Single Point of Failure: The (Fictional) Day Google Forgot To Check Passwords

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  • tomscott.com - @tomscott - I spin a (fictional) tale of the day that Google accidentally opened everything. Performed at GeekyConf, with thanks to Betsy Weber and Natalie Downe on camera.

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  • @ColeRees
    @ColeRees Před 5 lety +11506

    “Facebook became the most trusted site” boy did that one age beautifully

    • @c3po_bby796
      @c3po_bby796 Před 4 lety +74

      definitely

    • @theajayyy
      @theajayyy Před 4 lety +592

      They've never been seen as a trusted site. That's the joke

    • @vedvod
      @vedvod Před 4 lety +37

      I see your point, but that must have been partially untrue for people to be highly surprised by the leak

    • @theajayyy
      @theajayyy Před 4 lety +114

      @@vedvod have you seen Zuckerberg's quote about people being stupid giving him their personal data? Data leaks are the least of their problems.

    • @maruftim
      @maruftim Před 4 lety +6

      That's funniest joke I laughed at hahahah

  • @thestateofalaska
    @thestateofalaska Před 8 lety +9677

    "Everyone has that one single point of failure"
    Like that semicolon on line 463

    • @dreadwing93
      @dreadwing93 Před 8 lety +430

      **shudders**

    • @hecko-yes
      @hecko-yes Před 8 lety +35

      Can't remember.

    • @brucebaker810
      @brucebaker810 Před 8 lety +168

      +ToCzegoSzukasz But if the semi colon weren't there...you WOULD remember. Ooooooohh...scaaaaaary.

    • @ShiftyMcGoggles
      @ShiftyMcGoggles Před 8 lety +104

      +ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ or the Greek question-mark on line 6.

    • @LoganDark4357
      @LoganDark4357 Před 8 lety +169

      +Coty0010 When you accidently tapped the Caps Lock key instead of A on line 2 and didn't notice it until you were done making that 53-line rewrite.

  • @Ken.-
    @Ken.- Před 7 lety +9404

    "Google's Trusted Five"
    Marvel is already buying the rights.

    • @YonatanAvhar
      @YonatanAvhar Před 4 lety +116

      *Avengers theme intensifies*

    • @jamiee7367
      @jamiee7367 Před 4 lety +89

      *Kazoo Avengers theme intensifies*

    • @snoopyguy21
      @snoopyguy21 Před 4 lety +29

      Too late. Disney already did and claimed copyright.

    • @lalalalexie
      @lalalalexie Před 4 lety +3

      Hey Ken M get back to us soon buddy

    • @ryan1696
      @ryan1696 Před 4 lety +17

      @@snoopyguy21 Disney owns Marvel

  • @Stratelier
    @Stratelier Před 4 lety +1000

    "Forgot" is such an innocent, optimistic term ... like saying you "forgot" to lock the door on your way out, when what you did was _remove the door from its hinges._

  • @mika2666
    @mika2666 Před 8 lety +4156

    *reads the video is fictional*
    *halfway through thinks its not*
    *flips shit inside his head*
    *thinks again*
    *realises that it's fictional*

    • @brucebaker810
      @brucebaker810 Před 8 lety +83

      +Mikat Tech at Google pushes his chair back. Goes to play foosball, having averted yet another Customer Realization Cascade.

    • @theowletblog
      @theowletblog Před 6 lety +38

      Mikat same here. Got half way through and went to download a backup of my blog 😁

    • @adamschlinker972
      @adamschlinker972 Před 5 lety +3

      Yup. Hahah.

    • @Chris_Cross
      @Chris_Cross Před 5 lety +1

      So it didn't actually happen?

    • @lucifer2b666
      @lucifer2b666 Před 4 lety +2

      @@Chris_Cross Is this real or not?

  • @Rycluse
    @Rycluse Před 3 lety +1541

    The mundanity of Tom's sci-fi is always what I find most gripping. Like with the Earworm story, people ultimately just want to get back to their lives.

    • @ChrisPoindexter98
      @ChrisPoindexter98 Před rokem +46

      It's incredible, how it's intense enough to warrant concern, yet generally turns out neutral or positive in its consequences and seems...just barely plausible. Granted, his "Ganymede 2030" talk and the "copyrighted memory/personality" conceptuals he did are a touch hard to set in stone or conceivably believe can happen, but they're not *that* implausible, and this one is strangely realistic.

  • @MegaChickenfish
    @MegaChickenfish Před 4 lety +3434

    Me: Well it's not like this fictional scenario has e-
    Tom Scott: *It already happened with Dropbox.*

    • @talongreenlee7704
      @talongreenlee7704 Před 4 lety +64

      It’ll happen again if quantum computers ever happen

    • @Luk3Stein
      @Luk3Stein Před 4 lety +18

      @@talongreenlee7704 Elaborate?

    • @talongreenlee7704
      @talongreenlee7704 Před 4 lety +192

      Shubham Pawar all computer security is based on how hard it is to guess really really big numbers and quantum computers are really really good at doing just that. A powerful enough quantum computer can break any encryption almost instantly.

    • @silience4095
      @silience4095 Před 4 lety +133

      @@talongreenlee7704 Which is why quantum cryptography is being developed.

    • @talongreenlee7704
      @talongreenlee7704 Před 4 lety +11

      Xelphonential how does that work?

  • @chessanator3692
    @chessanator3692 Před 8 lety +7108

    You missed the chance to name the three groups "Defenders, Detectives, Destroyers" for the alliteration.

    • @Crick1952
      @Crick1952 Před 8 lety +413

      Alliteration is always awesome

    • @joshuabrown2125
      @joshuabrown2125 Před 8 lety +92

      +Ryan Gilbert assonance is vowel sounds, alliteration consonants

    • @enoughofyourkoicarp
      @enoughofyourkoicarp Před 7 lety +89

      Tripple Ds are just too big. ;)

    • @DlcEnergy
      @DlcEnergy Před 6 lety +20

      :DDD
      :DDB *_double butted_*

    • @of3natlas507
      @of3natlas507 Před 6 lety +20

      Crick1952 Alliterations are always awesome

  • @larynxaustrene3073
    @larynxaustrene3073 Před 8 lety +4721

    She got caught at the airport, Her flight got delayed the airport ran google systems.
    Just the best ending ever!

  • @janiscena3126
    @janiscena3126 Před 7 lety +6559

    This must be made into a movie.

    • @prookarus
      @prookarus Před 7 lety +87

      Totally!

    • @Calvinatorzcraft
      @Calvinatorzcraft Před 7 lety +19

      Peteris Rudzitis the new episode of South Park kinda covered this

    • @EcasmbNoobje
      @EcasmbNoobje Před 7 lety +295

      nah not really. it really really really fits a "black mirror" episode though.

    • @otocan
      @otocan Před 7 lety +3

      Agreed

    • @TheKhopesh
      @TheKhopesh Před 7 lety +2

      Which one?

  • @TristanBomber
    @TristanBomber Před 9 lety +1153

    For fucks sake, can nobody see the (Fictional) in the title?

    • @TomScottGo
      @TomScottGo  Před 9 lety +247

      TristanBomb That's because I only added the (Fictional) a couple of weeks ago, after people didn't notice the (Fictional) in the description!

    • @TristanBomber
      @TristanBomber Před 9 lety +34

      ***** Ah, that makes sense.

    • @mav6771
      @mav6771 Před 8 lety +7

      ***** I was wondering why I didn't remember this xD

    • @creeperslayer505
      @creeperslayer505 Před 8 lety +36

      +Tom Scott Change the title back so we can continue trolling people

    • @CoacoBudder
      @CoacoBudder Před 7 lety +5

      +Tom Scott We must prepare 17 sacrifices a day to feed the holy Google.

  • @iambensummers
    @iambensummers Před 8 lety +5729

    Obviously it's fictional because Kim Kardashian's tweet has proper grammar.

    • @3ktone685
      @3ktone685 Před 7 lety +97

      This is just waaaaaaayyyyyy to good....

    • @BRACEY12345
      @BRACEY12345 Před 6 lety +46

      *Yeah, you need some proper grammar lessons too.

    • @AlexanderKG
      @AlexanderKG Před 6 lety +22

      BRACEY12345 Punctuation is what he needs, not grammar.

    • @AguaFluorida
      @AguaFluorida Před 6 lety +20

      Uku Sibul - The asterisk (*) denotes the response was a correction to a preceding comment. Is capitalisation a grammar issue, or something else? And discerning between to/too is arguably an issue of both grammar and spelling.

    • @Aric-ls7bf
      @Aric-ls7bf Před 6 lety +7

      Uku Sibul He never said it was a grammar mistake, he simply corrected the sentence.

  • @weesalikesmilktea4829
    @weesalikesmilktea4829 Před 5 lety +2346

    "OH GOB I ACCIDENTALLY FILMED VERTICALLY"
    "Oh gob oh gob oh gob OKAY STAY CALM *WHAT DO WE DO"*
    "uh, uh, LETS PUT THE SLIDES NEXT TO IT "
    "phew, nice save"
    "thanks dude"

  • @Z3Cubing
    @Z3Cubing Před 8 lety +6322

    I love how he added (fictional) to the title. xD

    • @sagiksp4979
      @sagiksp4979 Před 8 lety +61

      +legoboyz3! Didn't expect to see you here

    • @TheSuperDerp
      @TheSuperDerp Před 6 lety +59

      That's what they want you to think.

    • @oakentravis
      @oakentravis Před 6 lety +12

      Didn't think you'd be here.

    • @Chris_Cross
      @Chris_Cross Před 5 lety +11

      I don't get it. Why?

    • @jeim376
      @jeim376 Před 5 lety +3

      I mean, if aliens...

  • @RealationGames
    @RealationGames Před 10 lety +2215

    So detailed story that I actually thought this was true and wondered how could I have missed those news...

    • @davidpox
      @davidpox Před 10 lety +131

      Yup! I thought it was real and I was like "Huh? did I sleep through that day or something?" but then I read the description :p

    • @hellterminator
      @hellterminator Před 9 lety +49

      It took me a while to figure out, too. I mean I did once completely miss the hockey world championship (as in I had no idea whatsoever that it was happening until 2 days after it had ended) but IT news of this magnitude? I think I would have noticed.

    • @DanAtuch_Archives
      @DanAtuch_Archives Před 2 lety +6

      Me too

    • @mike70377
      @mike70377 Před rokem +5

      @@hellterminator didn't even know there was a world hockey championship. Used to play in school though, hated playing on the turf, scraping knees

    • @Imolos
      @Imolos Před rokem +2

      Same

  • @FireSiku
    @FireSiku Před 8 lety +1102

    CZcams recommended this video on April's Fools. Pretty convenient.

  • @Chowder77654
    @Chowder77654 Před 8 lety +1855

    It's like the purge, only online.

  • @gesit7120
    @gesit7120 Před 3 lety +118

    The worst thing is, I remembered the talk a few months later after seeing it and didn't remember this was a fictional story. I told many people about this, like it really happened, well everyone was shocked but believed it.

  • @tommysandal6930
    @tommysandal6930 Před 9 lety +2068

    THIS. Is a prime example of why you should always read descriptions before watching a video. LOL

    • @francobuzzetti9424
      @francobuzzetti9424 Před 9 lety +32

      10:20 mins on,, and i read the comments and the description , i was worried.. and surpriced..

    • @metafis2490
      @metafis2490 Před 9 lety +30

      Yes, although it is a bit of click bait to not say its fiction in the title.

    • @GhostInTheShell29
      @GhostInTheShell29 Před 9 lety +88

      The first time I watched this, I didn't realize it was fictional. I already told several people about this..
      Great.. now I gotta tell them it was fictional. Sounded so plausible.

    • @saeidz.a1280
      @saeidz.a1280 Před 9 lety +37

      And I was wondering why I've never heard of this.

    •  Před 9 lety +5

      GhostInTheShell29
      Me too, only after searching the web for corroboration and not finding anything except the text of this video I noticed that it was fictional.

  • @riverw4721
    @riverw4721 Před 6 lety +191

    Tom, if you wrote a novel about this, I would buy it immediately. You had me thrilled for the entire fifteen minutes.

  • @lemapp
    @lemapp Před 7 lety +783

    Back in the early Internet days, I worked at a company doing a presentation to a group of future major companies. An engineer at a remote site, was told to wipe a machine. He executed the command that raced through all of its directories including linkages to main servers. The presentation began to disappear. Unfortunately this also affected the hundreds of sites we hosts around the world. This type of 'simple' failures happens more often than you realize. It's not always reported.

  • @mickeleh
    @mickeleh Před 10 lety +707

    A marvelous comical geeky horror fiction with just enough points of specificity and verisimilitude to keep you awake at night.

    • @The7wc
      @The7wc Před 10 lety +69

      "Geeky horror fiction" is the best phrase I can think of to describe it, mostly because of how shockingly feasible it is.

    • @Sumanitu
      @Sumanitu Před 4 lety +8

      5 year old comment I know, but thanks anyway for a new word of the day for me! Surprising too, considering the connotation of the word, that it isn't in the V for Vendetta monologue.

  • @tomburris8380
    @tomburris8380 Před 7 lety +878

    At about 6 minutes in, I got convinced to change my password to a random hash. So I open a new tab, and click on my gmail, then click the 'account' button. After the loading wheel spun 30 times, I got an error: "502. That’s an error. The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request." And I got very afraid this video wasn't hypothetical.

    • @icedragon769
      @icedragon769 Před 7 lety +109

      1: changing your password doesn't help this attack scenario
      2: random passwords are bad passwords unless they are also long and have caps, numbers, and special characters, in which case they are not rememberable. If you want to be secure, you need a password manager.

    • @feisty-trog-12345
      @feisty-trog-12345 Před 7 lety +2

      May I ask what this vulnerability is?

    • @feisty-trog-12345
      @feisty-trog-12345 Před 7 lety +4

      *****
      That problem is pretty trivial actually. The application itself can only check for updates on its own, not download them, so the worst that could happen on that side would be that a user thinks he needs an update when he doesn't. The website also uses HTTP, which means that a MitM attack could send the user a malicious file, which can be checked against by looking at the certificate. I don't really think it's a security issue when you're just a bit careful.
      Sidenote: I just love how Softpedia makes it sound like KeePass could update itself or that KeeFarce can just unlock any file. Really great journalism.

    • @feisty-trog-12345
      @feisty-trog-12345 Před 7 lety

      The specific article is actually not relevant, a simple google search shows more than enough results (including the note on the official website).
      You're right, even though and especially since you use a password manager, you still have to be wary of malware. Just goes to show that you should always be careful with your passwords and the security of your PC.
      I'm quite curious how much actual spyware there is for client side password managers. You'd think that the cross section between the people who constantly get their PC infected and the users of password managers is rather small, but there might also be a false sense of security there which leads to more carefree behaviour.
      I do think that your file is more secure, as long as the editor you're using doesn't write unencrypted backups or something terrible like that. However I personally prefer my password manager, since it's better suited to handle large amounts of accounts as well as giving me the ability to more easily find weaknesses in my pseudonymity. The tradeoff between convenience and security is worth it to me.

    • @josgeerink9434
      @josgeerink9434 Před 7 lety

      +Politiekman ben je Nederlands?

  • @hecko-yes
    @hecko-yes Před 7 lety +1134

    Imagine the blame tech support all around the world would unfairly get.
    "HELLO MY GOOGLE ISN'T WORKING PLEASE FIX IT"
    "Sir, we can't do anything abo"
    "I DON'T CARE I'M LOSING 50000 DOLLARS AN HOUR I NEED THIS FIXED NOW"

    • @Spoonable
      @Spoonable Před 4 lety

      Sobsz hold on I recognise your username.

    • @AlicjaDee
      @AlicjaDee Před 4 lety +36

      I used to work in tech support for a while and that's actually what some people told me

    • @paulweaver5624
      @paulweaver5624 Před 4 lety +19

      "Maybe you should have been paying me 50000 dollars an hour then"

    • @pandaqwanda
      @pandaqwanda Před 8 měsíci +1

      do i know you

    • @hecko-yes
      @hecko-yes Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@pandaqwanda sona a

  • @SillyTheWhen
    @SillyTheWhen Před rokem +26

    Why is the way Tom says “as their phones quietly erase themselves” so iconic

  • @Borjigin.
    @Borjigin. Před 9 lety +169

    DEAR LORD. I WATCHED 13 MINUTES OF THIS WITHOUT KNOWING THAT IT WAS FICTIONAL. It's only good fortune that made me look at the description before telling someone / everyone, or Googling (funny enough) to try to figure out why the hell I hadn't heard about this.
    You really should have included something at the beginning of the video. Really. Extremely irresponsible.

    • @NathanTAK
      @NathanTAK Před 9 lety +42

      Or in the title

    •  Před 9 lety +9

      Nathan T This.

    • @Fabelaz
      @Fabelaz Před 9 lety +25

      Why? Watching all this not knowing that's fictional was quite amazing for me :D

    • @legendariersgaming
      @legendariersgaming Před 9 lety +3

      Dmitry Dronov Why? Because I ended up telling people about it and now they all think that Google screwed up and all this crazy stuff happened and they didn't hear about it. Only AFTER that did I realize it was fictional.

    • @Fabelaz
      @Fabelaz Před 9 lety +1

      ***** lol

  • @egot1stical
    @egot1stical Před 7 lety +998

    One account. All of Google. ☺

    • @plumeater1
      @plumeater1 Před 7 lety +17

      Only if you know the username?

    • @1973Washu
      @1973Washu Před 7 lety +27

      A screen name can differ significantly from a username and that is at least something.

    • @fdagpigj
      @fdagpigj Před 7 lety +3

      but the part after /user/ in your yt channel's URL (if you have a pre-googleplus account) is sufficient for logging in, is it not?

    • @tiagodarkpeasant
      @tiagodarkpeasant Před 6 lety +5

      or the email, so if you ever sent a email to me, i can login in your account, them go to your blizzard account , reset the password and erase all your characters, it is even easier to erase your yout tube account

    • @spencermitchell5951
      @spencermitchell5951 Před 6 lety +4

      All of Google. One account.

  • @deathsheir2035
    @deathsheir2035 Před 9 lety +134

    you sir, are very good at telling stories. If it wasn't for me liking to read descriptions, to see what sources you used, I would have never known this was fictional. I also wouldn't have done much of anything even if this was true.

    • @natevonhartleben2737
      @natevonhartleben2737 Před 9 lety +1

      ***** idk, they were careless before, there was a program from google offering 5k for any bugs found in software, and there was a command left in the code from the early days of CZcams, which would allow for the removal of any video, or all videos at once, and that was found not too long ago, by a guy who luckily was nice enough to reveal it to google rather than the rest of the world. That, my friend, is carelessness lol.

    • @natevonhartleben2737
      @natevonhartleben2737 Před 9 lety

      ***** What is the gain by killing people? Terrorists see it as a benefit because it scares people, if people see it as for the greater good, whatever their motive, they do it. You sir, seem to be a believer that 9/11 was an inside job, because you can't see past monetary motive. It was performed because they thought they were doing something for the greater good. No one benefited from it... why can't you understand that? I'm taking cs50 classes, so I'm still new to coding, but I have an understanding, and coding has very little to do with your argument, that they have a "database" which again, is entirely speculation on at which point did they obtain this backup. I understand your argument, it is just wrong lol, put simply.

    • @deathsheir2035
      @deathsheir2035 Před 9 lety +1

      Nate Von Hartleben 1. If CZcams didn't have a backup database, then every video that is taken down (let's say copyright claim) would be incapable of being restored (copyright claim challenged and succeeded). Yet they are capable of restoring videos, therefore they have a backup database. You saying "that they have a "database" which again, is entirely speculation on at which point did they obtain this backup," is completely ignorant.
      2. I agree that coding and having a backup doesn't go hand-in-hand. You don't need a backup, but you would be stupid not to have one.
      3. I do agree that monetary value isn't the sole reason. That still doesn't excuse you jumping straight to 9/11. You simply needed to mention other motivations upon which people can act upon.
      ***** 4. Other motivations people can act upon:
      A. To cause panic
      B. Just to prove that they can (whether to self or to friends)
      C. Try and get people off the computers and into the real world (though that would require the shutting down of more than just a single website)
      D. Other (that isn't listed and I haven't thought of)
      E. All of the above rolled into a nice little package.
      I find this conversation interesting, because it went somewhere I didn't mean for it to go. But now it's getting tiresome. Can you please stop the discussion?

    • @natevonhartleben2737
      @natevonhartleben2737 Před 9 lety +1

      You could have the access to the videos removed rather than removing the videos altogether, nullifying the need for a backup. And i think my statement was misunderstood, I meant that we didn't know at which point a backup system would have been implemented, although it probably would've been implemented when the value of the company was seen as significant, meaning before that point, there was a point of significant value the company had, and also that line of code allowing for it's deletion also existed. To explain my jump to 9/11, it was a simple reference to make, easily the most recognizable act of terrorism in at least American history. With this comment I say my last piece, and will respectfully close my argument.

    • @patentlypaul1832
      @patentlypaul1832 Před 7 lety +1

      Death's Heir /)

  • @ElectricPandemic
    @ElectricPandemic Před 10 lety +35

    I had a horrific moment watching this of thinking "Why don't I remember this happening!? Surely this is something that would stick in my mind!" before I realised it was fiction. You had me scared there, Tom!

  • @Pantsmode
    @Pantsmode Před 4 lety +400

    Moral of the story: do not put "return: true;" on top of any code.

    • @codinghub3759
      @codinghub3759 Před 4 lety +17

      What if, I want to make a boolean function. And it will have to take some time to code it. Visual Studio will keep saying it, and so I just add it.
      Though sometimes, I do forget to remove it, and wonder why the false statement isn't working.

    • @TheGodlikeBlock
      @TheGodlikeBlock Před 3 lety +23

      Coding Hub i always have "functions that would return a bool but i wanna write them later" always default to false ^^

    • @ghosty918
      @ghosty918 Před 3 lety +5

      What you should do is set a "Dev_Variable1" as true and a "Dev_Variable2" as False. Whenever you want to do that boolean stuff you throw a reference to the Dev variables.
      Before you commit, delete the Dev Variables and see what throws errors.

    • @vojtechstrnad1
      @vojtechstrnad1 Před 3 lety +4

      Your IDE/linter should warn you of the dead code, and you should have automated tests that would detect that your code isn't running correctly.

    • @1p2k-223
      @1p2k-223 Před 3 lety +2

      What if the return: true; was for "If the user was logged OUT"?

  • @ctyoung16
    @ctyoung16 Před 9 lety +184

    I didn't read the description and I totally had a War of the Worlds moment just now...

  • @BobfromSydney
    @BobfromSydney Před 5 lety +63

    Tom Scott just channelled Tom Clancy for 13 minutes.

  • @henmasman
    @henmasman Před 7 lety +497

    THIS WOULD MAKE AN GREAT MOVIE

    • @sprytt
      @sprytt Před 7 lety +92

      An great movie. An great move?! AN GREAT MOVIE?!?

    • @siquod
      @siquod Před 6 lety +12

      Yes, if you write in all caps, the indefinite article is obviously always AN, otherwise it would sound stupid when read/screamed out. Don't tell me you didn't know this basic rule⸮

    • @verdatum
      @verdatum Před 6 lety +16

      How the hell would you shoot it?? A bunch of people, staring at there phones, going "Oh no! Oh NO! OH NO!!" for two hours??
      Good novel, sure. But I can think of hundreds of ways this would make a horrible movie.

    • @noahjames9457
      @noahjames9457 Před 6 lety

      Henry Lange This would make an even better book.

    • @zhgt8853
      @zhgt8853 Před 5 lety

      Henry Lange welp they makin it into a movie m8

  • @antler4979
    @antler4979 Před 8 lety +171

    Single Point of Failure: The (Real) Day CZcamsrs Forgot To Check Video Descriptions

    • @the.abhiram.r
      @the.abhiram.r Před 6 lety

      Antler ourmine are back (read the description)

  • @PhazonSouffle
    @PhazonSouffle Před 9 lety +82

    I for one can't wait for the Internet apocalypse.

    • @Woodside235
      @Woodside235 Před 9 lety +6

      PhazonSouffle See you down an Arizona bay.

    • @Nevir202
      @Nevir202 Před 8 lety

      +Woodside I'm already here, it's unusually cold right now for some reason.

  • @bahazbz
    @bahazbz Před 4 lety +19

    I literally just now realized Tom Scott wears the same red T-shirt in almost every appearance.

  • @TheDavidLiou
    @TheDavidLiou Před 9 lety +522

    Time to write a new novel dude :P

  • @jaykay4137
    @jaykay4137 Před 8 lety +263

    This is why I use [undisclosed email service] instead of Google as my primary email service. Nobody uses [undisclosed email service], so nobody would bother attacking [undisclosed email service].

  • @ActuallyIsScorpion
    @ActuallyIsScorpion Před 9 lety +198

    i absolutely thought it was real until i finished the video. tom scott you're brilliant.

  • @vsolyomi
    @vsolyomi Před 2 lety +61

    "It takes more than a single point of failure to change the world..." I'd say exactly three - a bat, a civet and a human wanting an exotic snack

  • @SallyLePage
    @SallyLePage Před 10 lety +559

    Really good video - very thought-provoking, and your storytelling is excellent. In fact, all your videos over the past year or so have been particularly good. I look forward to seeing more :)

    • @osdever
      @osdever Před 3 lety +10

      Why do you dress like him

    • @TemphinFD
      @TemphinFD Před 2 lety +1

      @@osdever LMAO

    • @almostcertainlynotapotato6528
      @almostcertainlynotapotato6528 Před 2 lety

      @@osdever Sally, Tom, Jay Foreman and all these people belong to the same circles. (why do you think they dress like him though?)

  • @youtubecommenter-on9kd
    @youtubecommenter-on9kd Před 6 lety +39

    I notice a significant lack of DOS impacts - there would be an essentially astronomical increase in traffic, when EVERYONE with an internet connection would be logging on to EVERYTHING - reading about the news or watching videos on it; determining which of their accounts was linked to gmail and which (thankfully) weren't; and trying to fill the defender, detective or burner roles you presented --- and that's not even including those intentionally increasing (manually or via scripts that may already be waiting to take advantage of something like this happened) the impact of their intentionally disruptive DDOS schemes.

    • @OnlyKaerius
      @OnlyKaerius Před 2 lety +6

      This is the only scenario in which DDOS is actually a defender mechanism.

    • @dzaima
      @dzaima Před 2 lety +1

      Well, by now there has been at least one major outage for both Google and Facebook, and neither had *too* much of an effect on other sites. Sure, the scenario in the video would be worse, but not too much worse I'd guess.

  • @realscapegoat592
    @realscapegoat592 Před 9 lety +385

    I would be a Self-Burner, I would destroy my own account so nobody stole my information

    • @kito4525
      @kito4525 Před 6 lety +36

      Backup and delete

    • @supercool1312
      @supercool1312 Před 5 lety +83

      realscapegoat so a defender

    • @Multibe150
      @Multibe150 Před 5 lety +22

      @@kito4525 Google has already done the backup for you (Both in this scenario and in real life), so this is the smartest plan in a situation like this.

    • @sirrivet9557
      @sirrivet9557 Před 4 lety +5

      Ahaha my accounts have nothing on them but shitposts. And I have zero personal information

    • @Leekodot15
      @Leekodot15 Před 2 lety +3

      @@sirrivet9557 ALL your accounts? Keyword: ALL. If you leave a single account with personal info, then you're toast.

  • @markes4465
    @markes4465 Před 2 lety +7

    I find it amusing that CZcams decided to recommend this video to me, a few days after I accidentally leaked my personal most secure password into a public repository to the main branch

  • @joblessalex
    @joblessalex Před 7 lety +144

    Everything this guy does is interesting.

  • @nekolalia3389
    @nekolalia3389 Před 5 lety +22

    This is a GeekyConf presentation about a future.
    Not *the* future; just *a* future.

  • @Ruminations09
    @Ruminations09 Před 9 lety +242

    I recognize that this story is false, but one thing I'm really curious about is the "Trusted Five" part of the story. I googled "Google's trusted 5" as well as "Maria Christensen" and nothing related other than this very video showed up, but having only 5, or at least some small-ish number of coders as the only ones allowed to touch the core code sounds very believable, so I'm curious about how true it is.

    • @JH1010IsAwesome
      @JH1010IsAwesome Před 8 lety +58

      Unless someone goes crazy or devotes a ridiculous amount of their life to ruining your company, it's a pretty safe way to run things.

    • @ceruchi2084
      @ceruchi2084 Před 4 lety +144

      In my organization we have the O5 Council, but if you figure out any of their actual identities you get given amnesia meds and fed to a giant superintelligent crocodile.

    • @williamwhitehouse8741
      @williamwhitehouse8741 Před 4 lety +29

      _scp 762 has escaped containment_

    • @SLUGGURATH
      @SLUGGURATH Před 3 lety +11

      @@williamwhitehouse8741 how can scp 762 escape containment? its just an inanimate coffin

    • @vojtechstrnad1
      @vojtechstrnad1 Před 3 lety +40

      @@ceruchi2084 Why would they give the person amnesia meds if they're going to feed them to a crocodile anyway? Is it so that you can't tell the crocodile?

  • @woodfur00
    @woodfur00 Před 7 lety +175

    Well damn. And I'd be the one person locked out of secure interaction because I didn't put my trust in Facebook.

    • @debesys6306
      @debesys6306 Před 7 lety +1

      Well, I have pretty much abandoned my gmail. I only use it for youtube comments. So uh, I probably wouldn't be effected too much; despite not using facebook. Ye...

    • @woodfur00
      @woodfur00 Před 7 lety +1

      Lilly S You know Google owns CZcams, right?

    • @debesys6306
      @debesys6306 Před 7 lety +2

      woodfur00 Yes, but the worst anyone can do on my youtube is do hate comments or delete it.

    • @woodfur00
      @woodfur00 Před 7 lety

      Lilly S But would you have a secure way to communicate with people?

    • @debesys6306
      @debesys6306 Před 7 lety +4

      woodfur00 Text. Or Calling them. I don't really talk to people though unless I'm with them in person. Sometimes I don't even go on youtube, so I might not even notice xD

  • @madmanmortonyt4890
    @madmanmortonyt4890 Před 3 lety +12

    Tom Scott's alt history scenarios are always a treat

  • @DubsRoss
    @DubsRoss Před 8 lety +47

    "The backup you haven't done in a while"
    Shit.... Now I have to find my external hard drive.

  • @Ahead144
    @Ahead144 Před 10 lety +59

    Actually thought this was real, until i read the description. But made me realise how much i have centered around one account. Thanks for opening my eyes

  • @noizepusher7594
    @noizepusher7594 Před rokem +3

    One underrated thing about this story is that the password glitch was intentional. Knowing Tom I would’ve thought that he would’ve made the source of the glitch a simple accident by a reckless executive but it is much more interesting that it was an intentional attack. This top CEO who was one of the “trusted five” who has access to Google’s code decides to let everything burn. Her manifesto is provocative and hopeful and perfect for the tone of the story.

  • @Valery0p5
    @Valery0p5 Před 2 lety +6

    When you suddenly wipe your BGP routing tables and deplatform yourself, all of your workers, technicians and engineers:
    Press F

  • @DonovanDMC
    @DonovanDMC Před 4 lety +6

    "This too, shall pass" is a quote I've been using for years, love it.

  • @juxtalightborne3253
    @juxtalightborne3253 Před 8 lety +95

    Dear hackers...
    I have a challenge for you...

  • @NotNite
    @NotNite Před 8 lety +466

    If this really happened:
    1. I would download ALL my files and try and secure my account from anything I couldn't protect.
    2. Go into everyone's account.

    • @brucebaker810
      @brucebaker810 Před 8 lety +30

      +NiteDasher So defense against the offensive...but then be offensive. Nice.
      Actually, not.

    • @mrWade101
      @mrWade101 Před 8 lety +3

      +Teddy Frozevelt I don't use Gmail ;)

    • @HarmonicVector
      @HarmonicVector Před 8 lety

      Hahahaha.

    • @mrWade101
      @mrWade101 Před 8 lety

      ***** Idc about my youtube, and my google and I don't have a Gmail account, why would I?

    • @mrWade101
      @mrWade101 Před 8 lety

      ***** sooooo?

  • @imslackingrightnow9765
    @imslackingrightnow9765 Před 6 lety +27

    Jeez Tom, you're so good at making fake things seem real that you should work for The Onion!

    • @noizepusher7594
      @noizepusher7594 Před rokem

      I’d love it if he made nerdy onion stories, it would be great

  • @puellanivis
    @puellanivis Před 9 lety +236

    There are several reasons why this could never happen. (Disclosure: I was a Google SRE, most of this will be vague because it would otherwise contain some proprietary Google information.)
    0) Google SREs. An entire group of engineers whose values intrinsically value reliability, stability and dependability.
    1) Google doesn't run 24h oncalls for critical infrastructure. They run 12h oncalls between two sites at least 8 hours apart.
    2) Google has an in-company "open source" design where any engineer can access nearly any source code. So, someone, somewhere, could roll this back.
    3) Google corp uses two-factor authentication. No one could ever login far enough to remote wipe any coworker's phone. (Not that it matters, the oncall is awake anyways. cf. #1)
    4) all Google engineers have a laptop setup and ready to get onto the corp network and work on code-securely-from anywhere in the internet.
    5) Google has continuous tests running and, someone, somewhere, at Google is running a test against this. When it triggers, pager storm.
    The likelihood against this, even in the face of malicious intent, lasting for longer than 5 minutes is so many 9's that you might as well consider it 1.

    • @magnum3.14
      @magnum3.14 Před 9 lety +41

      puellanivis at least point 3 was mentioned in the story. The fictional code change also ruled out two-factor authentification and other checks

    • @puellanivis
      @puellanivis Před 9 lety +56

      danielcw Different code, different owners. One person cannot unilaterally remove both the password and two-factor authentication without at least one other person approving the checkin... which in this scenario would require two people with malicious intent.
      ... also, it wouldn't make sense to make this change when everyone is in the office, so we're talking about a person who is already in London/Dublin, and thus wouldn't need to take a plane flight to Europe. Which also means the two actors with malicious intent would have had to orchestrate their on-calls shifts to overlap.
      Honestly, with the inhouse knowledge, the best time to get this commit through would be end-of-day Friday... when SREs pretty much universally are going to lynch you for doing any sort of checkin...
      I realize that the idea is to contrive an example to say "what if..." but these sorts of "what if"s are the exact thing that SREs are tasked with preventing.

    • @flyaround312
      @flyaround312 Před 8 lety +10

      +puellanivis Because if you THINK your security is infallible and you can't come up with a way it could fail, then it's impossible for it to fail in some novel way no one considered or realized was possible, right?

    • @puellanivis
      @puellanivis Před 8 lety +40

      +Privacy Lover It's not that I think their security is infallible. It's that the particularly "novel" way that Tom describes is not actually novel and couldn't happen at Google.
      So, to be clear, this is not some "novel way no one considered or realized"... sure there could be a different way that this specific scenario (Google stops checking password validity) could happen, but nothing he actually described is possible.

    • @GeoNeilUK
      @GeoNeilUK Před 8 lety +29

      +puellanivis But he did say it was fictional and does he even _have_ inside knowledge at Google?
      Furthermore, he just used Google as an example of a company that wouldn't sue him. He could have picked Microsoft (which would have been entertaining him describing all those Windows 8 and Windows 10 PCs going doolally because the user's main account is linked to a Microsoft online account) Apple, Facebook, any system.
      It's why I find it hilarious that all these commenters are specifically talking about Google.

  • @johannstark8040
    @johannstark8040 Před 2 lety +3

    The anxiety this video gives me is telling me to throw my computer into a lake and go live in the woods forever

  • @d9zirable
    @d9zirable Před 3 lety +7

    This was a warning message.

  • @ThatBiohazardGuy
    @ThatBiohazardGuy Před 4 lety +20

    “Facebook became the most trusted site” that ages like fine milk.

  • @Aniruddha_godbole
    @Aniruddha_godbole Před 2 lety +8

    Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram are globally down due to unknown reason 4 oct 2021 evening GMT

  • @kadmii
    @kadmii Před 2 lety +6

    This seems strangely relevant now

  • @ughhhhhhhhhhhjhh
    @ughhhhhhhhhhhjhh Před 2 lety +4

    this aged like a fine wine

  • @eppssilon
    @eppssilon Před 3 lety +4

    This sounds like a really good plot for anything: a game, a movie, a book, anything

  • @mangoscrub
    @mangoscrub Před 3 lety +18

    Watching this just after the Google crash of 2020 makes this frighteningly more realistic

    • @antg1597
      @antg1597 Před 3 lety

      Same, friends are worrying if we should change our password immediately.

    • @floatingblaze8405
      @floatingblaze8405 Před 3 lety +3

      The single point of failure is the same: The Login API. Just instead of a massive breach of privacy, we got the most impactful DoS against google's whole infrastructure.

    • @albertjackinson
      @albertjackinson Před 3 lety +1

      There was a crash? Why didn't I know?

    • @antg1597
      @antg1597 Před 3 lety

      @@albertjackinson just a few hours of outage on Dec 14, 2020. It wouldn't cause a glitch on your experience if not online that time

    • @pianopianist5709
      @pianopianist5709 Před 2 lety

      The time when Google and youtube were taken down for a few hours for updates? I'm actually surprised at how I don't know about it.

  • @delfikpro7375
    @delfikpro7375 Před 2 lety +2

    Time for a yearly rewatch!

  • @richardtimmsdesign
    @richardtimmsdesign Před 7 lety +11

    This needs to be a movie.

  • @xkcdstickfigure
    @xkcdstickfigure Před 5 lety +26

    "Thank you very much, I've been Tom Scott, Enjoy the rest of the Show"
    Who you going to be next time?

  • @Thoressau
    @Thoressau Před 2 lety +59

    "Facebook became the most trusted site" that one is becoming like a fine wine

  • @clray123
    @clray123 Před 4 lety +5

    The code-to-production release process works like that in small screwy shops (Dropbox apparently being one of them), but in case of modifying widely used software, and especially security critical pieces of it, and especially where lotsa money is involved, there is a formal code review / signoff process that requires multiple persons to become involved before anything goes "live".

  • @TheRealFlenuan
    @TheRealFlenuan Před 9 lety +48

    It took me five minutes to realize this was fictional.

    • @ABaumstumpf
      @ABaumstumpf Před 9 lety +31

      The Real Flenuan Yeah, when he said Facebook was used for trusted communication :D

    • @jothain
      @jothain Před 9 lety +5

      The Real Flenuan I looked pretty much through whole thing wondering pretty much all the time "how the heck have I missed this thing?". Even tried to search for Christiansens current state until figured out that something is not quite right :)

    • @cameronwebster6866
      @cameronwebster6866 Před 9 lety +3

      The Real Flenuan it took me watching it for a second time to figure it out.

    • @TheRealFlenuan
      @TheRealFlenuan Před 9 lety

      Cameron Webster Haha, damn…

  • @durchschnittlich
    @durchschnittlich Před 8 lety +17

    I forgot so many times that it's only fictional

  • @eldrago19
    @eldrago19 Před 5 lety +3

    "And logs out, which is ironic because logging out doesn't mean anything anymore" Tom Scott is wonderful.

  • @ladymilliejean4166
    @ladymilliejean4166 Před 7 lety +19

    The Purge: Internet Edition

  • @AliJardz
    @AliJardz Před 10 lety +10

    Absolutely phenomenal talk.

  • @meribold
    @meribold Před 3 lety +40

    Who's here after the Google outage?

    • @vojtechstrnad1
      @vojtechstrnad1 Před 3 lety +2

      Ah, so THAT'S why I just got this video in my recommended.

  • @KayleLang
    @KayleLang Před 9 lety +9

    I was going "how the hell did I miss this story." I started googling and nothing but this video came up. Then I read the comments, which pointed me to the description. This is why I always check multiple sources and not immediately repost everything.

  • @NoriMori1992
    @NoriMori1992 Před 8 lety +5

    Wow. That sent chills up my spine. Fantastic work, Tom!

  • @jonsen2k
    @jonsen2k Před 10 lety +7

    Omg lol. For a second there I was all like "How on earth did this slip by me?!?", or something to that effect. Then I glanced over to the description. Feel kinda stupid now. =p

  • @ReyosBlackwood
    @ReyosBlackwood Před 2 lety +92

    The single point of failure wasn't passwords and it wasn't google. It was facebook running everything through facebook and accidentally deleting their DNS entries.

    • @thatonecookie242
      @thatonecookie242 Před rokem +4

      is this referring to a real event?

    • @NiklasVWWV
      @NiklasVWWV Před rokem

      Also wondering

    • @ABT554
      @ABT554 Před 8 měsíci

      Yes it is. There was a huge "outage" of all Facebook systems some time ago because there was a Problem with their DNS configuration. I remember it very fondly because I hate FB with all my heart and rejoice whenever something bad happens to them ^^@@thatonecookie242

  • @mistaecco
    @mistaecco Před 7 lety +4

    This is so fascinating, I've watched it dozens of times but still will a dozen more times I bet.

  • @v-vanilla5259
    @v-vanilla5259 Před 3 lety +9

    “The trusted five”
    *Scp vibes intensify*

    • @wenlock8069
      @wenlock8069 Před 3 lety

      The trusted 13 for the O-5 but yes

  • @jessicabray2250
    @jessicabray2250 Před 4 lety +2

    I'm currently a Computer Science student and this video just reassured me that even two words can screw everything up and crash.

  • @Roto255
    @Roto255 Před 10 lety +2

    This is one of the most interesting speeches I've seen in a while... I stumbled on this video after a tweet by a Mojang member (ironic, because I used my gmail to register for twitter) and it freaked me out, in a good way. I would love to see more vids like these!

  • @nedgeake4081
    @nedgeake4081 Před 2 lety +10

    Remarkably prescient, this. Not exactly what seems to have happened but still fun to watch as Facebook burns

  • @123456789robbie
    @123456789robbie Před 10 lety +7

    Tom needs to write a book or something, this is genius

  • @watchletter
    @watchletter Před rokem +1

    I often come back to his because the quote "the world doesnt get changed through a single point of failure" just stuck with me

  • @NamEhcatsoum
    @NamEhcatsoum Před 4 lety +5

    The way Tom says this sounds like he's describing a XK class end of the world scenario.

  • @HouseBricksDoor187
    @HouseBricksDoor187 Před 4 lety +4

    "4chan entered chat"
    "You have lost connection to the server"

  • @danr.5017
    @danr.5017 Před 7 lety +23

    Why hasn't Hollywood picked ths sup yet? This would be an amazing thriller.

  • @evilparkin
    @evilparkin Před 10 lety

    Excellent stuff. This is the Tom Scott I'm subscribed for - interesting hypotheticals followed through in vivid detail. Great work! :)

  • @luigigaminglp
    @luigigaminglp Před 4 lety

    The video is 5 years old, and i already watched it at least time, yet here it is back in my youtube feed.
    And honestly, this video deserves this.

  • @KirkHMiller
    @KirkHMiller Před 4 lety +6

    Great story... I could listen to this every [REDACTED]

  • @umnikos
    @umnikos Před 7 lety +80

    9:45 Just now I realised this is all FICTIONAL...
    damn it seemed so real to me...

  • @PrakritiSinha
    @PrakritiSinha Před 10 lety +2

    This just became my favorite video on CZcams. I can't thank you enough.

  • @ARSZLB
    @ARSZLB Před 4 lety +2

    that was both incredibly eye-opening and terrifying.

  • @nmaurok
    @nmaurok Před 8 lety +4

    I loved the ending! You are amazing and so are your videos. Cheer!

  • @shibolinemress8913
    @shibolinemress8913 Před 3 lety +3

    Good thing your story was set in the past, otherwise you could have started an Orson Wells/War of the Worlds-type panic! It was a great story though, and the ending was brilliant! 🤣

  • @B1gBoyPants
    @B1gBoyPants Před 3 lety +1

    I loved every moment of this. So glad CZcams recommended it to me today- years later.