Is Protestantism Heresy? Pt. 1 - The Virgin Mary | Collision w/ Jeff Durbin
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interestingly, catholicism is heretical, according to the Bible and its true definition.
Jesus. 335
Mary. 1
Mary was so important to the apostles when they were writing their letters to the New Testament churches that she was only mentioned once after Jesus had ascended to heaven. (Acts 1:14)
Jesus on the other hand was named 335 times. Mary was clearly unimportant to the early apostles. She has no role in salvation. She was an honorable young woman from Nazareth. She obeyed God.
1.
Scripture does **not** teach the idea that we need to send anyone for us to the throne of God to ask for grace or mercy, anyone including Mary. On the contrary, we are warmly invited to approach God's throne.
Hebrews 4:14-16 ESV -
*Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.*
2.
That little word "until" shows that Mary was not perpetually a virgin. And, yes, it is in the original Greek. Grammar is not complex.
Matthew 1:24-25 ESV -
*When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.*
3.
Jesus exalted the word of God and obedience to it above his family members.
Matthew 12:46-50 ESV -
*While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.*
This is a companion passage to Matthew 12.
Luke 11:27-28 ESV -
*As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”*
4.
She herself glorified her savior. She was not a sinless person.
Luke 1:47 ESV -
*and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,*
In Lourdes,, Fatima, Guadalupe, to name a few places, the Mother of God visions have brought millions of pilgrims to the Holy Church, which is God The Son. Everything the Blessed Virgin does is in honor of God.
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Exodus 7:12 ESV -
For each man cast down his staff, and they became serpents. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs.
@@boltsfan9939 Mary has died, there is no Scriptural source for the Bodily Assumption and any attempt to talk to the dead is sorcery, the same applies to the saints, so if you pray to Mary or a saint, you are attempting sorcery and thus heresy. Mary is only named once after the ascension of Christ in all the Scriptures, the Apostles did not consider her even remotely relevant.
Jesus was also called her first born which assumes more children to come from her.
I’m a missionary in Mexico and as most know most are Catholic here and it’s so different here. Idol parades, witchcraft and other things. I’m really thinking about doing some videos of what goes on here to give people another perspective of what the Roman Catholic Church has done. It’s a mess here
God bless you for all your work you're doing, may He give you peace and safety 🙏
I’m a Mexican who was first Catholic and I know exactly what you mean it wasn’t til I started reading the Bible that God opened my eyes to how Catholicism goes against Gods word.
Yeh be sure to include the official teaching of the Catholic Church in your videos to show that all of these things are absolutely forbidden!
Don't confuse the mixing of the once native americans culture mixing with Catholicism. That's like me mixing the LGHDTV of protestantism. If you want to accuse Catholics for the art of the saints have at it, we debate that all day, but to bring up the native american culture of Mexicans where they are doing weird Aztec or Mayan rituals is very ingenuine of Catholicism. Basically straw manning. Y'all can be better than that.
@@stevec9095thank you
Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." He made it simple and direct.
And Catholics wholeheartedly agree with that statement
@@fabulousgerro661 I would suggest for non-Catholics (even Catholics too) to actually read the catechism of the Catholic Church and one can see how very few times Mary is mentioned in it as well as the saints.
If one doesn’t want to read it, there’s the catechism in a year podcast on CZcams and other podcast platforms where different excerpts from the catechism are read daily and explained by a priest named Mike Schmitz.
A few years ago he had done the Bible in a year where it was the same concept.
@@EJ-gx9hl...but they instead pray to the saints and Mary?
@@salvadorreyes1337 praying isn’t worshipping. Then why do you ask friends and family members to pray for you or to keep you in their prayers?
they pray for their wants ....instead of going to GOD , they pray to statues ...thats the difference. when one asks for prayers ...its so you pray to GOD the father not to a statue.@@EJ-gx9hl
Series looks great!
All doctrine unique to the Catholic church is unnecessary if Christ's sacrifice is complete.
If Christ's sacrifice was perfect and he took away all sin past, present, and future than...
Penance has no purpose.
Purgatory has no point.
Absolution is unnecessary.
Need I go on?
Yes, Christ's sacrifice on the cross is complete and Final. The Bible confirms this repeatedly.
Flee this Anti-church.
Trust In Christ Alone.
Trust in him alone like you would trust a parachute. You can add nothing to a parachute by flapping your arms. Just as you can add nothing to the perfect and finished sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross for all of your sins. Do not cheapen the saviors work by adding mans tradition on to it.
Find a real church that does not withhold drinking from the cup from its lowly non-priest membership.❤
*Honest questions are welcome.*
❤❤❤
amen
What is a real church . I’m a a member of a Lutheran church and a chalice is an option at communion .
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Matthew 26:27 LSB -
And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;
Mark 14:23 LSB -
And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, and they all drank from it.
Luke 22:20 LSB -
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
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The command from Christ does not seem to be ambiguous or unclear in any way.
Meaning your church is likely in disobedience. Do lutherans believe in Sola scriptura or not?
I do not know a great deal about Lutheran's.
I know there are at least a few kinds, some more obedient than others. We could probably say that about any denomination.
Did Jesus not give his Apostles specific instructions? Those instructions have been passed down through the ages for 2000+ years..... I do trust in Him alone and if he left instructions and they are in Scripture, who am I to question God? Satan is the one trying to take away our grace and many people allow him to do just that! When Jesus GAVE US HIS MOTHER from the cross, I believed Him and thank Him every day. If it were supposed to be different, what is the point of the story of the wedding at Cana?
Would love to see a Jeff durbin and jay dyer debate
Don't hold your breath my friend.
@@icxcnika7722 Yeah, Jeff has a whole ministry to run to bring people to salvation, not just a YT channel.
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Yet he somehow manages to find the time to put out misinformation such as this.
@@icxcnika7722please show us the misinformation.
Thank you for this series!
All this chapters and verses is for all you guys with love and respect!🙏🙏🙏
Hey Jeff!
Do you view it as heretical to add your own words, sentences, concepts, and ideas to James 2? We'd love to hear your explanation for why you tried to re-write the Bible in order to support your man-made doctrine of justification by faith alone: czcams.com/video/zNx0P0b-xmE/video.html
God bless!
You are awesome! I watched Durbin for years but I just found you. Your videos on Durbin and White made it so obvious that sola dude and sola scriptura makes no sense. And all you did was read the Bible with common sense!
Thank you for speaking the truth in love. I really like the term 'doctrinal development.' I think it wise that each of us consider how we might have bought into it, or how our local church might be doing some version of it. It's pretty challenging to live a religious life without doing it, at least on some level. It's how we are as humans.
Yeah & the Catholic Church being the true ancient Church established on the apostles & prophets, has the authority to develop doctrine but also a teaching or practice can have always existed but not have been given a title or even made Dogma. No Salvation outside the Church has developed over time which is a good thing for many & was held because Catholicism was the only Christian Church so any outside or committing heresy would be condemned...onto today & the Church says that only if one knows the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ & still denies or refuses to be in communion w/ it, is outside of salvation, so obviously most Protesters are not seen this way, its just all they've known, but to add, even dissension or schism is sin per scripture. The best solution which is nowhere in sight, is to be one as the Son & the Father, our Lord & God are One, just as Christ prayed in John 17
Calvinists are slick with word games and semantics. They have all kinds of unbiblical word phrases. They're a tricky sneaky bunch.
@ApologiaStudios Will you guys also be talking about the Orthodox church's view on these topics as well or only the Catholic? Thanks for the content:)
I fell they’ll only go at the Catholic Church. I feel most Protestants tend to forget about the Orthodox Church.
@@EJ-gx9hland or basically they don’t even know it exists😂
Or how about instead of the "Roman Catholic" view, how about they talk about the Byzantine Catholic view, or the Maronite Catholic view, or the Syriac Catholic view? Oh wait...it's all the same. So much for a 4th century invention by ROMAN emperors, no?
agree on all points. Thank you
Authentic Christians do not worship Mary btw. It is a lie to say so,
@@wordforever117 Hold in respect yes, worship? NO
Here comes the Catholics in the comments... Catholics, we don't hate you.
And Catholics do not hate you. I guess we are even.
Where's Purgatory in the Bible?@@armandocerda4655
You don't respect us enough to learn even a little bit about Catholicism before attempting to trash it.
@NickJaramillo-gi7gsJust so you know...all Catholics are born again. They have to be born again in order to be received into the Church!
Also by the way, Idolatry is considered a mortal sin in Christianity, which means that it causes someone to lose their salvation....very serious. So the authentic Christian teaching is very much against idolatry.
Hope that helps you understand some basic things about Christian teachings - they go back a very long way and are authentic to the ancient teaching of the Apostles and the first bishops!
I would love to see a conversation with Jay Dyer whos a orthodox christian. I think its absolutely needed now.
they won't do it, James White already said he doesn't debate EO.
Jame White ought to debate Orthodox philopher Perry Robinson, but he's smart enough to know he doesn't stand a chance, he would get thoroughly smashed and exposed.
And Durbin should take on Dyer, but that wouldn't go well for Durbin and apologia's reputation as he'd also get smashed.
Heck even Seraphim Hamilton and the guy from Telos bound and the guys from Orthodox Shahada would give apologia a run for their money.
@@icxcnika7722 Its not that they are afraid to debate EO. That's not their focus. I know James has addressed EO error regularly. Its more of a challenge to debate RCC due to concepts like prevenient grace and definitions of grace. Now EO is becoming more of a problem as people are trying to return to a concept of originality in our wicked age. The issue with pursuing EO is it lacks original intent, seen in the early church fathers.
Debating EO is quite easy. EO is the most clear example of works-based dogmatic idolatry, even surpassing that of Roman Catholicism in many respects. EO attaches iconographic traditions to grace and salvation itself, similar to the RCC position on the eucharist. Just on the surface EO is heterodox since there is absolutely no scriptural basis for this behavior. Instead of scripture, EO is sola ecclesia, where to answer basic theological & by extension soteriological questions it leans more on councils that, like the RCC, became more heterodox as time went on. Similar to what we see on other large denominations today but at a much fater rate and on a much smaller scale.
Salvation is by grace through faith lest anyone boast. The question that needs to be asked is strip everything away... what was the original intent.
@icxcnika7722 This "destroyed" mentality is just nasty and isn't needed, what is needed is a honest pursuit of truth. A debate isn't needed, I think a conversation between someone like Jay Dyer and Jeff Durbin is needed, heck it would be nice to see Johnathan Pageau to talk to Jeff Durbin as well, but this destroying mentality that isn't what I want this does nothing.
@@HusGoose"works based dogmatic idolatry" fundamentally demonstrates your total unfamiliarity with eo doctrine, I'm sorry but filtering eo through the same protestant lense as you do rc, is enough to showcase that your claim of "its easy to refute" is based off of ignorance.
@@suppression2142I agree, which I was I said smashed not destroyed. Have a nice day.
Imagine thanking Jesus is all powerful all knowing and then thinking you need to go to Mary to put in a good word for you as if God doesn already know your goodness ?? Imagine not realizing that youre trying to trick God into liking you more by going to someone better than you and saying tonl them " hey tell God im alright by you so he considers me one of his flock (because if i went straight to God he might see how filthy i am) "
James White’s debates are worth watching - for Catholics and Protestants alike. I’ve learned a lot about Catholicism from the men he has debated.
Waste of time. Calvinists are so rivalrous. They love to bully and are borderline narcissistic. Always wanting to debate and flex. They're like the kid in high school that has tall stories of fighting and how much they can bench but all that flex is just empty hype. They overcompensate.
Can't wait for James White vs Leighton Flowers. White has been ducking him. He finally agreed to another debate
guessing you dont read the scriptures...or attend a bible believing church ....or not a christian.............................@@hopeforeveryone9808
Jeff Durbin (aka the Burger King mascot) is always taking shots at Catholic doctrines but is afraid of debating Catholic apologists like Trent Horn, Scott Hahn, Tim Staples or Jimmy Akin. If he aint afraid it would have happened already
He's also afraid of taking on EO apologists like Jay Dyer, Perry Robinson and Seraphim Hamilton, heck even Fr. Ivanoff, and Fr. Whiteford would wipe the floor with him.
^ That's rich, when Jeff gains the mental capability to be able to actually distinguish between the categories of dulia, latria, alive and dead then MAYBE just maybe will he have a chance till then, he is literally regurgitating the same Protestant talking points that have been refuted for centuries, the only people he deceives are those who are unaware of his deception and those who already take his word at face value. However, he made very amateurish mistakes in this video regarding Catholic theology, and I'm not even a Catholic myself, however as an outside observer even I can recognize when someone is misrepresenting the other side, he says he wants to be fair and charitable to Catholics and their views however he rarely does that when he redefines and excludes information that would otherwise be damaging to his own position, and when called out on these selective tactics he never responds.
Brother Jeff , thoughts on Jeremiah 44: 17-18 , the Queen of heaven was referred to many times in the old testament, as a Pagan worship, could this be where the idea came from ? Formed out of Egyptian idol worship?
More recently, I believe Artemis had that title as well.
*Christmas Celebrated in Heaven and Earth and the Christmas Tree!*
For the last 150 years Sabbatarians have been loudly proclaiming, Christ's birthday is never celebrated in Scripture.
You are now going to find that not only is Christ Birthday celebrated! It is celebrated both in Heaven and on earth.
Luke records that God sent his angel to proclaim this message: Luke 2:9And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. 10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you *good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people* , . 11For unto you is born *THIS DAY* in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."
The Very Day of Christ birth is declared to be a day of "good tidings and great joy" in Scripture. And it is God Almighty that sends the Angel to declare it! Notice the words that the the angel of the Lord was sent to them to proclaim, "Good tidings of *GREAT JOY, WHICH SHALL BE TO ALL PEOPLE* " Unto you is born *THIS DAY* , in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord".
What annoys the heck out of Sabbatarians is that Christ's birthday causes every people on every continent of the world to sing "Glory to God in the Highest" and "Christ our Saviour is born" . But thus, the scripture is fulfilled as promised, "GREAT JOY SHALL BE TO ALL PEOPLE.
They wonder why God couldn't just leave Christ for some exclusive Jewish Christian group, why did He have to make Christ to be "Great Joy to ALL PEOPLE" all the nations!
The GREAT JOY is for ALL people, on the day of Christ's birth. That is what Christians celebrate the Great Joy along with all people, which is the birth of Christ the Lord. But not only was it to be "Good tidings of Great Joy *”FOR A ALL PEOPLE”*
But the Heavenly Host of Angels also rejoiced "that day" as it is written, "13And* suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God* , and saying, 14Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Instead rejoicing with the Angels and *"all people"* , on *"THIS DAY"* some have decided to rather make up excuses why Christ birth shouldn't be celebrated, though scripture says quite the contrary.
To respond to those who will say that Dec.25th is a pagan day, I answer that Christ is the creator of "all things" all the days of the week are created by him and He sustains all things. Christ owns 7 days a week 365 days a year. Col.1 says in verse 16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, "
The Sabbatarians say God would never let Christ be born on a day Pagans celebrated. It is not the Pagans which own the days, it is Christ who owns *"all the days"* The Pagans only misused the days. Christ returned the days which were abused back to the RIGHTFUL OWNER, GOD HIMSELF.
God has done this with many things both past in present. He takes pagans and TRANSFORMS them to Christians.
*As to regards to the Christmas tree,* it is a symbol of the *Tree of Life* not anything pagan. Moreover, The Cross of Christians is a symbol of Eternal life. In the book of Revelation, Chapter 22 we read:
1And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, *was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.* *The ornaments on the tree represent the 12 manner of fruits and the healing of the nations* .
The Armstrong groups need to get over their incessant Jewish Pharisaical obsession with finding evil, where no evil exists in Christianity and Jewish fable. Well wrote the Apostle Paul concerning these matters in Titus 1:14Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and *commandments of men, that turn from the truth.* 15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; *but even their mind and conscience is defiled.* Only a defiled Pharisee's conscience would reject the worship of Christ on ANY DAY, in favor of being *"holier than thou"* in some exclusive Jewish group.
NO, CHRISTMAS DOES NOT HAVE PAGAN ORIGINS
apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2015/12/the-date-of-saturnalia-doesnt-line-up.html
NO, IT'S NOT THE SATURNALIA
apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2015/12/the-date-of-saturnalia-doesnt-line-up.html
NO, IT HAS NOTING TO DO WITH THE SOLSTICE
apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2015/12/christmas-solstice-and-december-25th.html
Luke 1 :46 And Mary said: "My soul magnifies the LordLuke 1 :47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
What's her praise got to do with the claim she is a diety .. Man has replaced the Holy spirit with Mary, And these wicked men claim your Salvation depends on the Church 😂😂😂 No it depends on your belief in Christ and your repentance.
Mark 3:32-35 (KJV) And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
@@rongopaihiku369 Mary's admitting she's a sinner and needs a savior the scripture I put up is Mary repenting
@rossbel5735 sorry this comment was for another forgive my folley
@rossbel5735 much apologies Yes she is stating her repentance Amen.
I was a Catholic for the first fourteen years of my life. I later discovered the issues with Catholicism. When I pray to God or Jesus I dial direct. Mary is not the answering service for God. She will not hear your prayers, neither will the saints. As you stated regarding the rich man and Lazarus there is no communication. Neither is Mary the Queen of heaven as the Catholics like to call her. The Catholic church in Rome is getting further and further away from the gospel to the point of heresy. Many Catholics in the United States cannot believe some of the statements coming from the Pope. Hello new world religion.
Dial direct!!?!? 😊 Just ask for the "hotline to heaven" and skip the finger taps too! 💜✝️💜
Glad you learned the truth about being able to have a personal relationship with the Lord!
Where in the bible does it say that Mary is not able to hear prayers? Did you just make that up out of your own imagination?
@@wordforever117well the only one to answer your prayers is Christ Jesus alone, so there's your answer no one else is able to answer your prayers or give your prayers to God other than Jesus Christ alone as the Bible has clearly stated. Nowhere in the Bible either does it state that Mary is sinless the Roman Catholic church has made this up, whenever I have debates with Roman Catholics I just had one recently, whenever I have debates with Roman Catholics. I always ask them to read Romans 3:23 they don't read it they run away from it kind of like when they run away from 1st John 8:10 they run away from that too. So in the Bible Jesus is the only one to answer your prayers. He's the only mediator between God and man period. And the fact that the Roman Catholic Church they say all we don't worship Mary okay but do you venerate her? Yeah but we don't worship her, even though the word venerate when you look up the word venerate the word warship is in the word venerate. The Bible says that were only supposed to venerate God in him alone, by revealing him by adoring him by worshipping him by serving him by praising him by respecting him, we do not do this to marry at all not at all. Mary was only the mother of Jesus that was it she was nothing more, furthermore know where in the Bible does it say anywhere that she was a perpetual virgin ever, the other thing is is that the Bible says that Joseph waited to have marital relations with Mary until after Jesus was born, so until after Jesus was born they had marital relations afterward not before. So like I said Jesus Christ is the only one to answer your prayers, if you don't agree with that then you have clearly rejected the Bible. Jesus never told his apostles to bow down before his mother and send prayers to his mother he never said that, Jesus said pray him my name and I will answer all your prayers, why because Jesus is God incarnate he's the only one to intercede our prayers and we're the only ones to pray to him because he's the only one capable to answer our prayers.
@@jeremiahrowesr.3130Right but my question was "where in the bible does it say that Mary cannot hear your prayers?"
All you have given me is your man made doctrines in response
Jeff needs to just have a dialogue with Trent Horn already, at this point, it comes off cowardly to not have a true Catholic apologetic on. #CallaSpadeaSpade
@NickJaramillo-gi7gs you know Trent Horn already debated James White before right? And dare I say spanked him! You need to look. Into Trebt Horn, as calm and kind as he is, the dude is beyond a great debater
@bebocoronado Don't mind Nick, he's a yesman sycophant.
Jeff, can you please show me citations where St. Augustine is promoting Sola Fide? Because in his book, On Faith And Works, he is clearly correcting anybody who believes that St. Paul was preaching faith alone.
Agustine doesn't promote Sola Fide or Sola Scriptura.
Does anyone know the company that was advertising with Apologia. They were some type of body patches?
* reads title *
UH, OH! Prepare for the screeching! I have never seen such anger as when you call out Catholics for their Mary worship. Even atheists aren't so bad! I have had more productive dialogue with straight up atheists on spiritual issues than I have with hardcore Catholics on this particular issue. I had two online people cut me off and never speak to me again just for trying to discuss it. And these were friends, so I was trying to be careful how I said things. I never expected the reaction I got. I was caught completely off guard. I thought we were just having a friendly discussion. They got angry and refused to further engage. They instantly cut me off. It was astonishing. This was years ago and it's still hard to believe it even happened.
Maybe the anger stems from the fact that your lying and saying they worship someone they don't. It's pretty difficult to have a conversation with someone who insists on telling you what you believe and worship, instead of listening to you.
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"Maybe the anger stems from the fact that your lying"
First of all, it's "you're." Second, I stopped reading at that point. YOU are the one who is lying and falsely accusing me. Understand that you will stand before Jesus Christ to give account for it. Mary won't help you then. Know that.@@aprilmontoya986
@@aprilmontoya986exactly
@@aprilmontoya986"mother mary full of grace" what does this mean? Did mary forgive us?
@@Yesica1993Critiquing someone's grammar does not disprove your opponents position
Please can you address the how to be Christian channel and his teachings on works. He has a whole series where calls out Jeff for being a false teacher.
They absolutely "hate" Reformed Theology nor do they understand it. Reformed Theology is simply a Biblical outline. We believe that Salvation is by Faith alone... Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:5-8 however Scripture says that we are "afterwards" sanctified by the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 2:10... That's what they call "works?" The Sanctification of the Holy Spirit upon our lives after we are Saved is works to them. Seriously it's absolutely ridiculous. They have a surface level of Scripture. Like the NIFB... free Grace ..a mere confession with no New Birth, no sanctification...just confess and stay as you were. That's not Scripture. 📖 God Bless 🌷
@@michellecheriekjv4115define faith, and how do you know you live up to Gods standard of faith?
Sounds like that other channel is the problem. Not very Christian like.... Jeff is a brilliant man and God fearing believer. Us as Christians will not agree on every little thing the Bible teaches, like baptism, God's sovereignty, Jesus dying for believers only or the whole world etc. The main issue is do you accept Jesus as lord and savior or not? If you do, who cares how it was done, it's done! Praise God!
@@michellecheriekjv4115Reformed theology is unbiblical. You need to add a lot of man made doctrine to the bible to make it work. It is an obvious fake and that is why it took 1500 years to come up with it.
Pastor, what is your denomination? I ask because I agree 100% with your message.
Could you discuss what the early church taught about family planning? Were they okay with any type of birth control that would prevent conception? I've heard this discussed from a Catholic perspective, but not a Protestant one. Just curious where your ministry stands on this issue and if you can provide any material that defends contraception since you are pro-life.
Thank you for the boldness Apologia!!! Praise God. Catholics bear Imago Dei. Catholic doctrine bears falsehood.
Who put together the canon scriptures that you use today?
Lol!! The guy that asked you who put together the Canon you use today is right. The Catholics did. And their just a left over remnant of the Holy Roman empire. And they were Pagans. And I hate to tell you this, but ALL Christendom religions today are nothing more than a branch off of the Catholic churches. Don't get me, I am NOT a Catholic but your religion is nothing more than the Catholic teachings with slight variations from theirs. Baptists say yeah we believe in the trinity too but we don't pray or worship saints so we're gonna do things our way and the Methodist and Protestants and Lutherans and Evangelist all of them are followers of The Catholic churches. And again they're a leftover remnant of the Holy Roman empire and the majority of them were pagans. Constantine was for sure and he did give a damn about Jesus or Christianity. He just wanted to end the whole discussion because he was bored with it and again he didn't care. So your basically following a pagan belief. Because the trinity wasn't even heard of until 3 centuries after Jesus's death.
Your welcome!!!
@@ScottRock-mr6qk I am speaking strictly historically, not from any theistic view, when I say you have stopped your “research” of these historical events after hearing only one view, before uncovering that non-religious historians conclude the nonsense you are spouting are genuinely mythical and untrue.
Namely the “pagan” claim and the “3rd century” claim, both of which are completely untrue. All I’m saying is, one should be aware of the term “anchoring bias” when viewing historical data.
@@JoshM1212 No sir. What I said is accurate. Constantine was a Pagan and didn't care about Jesus or Christianity, thats a fact. And the Catholics are a left over remnant of them. That's factual too. And all religions are a branch off of them too, that's a fact. So, tell me that I'm spouting off at the mouth when it's you that need to check your facts. Unfreakinbelieveable!!
Hey Jeff, as one of your Catholic listeners. I appreciate your evangelization to our Lds friends.
But when it comes to these videos addressing Catholic belief, I would love to see you debate a Catholic on these issues.
Glory be to Jesus Christ 🙏☦️♥️
This is never going to happen haha!
Watch James White, he has debated quite a few RC topics with well known Ctholics.
@@wordforever117 Its because Roman Catholics do not agree to it anymore. James White has discussed this several times. There's nothing go gain from a roman catholic to debate. Not only do they lose the imminent argument in light of scriptural inconsistency, they also lose ecclesiological credibility because as their appeal to original authority is refuted, the house of cards topples.
@@HusGooseOk give me your single most strong objection to the the teaching of the Catholic Church and I will explain exactly why it is taught that way.
@@wordforever117 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the witness for this proper time. (1 Tim 2:5-6 )
Jeff, can you please show me citations where St. Augustine promotes Sola Scriptura? I see citations where he believes that the canon of scripture is inspired by God, is infallible, and is an authority over other writings, but I don't see anything where he says that scripture is the ONLY infallible authority for Christianity.
Do you suggest another infallible source for Christianity?
@@jayburris6252 Yes, the one that Jesus Christ gave us: The Church. Scripture verifies that, and reason dictates that.
Thank you finally some who isn’t ignorant of the truth on what Gods Holy Word says. The truth will set you free. Jesus is the Only Way , the Truth, and Life
Mary in scripture:
1.
Scripture does **not** teach the idea that we need to send anyone for us to the throne of God to ask for grace or mercy, anyone including Mary. On the contrary, we are warmly invited to approach God's throne.
Hebrews 4:14-16 ESV -
*Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.*
2.
That little word "until" shows that Mary was not perpetually a virgin. And, yes, it is in the original Greek. Grammar is not complex.
Matthew 1:24-25 ESV -
*When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.*
3.
Jesus exalted the word of God and obedience to it above his family members.
Matthew 12:46-50 ESV -
*While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.*
This is a companion passage to Matthew 12.
Luke 11:27-28 ESV -
*As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”*
4.
She herself glorified her savior. She was not a sinless person.
Luke 1:47 ESV -
*and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,*
Agree, Jesus is our mediator being fully God and fully man he can intercede for us as out eternal high priest.
Does scripture teach what's part of scripture?
@@petros-estin-petra-
Yes, it says the word of God is the word of God, therefore, the word of God is the word of God.
Is that to simple?
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559 Circular Reasoning?
@@petros-estin-petra-yes but from... the word of god lol... the begining and the end... the alpha and omega. Is this circular reasoning?
The word "saint" was used 48 times by the apostles to describe the ordinary Christians around them.
(Not counting The book of Revelation because presumably a lot of those saints were in heaven and therefore couldn't be described as ordinary/living.)
Moving on to the Gospel of Jesus Christ:
How many lies have you told in your life?
Have you ever taken anything that didn't belong to you?
Have you ever used God's holy name to curse, would you do that with your mother's name?
Jusus said:
Matthew 5:28
*_"but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."_*
Have you ever done that?
Only Jesus Christ lived a life worthy of Heaven. Substituting our sinful life for his is the only way to enter Heaven.
1.
We attempt to present our own righteousness to God the father on Judgment Day?
*(We don't have any righteousness. Answer the questions in the above, how many lies have you told in your life?)*
2.
Jesus has kindly offered to give us his righteousness as a free gift making us perfect and impeccable in the sight of his father. Ensuring a smooth transition on Judgement Day.
(Choose this option.)
Romans 1:18-21 LSB -
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, both His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.
I haven't watched yet but does this have cool(not) background music like the last one.
Augustine says things that make various Protestant denominations uncomfortable. And yet Catholics can read Augustine and never feel uncomfortable. Hmm.
Does Jeff dye his hair?
Jeff, please do a live debate against Ferris the Catholic on "How to Be Christian." Hes putting out entire series tearing down your teachings. Hes quite clever.
I wouldn't count on a response from Jeff. Even Jeff's "hero of the faith", James White, knows better than to show his audience what we have to say. Durbin and White likely know that any attempt they make at responding to us will not go well for them.
Now, I know from your comments on our video, that you are not a Catholic Christian. It would be interesting to hear from you about whether there was anything we said in our video that you think is false. So far, the only comment we saw from you was completely unrelated to the video. Does this mean that there was nothing in the video that you disagreed with?
Also, you call us "clever"? What do you find "clever" about a person reading the Bible, and comparing that to what Jeff is claiming is in the Bible? Just curious; not saying you're wrong to label it as "clever".
Over on our video, feel free to cite any statements made by us that you think are false (include the timestamp, so we can view it), and then, explain why you think it is false. If you can do this, then we can have a conversation, and that would be productive for both sides. Thank you and God bless!
@@HowToBeChristian
Are you REALLY skulking around in the comments to see if someone is talking about you?
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How embarrassing.
They probably won't debate you because they have wives, families & ministries.
They don't have time for your silliness.
@@DamePiglet Oh yes… so embarrassing that we were interested in having conversations. The shame!
@@HowToBeChristian I WOULD LOVE to talk to you but, I'm not willing to put my number out there and I'm betting you aren't either. I'm not a content creator, just a Christian guy. Are you stalking me BTW???
@@HowToBeChristian”Catholic Christian” is an oxymoron. It’s like calling Barack Obama a “constitutional scholar” when all his focus was on how to get around it.
Jeff, are you going to respond to the series of videos(3) that How to be Christian has done about your interpretation of Romans 3&4 and James? He claims that you are adding to the Bible. He has a decent following and makes reasonable points.
He hides behind White.
If it weren’t for them “venerating” Mary, the saints, and idols, I would be Catholic.
It’s my main objection to Catholicism. It is pure idolatry and there is just no way those prayers get to those saints - because that is not how God set things up according to 5,000 years of revelation. So who - or what - IS receiving those prayers?
I wish Durbin would debate Catholic apologists instead of producing these unecesary, edited monologues just to be feeling pampered afterwards by reading the feedback of his already agreeing Protestant supporters. How about a live debate with Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin or tim staples? That would be a sight to behold ;-)
How about just reading God's Word? That's what counts because that is the authority. Not this or that person.
@@Yesica1993How do you know what is and what isn't god's word?
@@petros-estin-petra-the apostles an early Christians knew what was and what wasn't God's word already in the first century.
They merely codified it in the third century and the Catholic Church of today is not even remotely close to the Catholic Church of the third century.
And by your own logic I could ask you how do you even know what was the Old testament? I mean who gave you the Old testament?
It came from the Jews didn't it?
Why yes, yes it did.
Does that mean that Judaism is correct and Christianity is wrong?
Does that mean that only the Jews know how to properly interpret the Old testament?
No, of course not. But that is the same logic you are trying to use with the New testament.
The Catholic Church did not give us the New testament. Just like the Pharisees did not give us the Old, God gave us both.
He has and does. Who said these video shorts are his only means of debate? He and Dr. James White are always debating.
Not really I would debate Trent horn and all of those other people you mentioned myself.
It's not really that hard you just have to read the Bible and study it diligently.
As someone once said the Bible is like a lion, it can defend itself.
And just from watching Trent horn I already know beyond any shadow of a doubt that I understand the Bible far better than he does and I'm a nobody.
That's the beauty of a being a Born again protestant. Those of us who are truly born again ACTUALLY read and study the Bible in ALL of its context, unlike Catholics.
And James White has already debated Trent horn so what's the point.
Thank you for explaining this . As a ex catholic i was always questioning why is my church pray so much to Mary
Praying is not worship. Worship is offering a sacrifice. We must sacrifice our desires of the flesh
Learn the truth of the ancient holy faith not a Protest version in the modern 21st cent, research is priceless
@J-PLeigh8409 I learned one thing! To follow the Bible! There is so many things in Catholic church outside the Bible like for example praying to Mary. We should only pary to our God! Bible is very clear about that. Anything outside the Bible is just fake .I did my research like you recommended. The Bible is my source of information and it should be yours too . I was blind because of catholic fake teachings .
@@EJ-gx9hljust read the Bible.
@@Peaceful312 I have and I do. I read it on my own. I read the daily gospels and other readings that are part of the mass on a daily basis (catholic mass isn’t only on sundays fyi), and I also read it with my Bible study group at a Protestant non-denominational church (aka undercover baptist) when we meet every other week.
What helped me with the Mary issue, Is Saint James was told by Mary to build a church and a miracle would happen in the future. When it was threatened to be destroyed an apparition of her appeared 2 April 1968 for 3yrs.
And in revelations it tells how people in heaven know what's going on on earth. That helps with the knowing part.
Satan, the great deceiver can disguise himself as an Angel of light; Do you not think that he can disguise himself as Mary or anybody else to keep idolaters in the lie? I believe that God allows such things that mankind may either believe him and turn to him alone or continue in the folly of idolatry. Idolaters will NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. The Bible tells us to Seek God, whilst He may be found, not Mary. SEEK God.
Revelation doesn’t say people in heaven can listen to millions of simultaneous prayers, comprehend them, and relay the best ones to God.
Praying to saints is based on the premise that their empathy is superior to that of Christ who died for us and the Father who is not a deadbeat dad. There’s a word for denigrating God.
Scripture commands believers to “come boldly to the throne of grace” (God, not Mary). To bypass God is disobedience.
But that is a secondary issue. God’s grace is a gift. Trying to earn grace through ceremonies, membership, refraining from sins, doing good, or roasting in purgatory insults the Giver. When you insult the Giver, you reject both the Giver and the gift.
@@ricksonora6656 In no way am I promoting praying to Mary or the Saints but I do see the logic in which why they do it. Anything beyond that I'm still iffy about.
Here's the revelation logic I've heard.
Revelations 5:11-13 How does John hear every creature in heaven and earth in every tongue while in heaven?
God would have to allow him that knowledge
Revelations 6:9-11 The slain souls were given info about then and future events to happen on earth.
So it's possible God can allow people in heaven to know what's happening on earth without being omniscient
Amen Paster Jeff
You should respond to How to be Christian’s claims that you’re a false teacher
True. That man is totally wasting his life. Oh...and I trust you understand that the title of his broadcast should be, "How to ba a Catholic". If he thinks he's kidding anyone with half a brain as to his real intent, then he must be even dumber than he looks!
Which Christians
@@whoneedslovewhenyouhaves..859Bible believing Christians
Who is this guy How to be Christian and why should we listen to him? A long time ago I checked and he said he didnt want to give his credentials. Seems to be just another noisy youtuber tbh
@@markxivlxii1390He reads the bible
Rome and Orthodox remind me of like modern day Pharasies and Sadducees. History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.
I wonder if the channel “how to be Christian” will rebut this series like they’re doing with some of the other series from apologia
I do not use near death experiences as an apologetic, but I have read a great deal on them and they are fascinating. A large percentage of them include a being that the individual either thought was Jesus or knew was Jesus and this person was in charge in ways we cannot understand in this life. People see Christ irrespective of their nationality, religion, upbringing or preconceptions. I only give real credence to those in proper medical studies and now we have thousands of them. I have never, once come across a single person who has seen the Virgin Mary in an NDE. Food for thought.
RC's do worship Mary. Plenty of documentation for that.
Please cite your "documentation." What is this Catholic source that states that Catholics worship Mary?
@@aprilmontoya986 “Prayer of St. Alphonsus Ligouri to the Blessed Virgin Mary
Most holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, to thee who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the universe, the advocate, the hope, the refuge of sinners, I who am the most miserable of all sinners, have recourse this day. I worship thee, great Queen, and I thank thee for the many graces thou hast bestowed upon me even unto this day; in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins. I love thee, most dear Lady, and for the love I bear thee, I promise to serve thee willingly forever and to do what I can to make thee loved by others also. I place in thee all my hopes for salvation; accept me as thy servant and shelter me under thy mantle, thou who art the Mother of mercy. And since thou art so powerful with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least get me the strength to overcome them until death. From thee I implore a true love for Jesus Christ. Through thee I hope to die a holy death. My dear Mother, by the love thou bearest to Almighty God. I pray thee to assist me always, but most of all at the last moment of my life. Forsake me not then, until thou shalt see me safe in Heaven, there to bless thee and sing of thy mercies through all eternity. Such is my hope. Amen.”
@@aprilmontoya986"perform 5 hail marys my son and you will be forgiven" what is meant by this? Can you explain why a "hail mary" would be appropriate in the first place?
@@aprilmontoya986You pray to Mary and think she answers and hears your prayers, you make statues of Mary (an idol) light candles for it, place flowers on it, bow down to it and kiss it, sing songs to marry, and you think that Mary can help you to get Jesus to forgive you. Despite the fact that the Bible says there is only one mediator between man and God the man Christ Jesus, yet you think she is a mediator between the mediator, And you think she's the queen of heaven.
If thats not worship I don't know what is.
P.s.
When a woman in the crowd cried out to Jesus and said...
"blessed is the womb that bore you, and blessed are the breasts that nursed you"
Jesus corrected her when he replied "Rather, blessed is he who hears the word of God and believes it"
Not only do you believe Mary was a perpetual virgin (the Bible teaches otherwise) but the Catholic Church declared people anathematized (cursed from God) for simply not believing she was a perpetual virgin.
Despite the fact that Jesus himself says we are saved and blessed children of God.
You believe that Mary was born without sin (contrary to scripture) even though scripture says "for ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, there is NONE righteous NO NOT ONE."
Their seminary mainstay text, 'The Glories of Mary' shows that unequivocally.
I have debated Catholics online about their Mary worship and they say that they are respecting Mary not worshipping her.
They still try to speak to the dead, and Mary is dead, since they are attempting sorcery they are performing heresy by even acting like they are speaking to the dead, for the dead cannot hear them, also the Bodily Assumption is heretical. And the dead can neither accomplish anything.
Tell them that someone like Paul deserves worship, but even he rejected it and said to worship Jesus only. People were so confused back then as they still are now
Yes, you are correct. Jeff Durbin knows this fact very well. But still he spreads this lie.
Then they proceed to pray to her for intercession... Instead of mentioning "Worship," which as you have seen they try to redefine, try pointing out they are consulting with the dead which is an abomination to the Lord. You have to speak very clearly about what worship entails then tell them there is only one mediator between God and man Christ Jesus.
@@HusGooseit is your tradition of men that says Mary is dead. This is completely unbiblical.
Saul consulting Samuel might be one where one is "praying" to a dead man... and is pretty harshly condemned through the clairvoyant he consulted for this.
The background music is just 💔
They love to play the "venerate" vs. 'worship" word game. In practice, it's the same thing.
From Merriam-Webster:
worship
1 of 2
verb
wor·ship ˈwər-shəp also ˈwȯr-
worshipped also worshiped; worshipping also worshiping
Synonyms of worship
transitive verb
1
: to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power
2
: to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion
a celebrity worshipped by her fans
venerate
verb
ven·er·ate ˈve-nə-ˌrāt
venerated; venerating
Synonyms of venerate
transitive verb
1
: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2
: to honor (an icon, a relic, etc.) with a ritual act of devotion
Telling people what they believe instead of asking them is how you bear false witness.
Actually if you were to visit a mainstream Christian Church and speak to people who are faithful to the teaching of the Apostles, you would find in practise that Catholics do *NOT* worship Mary. The fact that they tell you "I do not worship Mary" is in itself proof that they do not worship Mary - as saying this would be blasphemous.
You're going to a secular dictionary to have you define a theological term?
Ironic, because even Webster doesn't define veneration as worship in the ancient Christian understanding.
The next time you find a secular definition of veneration that includes the aspect of SACRIFICE, then you can claim Catholics worship Mary, till then Catholics are justified in asserting that protestants don't understand true worship.
If the veneration of Mary looks like "worship" to prots, (prayers, songs, hymns)
then it's because you only venerate God.
@@icxcnika7722Even if the word does mean worship...it still doesn't mean the Catholic Church worships Mary. This is more of a reality vs fantasy debate. The people accused of worshipping Mary are testifying to the fact that they don't. That really should be the end of the discussion!
@@wordforever117Way too much emphasis is being put on this woman that birthed Jesus. Jesus did all the work on the cross He's the one that went through excruciating pain to reconcile us to God and y'all want to talk about a Mary Please stop.
Yes it is(orthodox Christian) to say the church was wrong until Martin Luther or Calvin is evil and blasphemy.
Why, brother?
@@joeltchouala783 because that would mean the holy spirt failed to guide the church in truth
Exactly. Amen brother
No protestants believe that. Have you even read what Luther and Calvin wrote? Or any other reformer?
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Brother, are you saying the erring of the Church implies the failure of God the Holy Spirit? Does that mean God fails every time the Church errs? So has God failed given that the protestant Church (in your view) has erred?
What about some practices that the RC amended because of Luther like selling indulgence? What the RC church wrong to amended those heretic practices? Wasn't that the Holy Spirit working to purify His Church?
Or do you think the RC church should resume the selling of indulgences given that is must have been God the Holy Spirit who "led" them into that "truth"?
Do you not think Luther was Gods instrument to help stop that heresy? If yes, do you not think Luther could have been God's way of leading the Church into the truth?
These are not trick question by the way. It's all in love.
I recommend watching some Gavin Ortland as well. He takes a peaceful approach but is well versed in early church and Marian adoration is a later accretion.
I’m not going to debate comments, go find it yourself
The Roman Catholic practice of praying to Mary or to the Saint of This or That is derived from Roman paganism, where it was common practice to pray to many gods and idols for various purposes.
If protestants claim Scripture only, why did they remove books from the Bible. Just wanted to ask.
They didn't. The books that the RCC includes were never holy scriptures to begin with. The Jews never said they were holy scripture, or treated them as holy books, but merely Jewish histories but not inspired by God Himself like the actual canonical Scriptures. So, they weren't scripture to begin with - protestants didn't do anything except observe hat fact.
Have you actually read those ''deuterocanonical books'? Because they do not provide Rome's apologists with any real backing to their arguments. Some of those beliefs come from gnostic sources as well. Rome has to incorporate unbiblical sources in order to attempt to justify her unbiblical teachings.
Why do Catholics add books that were never considered scripture?
When was that done?
They say scripture only, but they don’t know who’s authority to follow in the interpretation of the scripture, which is the entire point of the Church, which they ridicule. They have a burning in their bosom that they interpret it superior to the Church of Peter, given to him by Jesus.
@@real.revJosvawho determined what was canon and what wasn’t?
How can I get through to my Catholic friends? I always tell them that we are not allowed to pray to Mary, that Jesus was sacrificed once, that baptism is a decision the believer must make and babies can't make that choice yet. I point to the verse where God told us not to call anyone on earth Father. Something I never neglect to mension, is the fact that only Jesus has the authority to forgive sins, not priests. Unfortunately, they never even consider these points because they believe that only priests can interpret the Bible. Like every other cult, Catholism doesn't allow the catholic to question the pope. Their view that ordinary believers can't interpret the Bible, is the root of the problem. How do we get around that?
Often they refuse to address Scripture for the reasons you've mentioned unfortunately. But the pillars on which the Roman religion claims authority as 'the true church' are built of wet paper, so to speak - based in deception. What I've done in my own catholic family is point out the glaring deceptions and blasphemies like the Pope use if titles that belong to only God, but also that the pope has a giant three0tiered bejeweled crown - not to mention all the obscene ill gotten wealth that fills the Vatican. The evil history of the Papacy is enough to destroy the Roman Catholic assertion that the Pope and other Clerisy are the spiritual descendants of the Apostles and the pope is 'infallible'. I ask them what would Christ say if He was standing within the Vatican about what He saw there?
Show them that they changed the Ten Commandments. They took the 2nd commandment out and spilt the 10th commandment into two in order to keep it numerically 10. The 2nd commandment deals with idolatry which condemns pretty much all their worship practices. Even the eucharist they take every mass. Pretty much everything the Catholic church does is idolatry.
I honestly don't think you can, outside of a real miracle from God! They WILL NOT listen. Will not! I've never seen anything like it. People of other religions sometimes at least listen, even if they disagree. Even atheists sometimes will engage with you. Catholics, especially regarding Mary? Forget it.
@@Yesica1993 Unfortunately, I think you may be right. Only the Holy Spirit can give them ears to hear. I don't want any of them to be lost.
@@Yesica1993 They've been told since birth that Jesus started the Catholic church, and misread His conversation with Peter in order to provide the basis for that deceit. They also are taught that they have no right to read the Bible on their own and that priests and Bishops, etc., are nearly magical persons, like Jesus. But the biggest pull on their mind is the mass. They think that the wafer is literally Jesus Christ - and because only the Roman religion does the mass like that, it must be the correct and true church. If you can convince people that seeking their own answers is 'bad', then you can make up any lie you want to trick them. Governments and the Press do the same thing, and get away with it because people won't simply look into things themselves.
Amen!
theres a great schism among apologia as to how Augustine's name is to be pronounced.
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You can be carried away by your emotions or because you grew up being Roman Catholic. However, the truth is you've removed Jesus/Holy Spirit as the only mediator and replaced that position with Mary! Mary is now a God. Mary is more honoured and venerated(worship in disguise) than Jesus!
This is 100% incorrect.
@@armandocerda4655 I don't care about your emotions!!
“Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy,
hail, our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
To you we cry, the children of Eve;
to you we send up our sighs,
mourning and weeping in this land of exile.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
your eyes of mercy toward us;
lead us home at last”
So she's an advocate!! Like the Holy Spirit
For the question, 'Is Protestantism heresy?' , why would part 1 be about the perpetual virginity of Mary? All of the major players in the Protestant Reformation believed in Mary's Pertpetual virginity (I make this claim from memory - maybe some didn't, but most did).
Who said anything about the perpetual virginity of Mary as being part 1??
@ProtestantKing7 The title says 'the virgin Mary', not Just, 'Mary, Jesus' Mother.' Protestants today don't believe Mary is a virgin (in general).
Reading the protestant reformers, I haven't read where they spoke about perpetual viginiry. So how do you know?
The Bible makes it very clear that Mary and Joseph had relations after Jesus was born so how she perpetual virgin?
What protestants claim this? Also, do you know the principal of Semper Reformanda?
Generally speaking, videos intended to explain why Denomination X is wrong are useless. If I want to know what Denomination X believes, I ask a representative of Denomination X, and respectfully listen to their answer.
Amen, this is on point. Mary was a good woman used by God but is not holy or to be worshipped or prayed to. Luke 1:28 refers to Mary by the greek Kecharitomene meaning full of grace or divine benevolence. Looking deeper at the concept and meaning of grace in the scripture talking about being saved through grace Ephesians 2:8-9 the greek chariti with the root charis meaning unmerited favor and empowerment for salvation. If mary is holy or sinless and on par with Jesus as claimed by catholicism why would she need grace or unmerited favor?
The Catholic Church is the fullness of the faith.
The Roman Empire took the original Christian doctrine and added its pagan rituals to it. They created the Catholic Church. Don't take my word for it. Just look at history.
One faith is true and all the others are lying. It's not up to us to be bias, but it's up to us to care enough to research the truth and compare all the evidence.
Christ is the fullness of faith.
Read the work of the early church fathers that learned directly from the apostles, which is quoted even today in the Catholic Church. This was before the Roman Empire and it will line up with the Catholic Church which has its roots in Peter.
Other churches have sparks of truth because Christ is the faith but the faith is expressed fully in the Catholic Church via the Eucharist. Don't get it twisted.
What is Apologia Studios' stance on the Palestine thing? Would love to see Pastor Jeff do a video about it.
Right on, I agree
I mean hopefully he’s pro-Israel, since they’re not at fault for the slaughtering of 1500 of their own people
And hopefully he is conversant enough in history to know that no sovereign state called Palestine ever existed and that the whole land of biblical Israel belongs to the Jews
I would assume that both sides need to find Jesus.
@@petros-estin-petra- yep
The prayers of the righteous are powerful james
I grew up in Catholic school , served as alter boy , took communion etc. When I knew when I left even years before Christ called my name and saved me. The Church of Rome knows neither the God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit of scripture. After being saved for 14 years and listening to them try to defend their false religious system it is so painfully obvious that is man-made religion far apart from the words of scripture.
Choosing the Real Christianity™️ is hard work.
Yes it involves giving up pre-conceived ideas, reading the bible and receiving God's grace through the sacraments the way He intended
@@wordforever117 Scripture is pretty clear on how grace works in Ephesians 1&2. Where is scripture does it mention sacraments or saints for that matter give grace?
I was just studying this last night and this morning. My wife, who is a life long protestant, believed Jesus was an only son. I believe the bible says otherwise. So we have bith been reading up on it.
No it doesn't.
@@WillCenteno1Jesus was first the only Son, and then became the firstborn because by His death and resurrection, He made the believers the many sons.
John 20: 17
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”
@@WillCenteno1 Mary had many sons with Joesph, so Jesus had biological half-brothers, in fact James is one such brother, but there are others who were said to both believe and not believe in Jesus, so not everyone even blood related to Jesus through Mary was under salvation. The Eastern Orthodox and Catholics try to reject this but there is no evidence to support their claims because their interpretation of the text is already invalid and borders on the heretical because they believe in the the Immaculate Conception, first off Jesus was born a man and all that entails, it is not special if He was not, He claims such the same by His own Word and by Prophecy, that also means Mary cannot be a virgin for the birth violates the virginity, secondly they elevate Mary as if she is a deity, anyone who teaches this practice cares not for what the text actually says, they can't read it without their traditions and so they apply heresy to the text.
@@WillCenteno1 it clearly says that Joseph did not know Mary until she had Jesus. So he knew her. And he clearly had brothers as they are named.
The bible says that you need to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ in order to have life within you. But you reject that teaching, so why not reject other stuff too?
That’s a bit scary, to think Catholics are worshiping Mary in the same way they worship God! I thought the prayers to Mary only asked for her to pray for us, having being Jesus’ mother and also the bride of the Holy Spirit. I thought people only prayed to her given her status…or something like that. I never heard she was incarnate, only human, but purely holy…so that she would be worthy to carry God in her womb…like the arc was used to carry the Word of God in the Old Testament. Bizarre. I am wondering, when St Luke sought out Mary’s testimony in his gospel, why did he care so much about his mother? And I always wonder, why did Mary instigate his ministry at the wedding at Cannan? Why would Jesus listen to her, even after he informed her that it was not his time? And then I often wonder why he always referred to her as’ma’am’ , when everyone translates it as’woman’. You know…like, ‘woman’ this and ‘woman’ that, which sounds condescending, yet originally was ‘ma’am.’ Seems God must really hate this woman who He sent Himself to honor (a commandment that He could not break, less not be Holy himself), and to be born unto if it’s so horrible for us to honor as well. I am so confused. So what do you say, did Jesus hate it when people honored what He Himself honored? I guess it makes sense. I am just confused as to why Mary was referred to as ‘Full of Grace” if God thought we should despise her so much. That’s my sticking point. So difficult, all this. But I seek to learn. Tell me more.
Perfect example of how convoluted the catholics are. By praying to Mary, you're committing blasphemy. She was a mortal like us. She IS NOT A GOD. THEY'RE WRONG. SHE DOESN'T HEAR OR ANSWER PRAYERS
If the Protestants truly believed in the Bible Alone, they'd hand out bible without comment and preaching and leave the 'BIBLE ALONE" . But, they can't and that's how they come up with so many conflicting and even bizarre doctrines, condemning themselves. Once a Protestant opens their mouth and starts to tell you what they THINK the Bible says, they are admitting they do NOT believe in the Bible alone.
The Protestants use and abuse the bible to rebel against authority, and therefore, God sends them strong delusion that they should believe a lie. Study the lesson well, which I gave from the scriptures regarding 1Cor. 10 and you will see how that Protestantism is exactly like those who rebelled in the wilderness and were rejected of God. >
I suppose you believe all who disagree with the RCC are Protestants? I'm simply a Bible Believing Christian and I hold to no denomination and I believe the RCC is an apostate church with unsound teachings.
The Word of God can stand alone without incorporating false church doctrines or distorted man made traditions. Obviously, it's The book of God and it should be taught so that people have a greater understanding of the Word. There is nothing wrong with seeking better understanding from those who are more knowledgeable of the Scriptures but you should read it for yourself. The average person can read and comprehend the Bible and they should symbolically feed on the Word of God every day because it is profitable for doctrine, correcting, reproof and instruction in righteousness.
Many of the teachings of the RCC are not found in the Scriptures but I suppose that is why RCC hold on to uninspired books that teach heresy's. If you did a simple Google search of Errors in the Apocrypha you may be surprised how ridiculously inaccurate the Apocrypha is. The true church are those who truly follow Christ and put their FULL FAITH in Him and Him ALONE.
God Bless You.
The biggest face plant in all of this is Jeff’s concept that Christians who die are technically dead/in the category of dead. Jesus says we shall have eternal life but Jeff says no we are dead. Also there are soooo many numerous examples of early Church Fathers promoting sola scriptura and sola fide yet Jeff can’t even produce one example for analysis here. The presentation of Catholic dogma is also laughable in Jeff’s videos. He never makes an effort to accurately represent Catholic teaching and only pokes holes at weak and incorrect caricatures of Catholic doctrine.
If you don’t understand the full doctrine of the incarnation then devotion to Mary must sound strange
I am in the process of leaving Protestantism for Catholicism. After reading the Bible and understanding church tradition, the spirit has led me to the Catholic Church
study and learn what the protest was/is all about first friend -- then remember, Truth invites investigation ~ catholicism runs from It.
if you're studying the Christian Bible, it's crystal clear that catholicism isn't Christianity. the Holy Spirit would never lead you to this paganism.
As a current confessional Lutheran I am too considering leaving LCMS for catholic but still asking lots of questions! My biggest issue is the 7 books removed from the Bible by the Protestants in the 1800s
@@fluke8928 just read the apocrypha, you'll see how it contradicts Scripture and was of catholic origin, not inspired.
our Creator has made a promise to preserve His Word, It had to be removed since it's not of God.
how about following a church which meets His criteria, Sir?
@@fluke8928 I’m an lcms Lutheran as well. I believe it’s a good church but I feel Christ calling me to the apostolic churches
@@tony1685 if the Roman Catholics added the apocrypha then why have orthodox Christian’s been using it since the early church?
You should debate a real Catholic.
Why?
@@Yesica1993so people can be informed.
@@Yesica1993Because he might learn the basics of Christianity that way
I am Catholic. Mary is not our God but we ought to follow Jesus who is our God to love the Blessed Virgin Mary… I love my mother but the love I have for my mother is nothing compared to the love of Jesus to Mary…
While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, 'Blessed is the womb that carried You, and the breasts at which You nursed!'
"But He said, 'ON THE CONTRARY, blessed are those who hear the word of God and follow it.'
@@timmytheimpaler which the Blessed Virgin Mary did as well… she followed the will of God to the T… She is even more special as she carried Jesus in her womb. Hence, the reason why we also have to love her as Jesus did. I repeat Mary is not God but we have to respect and love her being the mother of Jesus who is our God.
My dear, no one on Earth believes Catholics think Mary is God, so to even start off that way, proves you are not up to date on WHY we are so violently opposed to your mariology. It is because the RCC has crossed over into idolatry.
True Christians know that the Mary of Catholicism is most certainly NOT the Mary of the Bible, so kindly quit kidding yourself. The TRUE Mary would tell you not to honor her in any ROMAN CATHOLIC sense because we are told NOT to think about men above that which is written (1 Cor 4:6). But the RCC has done JUST THAT, and is precisely what happens when the Bible is thrown out as being the sole rule of faith.
So fasten your seatbelt while I show you an act of mercy and debunk your anti-christian mariology beliefs right here and now.
1). The catechism says to bring all your cares to HER (CCC 2677).
THAT IS A LIE, and contrary to us being told to "bring all your cares to HIM, for he careth for you" (1 Peter 5:7).
2). Catholics pray the repetitious and obnoxious rosary, thinking Mary has the attribute of omniscience. THAT IS A LIE. We read, "You ALONE know the hearts of men" (2 Chron 6:30-1; 1 Kings 8:39).
3). The catechism says the Eucharist was instituted in commemoration of Mary (1370). THAT IS A BOLD FACED LIE and categorically unbiblical.
4). The catechism says Mary is "intrinsic to Christian WORSHIP" (971). THAT IS A LIE. It is categorically unbiblical as well.
5) The Pope proclaims, (in #18 below), "there is nothing more sweet and nothing dearer, than to WORSHIP, venerate, invoke and PRAISE with ardent affection the Mother of God conceived without stain of original sin"
catholic.net/op/articles/1854/cat/1193/fulgens-corona.html
THAT IS A LIE, and is the polar opposite to Luke 4:8: 'Worship the Lord your God and him only you shall serve."
6). The book, "The Glories of Mary" by "Doctor of the Church", Liguori, has gone through over 800 editions, so it is without question an accurate picture of Catholic belief and practice. It may be found on-line in its entirety. Here are some quotes, ALL OF WHICH are (yep, you guessed it) categorically unbiblical, and thus, straight from the pit of hell.
"She, having offered to God, HER MERITS FOR THE SALVATION OF ALL MEN, and God, as a favor, has accepted them WITH the merits of Jesus Christ".
"She effected our salvation in common with Christ"."God pardons all sinners who place themselves under her protection"."So entirely do I trust in thee [Mary] that if my eternal salvation were in my own hands, I would wish to place it in thee".
"The merit of [Christ's] blood will not be applied to me if thou does not recommend me to God"."Oh blessed virgin, to thee it belongs to bestow the merits of this blood on whomsoever it may please thee".
All of this is COMPLETE nonsense.Hence, there is no doubt that Catholics have been sent "strong delusion, that they may believe a lie" (2 Thess 2) precisely because they REFUSE to trust in the impeccable merits of Christ ALONE.
Good day.
@@righteouspath2011 Nowhere in Scripture are we ever told to love Mary as our own mother. That's a teaching of Rome and it's not Biblically supported. I think you can have respect for someone but not love them as if you have a real relationship with them.
@@alexlunsford4059 nowhere in scripture as well forbids followers of Jesus to love His mother… we are talking about the mother of Jesus here… not just any mother… I mean, I love my mother and if one of my friends treat my mother with kindness and love and treat her as if she is their mother, I definitely wouldn’t mind that.
As a protestant who goes to a Catholic school it is strange seeing the heresy of Catholicism in my school they pray to saints call the pope head of the church. My school is also very pro socialism and do very different stuff than us Protestants. I have a friend who is Catholic, and what he says is very strange. He says blasphemous stuff like saying, "You don't have to be a Christian to go to heaven." Another thing is when I ask him about stuff, he is changing what he's saying. In school he asks me why I don't pray to the saints and I say because the bible say that there is only one mediator between God and man and he starts saying random stuff like where does it say that and I say where it does and he never believes me. I love my friend and I hope Jesus will save him and I pray for that everyday
I'm sorry, but as a Protestant you cannot claim anything is a heresy. You have no Church to take your claim to, as is written in Matthew 18:17. This is how heresy had been dealt with since the very beginning. BTW, the Bible doesn't say that there is one mediator. 1 Timothy Chapter 2 shows that there are many mediators, and in verses 5 & 6 it says that Jesus is the only one who ransomed himself for all.
@richardgreene6810 you realized that you are saying "Jesus is the only one who ransomed himself for all" means that he is the only mediator. PS I can claim things as heresy as a protestant because God has already said what is right and true so by reading the bible I know what is and isn't heresy and catholicism is.
@@TWD_Rick839 You’ll have to define the word “mediator” and how it’s used in this context to show that you are correct. Because if “mediator” means intercessor in prayer, then it would be a non sequitur to say that Jesus is the only mediator because he is the only one who ransomed himself for all. In fact, it would also render the first paragraph of 1 Timothy Chapter 2 nonsensical.
And I’m sorry but it is unbiblical for you, yourself, to claim anybody is a heretic because you read the Bible. Sure, scripture is “…profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,” and yes, by reading scripture it equips all of us Christians for “good works.” It is biblical for you and I to refer to it, to help prove doctrine (as I am doing now). But nowhere does scripture say that you can treat another as a “publican or tax collector” because you’ve read the Old and New Testament. Jesus said the only way anyone can do that is if they “tell it to the Church” (Matt. 18:17) which Paul and Timothy were authorities in during the writing of 2 Timothy 3:16. Amen?
@richardgreene6810 I'm sorry but I don't claim it heresy God does and I'm just spreading his message which is nit bad I'm not saying you're a horrible person because you're Catholic or Muslim (unless you count alquada or hamas). I'm not treating anyone like a tax collector so stop putting words in my mouth.
@@TWD_Rick839 If you’re going to use the words “heresy” and “heretic” you should know exactly what they mean before you put those words in your mouth, then. Look up the history of the concept. Learn what it was meant to be deemed a heretic, and how the issues were settled, and how heretics were dealt with. Heretics throughout history were considered to be (and are supposed to be considered) the same as the “publicans and tax collectors” of Jesus’ era.
I urge you to follow your Bible. Because the only BIBLICAL way for you or I to know on Earth what is heretical (and who is a heretic) is by taking the issues in question to the Church (Matt. 18:17) which has the binding and loosing authority given to it by Jesus (Matt. 16:18-19). You won’t find your position anywhere in the Bible.
When you talk about the Virgin Mary and other doctrines of what the Catholic Church teaches, it all sounds so good specifically since the Catholic Church was where I started. But then you learn how easy it is to deceive someone and make it sound so good and holy, but yet not even know that you’re being deceived, it’s just like the word of God and what it says that our enemy does not come to us and says I’m here to steal Rob and destroy you. He comes as an angel of light with peace and a Bible wide open. As the great Puritan scholar said 200 years ago, I am afraid that this great nation will give in to the blasphemy of what the devil does and says and walk away from the Lord. It appears that JC Ryle stating this in his book called ..Holiness… knew that this would happen over 200 years ago.
Do you honestly believe that real Christians worship Mary? Why do you think that?
@@wordforever117
In my early years of going to the Catholic Church whenever I prayed to something else that was not towards Christ, the conviction was overwhelming inside of me, telling me that something was horribly wrong. Not knowing what it was, and then moving over to the protestant church I finally knew . Whenever you pray to a different source, it’s just like saying, Christ did not finish his work on the cross. He’s not good enough for what he did to pray to, and he needs some thing else to make you feel better which diminishes your faith and keep you from growing in Christ. When I stop doing that my faith grew trust grew immediately in Christ…
@@paulromero1742 "the conviction was overwhelming inside of me" - this does not sound like Sola Scriptura to me. Sounds like traditions of men. Would you agree?
@wordforever117
Exodus 20:3-6
“You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.
1 Timothy 2:5
With those 2 verses you should know more than enough. Any type of prayer that is not through Christ and to the Father becomes mute. And praying to anything else, EVEN IN HEAVEN like angels or saints is IDOLATRY.
@@cupidosus1 "Any type of prayer that is not through Christ and to the Father becomes mute. And praying to anything else, EVEN IN HEAVEN like angels or saints is IDOLATRY." - I did not read this in the passages you quote. This is a tradition that you are adding to scripture. Why are you adding to scripture?
How to be Christian CZcams channel is doing a thorough refutation of all of these videos. Lol.
Is Protestanism heresy.
The answer is, yes.
Amazing points! Are you a biblical scholar?
Yes
@@icxcnika7722 Then you should study Matthew 16:18 in CONTEXT are realize that the "rock" Jesus is referring to is Peter's confession and not Peter himself. Or does your tradition dictate otherwise?
@@bradenalexander2477
I have, and my tradition teaches both.
Now, why should I trust or lend any credence whatsoever to your subjectivist dichotomous interpretation of the passage? What makes your understanding and subsequent exegesis of the passage justifiably valid?
@@icxcnika7722 Why are you being dishonest? Your tradition does not teach both. Faith and confession in Christ are not enough in Catholicism. Can one be saved outside of the Catholic church?
Mary was alive when much of the New Testament was being written. In her humility she requested that only the necessities be mentioned. However All of the apostles and Church fathers where catholic and new many truths about Mary not in scripture. Non of the Dogmas about Mary can be disproved in the Bible though. Why dont you go straight to Jesus and ask him to introduce you to his Mother. Isnt that what you do when you have a personal relationship with someone.
You are focusing on the wrong thing. Instead of thinking the dogmas can’t be disproven using scripture. Maybe see if you can prove them to begin with ? You won’t find anything that supports Catholic teaching on Mary in scripture. Did you watch the video ?
Pastor Durban address the 7 books removed from the Bible by Protestants in the 1800s! To my Protestant brothers and sisters. Grab a catholic bible, and read those 7 books the apocrypha!
@Christ__is__King ok fair point. But let's read catechism 969 literally. It states: Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.
It states that the church invokes this. But what about the word? Where in the Bible does it state this? No where.
My main issue with Catholicism is they are preaching a different gospel. And just like Jesus said to the pharisees in Matthew 15: in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.
Be honest please. Is this not what this particular verse in the catechism is doing? If not, i guess the emperor isn't naked in your eyes (if you didn't get the reference, I'm saying you're choosing to be ignorant).
asking honestly: what does calling someone blessed mean to you? just acknowledging it seems kind of hollow and it might sound nice just to say it, but what do you do that does justice to this acknowledgement? what other human being ever dared say "My soul doth magnify the Lord?" what other human being didn't need to be told "Be not afraid" by the Archangel Gabriel? If you look at Scripture you get the feeling Gabriel and Mary have talked before "Tell thou me." (depending on your particular tradition they have) if the Ark of the Covenant was treated a particular way because it held God's presence wouldn't it stand to reason that the vessel that carried literally God would at least be afforded the same honors the Ark was? not all of Jesus' miracles are in the Bible, do we think only the ones written down happened because of this? no, of course not.
I wonder why you would not see the churches defeat of Nestorianism as a great thing?
“Hail Mary, full of grace “ recited 100 xs but where did they steal it from to make mary their god?
And the Word God Jesus Christ was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.-John 1:14 Christian book established in 4,000 B.C.
Dont Catholics see mary as an intercessor not a mediator?
Yes!! We only believe Mary is an intercessor, ONLY JESUS is the mediator
RCC word games, same with "veneration" & "worship"
She is called a mediatrix in RC.
I'm glad you can actually admit Mary is the mother of God and was full of grace but I ask you 2 questions 1: the saints are not "dead" but have eternal life and are holy. 2: with all things in scripture considering Mary how do you explain away genesis 3:15 and the end of revelation 11 and beginning of 12?
Jeff, you need to speak with Jay Dyer immediately ☦️🔥
I don’t know if it was on purpose, but pastor Jeff looks like a priest or something 😁 with that off-white long sleeve blouse, sweater I guess 😄
Just look up the oldest extant liturgical prayer of the very early church and then get back to me
Catholics not making an idol out of church fathers: difficulty impossible
Please, please, please turn the music down
Right from the beginning the presenter is sneaking protestant presuppositions (sola scriptura) in through the back door. I find this to be a common problem, where protestants read their own theology into the church fathers, and cherry pick church father's quotes to mean what their theology means. The fact is that those church fathers were not proto-protestants. What's left is that those to subscribe to the same beliefs found in this video have to declare a "church black-out period", in order to explain away the Ancient Faith, be it Orthodox or Roman Catholic (pre-schism). By the way, I'm speaking as a deacon in a PCA church
Jeff looks like Calvin in the thumbnail
One particularly circular line of reasoning re:the negation of the monarchy of JEHOVAH. Is the argument that Jesus cannot in fact be the first creation if through him all other things were created because all other things must include time and space.
Apparently no creating can happen outside of time and space.
Obviously the one thinking up this "defense" of the eternity of the Son needs to think some more the problem of creating outside of time would apply to any creation including time and space if these were made the first creations. There would be no here or now(as these are temporal and spatial delineations) in which any emergence of a created time or space could occur.
Not to mention that a finite time and space would cancel free moral agency.
In the scriptures time and space are purely abstract values that can neither be created nor destroyed . Thus there would be no need create time or space.
Psalms ch.90:2NIV"Before the mountains were born
or you brought forth the whole world,
from everlasting(olam) to everlasting(olam) you are God."
Time is permanent like JEHOVAH whom it describes
1Kings ch.8:30NIV"Hear the supplication of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place, and when you hear, forgive."
So there is an eternal place outside of the creation where JEHOVAH the unmoved mover is permanently stationed.
We know that this dwelling is outside the creation because
Verse 27NIV"“But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, CANNOT contain you. "
JEHOVAH CANNOT and need not enter his creation to accomplish his will. It is this fact that vindicates him as a perfect creator. Indeed that is the purpose of the manifesting of JEHOVAH's logos to vindicate JEHOVAH as creator.
John ch.8:50NIV"I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge."
Sorry,Sorry but do you have chapters and verses for what you been talking?????????
Back ground music annoying......?????
You can pick and choose what the Church fathers say just like you can pick and choose Scripture passages, but was has always been clear to the Church and defined by Scripture as being pleasing the the Holy Spirit is the resounding and enduring voices of the many. This simple fundamental fact that has many examples in Scripture from the Apostles casting lots to replace Judas to the Jerusalem Council and 2000 years of implementation is what makes it unlikely any Pope, or Luther or Calvin or Joel Osteen’s chance of stumbling onto truth. But book, chapter and verse such and such says this. Every heresy ever uttered has been accompanied by Bible quotes. It’s clear translation and interpretation is a thing and to do that thing authoritatively a structure that is compatible with that process provided by the Apostles examples demonstrated n Scripture and Traditions is essential.