him WAY more than we should, but realistically we’re only going to see him just above 1,000 because our offense is a multi-faceted option producing machine with an actually competent coach
The record is just over 2,500 yards, that would be a lot to think he would break the record by 500 yards, especially since he's been more of a volume runner rather than an efficient back. But he will be a great tool to fit in with everyone else on this offense. I think he'll get 1,400+ rushing yards. Receiving yards is a wild card, mobile QBs generally don't throw to backs at a high rate.
@@PhillyFilmRoom oh that 3,000 was if we basically exclusively ran him, but I think Kellen Moore’s offense will prioritize passing so I don’t think he’ll be as high as you predict, especially with the likelihood that he’ll be schemed for checkdowns almost as much as he’ll be strictly running so his passing yards will take away from his rushing yards
If he’s used as returner as well then he could break the all purpose yards record but even then not 3k
@@dantethunderstone2118 again, 3K was if we ran the vast majority of the time and used him exclusively, that was more to say he’s an incredible RB talent. I predict we’re going to see a lot more of Britain Covey this year though
Saquon will be Fine. You're overthinking..
Like I said, assuming he's healthy for the majority of the season he'll have a career year in this offense. Still fair to point out that he metrics were just average even accounting for plays where he was given room to work.
@@PhillyFilmRoomfair enough. But there’s definitely something to be said for being on a team with an actual OLine, plus the threats of AJ, Devonta, and Goedert out there, which should open up a lot of holes for him (and help the offense in general, since teams will constantly have to worry about Saquon or Hurts ripping off a big run).
Also his ability to block will be super helpful, obviously Smitty is too small to block, and Swift wasn’t good at it either.
Facts, ppl forget that Swift was not having the success ppl had hoped he would plus he couldn’t finish a full season. He touched a 1,000 for the first time and was able to play a full season. You said it yourself, this is a running back paradise and the Giants haven’t had an offensive line since odell caught the football with 3 fingers.
@@PhillyFilmRoomyou also fail to acknowledge how banning a hip drop will likely unlock a new barkleu
Swift was good, but he wouldn’t Block
While I'm happy the Eagles signed him, I couldn't quite shake a niggling feeling about him. You just hit the nail on the head for me. I do hope Kellen uses him more in the run game. MINIMUM 15 carries per game.
He'll still be a good back, I just don't know if he's a top 5 back like he's being paid as. Best back they've had though since LeSean. I'm sure he'll get a heavy workload, would be a waste of money if he didn't.
@@PhillyFilmRoom Why is Julian Blackmon still not signed with anyone? Are there flaws that are keeping teams away?
The biggest thing to consider for the Eagles run game and Saquon Barkley this year is Kellen "never seen a pass play he didn't like" Moore!
Such quality analysis as always. It is evident that you take a ton of time to get the important numbers that tell the story. Keep uo the great work.
Giants fan here. You got a good leader and great guy. I wish him good health but even if he was still on my team I would have been concerned about his injury history. He will do much better with the better OLine but his last injury when he pulled a hamstring there was no one near him. Good luck except when playing the GMen.And kick ass when playing the Cowboys .
Awesome video, agree with everything!
Here @ 4k 🦅. Great work
Great analysis 🙏🦅😎
Very good vid!
The best thing about this trade is it will force Kellen to s run first offense....no way your spending that much ti run him like we did swift last year
100%. To be fair to Kellen, he was more run heavy than McCarthy. Tony Pollard even mentioned in a recent interview that Moore likes to use the run to set up the pass more.
Starts about 5:00 in here:
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I'm not as excited as other Philly fans are for this guy,
This video is not hating. I think Roseman would agree with most of what you said. But the fact Howie signed him to the biggest free agency deal (in a loaded RB class) is the biggest "metric" to me. The guy has gone years trying to piecemeal the RB situation. He was at the forefront of depressing RB's wages. So, the league zagged as a whole to not pay top RBs top money. I really think this is when Howie chose to zig. Once D'Andre gets 3/24.5M, the difference between a good-not-great 2-down back and a great 3-down back was "only" $4-4.5M per year. To me, that's "3D chess" at its finest. I don't think Howie is blind. I think he knows the risks. But the risks are larger without a tried-and-true 3-down back, especially behind an OL with loads of talent. And if it goes the way of DeMarco, he's "only" guaranteed two years.
Lastly, if the Eagles O stays healthy, the sideline markers should say, "1st and 8" on every single possession. Btw, if Jalen Carter was taken by ATL, one really wonders if Howie would've actually taken Bijan in the top-10. We all dismissed them as smokescreens, but all of these rumors seem to have teeth. We'll see. I'm not as excited as some about Bark's signing; however, he's gonna be a positive, impactful player. JMHO.
You're sleeping if you're not excited about saquon
@@viciousvigilante4985 I’m very excited about Saquon
Weird comment. I literally wrote we went from a “good two-down back” (Swift) and got a “great three-down back” (Barkley).
@uncletom356 you say you're are very excited now but then you said " I'm not as excited as some about Bark's signing" so are you caught in between ?
People can be excited for him but not have the same sky high expectations that everyone else has. Someone in the comments said Saquon could go for 3,000 yards this season (that's 500 yards over the all time record). We do this every offseason: see Nolan Smith post draft when people were saying he was going to lead the Eagles in sacks. There's a middle ground between being excited for a player and saying he's going to break all time records. I'm excited for Saquon and think he'll have a career year with the Eagles but I can also see that he hasn't performed as well as the top backs in the league.
Agreed on the contract differences between these 2 down and 3 down guys. I also think RB contracts have been deflated enough now (relative to current cap situations) that it makes sense to pay for some of these guys. Especially since Barkley is an all around back that can hit big plays, handle short yardage situations, make plays as a receiver and not be a liability as a pass blocker. He provides a lot of value in different ways that you can understand why he was paid top 5 money, even if he hasn't been a top 5 back from an efficiency stand point.
Us Giants fans watching Barkley over the years "WHERE YOU GOING?!" the hole was THAT WAY!
Great breakdown and content! Definitely surprised to see him average at best when it comes to how he's performed in space, in terms of YAC and Missed tackles forced. He definitely has some highlight "sit you down" type plays where he jukes guys out of their cleats, but agreed that sometimes he seems to take the 'I'll cut and try to outrun them" path, instead of a well-placed stiff arm or jumpcut move. The Pass blocking numbers, i think, are why Howie paid what he paid. Saquon has gotten much better at Pass Pro, and it was a big issue last year for the offense and Jalen. Hoping that he settles in a bit to trust holes will open for him to work more consistently. He's still got a great acceleration from 0-60, but it does seem like he's lost a bit of top end speed (although he didn't get many if any long runway-type runs in 2023 to showcase top-end speed tbh, NYG offense didn't give him many ops. there) Overall, I think he'll come in knowing he's a piece of the whole, a strong player that doesn't need to "save the team" every time he steps on the field or gets the ball. That should make him play a bit looser, trust a bit more in the offense and his teammates. He also takes care of the football better than a majority of backs who have gotten his # of touches. Hoping for a great year for him. He's an amazing locker room presence from all accounts, does a ton for local communities which will shine here. Should be fun to see what he does!
Saquon is traumatized by bad blocking. That could easily account for certain metrics ranking low. I think any running back would start getting too creative if there’s no blocking.
Thanks!
Thanks for the support!
I think saquon will have a good year but his best year will be next year once he settles in the offense and improves his vision
Coming to the realization of what the Giants fans know. Barkley, we loved him but he isn't the guy he was a few years ago!
Welp now it’s almost illegal to tackle him in the open field now so he should go crazy now. lol.
We finally put some real money into a running back AFTER the greatest center to play the game retires. Obviously it remains to be seen how Saquan will do this year, but it makes you wonder what could have been.
I think Saquon will still have a good year. The OL should still be good, but yeah would've been nice to see him play with Kelce.
Do a video on Huff 🦅💯
Seconded, huff is a beast but his snap count per year is low
The video b4 is about huff
Already did
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Aw man.. don't think I'm gonna like watching him too much 😢 great breakdown.. vision seems to be lacking & hes too got damn big to not be breaking no tackles
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I think he goes outside cause inside almost always ends in missed blocks lol I feel like all of his bad decisions are based on his past experience with a Giants line
I'd agree if Breece Hall and Derrick Henry, who have had similar horrible OLs, bad QB play and overall lack of talent around him, didn't rank in the top 10 (often top 3) in all these same metrics. The reality is, Saquon has always been a superior athlete who beats people with his athleticism. They tend to be players that try to bounce runs outside or outrace defenders. The problem is, Saquon doesn't have the same burst & top end speed he used to have to do that. He's trying to outrun people instead of using pace and movement to set them up and he's getting caught more. He'll have to adjust his game as he ages.
@@PhillyFilmRoom good point
@@PhillyFilmRoomdo you think his supporting offensive weapons could have anything to do with that? He’s going to be on a loaded offense now(top 5 or 10 line, top 5 or 10 receiver duo, and a good QB)
Jeff Stoutland is all i gotta say
A running backs best friend
Video should be titled "How to nitpick on Saquon Barkley"
Why do you think his numbers are just average at best even when looking at plays where he was given room to work?
@@PhillyFilmRoom your numbers are skewed. This is why I hardly ever agree with numbers guys like you. You didn’t account for Saquon being the main piece to the offense. All the Giants had was him. No WR threat, TE wasn’t utilized correctly, QB is a bum or was injured, terrible coaching, combined with the 28th ranked Run Blocking OL in the NFL. Watch the damn games. Defenses keyed on Saquon so even when he had plays where he “had room” he really didn’t bc teams were in his area most of the time. You’re looking at a problem and creating a complex solution. Now compare it to Philly? Where he will now have an All Pro WR AJ Brown, Pro Bowl caliber WR Smitty, Pro Bowl caliber TE Goedert, a top rated OL with the best OL coach in football, and a coordinator that’s had multiple #1 offenses. It’s night and day and it’s that simple. Those numbers you have don’t mean anything. You’re literally nitpicking.
Giants fan here, everything you said on 1000% on point because diehard Giants fans been saying it the past couple years! And we wanted him back and love him but we were told he was AP, Barry Sanders and tbh.. that first year.. he was Elite but his name is better than his actual game. He doesn't break tackles, average pass protection, below average vision and isn't an efficient get ever yard out there back! He leaves a lot of yards out there and gets banged up easily. This is why a lot of us was ok w GM not overpaying him. We hate the Eagles, not him per se. Maybe he turns it around behind their Oline but his vision has been bad since he got drafted and I thought he'd get better but he never did etc. Great video
He said he will have his best year with us. I think this is a fair breakdown
Saquon has definitely lost the fastball. Has been caught on breakaway runs and bungled some as you point out. He’s still good though, if he improves on technical stuff he could have a big couple years.
He'll definitely have some good years with us. But yeah, he's not outrunning guys as much as he used to. Still plenty of burst left in him though.
You are finding numbers to fit a narrative this is my favorite back ever just watch and learn lol nerd
Don't you think your favoritism for Saquon might be causing you to ignore the stats to fit your narrative? The numbers are the numbers, I literally went into it trying to look at stats that I thought would be favorable to Saquon (looking at plays where the OL actually blocked well) and those numbers were just average or worse. What numbers should I look at that would put him in a favorable light? He's been top 10 in YPC, Yards after contact, Missed tackles forced or Explosive run rate just once in his career (2018).
Your apprehension aside I might add also invites bias. Numbers translate many variables but don’t seem to show up in the intangibles. He is a born leader.
His body of work is perspectively skewed due to horrible mismanagement by the NY Giants. Demoralizing as it was he still was the feature of the offense he won’t need to be that here
Barkley hasn't played behind a real offensive line or with a real passing threat in his entire career lol.
He'll be doing both for the first time in his career.
If Miles Sanders can thrive you're on crack if you think Barkley can't.
With the outlaw of the hip drop, i don’t know how you even try to stop that
Some barkley fans struggling to accept facts lol
Bad all oline blocking will not happen with us go birds
Damn. We got fleeced
Someone aint watch the whole video
We didn't get fleeced at all, with our o line he'll be a lot more trusting of his O line.
I wouldn't say fleeced. He still provides a lot of value with everything he can do. Can hit big plays, be a short yardage back, provide value as a receiver and can pass protect. Just hasn't been as efficient as the top backs. Still the best back we've had since LeSean.