Kirsty and Rythian had a floor argument
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In German we solved this by calling it the ground floor, then everything above is an "Obergeschoss" (OG) or "above floor" and everything below an "Untergeschuss", i.e "below floor". So the 1. OG is the first floor above ground :)
Classic Rythian, making good, valid arguments and being correct.
He is not correct in the UK.
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@@KirstyYT Nu-uh! Although I am a fellow Swede.
@@jekanyika What? Yes he is lol I know we say 'ground floor' over here but it's STILL a floor you count. I don't look at a three-storey building and say it has TWO floors, do you?
@@Blisterdude123 I'm just talking about what floors are named.
The argument was over when Rythian said "how many floors are on this building, three right?" And Kirsty said "Noooo". On a building with three clear and distinct floors.
You can't say one doesn't count because it's "ground"
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(100% agree)
In the UK the the first floor is the floor above the ground floor. In the US (and maybe Sweden) the first floor is the ground floor.
Eh, that's just a debate tactic where Rythian made it sound like three floors is a gotcha which made Kirsty not want to agree with him. But regardless of there being three floors, both conventions still work.
I personally use Rythian's convention. But I can see how the Kirsty's UK convention is more mathematically sound. If the basement is -1, the first floor being 1 skips zero. So it does make sense for the ground floor to be floor zero. Kind of like how computer programming indexes always start with 0. But Rythian's is more common sense to me since most people start counting from 1. It's just different conventions.
Imagine a house with 2 basement levels and more than two floor above the ground. Swedish System is like this (from the basement floor and up): -2, -1, 1, 2, 3 etc. And most of the the rest of the world would go: -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 etc.
Are Swedes trying to argue that 0 doesn't exist like it's pre 11th century?
@@RedSntDK well if you change the - to b it works. b2 b1 1 2 3
I don't know what this is like in other countries but here in the USA this is a frequent frustration for me. I most often deal with elevators in hotels, and there is no standard convention for how this is handled. I have seen places with L for lobby as the first floor with a floor two immediately above it, but that effectively admits that the lobby is the same thing as the first floor. Sometimes the first floor is labeled with the number one.
I think I have actually seen a ground floor represented with a G and a lobby with an L at the same time when the lobby is located a floor above the main street entrance. But that place breaks all the rules because it has an extra building attached to one side and on that one the numbering starts one floor above the highest floor from the main building. I don't remember what it is but if the main building were to have the 15th floor as the highest, then the other part of this hotel would start on the 16th floor as the ground floor. I know why they did it, to enable them to have enough room numbers. But it's confusing for a first-timer.
And don't get me started on places where the lobby is on the first floor and the G takes you down to an underground garage. You have to know the layout of the building and deduce which conventions they are using before you know what button will take you where.
My thoughts exactly.
You forgot all about the mezzanine level
Fun fact there isn't a standard in sweden either.
Sometimes its BV (bottenvåning "ground flooor") or 1st floor as the bottom floor.
Even the elavators and flooring doesnt match up everytime, you look for a namne at that little billbord at the entrence and say the person you are visiting says is on the third floor and you go up the elevator and hit the button for the third floor but you have gone to far because the elevator starts counting from 0 or BV but the appartments count from 1.
If the building is floating in the ocean is it still a GROUND floor? 😂😂
Look, I know I’m 6 months late but if a building is floating on the ocean it is called a deck. It’s also typically not called a building either.
Classic Rythian
Its the first floor because its the first floor you enter, end of argument
But you enter it on the ground. By your logic everywhere on earth is the first floor..
in a 3 story building, you don't say there's only two floors just because one of them is simultaneously the first floor and the ground floor; it's the same at the top of buildings as well, (top #) floor is also considered the top floor, does that mean there is one less floor in the building because it is labeled as the top floor? No. thus it's the same for the first/ground floor
Interestingly enough, while i understand the whole "ground floor" thing, i've seen buildings where next floor is marked as "2nd", but first floor is still called ground floor.
That's because ground floor is an accurate description. Ground is not a number.
As a american i agree with Rythian the ground floor is the first floor
RYTHIAN 1ST FLOOR SUPREMECY!!!
As an Australian, they are both right depending on the context 😂
Ground, First, Second.
But the Second Story is... the First Floor.
Also Second Floor when a building is only two high, all good.
Ground floor, would be considered the 0th floor. I guess depends on how you want to count it, with treating the ground floor as the 1st floor, means the floor below, i.e. basement becomes the 0th floor, which would be odd. Makes more sense for the ground to be 0, then up 1 2 3 etc, and the basement floors -1 etc
The hospital I work in, which is in Sweden, for some reason has the entrance/ground floor marked as floor 3 in the elevators. The basement is 2 and the normal lifts doesn't even have a button for 1, which I'm guessing is some sort of maintenance floor but I have no idea how and where they access it.
That's where the house elves live, muggles can't see the button for the first floor.
1st floor = ground floor yes. 1 stair = second floor yes, 2 stairs = third floor yes
Rythian is 100% right here
Weirdly, in computer science I prefer it when indices start at 0, but when it comes to floors I think they should start at 1. Probably just because that's the system I grew up with.
Rythian's argument that because the building has 3 floors they must be indexed 1, 2 & 3 immediately made me think, "that's not how arrays work and we're fine with it." :D
Floor is not a word anymore
US hotels usually have a 1 for the lobby but the hotel I was at last week had 1R and G but idk wtf those were since the 1st floor button was the lobby
1R opens a rear door to the elevator. For staff.
It's a bit like calling the day of one's birth the first birthday - that day has the best claim to being your literal birth-day, yet normally it seems like people only count birthdays from when you reach 1 year
But birthdays are anniversaries of your birth, while floors are just floors. This is more akin to centuries, which is why we're in the 21st century and not the 20th. If the ground floor isn't the first floor, then what ordinal number is it?
birthdays are staircases, their first year of life happens before the staircase bday
I want to build a building in the UK that goes G 2 3 4 5 just to annoy British people. Ground floor and First Floor are the same thing.
just england things
I don’t understand why any of this is an argument. In the ground floor-first floor convention, the ‘first floor’ is just the first floor above the ground floor, and the American convention just moved the first floor down to the ground. It’s not that complicated.
I thought all of Europe had the Ground floor, and that it was in the US that they started with the 1st floor. Do Sweden really do it the US way?
No the US does it the Swedish way. :)
A bit odd that Danish have that in common with English, when Swedish and Danish are so similar. Ground floor = Stuen/Stueetage (living room floor), and then first floor, second floor etc.
What's odd then is that if there are basement levels you'd say "first basement level" then "second basement level", which makes sense for those of us that sees ground floor as "0", but in Swedish there's just no "0".
So is outside the first floor???
No it's the ground floor, and you enter a building on the ground floor. Then the first floor is the 1st artificial floor above the ground
Arguing which one is correct is dumb because both systems are used.
Arguing which one is better, though....
I've never heard it anyway other than Rhytians way. All elevators I've ever been in 1st floor is ground floor.
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So what if the house has a basement? Is it now a 4 floor building and the 3rd floor up from the ground is called the 4th floor? Or is the basement the -1st floor?
Uh yes minus? You don't have elevators going into minus for basements?
@@longbow857 So how many floors does that house have? 3? 4? 2?!?
It has four floors but that doesn’t change anything
@@jonasquinn7977 Doesn't it? A house with 4 floors doesn't have a 4th floor?
@@thehighground4446Correct :)
-1 0 1 2
Rythian... we live in Sweden. We literally have the "Ground floor - First floor" system.
Although, to be fair, we don't say floor. We say something akin to "level", so it's like you start at 0 and work yourself up to level 1.
It's like "20th century" vs "1900's". They both refer to the same century, but in a different way.
I know this is all just silly overblown differences in convention, but I do think the Rythian/US way of doing it makes a little more sense. It lets you point to each story and know which floor it is just by counting from the bottom up. "Lowest set of windows is first, next up is second, then third, then fourth, then fifth... the office is on the fifth floor." With the UK convention you have to subtract 1, which could be confusing on a rough day
But how often is that actually relevant?
@jonasquinn7977 every now and then if you live in a city, but more relevantly it just fits nice and neatly in your head, no extra rule to remember. In the end it's not important though
Rythian is right though.
He is right in the US but not in Europe.
so question for all you folks across the pond. when you go in a "lift" and you look at the buttons, what button brings you to the "ground floor"? is it a button with a "g" or a button with a "1"? cuz in the USA, most "elevators" have a "1" for the bottom/ground floor. therefore making rythian correct lol
I'm in Australia and we have a G for ground floor, UG/B/whatever for base ment, underground/whatever and 1 for first floor above ground.
I'm not across the pond but I'm in south america and is the same the floor that leads to the street is the ground floor and the button usually has a letter or a 0 to designate it. I guess it's also same for them.
Here most buildings elevators number the ground floor 0
G in most buildings butt in hotels and stuff it might be L for lobby
if a house has a second floor
do you say it has only one floor?
conclusion: rythian is right
That’s a pointless argument though. Just because we call the floor on the ground the ground floor doesn’t mean that we deny it’s existence
No, it has two. The ground floor, and the first floor.
@@wynty200 yeah, two floors
Mommy, daddy please stop fighting 🥺
I totally agree with Rythian on this one
Floors are indexed from 0 🤷
Is it for homes? Because I've never heard someone talk about going down to floor zero. My single story house has a first floor and a basement. Not a zero floor and a.basement.
@@NomadSoul76 I guess it depends where you are. It is unusual but I have heard some people call the ground floor of larger buildings the "zeroth floor".
Weird how Rythian calls ground floor the first floor even though nowhere in Europe is it done like that
In Sweden it's done like that.
@@Nienna_ It's not though. It's pure anarchy here. Some people call the ground floor the first floor others call the floor above that the first floor. Sometimes the same person uses both ways at different times. I never know what floor anything is on until I get to the building and can check the layout. I think that people who live in buildings with elevators are more likely to call the floor above the ground floor the first floor cause the elevator uses a 1 for that floor
I never realised that Rythian was so American, tbh.
Kirsty was right til she started claiming the ground floor didn't count as a floor, it's part of a 3 floor building
From Singapore. I'm with Rythian.
Ground floor is 0, basement -1, first floor is 1. It's logical.
If you drive a manual car, is your first gear zero?
I'm struggling to think of places where the first of something is numbered zero. In computer terms zero is sometimes used to represent the first thing in a sequence, and in 24 hour time the first hour after midnight is represented with a zero. But in most other things the first thing in a sequence is numbered one.
So is the other way of the first floor you enter being the first floor. There's an argument for both sides, and neither is inherently wrong.
@@NomadSoul76the starting gear in a car is the neutral gear. Kind of like the ground floor. You can then go into reverse/basement or first gear/first floor
But then if I subdivide…I have to divide by zero, which is impossible?!?!? 😂
@@mungobaggins8197 You might have to use something else American can't get their heads around.. decimals; 0.1, 0.2, 0.3 etc😱
So when is the wedding?
When I was young and naive I used to think that the ground floor should really be the first floor but now I have seen the error of my ways and it’s much more sensible for the first floor to be above the ground floor.
I will tolerate this IFF the ground floor is renamed the 0th floor.
I would tolerate this if the "ground floor" is half underground because the building is built on a hill, thus making it a kind of basement.
@@falseprofit9801 Ive seen basements labeled zero before and I wish I hadnt
@@falseprofit9801 It is in elevators
How does Rythian put up with these _whamen_
First floor is the floor above the ground floor. Ground floor is the zeroth floor - you have gone up by zero floors. If the ground floor was the first floor, you would jump straight to -1 from 1 if you went to the basement, which makes no sense.
The basement isn't called as negative oneth floor. It is called the first basement floor.
Ground floor can't be the zeroth floor, because when you enter a building, it is the first floor you experience.
@@heckoff7904 You'll find that in elevators often times floors are numbered like you just said they aren't: -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...
@@heckoff7904 Why can't floor 0 be the first floor? First only announce which orders the floors come in.
@@DanieltransP They aren't saying floor one, now are they? They're saying first floor. But also, 0 can't be the first floor because the floors are counted naturally (just like all real things are counted), and 0 is not a natural number.
@@heckoff7904That's not fact, just convention that you're used to. Yes, it's the first floor you experience on entering, but it can still be denoted by the number 0.
It's also English that makes it sound confusing, it lots of European languages you'd say something like "the 1st level up". I get why Americans switched it around, as it can just be confusing in English. Both conventions make sense in their own way.
All floors must be definable by a number, 0 is the absence of a floor so ground floor must be 1.
For below ground floors start with B1.
I realise this is the same system the Pokemon games use but at least it makes sense.
Multi-storey car parks and hospitals in the UK are notably less fun.
So if we're numbering floors the basement would be -1; right? Then let's go uo a floor. From Rythian's view we have -1 + 1 = 1. From Kirsty's view we have -1 + 1 = 0. I'm in favour of correct Mathematics
But the basement shouldn't be numbered as -1, because that relates counting objects and the number line in a way that isn't true to how numbers work.
When counting the number of books on a shelf, you start with 1 because 0 is the empty/null set, which is always present but unobservable, and so is launched off of before you begin evaluating objects (and in general, the 0th instance of everything can trivially be assumed to be everywhere and unobservable). You're assuming that traveling up and down floors is analogous to traveling along the Real axis, but floors are physical objects that are being counted, so that's not the case. If I ask you how many books you have, and you reply 2, I can't take away 3 leaving you with -1 books, and the same is true of floors.
If you're in favor of correct mathematics, you ought to respect the domains of the functions used to evaluate things.
@@nathanharvey8570 So do you think that the basement should be the first floor, then?
@@TheSurprisePizzaThe basement isn’t one of the floors, just denote it B/B1,B2…
@@nathanharvey8570 Mathematics is more flexible than you are portraying here. You are correct that if you were to list floors it wouldn't make sense to talk about an additive inverse as there is no standard "floor addition" operation (though we could define one if we wanted to); however once you order a set of floors say for example: (basement)
@@TheSurprisePizza Yes. It is "the first basement floor" B1.
Today I learned that rythian agrees with the Americans and is therefore also wrong
Rythian is so wrong and Briony played this perfectly.