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How “Independent” was the Independent State of Croatia?
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- The Independent State of Croatia (NDH) was Croatia during the Second World War. What happened in Croatia during WW2? The Independent State of Croatia (NDH) was established when the German invasion of Yugoslavia was still going on. Led by the Ustaša organization under the leadership of Ante Pavelić. The Ustashas committed many crimes against Serbian and Jewish people. What were the relations between the Croat state and the other Axis powers: Italy and Germany? How “Independent” was the Independent State of Croatia?
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- Picturing G-nocide in the Independent State of Croatia (Jovan Byford).
- Wehrmacht Perceptions of Mass Violence in Croatia, 1941-1942, The Historical Journal, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Dec., 2001), 1015-1038 (Jonathan E. Gumz).
- Hitler's New Disorder. The Second World War in Yugoslavia (Stevan K. Pavlowitch).
- The Independent State of Croatia 1941-45 (Sabrina P. Ramet).
- War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941-1945. Occupation and Collaboration (Jozo Tomasevich).
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Axis Invasion of Yugoslavia:
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Croatia during WW2:
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Slovenia during WW2:
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Slovene Collaboration in WW2:
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Italian Occupation of Yugoslavia:
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@@HistoryHustle Topic Is not but no matter what name have Croatia , with Ustashi on power in Zagreb right name Extetrimantion State of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies.
They were certainly more independent than Serbia and Greece. Less so than Romania and Bulgaria.
Serbia and Greece were occupied countries
@@gumdeo indeed.
@@radomirratkovic9014 So was Croatia according to the verdict of the Allied Nuremberg court in 1946.
@@HistoryHustle Vlatko Macek was the vice-president of the Yugoslav government and called on the Croats to recognize the rule of the Ustas. He gave legitimacy to the Ustasha government.
@@ares8866 The Ustasha also put pre-WW2 Croatian leader Vlatko Macek into Jasenovac concentration camp for 6 months.
The same is said to be true when a country uses the word "Democratic".
The same about - federation 😂
@mikeromadin8744 and then there're "United" and"Union".
North Korea...
Congo...
Re: 3:05: “Only a fraction of the Croats supported the NDH.” You are 100% correct. I have many Croatian relatives and friends. None of them ever supported the NDH. In fact, they despised them.
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Right?! I also had family members that hated the ustasa but also didn't like communism.. There was also a village near where I used to live where in the early 40s the germans came to recruit people forcefully and then later came the partisans also forcefully recruiting the same village people...They didn't have a choice and probably didn't even know who those soldiers were and what they were fighting for
Ne lupetaj!
What are you talking about most of them are proud of it go to any major city go to major corporations all of them have way to many marks. It's like saying most germans were against Nazis
@@nemajabakic4546 major corporations? What are you talking about lol
The "Banovina of Croatia" ( an autonomous region of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia ) was invaded in April 1941 by Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Hungary. The "Independent State of Croatia" was occupied by these three armies until 1943 when Fascist Italy collapsed. Therefore, since it was occupied by foreign armies it was not very independent.
Was liberated by the Axis from Yugoslavia, in their view.
Their officers in the Royal Army surrendered right away.
Germans was welcomed with flowers in Croatia. Is that normal for occupation?
@@burnallempires3595 Some people welcomed them after 20 years of Serbian dictatorship and terror.
@@burnallempires3595 croats in 1918 welcomed serbian army with flowers, in 1941 they welcomed germans, and in 1945 they welcomed partisans with flowers. that is all you need to know about croats. servants of many masters..
@@vilijamkil5937 Unlike the Servian or renamed Serbian people who fought for the Ottoman Turks in the Battle of Nicopolis in 1396 AD against Christian Europe. Right?
My great grandfather was in the NDH army, an officer. He disappeared and was never found after the British handed over NDH troops which were fleeing partizans in Bleiburg, Austria. On the other side of the family my grandfather was recruited by the Germans when they occupied Croatia as an able bodied lad along others from his village and sent to France to train to be in the Luftwaffe. After training he was returned to Croatia only for him to flee and become a partizan himself.. I know he was only 15 when WW2 started. He was among troops that marched into Trieste. They marched for 2 weeks from Bosnia to Italy. He never spoke much abt those years of his life but he told a few stories.. One that stick with me was that all nationalities joined all the sides of the war in Yugoslavia... people lying abt their names, nationalities, age, changing sides just to save their heads.. His village seeing massacres of civilians in the 1940s as well as 1990s...
Germans never "occupied" Croatia, and they certainly did not involuntarily recruit Croats. They did open a possibility for joining various legionary units that were under German command, but this was on a voluntary basis.
@@CirKhan You need to work on your reading comprehension, he never said that his grandfather was involuntarily recruited by the Germans. He implied that the people aligned themselves with the forces, which gave them the best chances of surviving the war.
@@YourD3estinY I see. So volunteering for service in the foreign military, one that is waging a total war is somehow supposed to give you a better chances of survival then serving your own nations military (puppet or not) engaged in comparatively low level counter -partisan warfare, or just accepting to be drafted as a forced laburer. Not a pleasant experience for sure, but it beat getting sent to Stalingrad or even Balkan front.
Whomever joined German led legionary units did so willingly. They *might* expected to be better supplied and led then the NDH units were, but it came with a price tag many paid for such opportunism, nevermind that most of them were genuine Nazis.
@@CirKhan From my knowledge most of the Croats weren't ever sent to the eastern front, as Ante Pavelic was strongly opposed to it. But he eventually agreed to limited participation of Croatian forces on the eastern front. Similar with the Bosniak SS division Handschar. They were recruited, believing that they'd be stationed within Bosnia. Moral quickly dropped, when they realized that this wasn't the case and they turned on their German superiors. But also they were stationed in France, arguably safer than Yugoslavia at that time.
Edit: There were surely lots of people that were actual Nazis and joined the Germans for ideological reasons. The Croatian fighter ace Mato Dukovac is probably the best known Croat to have volunteered for exactly this reason. But he also defected to the Soviet Union in 1944, thus ensuring his survival.
@@CirKhan ofcourse they did. German army was stationed in Croatia. But sure, let me know more about my grandfathers life
Hopefully Serb Nationalists won't take this out of context.
Yes, or Croatian nationalists going all denialist.
@@HistoryHustleHi, can you please make a video about Operation Storm?
Man who made video is Serbian , what do you think then?😂
a sto mislis sto je ovo govno od stefana negoli cetnicko kopile
Very interesting 👍 Thanks a LOT for the history lesson, Stefan !
Greets from Grun', TW.
@@tonnywildweasel8138 dank. Goed weekend. Groeten uit Bogotá 🇨🇴
@@HistoryHustle : Thanks, jij ook. En veel plezier in Bogotá !
Greetings Stefan. Thanks for another interesting upload. Each week I learn something new. Regards from Dubrovnik. Zoltán.
Thanks!
Are you of Hungarian origin, Zoltán?
@@balak1 igen. De Újvidéken születtem
Great video. I am from Dalmatia, so my family on both sides has no connection with the Ustaše. When Italy capitulated, they joined the Partisans. My father was a child when the Italians occupied our town of Šibenik and he told us that even though the Italians imprisoned people and forced them to speak Italian and not Croatian, the ordinary soldiers were kind to the people. He had a lot of good memories and respect for soldiers who were only recruited into the Italian army and they just wanted to return to their families in Italy
Very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing.
Italians behaved almost like US army towards civilians
Actually pretty interesting video. As a Croat i was always wondering for this.
Thanks Luke!
No problem!@@HistoryHustle
nisi ti hrvat ako moras razmisljati o srpskim lazima
Stefan is a Slav by now
@@mirzetsalihovic1 lol.
Josip Broz Tito was himself a Croatian.
Half I believe.
@@HistoryHustle He was a moderate communist dictator.
@@HistoryHustleHalf Croatian, half Slovenian.
@@67nairb lol, no he wasn't.
@@JudasBenPesach Do you mean that he wasn;t half Croatian, Half Slovenian or that he wasn't a moderate Communist dictator?
one of the best history channels on CZcams. I am so happy to have found you!
Great to read. Thanks!
My granddad from my fathers side was a captain on a convoy ship in service to the Royal Yugoslav navy in exile based in New York. He was sailing from Halifax and New York to Great Britain, accounts of men lost at sea and evading U boats are written in his captains diary. My other granddad from my mothers side was fighting for NDH and later emigrated to Germany as worker until 70's. Through him I am related to his cousin Vitez Rafael Boban commander of the black legion. Weird position to be in. Interestingly the one who was serving for allies was later imprisoned and tortured by Serb forces in 90's, dying few years later.
Thanks for sharing.
Een ingewikkelde materie weer heel duidelijk uitgelegd. Dank je wel Stephan!
Dank!
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Always love the on location episodes 💙
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What an excellent report. Thank you!
Is there any basis to the report that conflicts in the Yugoslavian states delayed Barbarosa just long enough to cause the Germans to fall short of their goal of defeating Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad before the winter set it.. or is this a fantasy?
IMHO there is one basis, if austrian painter would be more pragmatic and less concentrated on idealogy, as well western allies wouldn't send lend-lease to the soviets - then most probably the germans would win the war against soviets
@@mikeromadin8744 thank you
TIK History made a good video on this.
@@Larkinchancemy granddad (by the way the soviet army colonel) and granny always said - if the germans would come as liberators from red scum they would win the war, perhaps they came as invaders and treat locals as shite.
It would be nice to have some Croatian sources when talking about Croatia, just for comparison with Jovan,Sabrina etc....
@@domagojzunic7809 please explain.
I love your NDH videos. Not only do I learn about my homeland, but also others learn that we are not all Ustashas. Sadly, there are some Ustashas left.
Thanks for your reply.
Sadly, lot's of communist left.
@@tomislavbanic775 the Ustaše killed communists you liar.
Ustashe were anti Yugoslavia separation party.
Now when the indenpendance is achieved there is no need for them.
@@serdradion4010 yeah but there are a few people that actually supported their atrocities back in the 40s
Another professional and entertaining video Stef
Many thanks.
There leader was help by the church to escape for argentina
Hope to cover more about that in the future.
@@HistoryHustleAlso good chunk of NDH government and generals were Serbs...
@@HistoryHustle also NDH government along with serbs had jews..NDH originally was never against jews but germans forced their laws into croatia for obvious reasons. if NDH said "no" to Germans or Italians it would be crushed in a matter of days.
@@robrob9050 It is kinda funny to think that they had some form of Quotas (like many left-of-center politicians are advocating) for different minorities in the government, in an effort to pacify them. But they weren't called Serbs, they were considered to be orthodox Croatians (i.e. members of the Croatian Orthodox Church).
@@lordhumungus1386 I heard that Pavelic few days before running for his life to Austria cancelled so called racial laws against Jews, Serbs, Roma. An evil personality.
Neither Croatian, nor Indipendent nor a State. And I'm Croatian
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustle I's say the same as the original poster, as:
- less than 50% of the original 1941. population of the territory (before the massacres) were Croatian catholics (the ones that deem themselves Croatian, since the muslim population does not consider themselves Croatian but was pushed into that feeling by the Ustasha)
- the majority of the leaders, including Pavelić, were of Croatian nationality, but a great number of them weren't born in Croatia but in Bosnia and Herzegovina (became part of AU fully by annexation in 1908. but not part of Croatia and Slavonia, even governed by Austria while Croatia was governed by Hungary)
- given up some of the most valuable lands in Dalmatia to the Italians, including all the main islands in Dalmatia and the major cities of Split and Sibenik (along Zadar that was Italian previously)
- not independent at all, had to give up it's railroads, it's mining, it's labor force, it's agricultural products to Germany. Large numbers of laborers were shipped to Germany without consent.
- not independent in dealing with minorities: the anti Jewish laws were primarily due to the desire to appease the Germans. Also the aforementioned Ustasha leaders, previously penniless ragtag wannabe fascist revolutionaries already in April evicted the well to be educated Jews from their homes in Zagreb and took them for themselves. The whole area of north Zagreb was taken and became a "party member only" zone, with armed forces guarding them from everyone else.
- not even independent in its own massacre policies towards the Serbs (nothing to do with Germans) as both the Germans and the Italians stopped them on numerous occasions, not really due to mercy but as you said the massacrtes lead to larger revolts which finally evolved into the best organised partisan resistance movement in Europe
- never established control on it's territory, as from the start it couldn't achieve it. When they finally reached the Drina (border with Serbia) already other parts succumbed to revolt.
- already in 1942. large swats of it's territory controlled by either Partisans or Chetniks or other local groups that didn't allow Ustasha troops or regime to move in and govern (one example is Husein (Huska) Miljković, check his actions out, tells you a HEAP about what was important to people).
- sent troops to fight USSR but not under Croatian command (like Romanians, Italians or Hungarians). Those "volunteers" were under direct Wermacht command, and got deleted in Stalingrad itself along the Germans. Another unit was under Italian command, also got deleted Uranus operations vs the Italians.
- in 1943. the Partisans and the Germans had negotiations, and these were held in Zagreb. Those were not negotiations between Ustasha and Partisans, goes to tell how much Ustashas had independence...
Thus: neither Croatian, nor Independent nor a State.
And to add: the king was Italian and never set foot on Croatian soil (tbh he didn't specifically due to him not in accord with the ITALIAN policy towards Croatia!!!), there were no elections whatsoever, the Sabor (parliament) was dismissed, the one major political party HSS was shunned aside, the Ustasha party never had any following in Croatia, even their numbers prior to April '41. were in the hundreds (with the population of over 5 million in NDH)... and so on an on
@@HistoryHustle easy. ever tried Google? than try to put the name of Vladko Macek than think twice about it.
Ustash
Excellent work. Thank you. BZ
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Another great documentary! Thanks so much!
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Interesting!
Thanks!
Ive read about this recently in a book, interesting stuff 👍🏻
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Well done! My opinion is that independence was not the goal of Croatian nationalists, but an ethnically pure "country" according to a directive from the Vatican and Germany.
source : trust me bro
The Vatican didn't even recognise the Independent State of Croatia during WW2.
@@user-pc2jp2yr3c But the Vatican was involved in rescuing many Nazis, Ustashe and other collaborateurs.
Ofc, Vatikan i Vastaše against srpska nejač i živalj.
A note on killings in the aftermath of WWII. Reason why British handed over Croatian (but also various other collaborationist troops from Yugoslavia) back to Yugoslav National Liberation Army (not really "partisans" any more, but official state army, recognized by allies as such), was that they in fear of bein held up for crimes they committed during the war continued fighting for days on after the war was ofitially over. This put them outside of protection of Geneva convention as illegal combatants, and British were pissed off that fighting continued instead of stopped when it should.
Thing is, while for duration of the war there were two distinct armed formations in NDH-Ustase, a political paramilitary force modelled on SS, and Domobrani, a official armed forces of NDH, in Movember of 1944. these two were merged. While this was done on the initiative of Germans, who wanted to put more strict control on Domobranstvo which was in a state of chronic disarray, of negligible combat power, and was considered as "renewable depot" for the partisans due to their habit of surrendering arms and ammunition in order to save their lives if pressured, it was enthusiastically supported by the Ustase themselves, since this way they could share their responsibility in crimes with the rest of the formal Domobrani forces. No wonder then that by the 1945. National Liberation Army was not in forgiving mood, as the line between Ustase and Domobrane was by this point erased, and it was widely viewed that whomever wanted to switch sides, and hadn't had blood on his hands, already had ample time to do so, hence that only Ustase and hardliners remained fighting even after the war was over due to their implicit guilt.
Thanks for sharing your insights on this.
Still the mass killings of POWs ( including civilians) without a trial of any kind after V.E were illegal.
The Yugoslav communist party kept the killings secret for 45 years. Any witnesses that spoke about it were killed, including a Slovenian pregnant woman who witnessed the mass murders and made the mistake of talking about what she saw.
5:33 It needed to be said. Thanks and well done!
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Very informative, thank you! A small detail: It's Jesenovac, not Jesenovać. So, it is pronounced Jesenova-ts, not Jesenova-tsh.
Thanks for replying.
Great video, could not agree more.
Even if we skip the deconstructing of that entity as neither independent, nor Croatian or even a state, it was a very feeble ally for the axis. The Germans wanted the region stabilized, but in the end had to bring more troops to fight a massive uprising. Interesting how revisionists never see what a massive failure that was from all aspects. Country ran by terrorists. Greatest tragedy and shame in croatian history.
Can you support your "facts" with sources, number, etc?
I watched a short video recently about the "Poglavnik" visiting the important Croatian town of Banja Luka during WW2. These days Banja Luka is the Serbian capital of the Rep.of Srpska, the Serb part of Bosnia. No one talks about what happened to the Croatian population of Banja Luka or were those Serbs greeting Pavelic at Banja Luka in WW2?
It was not parade for them conquering Eastern Bosnia,Central Serbia and Montenegro but the other parts of the country were conwuered thanx to betrayal
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustleI've tried to write what do I know about continuance of the April war ...unfortunately the all comment get lost .The war never stopped in occupied Serbia and Independent Stare at Croatia ( including Bosnia and Herzegovina) ...The first action that saw the Germans assisting Croats and local Muslim militia / wild ustashi was in early May in the area of Sanski most ...( early May 1941. according to the book " Istorija Jugoslavije" ) .The Germans were assisting with artillery and most possible with infantry .In western Serbia and civilians and Yugoslav army were defending ...in Macedonia the Germans moved so fast after destroying the main part of the Yugoslav army that great number of the soldiers went into the mountains and was there hunted later by Bulgarians and Yugoslav soldiers did not even know that the armistice has been signed .In Albania Montenegrins were chasing Italian invaders .In eastern Bosnia the fight between Muslim Bosniaks and Serbs already started with Serbs seeing the new authority ( ISC) for what it was and were making hard for Germans to occupy the region .I'm pretty sure that the occupiers were in a hurry and were celebrating a bit too early and those remarks of German officers were not based on the facts .Yes it was parade entering Zagreb but was it parade entering Uzice? The Royal Italian Army would be stopped back in 1941. in middle Dalmatia if it was not for a Croat officer inside the Yugoslav army being the "sleeper" and when command of "Dinara division" was assembled in front of the Sinj ( on the field) the rogue kutenant Luetic killed the whole command .Every single commanding officer of that division has been killed by the "sleeper" terrorist cell inside the division .Some sergeant managed to kill Luetic and after that division started internal fight and the soldiers ran home .The ustasha organisation had its own terrorist cells inside the Royal Yugoslav Army and Navy and police,gendarmes and all over the Kingdom of Yugoslavia When April war happened those terrorists were busy killing their colleagues that were still loyal to the King and country and to their own oath ...So from there it went on a personal level and that war never stopped .
Knowing the history and those facts not only saved my life during 1990 s but I've also managed to stop the " rogue business" and most likely saved the life of my old man who was the last available medic in the blockaded port ...It's ugly business ...those wars and humans are very persuasive when it comes to the benefits that betrayal sometimes brings especially those military types ....My respects to major H. who defected in 1991. but refused to carry on the order to kill my old man ...by doing so I could assure him that he has saved a many ...and I really mean many human life ( after all his and his make descendants ,brothers,cousins etc,) as our unwritten Law told us to do ..Sooo happy days everyone 👍😎
Love the green graffiti. @ Another great video, thank you.
Thanks for watching.
When Nazis are horrified by your crimes.
Made a video on that.
Well, Germans aren't a monolith. I'm pretty sure most of the Germans stationed in the NDH didn't even know about the details of the cruel behaviour of their fellow countrymen on the eastern front. So the implication, that the people who were committing attrocities against Jews and Roma, were the same people that were horrified by the Ustashe, is intellectually dishonest.
I love watching your videos, especialy because we don't learn much about Ustashe at school...unfortunately...
Thanks. Glad you appreciate it.
Another wonderful historical coverage episode about Croatia 🇭🇷 popped independent during WW2 under Nazism -fascism occupation of previous Yugoslavia. Ustasa racism movement organized and administered independent Croatia ...thank you an excellent (history Hustle) channel .introduced by Sir Stefan 🙏.
Many thanks as always for your reply.
Some unuasual facts: The Ustasha organisation had Catholics, muslims, Orthodox in its WW2 government. The head of the boxing team of the Independent State of Croatia was an African American Jimmy Lyggett.
Sir Stefan?0f Niskabanja
Could you make a video on the Christmas uprising? Your other videos about Montenegro were great, it's rare for historians on CZcams to pay attention to Montenegro, especially in the amount of detail you show.
Perhaps in the future 👍
there was an extermination camp in Croatia called Jasenovac; some people called it the Auschwitz of the Balkans. If a Serbian, Jew, or Gypsy didn't convert to Catholicism, a religion that most Croatians were, they would be gassed at Jasanovac. Ante Pavelic was, until the 1990's called the "Butcher of the Balkans." Slobodan Milosevic would earn that title 50 years later as leader of Yugoslavia and later president of Serbia.
Covered that in another video. Go see it.
Can you explain why there were muslim members of the Ustasha and why 17,000 Royalist Serbs fought for the Ustasha organisation during WW2.
@@user-pc2jp2yr3c Maybe because the Muslims shared the Ustasha's hatred for the Jews. As for17,000 Serbs who fought for the Ustasha I really can't tell you except that maybe both the Chetniks and Ustasha had a common hatred for Tito's communist partisans.
@@67nairb Can you explain why the Ustasha leader Ante Pavelic married a half Jewish wife while the other Ustasha co-founder Colonel Slavko Kvaternik married a Jewish wife, Olga Frank, ( although as I understand it, her Jewish family had converted to Christianity in the 19th century).
The fact of the matter was the Ustasha organisation was forced to accept German race laws, the Nuremberg Laws (from 1935), after the invasion and occupation. This happened in every European country that Nazi Germany invaded.
@@67nairb My point was that your statement was incorrect since Orthodox Serbs worked for the Ustasha organisation in WW2 and they did not have to convert. The Ustahsa even set up a state Orthodox church the Croatian Orthodox church which was Croatia's only state church as the Roman Catholic Church is not a state church as its head is the Pope in Rome.
Probably just about as independent as Belarus today LOL or, Hawaii in the 1800s
keep the discurse please - the sunny potatostan either eblarus-bulbareich 😂
See video to find out.
Belarus regularly goes against Russia and there are no reprecussions as opposed to when EU states go against immigration from Africa and ME
And you think that modern day Germany is a independent states and not a state created by the allies? Funny its not a puppet state when the allies do it.
I heard a lot of stories how most notorious ustasha and cetnicks use to drink together after the WWII in Argentina 😂
@@mikeromadin8744 interesting. Feel free to share any sources on this.
@@HistoryHustle as well on my "channel" there are 3 videos with uncle Volodia from XV Cossack "von Pannwitz" regiment in SS who despite being allied with ustashas shoot them in Slavonia in 1944 as a rabid dogs.
Former Prime Minster of Yugoslavia Milan Stojadinović met with Ante Pavelic a number of times in Argentina in 1956.
Lower ranking ones were drinking together even during war. Photos can be found on Internet.
Thank you for offering an historian’s opinion of Croatia. The best way to develop an understanding of this volatile region and its inhabitants is by reading multiple historian’s perspectives and speaking to eyewitnesses, if possible. My dear Croatian friends, who would be nearly 100 years old, witnessed some of the most barbaric actions during WW2. Their educated parents were detained and murdered. Their home was seized and became the French consulate in Zagreb. Generational hatred, going back 800 years, existed between groups. The polarization of the Left and Right , Orthodox and Catholic aggravated an already explosive situation. Right-wing Croats would never accept the formation of Yugoslavia, resulting in their purges. Serbs, being the majority,prevailed. Sophisticated , yet hateful cultures were forced to ‘unite’ under Tito’s umbrella. My few words here cannot do justice to the complexities of this region and its very unique people.
Don't forget the meddling by the British & Italians ( Treaty of London 1915) and the French which helped create the conditions for all the troubles in the region from 1918 to 1995.
"These on"site" history lessons"..."alongside" the "charts.."maps.."etc".. .."really help to " illustrate" the " overall subject" matter"..."Instructor"!!
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Croatia happens to be next door to the German state of Austria, so in the 18th century travellers wishing to get to Germany from the south often passed through Croatia. As they approached Austria they began asking people whether they spoke German, and often got the reply "we are Croats." This was corrupted by the travelers into "We are Krouts". and that is how the Germans acquired their slang nickname of Krouts. Another nickname they were given in WW1 was Huns. Austria also happens to be adjacent to Hungary. In the middle ages the Huns advanced through Europe till they were defeated in Hungary, but not before they had left their mark on the culture. As Austro-Hungary was a single kingdom ruled by a German emperor, the Germans became known as Huns. WW1 started when Austro-Hungary invaded the neighbouring state of Serbia.
If you have a look at a map Croatia borders Slovenia and not Austria directly.
Dalmatians are not coroations...
I see.
I’d love to see Count Dankula do a Mad Lads/Absolutely Interesting video on the Croatian Ustashe because those were some of the nastiest bastards whom collaborated with Nazi Germany.
Even Germans detested them. Sick bastards!
They were nasty, but most of the "detailed descriptions" of massacres were propaganda war crime snuff fables made post war, mostly by Serb ultra nationalists .
The Ustasha employed 17,000 Royalist Serbs during WW2, for example, have a look at the WW2 photo of Serbian Royalist Chetnik commander Uroš Drenović drinking and laughing with the Ustasha and Croatian Home Guard, in Bosnia , in 1943.
Chetnics were worse!!!
How do you know.May be you grandad was friend of ustashas Black legion.Nazi friend sent them all( very handsome boys,not like Chetniks and ugly as Nazis)to the Eastern front line in terrible peril.Nobody returned.
Croatia is a strange country... people in Croatia knew that Ustasha was not that popular due to their extremism and did not even want to vote for it, yet somehow their greater hatred against the Serbs enabled them to adopt many fanatic Ustasha symbols later on...
What are you talking about?
This is the most correct comment here. Croats never woted for Ustashe (Croatian party of law)-less than few percente on the elections, they were expelled from Kingdom of Yugoslavia (couple of hundreds of them), financed and trained by Mussolinis government in (terorist) camps in Italy, elected as second choice by Germans to govern so called “Independent Croatia “ after occupation of Yugoslavia, huge majority of ustashe weren’t ever residents of Croatia proper (most were Croats from neighbouring Bosnia and Herzegovina), but despite everything mentioned on the other hand Croats embraced Nazzi customs and insignias later on and are currently the most “nazi proud” countrie in the world
@@smrad1985 Nazi= National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP).
So more Serbian propaganda?
No the ustasha used the old croatian symbols and now the flag with the first white square on the flag is illegal even though it is the original croatian flag
@@rodneydelboy6910 Is it illegal or is it just frowned upon. The first white square chequerboard is the old Croatian coat of arms under the Habsburgs, so its historical and was not invented by the Ustasha organisation or used as an organisation emblem. Instead, the letter U with a flaming grenade on top is the old Ustasha symbol which is banned.
One of the important factors to consider is that Tito re-wrote the history books and created a unified (not by choice) Balkans.
We'll never know how many Mihailovic Chetnik war crimes were committed by Ustace or Partisans, because the Partisans (Tito) had a vested interest in attributing everything evil to Mihailovic as a way to carpet sweet and focus on unifying the individual Balkan states.
Mihailovic was executed after losing favour. He was also offered assylum from the UK, who supported his cause (The largest civilian uprising in human history). Mihailovic elected to stay and face the music, and he was executed for it by his political opponent. Seems fair.
The history books were written by Tito, so take them with a grain of salt.
Unlikely the UK would have offered Asylum to Mihailovic if he was as evil as Tito and his government appointed historians continued to paint him as.
Serbs and Croats will love this because.....
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@@HistoryHustle This topic brings this two people togheter in such sweet way.
Well, the fact that NDH government operated after the fall of the third Reich actually proves it was an independent state.
No it doesn't.
I what way did it operate after the fall? It lost complete control over the territories.
Short answer, not very
Croats were officially one of 3 founders of the Kingdom of SCS-Serbs, Croats and Slovenes.
Therefore they had right of leaving the country on demand.
Croats were treated in K SCS in two opposite ways: 1 as one of founding Slavic nations of the Balkans South ; 2 defeated side in the Great war.
In addition they were insulted as Catholics not being Orthodox, Serbs that in some ancient past converted to Croats.
Aside that same surnames confirmed such suspicion.
They were always part of the Catholic unions, never ruled by the ruler of some other religion.
They worked their way out of the joint state with the Serbia with the west even British oriented HSS-CPP party.
Ustashe party was unpachient , supported by the Axis, and they wanted to separate now.
They were territorially over prioritised by the neighboring Axis states Italy and Hungary, but rewarded by both Vrbas and part of Drina Banovina- ex Bosnia Vilayet .
Same separation was done later by the ex Communist Party of Croatia and Socialist Croatia in the post Tito's Yugoslavia.
Our surnames are completely different from serbian, also our genetics..look it up or just see for yourself in person..We're not the same people nor a country, for a reason
@@richard_from_england333
Good luck sailing the ship Croatia captain.
By the way, how comes sex industry is illegal in both Croatia and Serbia, but legal in both Germany and Austria ?
It's not Croats that were founders. It's the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs that asked for unification with Kingdom of Serbia and Montenegro. That means that the Serbs where one of the founders of State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, and therfore, thay had the right of leaving the country on demand.
@@ivancertic5197
3 nations were the founders of the particular state, and they all had equall rights.
Each should have had the right of separation , if not denied by the superior law of the monarch.
It was therefore the struggle between the separatist nations and the monarch.
Territorial division comes secondary to that.
Serbs being on the both sides of the agreement had different rights in both parts of the new state.
That is the basis why the R Srpska/BIH is in ethnical way success of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs.
@@serdradion4010 Same unfortunately couldn't be said for R. Serbian Krajina.
More independent than it is today.
Read a book please.
@@HistoryHustlehe is telling the truth, if you lived here you would understand, even our ancestors tell as in the time of NDH was more freedom than now
Rubbish. As a Croatian, I find this extremely stupid.
The Independent state of Croatia was as independent as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic. 😉
Lol.
Wait isnt that just the flag of Braboland
HAHA actually I was just talking about the thumbnail, but the flag in the video even has roodwitblauw
lol
You sound like partisans were not Croatians and you conveniently left it that those who were pushed back by the British were largely Ustasha and not innocent Croatian people You are quite a bit biased.
Please explain.
👍
Thanks.
Hmm i dont know Stefan
@@Trontotario ?
Q: why is Croatia 🇭🇷, and lesser extent Bosnia 🇧🇦, tainted with Fascism cause they had a Nazi puppet regime but Serbia 🇷🇸 isn’t even though they had a similar regime under Milan Nedic 🇷🇸? 🤔
Interesting question. There is a difference. Where the NDH leaders had freedom of internal policies, the Serbian collaborators didn't have that. They were more puppets than the NDH leaders. More on Serbian collaboration, please check this video:
czcams.com/video/utoEQ2NqI_s/video.html&pp=ygUVU2VyYmlhbiBjb2xsYWJvcmF0aW9u
But the Serbian Nazi puppet regime was essentially a Nazi installed Zbor (Serbo-Yugoslav Fascist) government.
Same way the Nazi puppet regime in Croatia was a Ustashe government.
Thoughts? 🤔
Just like Slovakia, not really independent
True.
Few facts to note:
1. Maček was took from prison and executed by partizans after the war, for cooperation with enemy,
2. Pavelić's doctor was a Serb, Budisavljević (his wife Diana did a massive rescue operation of Serbian children from concentration camps with help from many Croatian citizens, it would be nice to make a video about it, Schindler was an amateur compared to her),
3. In Zagreb during war was a functioning Jewish municipality, that sent help to Jewishs in camps.
4. Camps in Croatia were mixed, some even sent away prisoners that were ille so that they get better or to die at their homes.
aj ne seri
Vlatko Macek escaped to the USA after WW2.
Why are you lying? You should be ashamed of yourself.
liar unscrupulous liar.
@@user-pc2jp2yr3c Imaš pravo, moja greška, streljali su nekog drugog, samo mi ime izmiče.
The moral of the story is be careful what you wish for because you can't take it back later
Yeah.
They gave the dalmatian coast to the italians which was never majority italian exept the city of Zadar which was colonised and the remaining croats asimilated so they were a traitor state but the partisans were no better. Most of the people in Dalmatia joined the partisans to fight the italians and after the war alot of them were killed because of their political opinions.
Harsh times.
Who are You?
The History Hustler.
ndh serb etnic land srem 1945 is srem west is croitia in 2024 est in serbia zemen city serbia in ndh 70 kilometrs in belgrade
Enough to decide who will live and who will be slaughtered, and they carried it out with great dedication, and we Serbs are still suffering the consequences of the wrong political decisions of our leadership.😢
The countries that fared the best were those who stuck out their butts and created one nation-state with a small population, but even that was a double-edged sword and they cannot withstand globalization.😂😂😂
About 17,000 Royalist Serbs fought for the Ustasha organisation during WW2 against the communist led Yugoslav Partisans. These Serbs even had signed contracts.
@@user-pc2jp2yr3c I don't know what to say because history is the most difficult to prove when you are on the side of the defeated forces, and in Yugoslavia only the Draza movement lost while the Ustasha waited for the nineties and managed to With allies from ww2
@@user-pc2jp2yr3c17000 out of population of almost 2 milion Serbs in NDH was almost half percent. Hardly you can consider this as a sign of general support amongst the Serbs for genocide of them. You can always find half of percent of sacred, opportunistic and trettorous people in every nation.
@@ivancertic5197 The Yugoslav population census exists for Croatia for 1931 & 1948 and can be read online, so there wasn't 2 million Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia before WW2.
The fact remains that a number of Serbs were happy to fight for Ante Pavelic and the Ustasha organisation during WW2.
@@user-pc2jp2yr3c 😊 Shure. And how many Serbs then lived NDH during the WWII?
"How 'independent' was the Independent State of Croatia"? Just jump to 9:56 min. to get a spoiler.
Obrigado, Stefan! 👽 🍀 🇧🇷
The one that realy counts is 5:33
@@ivancertic5197 Sadly true. Thank you!
Croatia was more independent than Belarus today 💀
Please watch the video.
They were a Croatian first party, not some evil entity
There acts were evil.
Maybe you could do a documentary about the ustasche movement! Why and when it comes to existance? What was the political stance in the First Yugoslavia that created conditions for the establishment of Ustache movement?
Sounds like an interesting idea.
@@HistoryHustle and very useful to fully understand all the happenings in the WW2. Advise you to fact check how many croatian scientists, politicians, intelectuals and civilians were killed and how they were killed from 1918.e to 1941.e (including Bjelovar massacre on 06. and 07. of April 1941.)
The Dutch shit, this is 5 video about Croats during second World war....
A o Srbima nikad ništa
Vidiš da smo mu dragi ...
@@thejosh3855 očito je gad od njih sponzoriran, treba ga prijaviti čak našoj policiji možda je još u RH
you're displaying some of that Serbian vibe to the author :)
@@GameWatcher545 there is not necessary because majority who is commented about us Croats are the Serbs, commited genocide in Srebrenica and around Croatia and Bosnia
It wasn't. End of discussion.
Ok.