I forgot about this until now - speaking of Susie not entering the diner because of Catti, we do see her in the diner in one of the chapter 4 teasers from the 2022 anniversary status update. Catti isn’t visible in the screenshot but if she were working at the time she’d be covered up by the textbox anyway. Maybe those two are on better terms as of chapter 4 post-dark world. Also, some people are confused about 13:20 - I am not talking about Kriselle in general, nor is the pairing genuinely heterosexual. The roles they are forced into in the Snowgrave route can be read into as resembling an “abusive heterosexual (patriarchal) marriage”. None of that is really important to my thesis, it was just an aside I made, but I think some people took “heterosexual” out of the context of the surrounding phrase and/or applied the statement to Kriselle as a general ship outside of Snowgrave.
i think they're teenagers. which is to say, no shit their relationships are kinda messed up sometimes, they haven't learned how to deal with this shit yet.
yeah, teenagers and even adults could have a crush in people they know for a FACT they do bad and messed up things. Like that whole "I can fix them" or "I don't want to fix them, I want them to break me" is because people are attracted to what is bad, even when good natured
the Noelle choking Berdly thing is similar to people thinking Kris doesn't like hugs because of what Asgore said even though the original quote is "i forgot if you don"t like hugs LIKE THAT" but people act like Kris hates all hugs
Considering their mother hugs them similarly, perhaps it’s less that they dont like hugs and more symbolic in nature. Maybe they feel they’re coddled or being overly protected. Maybe they feel like they’re restricted, etc. I don’t like the idea of Kris being hugged by their mom as if she doesn’t know better.
It's like people forget Gorey was canonically one of the strongest monsters in UT! He's a boss monster so he's probably unaware of his own strength. At least I hope that's the case, and not to do with how Kris sees their Dad after the divorce and whatever he did to lose his badge.
@@vanilabeans2186 Honestly I think is just this... I mean Toriel hugs Kris very softly and gently, and Asgore lifted them from the ground and squished them like a teddy bear xD. Is like completely different, and people still don´t get it hahaha. Very strong people can give too strong hugs and those can hurt.
Absolutely in love with the idea Susie being the object of everyone's attractions, and just having such low self-esteem that she doesn't accept it. It feels both funny, and like it could set up some genuinely heart wrenching scenes when she learns how much she means to everyone.
Hoenstly I don't even think the Noelle throttling Berdly scene even needed acknowledgement, it's so clearly a bit and doesn't affect their dynamic in any way come the end of the chapter 😭
i really dont know why people took it so seriously. undertale was known for its over the top bits and deltarune is too. i always just thought it was hilarious and left it at that.
Like, Toby is being silly. He is making the funny. Everyone likes seeing Berdly get a little throttled. Hell, apparently people like seeing Berdly get frozen to death and his corpse getting encased in ice if the memes about Snowgrave are anything to go by.
15:08 A really important little detail here is Noelle doesn't kill Spamton with Snowgrave, she uses Iceshock instead. Even when the player is directly calling for her, she's still somewhat able to resist using the spell that very clearly traumatised her.
@@Youaveragecountryhumansfan Ralsei is not mentioned often as he is mostly sidelined out of the Susie harem group since he lacks an identity beyond serving lightners.
I really hope that Noelle eventually becomes a party member with Kris, Susie, and Ralsei. A 4-person battle system would be so cool. Kris would be the leader, Susie would be the tank person who hits very hard, Ralsei would be the healer, and Noelle would be the magic wielder/spell caster.
It'd be fun for like a one-off battle for sure! I honestly wish rpgs with a party limit system would have a fight where it forces you to use more than the regular amount just temporarily.
Tbh, probably won’t happen. Or if it does, it wasn’t planned in advance. Toby admitted he wanted to have Berdly take part in the final fight with a 4 person fight but couldn’t figure out how to program him into the battle. so he just made Queen do the “look behind you!” strategy. I hope Noelle becomes a bigger part of the upcoming chapters for sure.
Note that with both kris and ralsei keeping BIG secrets from her, a harsh reveal might send susie into an aggressive panic state that only Noelle is situated to pull her out of. If Noelle's mental state is unbalanced enough when susie is vulnerable... Hoo boy. But on a lighter note, Susie has two confirmed suitors by chapter 2. How high will that number rise when she takes a single shower? When she personally saves catti and popular kid jockington? When the class sees her throw an axe into a titanic monster mid-Roaring? Susie is the protagonist of deltarune, and every cliche anime has a harem subplot.
I like these two. But no matter whether their relationship becomes romantic or stays platonic I'm most excited to see how their dynamic changes depending on which route you're on.
Man, I am not joking when I say I would watch a 3 hour long video essay about you talking about Deltarune characters. I eat this stuff up and you explain everything so well
It’s interesting that both Susie and Noelle can kind of “break” the constraints of what’s going on, albeit in different ways (coincidentally both are gamers who play RPG games) based on their personality. Susie doesn’t have to listen to the party’s leader (atypical of most party RPG games). Both Susie and Ralsei elect to listen to Kris. Noelle joins the party and is controllable and will obey whatever you decide, which is different from Susie. But she’s also capable of breaking the game, in an almost horror creepypasta/glitches way. She can jump over or push cones as well to get into inaccessible areas. In a way, these “game mechanics” also strike a resemblance to the ability of Kris to “save” (something they can do independent of the player. Which also makes me think Ralsei’s ability to make “cutscenes” where the player sees something independent of Kris and relay information to the player and Kris. I wonder if Berdley has something similar, or if it’s just these 4 characters. Most of this has nothing to do with your ship video, but something you said inspired this train of thought.
Noelle DOES have determination levels similar to Kris, according to Queen. Monsters can embody DT in this universe just as well as humans, unlike UT. Burghley doesn't get the prompt to really use his DT like Kris and Noelle do. If he somehow makes it into future dark worlds maybe he'll be a party member?
I like the idea of the characters having control over the Dark World in different ways. Genuinely don't think I've ever heard that before. Major credit to you, & I hope this ends up being a real thing and not just your headcanon lol.
i hate hate hate HATE so much how seriously some people in the deltarune community take the characters in aspects that are just so clearly not what the writing of the game is going for. like calling susie x noelle... toxic??? or hating on berdly with a genuine passion like he's some kind of real life incel creep and not just a light-hearted depiction of a self absorbed nerd who's actually just insecure. there's so many other examples of stuff like this i've seen... stuff like people thinking toriel is homophobic?? how does anyone come to that conclusion?? i usually hate it when people bring up fandoms and generalize them but lately the deltarune and undertale fandoms have really been frustrating me lol
@@Paleowgh Idk. When I first heard of it, it was from like a thread on twitter or something about how they think Toriel is actually implied homophobic and how they think it will actually be a plot point in Deltarune or something. And I'm just like... How delusional are you honestly like what. Homophobia basically doesn't even exist in the Undertale world bro
Yeah, I never considered the idea of it being related to the shadow crystals. I’m honestly glad, cuz that means whatever is in there will be brought up in some capacity again. My only issue with the Spamton Sweepstakes is that the info revealed in the ARG wouldn’t be accessible to new players. If it becomes relevant in such a way later on in game, that would be cool
One thing I feel like is overlooked is that Susie most likely projects her feelings onto others and has a habit of lashing out and yet she never targets Noelle. If we want to read into this then she loves Noelle more than she hates herself and hasn't realized it yet.
@@demetriam2408 There is so much relating Papyrus and Mettaton together though, way too much for 2 characters that didnt interact in the game at all Unless you count an indirect kiss, they are both the only non-dog characters that will catch the stick with their mouth if you throw it at them
Honestly this video made Suselle click for me. I’ve understood the appeal before but I’ve never noticed how Noelle and Susie just complete eachother like puzzle pieces until this video. Makes me definitely think it’s gonna be canon
Kris is very obviously interested in Susie, Noelle is very obviously interested in Susie, _Ralsei_ might potentially be interested in Susie, fucking- who knows, Jockington might be interested in Susie "Who gets to be with Susie" is either going to break the fandom, be the Player's choice for who gets to date the lizard, or is going to result in the largest polycule you've ever seen and I will take no other answers
People need remember platonic shipping exist Edit: This video is well made btw Edit edit: Kris might not have a crush on Susie,sure the tea leave is high but they still could see Susie as a friend
as someone who is an aspiring writer, this is eye opening in the sense that i did not realise how much people overthink things like short 30 second gags or character interactions. Like legitimately toby most likely wrote the scene of noelle offering to switch seats as a "she's just trying to help kris out but is still also interested to learn more about susie herself" but the fandom's like "NO THIS IS A SIGN THAT SHE'S SECRETLY A MASOCHIST AND WANTS SUSIE TO HURT HER" which is certainly a very staggering position to see people taking.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I'm so tired of seeing awful awful takes on Suselle, and Noelle in general. Thank you thank you thank you. Also, my personal headcanon on what happened in Noelle's room on the Weird Route is that when Susie told Noelle it was all a dream, she was like "Oh, I'm so relieved, I could just-!" and then kissed Susie several times, not even because of her romantic feelings towards her, just because she was so utterly relieved that all those horrible things were just a terrible nightmare, and soon she'd wake up everything would be ok again. But, I also really like your comments on the future of their relationship in the weird route - it would be really interesting if, in the weird route, they get together quicker, but break apart by the end of the game because they rushed into it and things got messy, whereas in the regular route they get time to build a relationship. Sort of like, the weird route gives you that instant gratification, but without the positive long-term outcome.
My thoughts exactly on. Yeah Noelle is an example of many traditional feminine characters getting shit on more then usual, but that a whole another issue
I don't like the ship because Toby decided to write those vlog thingies and Noelle is a absolute creep in them, it made me really dislike her when otherwise in the game I liked her.
I always thought the "me too" at the end of the ferris wheel scene was a reciprocation of love, but idk You're spot on on susie and noelle having main plot relevance. Theres a sketch in the undertale artbook of a lizard creature fighting a 4 winged antlered angel in an ice cave.
5:07 I've always thought that, when Kris tells Noelle about Susie eating chalk, the way the line is written implies Noelle very much knew Susie was taking the chalk, she just didn't know WHAT she was doing with it. If she didn't know I figure the line would rather be written more like "Wait, she was eating... chalk?" or something similar to imply she didn't know anything about that. I honestly think EVERYONE knew Susie was taking it, even Alphys who's just spineless and wouldn't call her out on it anyway, because Susie's a delinquent to them and it seems like something she'd do to disrupt the class. The idea that the blog entries aren't of the current timeline is super interesting and one I never considered!! But I do think the chalk comment is misinterpreted just a smidge? Noelle is smart and clearly infatuated with Susie at this point, I figure she'd be able to figure out that it's Susie stealing the chalk especially if she's taken special interest in her. I just don't think anyone's first assumption is gonna be that said thief is EATING the chalk lmao, so she's reasonably surprised
You know, I really hate this attitude, amongst young fans mostly, that a ship has to be perfect clean and wholesome and never do anything that can even be perceived as problematic otherwise it's Bad. Calling Noelle a stalker is such a stretch!
i love how level headed and neutral your commentary is! i find it hard not to find polarizing takes in any fandom and this feels like a nice, objective stance
oh my gods, i think some people are really taking things too seriously. Noelle strangling Birdley is, first and foremost, HILARIOUS. Noelle very likely has a crush on Susie because, despite being this big, mean, tough gal (on the surface), who is rude and scary to everyone else, still chose to show Noelle kindness. That's a great trope, I am not accepting any criticism. Also, all of the characters are exaggerations of who they would be irl, so WHAT if someone wants to be stepped on, even though it's clear that's very likely not going to happen since Susie does not want to hurt Noelle, it's media to be enjoyed, it's not propaganda. Damn people relax. And it's wild that it's ME who has to be saying this (if you know, you know). Great video, honestly, excellent take due to your no-nonsense approach.
Also, if some people are getting their panties in a twist over "uhhh this ship toxic", what about Snowgrave??? Where we take control of the player character (Kris), make them do our bidding and manipulate their friend (Noelle) by abusing her and turning her into a pawn, all the while Kris looks on in horror?? Hypocritical? Nitpicky? It seems so.
And yeah, Noelle's character isn't "chick who has a crush on Susie", it's *so much more complex,* I can't believe people don't see that. If anything, her having a crush on Susie is a perfectly complimentary addition to her as a person, it makes full sense based on her trauma, based on her personal tastes, based on the expectations people force on her, based on her interests, and so on. She's by far one of the most compelling and extensively written characters in Deltarune. I think (and hope) she'll have a much larger role later on and that she lives up to the near main character status.
I know a video is good when halfway through I pause it and turn into one of those edited manga panels with a character crying and saying "It's just so peak...". I was a little wary of this given that I've seen similar video titles in videos that come across as maybe too critical for their own sake, so I'm very pleased that (so far, I haven't finished watching yet) this video seems to be very balanced and thorough in its analysis.
Your Deltarune analyses are absolutely incredible! You are so good at these kinds of character deep dives, and I hope you make more videos like these in the future. I'll definitely be going back and rewatching this and your Susie + Ralsei video when other chapters are coming out.
"force a lesbian and her non binary friend into an abusive heterosexual marriage coded relationship" Toby literally made the Geno route homophobic and transphobic LMAOOO
I still feel like the "Berdly shaking" scene is foreshadowing. It might be a slapstick joke scene by itself, and I don't even think Berdly will show up much in subsequent chapters (he kind of served his purpose and had his whole arc in chapter 2), but I do believe there's potential for a love-triangle conflict, what with Kris being implied to be interested in Susie as well.
Wow! I love any UT/DR content, but a really thoughtful analysis like this is a special treat! You've got yourself a sub, and I've got myself a real treasure in finding you. Thank you!!
suselle sold me more based off of the snowgrave route recontextualize a lot of noelle's behavior. She doesn't like the winter months because it reminds her of her lost sister. The festive nature of the season repels her because of the negative feelings it invites. She instead finds herself attracted to the occult and the supernatural. The scary, dangerous, and frightening. All conditions fulfilled by winter's neighboring season, fall. More specifically, Halloween. Noelle crushes on Susie not just because of a timid gay feeling, she crushes on her because Susie is a *bad girl*, a *scary girl*, in a school full of goody toeshoes monsters. It's a somewhat toxic attraction. While it's played for wholesome points in the natural route, it gets a lot of nuance taking into account Noelle's fascination with the occult and her trauma. This is a far cry of depth compared to Undertale's Alphys and Undyne where it mostly just culminated in jokey cringe from an Otaku and a Jock both inexperienced in love getting together.
oh my god, never made the connection of her attachment to occult/supernatural/etc with halloween, the very last major stop of the year BEFORE the winter months... like fixating on / getting drawn to the time right before everything went wrong and awful.... love it
6:10 My take on the Noelle being weird about Susie smashing her into lockers or in the ground is that she is... SUPER horny xD like, she imagines Susie smashing her in a locker but like with a hot kiss or something like that, she is not imaging a puch or something really bad. Something I have noticed about DR is that it has more double-meaning humor and sometimes a little sexy. For example all the teasing between Rudy and Asgore that is like joking but also kind of double meaning (Rudy getting mad of Sans giving him peackles, Rudy saying that Asgore is a fruit but hairy like a kiwi, and all the stuff about the flowers Asgore gives him, even Susie comments that is weird and that she is not trying to understand it XD). It annoys me that people right away label the relationship as toxic when the relationship hasn´t even began... I mean they just talked ONE time like for real, and Noelle started to saw that Susie wasn´t that terrible and scary monster but that she was a goofy silly person and also heroic and I think she even liked her more in THAT way than before... Honestly, it would be fine for me if the relationship wasn´t canon, I like them also as friends, but this is not as bad as people picture it lol. Maybe today teens are more conscious about toxic relationships and this is why some people is seeing red flags there but a lot of those things are meant to be funny and to have a double-meaning. Noelle on her blog puts xD and says a lot of things jockingly, so why they take the smash into the lockers and the other ferris wheel scene so seriously?? She is just trailing off into wishful thinking, and she is not imagine Susie smacking her on the floor with pain but with joy... You know what kind xD.
@@finnvaneekelen7740 yup mostly about her antlers. Essentially everyone calls her the antlered girl and doe’s (I think thats the name?) usually don’t have antlers. Plus sans says “The antlered girl and her sister” implying dess doesn’t have antlers.
Another banger. Love the actual character analyzing instead of just, you know, theorizing about about what's going to happen in Chapter 7 or whatever. Good stuff, keep it up :3
YESSSS YOU HIT ALL THE POINTS I HAD (even the blogpost au theory which i always keep in my brain whenever people mention it to make claims about the interpersonal dynamics) AND EVEN MORE THAT I HADNT CONSIDERED!!!!! (like the take-2 deltarune theory?? thats so cool i will definitely be rotating this in my brain) im really happy to see such a sound and empirical take on suselle. im definitely biased in favor of them because. well. I just really want suselle to win LMAO theyre very important to me. great vid as always
that reminds me of that meme (idk what L Void video it appears in) where Susie says: "As a woman who's a gross dude, I love men who are fancy ladies. we are best friends" with a picture of Susie and Ralsei
Really great video! i desperately wished there were more people who explored the dynamics the cast has with eachother, and you served on that wish perfectly! also nice art!! i didnt expect to see drdt fanart on a deltarune video of all things, but i love seeing other people with the same little niche interests as mine! its kinda cheesy at this point but keep it up!
OUGH I NEVER CONSIDERED ANY OF THIS!!!! this actually cuts way deeper into the relationship and is both well thought out and articulated. i didnt really think about suselle a lot before because it felt shallow, but this goes into the Depths of it? it both shows how susie and noelle compliment each other story and motive wise, and what the basis for the relationship even is outside of being cute. the note about susie’s dream lie and how noelle isnt afraid of things she has control over is such a good observation as well it makes so much sense and its really neat!! also the thing about her liking to have control over things or. not being truly afraid of them reminds me of snowgrave though thas kind of obvious. makes me wonder if itll tie in? alsoalso people think suselle is What (referring to abuse?? or stalking??), and alsoalsoalso god i need to get more media literate or analyze things. anyways cool
If you have any video ideas like these two deltarune videos youve made in the future, PLEASE make them these are so great!! Your humor, ideas and video editing are incredible
Really liked the analysis. It took me a while to come to appreciate Noelle’s character (prob cus she’s relatable lol), and this helped me appreciate her even more.
I like the idea that the only thing that actually changes in the ending of Deltarune is who Susie ends up with. Kris and Noelle are the easiest pairings to get but you also have berdly, ralsei, and Susie alone.
Another small comment just to thank you for this video!! I am very fond of Suselle, I think they make a lot of sense and they complement each other in a lot of ways. Even if they end up being just friends but very good friends I would be happy, I am more interested in how that relationship will influence the story. I have tried to explain other people this and you understood it very well!! The potential of an interesting dynamic is right now like ¨theoretical¨, but people are reading the relationship too literal (saying relationship in general, not necesarily romantic).
I can kinda relate to your thoughts near the end. As someone older who has already experienced relationships, and even is less interested to be in one anymore. I don’t really care for ships. But more so, I’m interested in the relationships, hardships, and seeing eye to eye as people. How will they react? A dreamy, cute, ship that has no issues what so ever. Is the lamest thing to me. Because all relationships are not perfect. It requires common ground, compromises, arguments, but also growing up. If Susie and Noelle do become a thing. I don’t want it to be boring, and especially in same sex relationships. There are even outside issues such as not approving family or other town members not liking it. He could explore many things. Even unrequited love. It’s a thing many people experience. Even in those together. Sometimes one is a lot more committed than the other.
ngl I'm kinda disapponted Noelle wasn't choking berdly. I thought that was too funny. But I did know that was out of confusion and shock more than jelously. And I do think the fandom kinda reads into certain things to much. You can't take one instance of a character and just say that is part of their personality. Noelle doesn't hate berdly just because she shook him about. You already listed all the examples pointing in the other direction.
I wonder if the laughter was out of emotional pain, or nervousness, or not knowing how to handle emotions of grief, like Chara. Or who knows, maybe Chara laughed because of the idea that came to them about poisoning themselves in the most painful way possible as ghey just witnessed with Asgore, only more intensively to a lethal extent. If it's that last one then it'd line up with the "Chara climbed the mountain for not happy reasons".
Are you planning on making a video over the relationship with Kris and Noelle? I see there’s a bunch of narrative weight and implications there that I barely see people talk about, especially given how both of them are tied to an integral point of the story, probably with the bunker.
I love the thoughts on how Snowgrave could impact Noelle's relationships with Kris and Susie since I'm a Krisuselle shipper who loves drama and pain lmao. I just think these little fictional characters are neat and i want to put them through a blender :3
I also think that theres, oh i dont know, only two chapters out? and maybe they havent gotten a chance to actually flesh out the relationship yet because they literally started interacting in chapter 2 out of 2
21:28, you're a deltarune fan, a your turn to die fan, AND a danganronpa despair time fan?!?!?!? holy shit you have excellent taste my friend (also i really like your art)
I'd be very interested in seeing a theory brought to cohesion that de-canonizes the spamton sweepstakes - if you did a theory video on that reddit post you linked earlier (or your synthesis of a theory like it) wherein it is theorized the timeline restarted, i'd be interested in seeing your take on what happened in the newest girl timeline
This is a really refreshing take on suselle imo. I've seen some especially horrid takes in the fandom about the ship, and about a lot of the ships in general, so this was really nice to see
i also wonder what susie might think in snowgrave if she finds out about what kris and noelle did… because even though kris (or us really) commanded noelle to act, noelle did actually do the killing. susie is violent but does not kill, so i wonder how, if this happens, will change things and their relationship
The way I see anything involving Suzie abd romance is "the girl is OBLY now making a sovial life for herself and has a lot of other things going on for now" I honestly don't know that anything will come of it or aby other ship in the single week the game is likely to take place over
0:19 If your mom watched Twilight or read any trashy romance novels, shipping will be very easy to understand. Now, dear ol' dad might find it more confusing.
I’ll definitely consider it! I’m not sure I have as much to bring to the table because I already agree with the way the fandom at large understands their relationship. With Susie/Ralsei and to some extent Susie/Noelle I felt that the importance of those relationships was downplayed and their depth under-discussed, but not so much for Susie/Kris. And I also feel I already sort of went over where I think their relationship is going and its importance to the metanarrative in the Susie/Ralsei video. I definitely think there’s enough going on with them to make an analysis video on, but I’m not sure my points would be very new or original? That said it’s not impossible.
Thanks for replying. :) I think it’s worth saying that even if the content isn’t entirely new or original, I would still watch because I like your style. Whatever you decide I’m looking forward to more content!
I just put it together, but I think the Ralsei-Asriel thing might turn into Dess showing up in a dark world, only to get to the closing of the fountain and Noelle is holding that guitar
If you could maybe lighten up on layering narration over text slides that are presumably meant to be read, and give those slides more time so that they don't need to be paused to be read, that'd probably be pretty super.
I don't know why people think Alphyne and Suzelle are the same ship, especially when Alphys's and Undyne's entire relationship is clearly Toby Fox writing Snake/Otacon fanfiction.
In 2022 there was a “spamton sweepstakes” charity event and the website contained a lot of hidden links to teasers and lore. some of the links were blog posts by noelle and “the newest girl” was one of them. if you want to see for yourself you can find a lot of videos summarizing the sweepstakes on youtube or you can search for a masterpost with all the links
Even if I'm not CRAZY about shipping in fandoms, Suselle is just neat tbh (Tho I've always been a day1 Krusie fan but shhhh) And Tobyfox is a good writer. Whether he chooses to play it straight, subvert it, or do a third more mysterious thing I know I'll prolly like it anyways It aint that serious at the end of the day, y'know?
I forgot about this until now - speaking of Susie not entering the diner because of Catti, we do see her in the diner in one of the chapter 4 teasers from the 2022 anniversary status update. Catti isn’t visible in the screenshot but if she were working at the time she’d be covered up by the textbox anyway. Maybe those two are on better terms as of chapter 4 post-dark world.
Also, some people are confused about 13:20 - I am not talking about Kriselle in general, nor is the pairing genuinely heterosexual. The roles they are forced into in the Snowgrave route can be read into as resembling an “abusive heterosexual (patriarchal) marriage”. None of that is really important to my thesis, it was just an aside I made, but I think some people took “heterosexual” out of the context of the surrounding phrase and/or applied the statement to Kriselle as a general ship outside of Snowgrave.
i think they're teenagers. which is to say, no shit their relationships are kinda messed up sometimes, they haven't learned how to deal with this shit yet.
yeah, teenagers and even adults could have a crush in people they know for a FACT they do bad and messed up things. Like that whole "I can fix them" or "I don't want to fix them, I want them to break me" is because people are attracted to what is bad, even when good natured
the Noelle choking Berdly thing is similar to people thinking Kris doesn't like hugs because of what Asgore said even though the original quote is "i forgot if you don"t like hugs LIKE THAT" but people act like Kris hates all hugs
Considering their mother hugs them similarly, perhaps it’s less that they dont like hugs and more symbolic in nature.
Maybe they feel they’re coddled or being overly protected. Maybe they feel like they’re restricted, etc. I don’t like the idea of Kris being hugged by their mom as if she doesn’t know better.
To add to this, Kris *_canonically_* can ask Susie for a hug after the Spamton Neo fight, and they do it *_on their own_* without our intervention.
So true it could just be that Kris just doesn't like bear hugs? Cause asgore is a big guy after all and probably squishes Kris with that hug lmao
It's like people forget Gorey was canonically one of the strongest monsters in UT! He's a boss monster so he's probably unaware of his own strength.
At least I hope that's the case, and not to do with how Kris sees their Dad after the divorce and whatever he did to lose his badge.
@@vanilabeans2186 Honestly I think is just this... I mean Toriel hugs Kris very softly and gently, and Asgore lifted them from the ground and squished them like a teddy bear xD. Is like completely different, and people still don´t get it hahaha. Very strong people can give too strong hugs and those can hurt.
Absolutely in love with the idea Susie being the object of everyone's attractions, and just having such low self-esteem that she doesn't accept it. It feels both funny, and like it could set up some genuinely heart wrenching scenes when she learns how much she means to everyone.
Susie is so loved, even Clam Girl from UNDERTALE was hyping her up
It also narratively makes sense, since Susie has the freedom that none of them have and all of them desire
she's the harem protag of the game
Hoenstly I don't even think the Noelle throttling Berdly scene even needed acknowledgement, it's so clearly a bit and doesn't affect their dynamic in any way come the end of the chapter 😭
i really dont know why people took it so seriously. undertale was known for its over the top bits and deltarune is too. i always just thought it was hilarious and left it at that.
@@bumbabeesthe bird that carries you over a disproportionality small gap is an extremely important part of Undertale lore
@@thegreatchipman ah right, of course. how could i forget. without it, the lore would be in shambles. irreparable.
Like, Toby is being silly. He is making the funny. Everyone likes seeing Berdly get a little throttled. Hell, apparently people like seeing Berdly get frozen to death and his corpse getting encased in ice if the memes about Snowgrave are anything to go by.
15:08 A really important little detail here is Noelle doesn't kill Spamton with Snowgrave, she uses Iceshock instead. Even when the player is directly calling for her, she's still somewhat able to resist using the spell that very clearly traumatised her.
we now need a Kris and Susie relationship analysis to complete the trinity
True!
And lancer!
@@droyconAnd ralsei!
@@maila319We already have Susie and Ralsei
@@Youaveragecountryhumansfan Ralsei is not mentioned often as he is mostly sidelined out of the Susie harem group since he lacks an identity beyond serving lightners.
I think most interpret that sprite of her shaking Berdly as choking him due to sound effect that follows it often being associated with damage.
Berdly in the dialogue is literally choking as well XD
@@seandorama5932 I mean bro was being violently shaken like a milkshake I wouldnt blame Berdly for being unable to speak
@@GwainSagaFanChannel I guess Noelle miss-shook him for a milkshake!
oh my god that was terrible XD
No, give yourself some credit, that was ice.
@@seandorama5932that was terrible indeed, please leave
I had no idea this ship was controversial. The game practically ships them itself. lol
Yeah, but its debated if susie likes her back.
@@desmondcoppin591 doesn't really refute what I said though
@@mylam658 Wasn’t supposed to? I was saying that that’s why it’s controversial.
@@desmondcoppin591 oh ok
@@mylam658
Why act like a asshole?
I really hope that Noelle eventually becomes a party member with Kris, Susie, and Ralsei. A 4-person battle system would be so cool. Kris would be the leader, Susie would be the tank person who hits very hard, Ralsei would be the healer, and Noelle would be the magic wielder/spell caster.
I think a mechanic where you could swap out the main party members would work slightly better, even though it'd be *a lot* of extra text and acts
It'd be fun for like a one-off battle for sure! I honestly wish rpgs with a party limit system would have a fight where it forces you to use more than the regular amount just temporarily.
I feel we need more variety in party members in general. the way Susie and Kris play is almost identical
ofc ralsei also uses magic but hes a healer with mental protection from using harmfull spells that appiles to both people around him and himself
Tbh, probably won’t happen. Or if it does, it wasn’t planned in advance. Toby admitted he wanted to have Berdly take part in the final fight with a 4 person fight but couldn’t figure out how to program him into the battle. so he just made Queen do the “look behind you!” strategy.
I hope Noelle becomes a bigger part of the upcoming chapters for sure.
Note that with both kris and ralsei keeping BIG secrets from her, a harsh reveal might send susie into an aggressive panic state that only Noelle is situated to pull her out of. If Noelle's mental state is unbalanced enough when susie is vulnerable... Hoo boy.
But on a lighter note, Susie has two confirmed suitors by chapter 2. How high will that number rise when she takes a single shower? When she personally saves catti and popular kid jockington? When the class sees her throw an axe into a titanic monster mid-Roaring? Susie is the protagonist of deltarune, and every cliche anime has a harem subplot.
I'm like 50% certain Kris had a crush on her, too. I'm here for everyone being in love with this one dumbass.
@@Chowder_T yes
@@Chowder_T Yes they do, kind of obvious, even if they don´t talk.
@@Chowder_T im for that simply because at this point susie is more of the protagonist than kris is. and i think its hilarious lmao.
@@MoRPho151 huh did i miss something
I like these two. But no matter whether their relationship becomes romantic or stays platonic I'm most excited to see how their dynamic changes depending on which route you're on.
Krerdly showing up in the beginning gave me psychic damage
It's scary seeing my "at first it was a joke" ship show up in the public 😭😭
Man, I am not joking when I say I would watch a 3 hour long video essay about you talking about Deltarune characters. I eat this stuff up and you explain everything so well
Totally agree!!!
His voice is also very nice to listen to. Good videos to listen to while playing games like animal crossing
It’s interesting that both Susie and Noelle can kind of “break” the constraints of what’s going on, albeit in different ways (coincidentally both are gamers who play RPG games) based on their personality.
Susie doesn’t have to listen to the party’s leader (atypical of most party RPG games). Both Susie and Ralsei elect to listen to Kris.
Noelle joins the party and is controllable and will obey whatever you decide, which is different from Susie. But she’s also capable of breaking the game, in an almost horror creepypasta/glitches way. She can jump over or push cones as well to get into inaccessible areas.
In a way, these “game mechanics” also strike a resemblance to the ability of Kris to “save” (something they can do independent of the player. Which also makes me think Ralsei’s ability to make “cutscenes” where the player sees something independent of Kris and relay information to the player and Kris.
I wonder if Berdley has something similar, or if it’s just these 4 characters. Most of this has nothing to do with your ship video, but something you said inspired this train of thought.
i love this idea, i hvaent heard anyone bring this up before!!
Noelle DOES have determination levels similar to Kris, according to Queen. Monsters can embody DT in this universe just as well as humans, unlike UT.
Burghley doesn't get the prompt to really use his DT like Kris and Noelle do. If he somehow makes it into future dark worlds maybe he'll be a party member?
If you think about it, both Ralsei and Berdly create cutscenes that tell a story (The Legend and Bluebird of Misfortune).
@@1BeautifulDucklol Berdly is actually Ralsei's counterpart instead of Asriel being Ralsei's and Berdly being Noelle's that's now canon
I like the idea of the characters having control over the Dark World in different ways. Genuinely don't think I've ever heard that before. Major credit to you, & I hope this ends up being a real thing and not just your headcanon lol.
i hate hate hate HATE so much how seriously some people in the deltarune community take the characters in aspects that are just so clearly not what the writing of the game is going for. like calling susie x noelle... toxic??? or hating on berdly with a genuine passion like he's some kind of real life incel creep and not just a light-hearted depiction of a self absorbed nerd who's actually just insecure. there's so many other examples of stuff like this i've seen... stuff like people thinking toriel is homophobic?? how does anyone come to that conclusion??
i usually hate it when people bring up fandoms and generalize them but lately the deltarune and undertale fandoms have really been frustrating me lol
I am pretty sure most people agree that being Annoying is what means Berdly deserves to die, not being a Incel or anything.
@@thereactor3945but I love him :(
Isn’t the “Toriel is homophobic” thing mostly a joke made by the fandom?
@@Paleowgh Idk. When I first heard of it, it was from like a thread on twitter or something about how they think Toriel is actually implied homophobic and how they think it will actually be a plot point in Deltarune or something. And I'm just like... How delusional are you honestly like what. Homophobia basically doesn't even exist in the Undertale world bro
@@perhapsmoose Ah I see.
Ok that "The blogposts are not canon/from this timeline" theory is REALLY cool
Yes I wanna see a Deltarune multiverse where this blogpost event happens in one of the universes.
Yeah, I never considered the idea of it being related to the shadow crystals.
I’m honestly glad, cuz that means whatever is in there will be brought up in some capacity again. My only issue with the Spamton Sweepstakes is that the info revealed in the ARG wouldn’t be accessible to new players.
If it becomes relevant in such a way later on in game, that would be cool
What no it's dumb
One thing I feel like is overlooked is that Susie most likely projects her feelings onto others and has a habit of lashing out and yet she never targets Noelle. If we want to read into this then she loves Noelle more than she hates herself and hasn't realized it yet.
kerdly analysis when?
I second this!
Agreed
The best pairing
So true
11:20
The vine boom sfx
The lesbian flag
Susie’s smug smile
It’s just *Chefs kiss*🤌
Now *this* is what Toby Fox meant when he said "there will be a Deltarune"
Krerdly truthers rise up
The only ship I've ever jumped on board as fast was Papyton and those two characters literally never even talked
@@demetriam2408 There is so much relating Papyrus and Mettaton together though, way too much for 2 characters that didnt interact in the game at all
Unless you count an indirect kiss, they are both the only non-dog characters that will catch the stick with their mouth if you throw it at them
Honestly this video made Suselle click for me. I’ve understood the appeal before but I’ve never noticed how Noelle and Susie just complete eachother like puzzle pieces until this video. Makes me definitely think it’s gonna be canon
Kris is very obviously interested in Susie, Noelle is very obviously interested in Susie, _Ralsei_ might potentially be interested in Susie, fucking- who knows, Jockington might be interested in Susie
"Who gets to be with Susie" is either going to break the fandom, be the Player's choice for who gets to date the lizard, or is going to result in the largest polycule you've ever seen and I will take no other answers
Largest polycule or single Susie are the only options I would like to see play out
People need remember platonic shipping exist
Edit: This video is well made btw
Edit edit: Kris might not have a crush on Susie,sure the tea leave is high but they still could see Susie as a friend
I’m actually more inclined to believe kris doesn’t have a crush on susie in canon as well but I had to sacrifice it for the bit
as someone who is an aspiring writer, this is eye opening in the sense that i did not realise how much people overthink things like short 30 second gags or character interactions. Like legitimately toby most likely wrote the scene of noelle offering to switch seats as a "she's just trying to help kris out but is still also interested to learn more about susie herself" but the fandom's like "NO THIS IS A SIGN THAT SHE'S SECRETLY A MASOCHIST AND WANTS SUSIE TO HURT HER" which is certainly a very staggering position to see people taking.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I'm so tired of seeing awful awful takes on Suselle, and Noelle in general. Thank you thank you thank you.
Also, my personal headcanon on what happened in Noelle's room on the Weird Route is that when Susie told Noelle it was all a dream, she was like "Oh, I'm so relieved, I could just-!" and then kissed Susie several times, not even because of her romantic feelings towards her, just because she was so utterly relieved that all those horrible things were just a terrible nightmare, and soon she'd wake up everything would be ok again.
But, I also really like your comments on the future of their relationship in the weird route - it would be really interesting if, in the weird route, they get together quicker, but break apart by the end of the game because they rushed into it and things got messy, whereas in the regular route they get time to build a relationship. Sort of like, the weird route gives you that instant gratification, but without the positive long-term outcome.
My thoughts exactly on. Yeah Noelle is an example of many traditional feminine characters getting shit on more then usual, but that a whole another issue
@@starmaker75
Traditional?
She's lesbian.
I don't like the ship because Toby decided to write those vlog thingies and Noelle is a absolute creep in them, it made me really dislike her when otherwise in the game I liked her.
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 What things?
@@Cute___E
Sweepstakes Noelle vlogs, read 'em yourself and see it.
I always thought the "me too" at the end of the ferris wheel scene was a reciprocation of love, but idk
You're spot on on susie and noelle having main plot relevance. Theres a sketch in the undertale artbook of a lizard creature fighting a 4 winged antlered angel in an ice cave.
THERES A SKETCH OF WHAT
@thisnameisbad3609 yeah look up "undertale artbook ice cave" it should be the second image that comes up
Oh my god you’re right. I have the book and I just checked. Page 26
The best ship is the friends we've made along the way... Unless if it sinks in a acid pool.
5:07 I've always thought that, when Kris tells Noelle about Susie eating chalk, the way the line is written implies Noelle very much knew Susie was taking the chalk, she just didn't know WHAT she was doing with it. If she didn't know I figure the line would rather be written more like "Wait, she was eating... chalk?" or something similar to imply she didn't know anything about that. I honestly think EVERYONE knew Susie was taking it, even Alphys who's just spineless and wouldn't call her out on it anyway, because Susie's a delinquent to them and it seems like something she'd do to disrupt the class. The idea that the blog entries aren't of the current timeline is super interesting and one I never considered!! But I do think the chalk comment is misinterpreted just a smidge? Noelle is smart and clearly infatuated with Susie at this point, I figure she'd be able to figure out that it's Susie stealing the chalk especially if she's taken special interest in her. I just don't think anyone's first assumption is gonna be that said thief is EATING the chalk lmao, so she's reasonably surprised
You know, I really hate this attitude, amongst young fans mostly, that a ship has to be perfect clean and wholesome and never do anything that can even be perceived as problematic otherwise it's Bad. Calling Noelle a stalker is such a stretch!
i love how level headed and neutral your commentary is! i find it hard not to find polarizing takes in any fandom and this feels like a nice, objective stance
Finally, some good fucking food
oh my gods, i think some people are really taking things too seriously. Noelle strangling Birdley is, first and foremost, HILARIOUS. Noelle very likely has a crush on Susie because, despite being this big, mean, tough gal (on the surface), who is rude and scary to everyone else, still chose to show Noelle kindness. That's a great trope, I am not accepting any criticism. Also, all of the characters are exaggerations of who they would be irl, so WHAT if someone wants to be stepped on, even though it's clear that's very likely not going to happen since Susie does not want to hurt Noelle, it's media to be enjoyed, it's not propaganda. Damn people relax. And it's wild that it's ME who has to be saying this (if you know, you know).
Great video, honestly, excellent take due to your no-nonsense approach.
Also, if some people are getting their panties in a twist over "uhhh this ship toxic", what about Snowgrave??? Where we take control of the player character (Kris), make them do our bidding and manipulate their friend (Noelle) by abusing her and turning her into a pawn, all the while Kris looks on in horror?? Hypocritical? Nitpicky? It seems so.
And yeah, Noelle's character isn't "chick who has a crush on Susie", it's *so much more complex,* I can't believe people don't see that. If anything, her having a crush on Susie is a perfectly complimentary addition to her as a person, it makes full sense based on her trauma, based on her personal tastes, based on the expectations people force on her, based on her interests, and so on. She's by far one of the most compelling and extensively written characters in Deltarune. I think (and hope) she'll have a much larger role later on and that she lives up to the near main character status.
I know a video is good when halfway through I pause it and turn into one of those edited manga panels with a character crying and saying "It's just so peak...". I was a little wary of this given that I've seen similar video titles in videos that come across as maybe too critical for their own sake, so I'm very pleased that (so far, I haven't finished watching yet) this video seems to be very balanced and thorough in its analysis.
Your Deltarune analyses are absolutely incredible! You are so good at these kinds of character deep dives, and I hope you make more videos like these in the future. I'll definitely be going back and rewatching this and your Susie + Ralsei video when other chapters are coming out.
"force a lesbian and her non binary friend into an abusive heterosexual marriage coded relationship"
Toby literally made the Geno route homophobic and transphobic LMAOOO
I got whiplash when she said it even though she's right
I still feel like the "Berdly shaking" scene is foreshadowing. It might be a slapstick joke scene by itself, and I don't even think Berdly will show up much in subsequent chapters (he kind of served his purpose and had his whole arc in chapter 2), but I do believe there's potential for a love-triangle conflict, what with Kris being implied to be interested in Susie as well.
13:18 ok this is the best description of Snowgrave I heard
Wow! I love any UT/DR content, but a really thoughtful analysis like this is a special treat! You've got yourself a sub, and I've got myself a real treasure in finding you. Thank you!!
suselle sold me more based off of the snowgrave route recontextualize a lot of noelle's behavior. She doesn't like the winter months because it reminds her of her lost sister. The festive nature of the season repels her because of the negative feelings it invites. She instead finds herself attracted to the occult and the supernatural. The scary, dangerous, and frightening. All conditions fulfilled by winter's neighboring season, fall. More specifically, Halloween.
Noelle crushes on Susie not just because of a timid gay feeling, she crushes on her because Susie is a *bad girl*, a *scary girl*, in a school full of goody toeshoes monsters.
It's a somewhat toxic attraction. While it's played for wholesome points in the natural route, it gets a lot of nuance taking into account Noelle's fascination with the occult and her trauma. This is a far cry of depth compared to Undertale's Alphys and Undyne where it mostly just culminated in jokey cringe from an Otaku and a Jock both inexperienced in love getting together.
oh my god, never made the connection of her attachment to occult/supernatural/etc with halloween, the very last major stop of the year BEFORE the winter months... like fixating on / getting drawn to the time right before everything went wrong and awful.... love it
Imagine third wheeling a couple that doesn't even exist in the fictional universe the characters are part of
Great video! The grain on the microphone did drive me a little crazy, but after waiting 3 years for chapter 3 i am way beyond that.
If the microphone quality drove you insane, then you're gonna love the chapter 3 secret boss, Grain E. Mike
6:10 My take on the Noelle being weird about Susie smashing her into lockers or in the ground is that she is... SUPER horny xD like, she imagines Susie smashing her in a locker but like with a hot kiss or something like that, she is not imaging a puch or something really bad. Something I have noticed about DR is that it has more double-meaning humor and sometimes a little sexy. For example all the teasing between Rudy and Asgore that is like joking but also kind of double meaning (Rudy getting mad of Sans giving him peackles, Rudy saying that Asgore is a fruit but hairy like a kiwi, and all the stuff about the flowers Asgore gives him, even Susie comments that is weird and that she is not trying to understand it XD).
It annoys me that people right away label the relationship as toxic when the relationship hasn´t even began... I mean they just talked ONE time like for real, and Noelle started to saw that Susie wasn´t that terrible and scary monster but that she was a goofy silly person and also heroic and I think she even liked her more in THAT way than before...
Honestly, it would be fine for me if the relationship wasn´t canon, I like them also as friends, but this is not as bad as people picture it lol. Maybe today teens are more conscious about toxic relationships and this is why some people is seeing red flags there but a lot of those things are meant to be funny and to have a double-meaning.
Noelle on her blog puts xD and says a lot of things jockingly, so why they take the smash into the lockers and the other ferris wheel scene so seriously?? She is just trailing off into wishful thinking, and she is not imagine Susie smacking her on the floor with pain but with joy... You know what kind xD.
the opening line is funny to me because my mum, who is in her mid 50s, has been reading ships since before I was born 27 years ago :P
I love the style of your storytelling
"The Thorn ring has a trans effect"
Noelle is trans
Noelle being trans actually has some basis, like a real theory lol
@@krisspychisspwait it does? Where? Genuinly curious since ive never heard of this npr thought of it myself
@@finnvaneekelen7740I think its mostly about her antlers but I like the idea in general
@krisspychissp no it doesn't lol
@@finnvaneekelen7740 yup mostly about her antlers. Essentially everyone calls her the antlered girl and doe’s (I think thats the name?) usually don’t have antlers. Plus sans says “The antlered girl and her sister” implying dess doesn’t have antlers.
“Emotionally constipated” is such a funny way of describing Susie and characters like her.
Another banger. Love the actual character analyzing instead of just, you know, theorizing about about what's going to happen in Chapter 7 or whatever. Good stuff, keep it up :3
YESSSS YOU HIT ALL THE POINTS I HAD (even the blogpost au theory which i always keep in my brain whenever people mention it to make claims about the interpersonal dynamics) AND EVEN MORE THAT I HADNT CONSIDERED!!!!! (like the take-2 deltarune theory?? thats so cool i will definitely be rotating this in my brain)
im really happy to see such a sound and empirical take on suselle. im definitely biased in favor of them because. well. I just really want suselle to win LMAO theyre very important to me. great vid as always
Your Deltarune videos are very well made!
Ralsei and Susie are giving me gay boy/lesbian girl best friend energy
that reminds me of that meme (idk what L Void video it appears in) where Susie says:
"As a woman who's a gross dude, I love men who are fancy ladies. we are best friends" with a picture of Susie and Ralsei
Really great video! i desperately wished there were more people who explored the dynamics the cast has with eachother, and you served on that wish perfectly!
also nice art!! i didnt expect to see drdt fanart on a deltarune video of all things, but i love seeing other people with the same little niche interests as mine! its kinda cheesy at this point but keep it up!
As someone who was never really crazy about Suselle you've helped me understand how they're supposed to work; Good stuff 👍
Love your theories :)
OUGH I NEVER CONSIDERED ANY OF THIS!!!! this actually cuts way deeper into the relationship and is both well thought out and articulated. i didnt really think about suselle a lot before because it felt shallow, but this goes into the Depths of it? it both shows how susie and noelle compliment each other story and motive wise, and what the basis for the relationship even is outside of being cute. the note about susie’s dream lie and how noelle isnt afraid of things she has control over is such a good observation as well it makes so much sense and its really neat!! also the thing about her liking to have control over things or. not being truly afraid of them reminds me of snowgrave though thas kind of obvious. makes me wonder if itll tie in? alsoalso people think suselle is What (referring to abuse?? or stalking??), and alsoalsoalso god i need to get more media literate or analyze things. anyways cool
If you have any video ideas like these two deltarune videos youve made in the future, PLEASE make them these are so great!! Your humor, ideas and video editing are incredible
Really liked the analysis. It took me a while to come to appreciate Noelle’s character (prob cus she’s relatable lol), and this helped me appreciate her even more.
IDK, Susie feels like the typical anime protag who is completely oblivious to the obvious signs until the last minute
I like the idea that the only thing that actually changes in the ending of Deltarune is who Susie ends up with. Kris and Noelle are the easiest pairings to get but you also have berdly, ralsei, and Susie alone.
Got more excited than I thought I would seeing this in my sub box
This is good stuff, keep it up
Another small comment just to thank you for this video!! I am very fond of Suselle, I think they make a lot of sense and they complement each other in a lot of ways. Even if they end up being just friends but very good friends I would be happy, I am more interested in how that relationship will influence the story. I have tried to explain other people this and you understood it very well!! The potential of an interesting dynamic is right now like ¨theoretical¨, but people are reading the relationship too literal (saying relationship in general, not necesarily romantic).
I can kinda relate to your thoughts near the end. As someone older who has already experienced relationships, and even is less interested to be in one anymore. I don’t really care for ships. But more so, I’m interested in the relationships, hardships, and seeing eye to eye as people. How will they react? A dreamy, cute, ship that has no issues what so ever. Is the lamest thing to me. Because all relationships are not perfect. It requires common ground, compromises, arguments, but also growing up. If Susie and Noelle do become a thing. I don’t want it to be boring, and especially in same sex relationships. There are even outside issues such as not approving family or other town members not liking it. He could explore many things. Even unrequited love. It’s a thing many people experience. Even in those together. Sometimes one is a lot more committed than the other.
ngl I'm kinda disapponted Noelle wasn't choking berdly. I thought that was too funny. But I did know that was out of confusion and shock more than jelously. And I do think the fandom kinda reads into certain things to much. You can't take one instance of a character and just say that is part of their personality. Noelle doesn't hate berdly just because she shook him about. You already listed all the examples pointing in the other direction.
I wonder if the laughter was out of emotional pain, or nervousness, or not knowing how to handle emotions of grief, like Chara. Or who knows, maybe Chara laughed because of the idea that came to them about poisoning themselves in the most painful way possible as ghey just witnessed with Asgore, only more intensively to a lethal extent. If it's that last one then it'd line up with the "Chara climbed the mountain for not happy reasons".
hey this is a really cool analysis! subscribed :]
12:33 i see how this could go as more than the gag about her tail
and could be what she is trying to to tell noelle
great video, i loved your takes on the relationship.
btw, the links in the description don't work (if they were supposed to be links)!!
oh thanks for telling me! it’s fixed
until about 2 minutes into the video i thought "alphine" was an animal and i was completely confused
Great video
Are you planning on making a video over the relationship with Kris and Noelle? I see there’s a bunch of narrative weight and implications there that I barely see people talk about, especially given how both of them are tied to an integral point of the story, probably with the bunker.
I love the thoughts on how Snowgrave could impact Noelle's relationships with Kris and Susie since I'm a Krisuselle shipper who loves drama and pain lmao. I just think these little fictional characters are neat and i want to put them through a blender :3
Omg thanks for vid!
I also think that theres, oh i dont know, only two chapters out? and maybe they havent gotten a chance to actually flesh out the relationship yet because they literally started interacting in chapter 2 out of 2
21:28, you're a deltarune fan, a your turn to die fan, AND a danganronpa despair time fan?!?!?!? holy shit you have excellent taste my friend (also i really like your art)
you too 🤝 and thank you!
the worst part of the snowgrave route is not being able to see the reindeer girl and the barney lookin girl do gay stuff together
I'd be very interested in seeing a theory brought to cohesion that de-canonizes the spamton sweepstakes - if you did a theory video on that reddit post you linked earlier (or your synthesis of a theory like it) wherein it is theorized the timeline restarted, i'd be interested in seeing your take on what happened in the newest girl timeline
This is a really refreshing take on suselle imo. I've seen some especially horrid takes in the fandom about the ship, and about a lot of the ships in general, so this was really nice to see
i also wonder what susie might think in snowgrave if she finds out about what kris and noelle did… because even though kris (or us really) commanded noelle to act, noelle did actually do the killing. susie is violent but does not kill, so i wonder how, if this happens, will change things and their relationship
The way I see anything involving Suzie abd romance is "the girl is OBLY now making a sovial life for herself and has a lot of other things going on for now" I honestly don't know that anything will come of it or aby other ship in the single week the game is likely to take place over
As much as I love my man Berdly I gotta root for the lesbians ngl
Third theory on the Noelle blog post:
Noelle is writing Friendfiction
(I do not actually beleive this)
0:19 If your mom watched Twilight or read any trashy romance novels, shipping will be very easy to understand. Now, dear ol' dad might find it more confusing.
20:16 oh yeah i would add Catti? to Kris’s list just in case
8:46 hm?
ok let’s get into it(let’s get it over with)
Do you have intentions to talk about the Kris and Susie pairing? I’m curious if you think there’s enough to discuss there.
I’ll definitely consider it! I’m not sure I have as much to bring to the table because I already agree with the way the fandom at large understands their relationship. With Susie/Ralsei and to some extent Susie/Noelle I felt that the importance of those relationships was downplayed and their depth under-discussed, but not so much for Susie/Kris. And I also feel I already sort of went over where I think their relationship is going and its importance to the metanarrative in the Susie/Ralsei video. I definitely think there’s enough going on with them to make an analysis video on, but I’m not sure my points would be very new or original? That said it’s not impossible.
Thanks for replying. :) I think it’s worth saying that even if the content isn’t entirely new or original, I would still watch because I like your style. Whatever you decide I’m looking forward to more content!
HOLY SHIT NAO EGOKORO PFP IN THE WILD
I just put it together, but I think the Ralsei-Asriel thing might turn into Dess showing up in a dark world, only to get to the closing of the fountain and Noelle is holding that guitar
“Imagine trying to explain it to your mom”
My mom does it more than me…
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If you could maybe lighten up on layering narration over text slides that are presumably meant to be read, and give those slides more time so that they don't need to be paused to be read, that'd probably be pretty super.
I don't know why people think Alphyne and Suzelle are the same ship, especially when Alphys's and Undyne's entire relationship is clearly Toby Fox writing Snake/Otacon fanfiction.
What's this stuff about newest girl? This is the first I've ever heard of it.
In 2022 there was a “spamton sweepstakes” charity event and the website contained a lot of hidden links to teasers and lore. some of the links were blog posts by noelle and “the newest girl” was one of them. if you want to see for yourself you can find a lot of videos summarizing the sweepstakes on youtube or you can search for a masterpost with all the links
Even if I'm not CRAZY about shipping in fandoms, Suselle is just neat tbh (Tho I've always been a day1 Krusie fan but shhhh)
And Tobyfox is a good writer. Whether he chooses to play it straight, subvert it, or do a third more mysterious thing
I know I'll prolly like it anyways
It aint that serious at the end of the day, y'know?
YEAHHH NEW VIDEO
0:15 Why does the Chicken Nuggets come with free shipping?
4:02 ok ok *waves hands down*
gotcha👍🏻
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21:35 heartbound? is it heartbound? heartbound mentioned?
This video needs more of the Noid from Dominoes Pizza. If you had the Noid you would have at least 2 fish.
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@@astuffedalpaca5365 I feel like a celebrity being noticed by a celebrity