LGR - Star Wars X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter - PC Game Review
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- Single player may be an afterthought, but X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter is still a lot of fun! Especially when the power gets all balanced.
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"What are TIE fighters even made of, aluminum foil and scotch tape?" Yes. The Empire considered building the ships to survive getting hit to be more expensive than just replacing the ship and pilot when it exploded.
I've been bugged by that too. However, it seems that the Imperials had no shortage of men and women with a death wish to fly their TIEs.
Aren't TIE fighters also supposed to be absurdly fast, too? It might have been more of a misuse of the TIE than anything else, as Anakin literally removed the shield generators from his interceptor that you see in Revenge of the Sith to save mass to go extremely quickly, so Vader probably wanted Imperial pilots to be extremely maneuverable but the bureaucracy went "They're so cheap they're disposable!", and promptly treated them as disposable. In A New Hope, only four TIEs are lost in the Battle of Yavin, and only about 4 when the Falcon escapes the Death Star. In Empire, the only time TIEs are lost is in the asteroid field, a pretty hazardous environment. It's only with Jedi that you start to see TIES get thrown at the Rebels like they're disposable, then from there Star Wars expanded continuity treated TIEs like Jedi does.
I also read somewhere that the Imperial Navy relied on their fleet of capital ships to do much of the heavy lifting, meaning their fighters were more for defending said ships. The Rebels, on the other hand, used their fighters in a more independent manner due to a comparative lack of capital ships.
@@commscan314 yeah, the idea was essentially that their capital ships would do the heavy lifting, and a swarm of highly maneuverable TIEs would take care of anything the capital ships couldn't. The TIEs were also not designed for independent operation - they had no hyperdrive, and they needed external support structures built into the capital ships for efficient ingress and egress.
Honestly, the design makes a lot of sense in the larger scope of imperial doctrine. TIEs are equipment for their parent ship.
MSN gaming zone.
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Fun times.
+phallll I read that comment in Sir Alc Guinness ' voice. :) "I haven't been MSN Gaming Zone since before you were born."
zone.msn.com/en-us/home
It still exists, but what is sad is they never did replace the Matchmaking Functionality that games like X-Wing Vs. Tie Fighter used. Mind that's also true for the Games for Windows Live stuff. I mean it was suppose to shift over to MSN Messenger, but that instantly disappeared when Microsoft bought Skype.
Honestly I never understood why they didn't consolidate these services as they introduced new ones.
Like it would've made sense had Zone evolved into [Games for] Windows Live and the current Xbox Live Ecosystem.
Heck I thought that back in what, '99 when GameSpy launched and I thought that Microsoft really needed to properly compete in that space; then with the launch of Steam (and Direct2Drive) with their Xbox Marketplace still fairly new but in a decent form... where they'd hit the ground running with a solid service rather than something that they took what, another 12 years to finally get their act together on.
All the time deprecating all of those old titles we love. Just silly, really as better Microsoft support would've meant they'd have dominated a market they realistically created and continue to innovate on but rarely capitalise. Still that seems to be the legacy of Microsoft post-2000 really.
+James Davenport I once played Jedi Knight, with your father. He wanted you to have this when you were old enough - but your Uncle wouldn't allow it. Your father's spork mod. It added a sweet grappling hook! Not as clumsy or random as that one DBZ mod everyone played. From a more civilized age... before the dark times. Before Unreal engine.
Those were some of the best times of my childhood. Playing on the ladder, and always going against the evil emprie TFA (Tie Fighter Alliance).
I fought for TFA (Phoenix Squadron) :D All these nights in weeks of war...
If any game deserves a reboot, it's this one..
I want one but not with EA but with sherry Activision or Take Two.
imagine it in VR
Sure with loot boxes, DRM and live services.
Could you imagine if someone scalped the best young developers, some jaded gamer serious star wars fans who have been through the game developer grind as a job looking for a passion project who know those games inside and out and an office full of hr and support staff that love those games and the franchise like their children...... what a modern X-wing, Tie Fighter, X vs Tie - game series ultimately leading to the best online dogfighting space combat flight simulator in the history of the world would look like.
I dream about it all the time.....
Remake
My heart lit up when you said you checked out XvT from a library. This makes me happy as a librarian.
I spent nearly every day at a library growing up, and still go whenever I can! Being homeschooled before the omnipresence of the internet gave me quite an appreciation :)
@@LGR Dude you were homeschooled!? Me too! Being bitten by the retro bug must just be a no brainer for homeschoolers...
I got to try Assassin’s Creed from my local library. 🙂
@@LGR younever plyedcstar warscstsrfighter and jedibstarfighters
This was one of the greatest games ever made. Complicated but fun as hell once you got the hang of it.
This makes me suddenly want to see your input on the Unreal Tournament series. (Mainly 2004 because that was my jam, but any would be interesting in my book!)
+TheDarkOne629 UT99 was pretty groundbreaking really. Amazing graphics for its time, and the gameplay was second to none.
+chipchip Quake 3 did some things better. It felt much faster even if you did not perfect your movement like you had to in UT99
Cry? What were you doin here??
I still love ut2k4 and ut99.....Great games.....
Still didn't happen :(
WHAT?! I bought the original and was highly disappointed by it, having come off of Tie Fighter and X-Wing before, and only now, *years later*, do I find out they actually released a full campaign as an expansion?!
I feel sooooo jipped now...
+darkmage07070777 I bought the game, was hugely disappointed, bought the expansion and still thought it was meh because the presentation was dreadful since it used the same menu as the multiplayer missions. It was a really dumb move to make a multiplayer-only game when a single player game was FAR more in demand.
+redavatar , also.. they make you need to buy the multiplayer, especially if you bought Balance of Power first. As a kid I was confused by this, I only have SP & can't play it.
+George Pearson I did, 'twas awesome. Shame there hasn't been a game like those (or Freespace, or Colony Wars) since. :(
+darkmage07070777 When I was a kid, I had the choice of either buying XvT or X-Wing. Looking back, I was super lucky I picked X-Wing.
+fargeeks So was the second, especially if you stop to think about it for a bit.
I played all four games in the X-Wing series as they came out, loved 'em all, but for slightly different reasons: X-Wing was any aspiring pilot's dream, and was amazing, even though crazy hard in some places, TIE Fighter saw the mechanics cleaned up to near perfection, and being able to see the Empire's point of view was great, XvT was all about the multiplayer, so it honed your skills and opened up the galaxy, XWA was mainly about the campaign experience, at least for me, picking up battle trophies was awesome, and being able to use transports was something I hadn't known I'd wanted to do, heh.
When XvT first came out, I didn't know about TCP/IP, but the idea of multiplayer was amazing, so a friend and I figured it out, then joined a XvT gaming group online (I was surprised there were so many already, since I'd gotten the game just a few months after release), where they had already setup match finding rooms on IRC. The community evolved quite quickly, smaller groups of a few dozen combining into leagues with hundreds, then thousands, from all around the world (the first time I experienced anything like that). Very quickly tournaments were setup, and the community became well organized. Lag could be game breaking, and there were some people who exploited it, but for the most part, it was a great community, and most 1v1 matches weren't terribly effected. Trying to get more than 2 people in a game just increased the lag issues, so 1v1 furball was the most popular online (LAN parties were another story of course, lol). On a rare occasion we'd get a few people we knew all had solid connections (as time passed, some people got access to cable, DSL, or T1 lines, so games would usually be more stable if they hosted) to play a co-op campaign mission, which was amazing, but using voice chat increased lag on dial-up, so we didn't do that til everyone had cable.
Most of us tried switching over to X-Wing: Alliance, which is prettier, but was much more susceptible to lag, so most stuck with XvT until Star Wars Galaxies came out and the Star Wars gamers moved on.
I was really into the series already, but that XvT multiplayer turned it into my favorite game of all time.
Now that is an awesome story. A perfect time of new 3d games and the beginning of the internet. Truely an amazing time period!
makes sense that ties are destroyed instantly, they have no shields
You continue to be one of the very best CZcamsrs out there. A lot of my favorites have been in slow decline for about a year, but you've been getting better and better ever since I discovered your channel.
And the bits at the end, with the links, you go that extra distance and make it funny :D
Awesome!
I hope you get around to reviewing more of the classic Star Wars games from the 90s. (Rebel Assault II, and Dark Forces II always stand out to me because of their live-action gameplay/cutscenes).
I purchased this game the day it was released. And the first manufacturing run mislabelled the discs.
The "Master Game Disc" is actually the "Multiplayer Disc" and vice versa.
Fun fact
The mip mapping option is also inverted in the options.
fiereke Yes!
Thought I was the only one that had that problem lol
I’m happy for you that you can find fun in such a fact. 😜
As much as I liked this game (without Balance of Power), I much preferred Tie Fighter due to having a campaign to play through.
I remember loving this when it came out, my brother bought the game and paid to have the family PC upgraded to a Cyrix PR200+ just to play it. It did need dial-up access for multiplayer (which I didn't even have Internet at the time) but one thing you could do was loan disc 2 to a friend, they could install just a basic version of the game, call into your PC via Modem and play skirmishes that way. The lack of a campaign was a downer though, makes me wish we'd picked up Balance of Power.
Cool review!
playing the campaign in coop was such a blast! Way ahead of its time.
That desktop at 1:54 - no words for it...its just....perfect...
how did I not see this before? my god this really takes me back...
I remember when libraries used to let you borrow PC games. They were the good old days.
oh man I forgot just how frustratingly difficult this game was!!! Totally makes sense that it was made for multiplayer too! I love it when you review games that I had completely forgotten about from my 90's youth! Thank you Clint, big ol' thumbs up!
Those Mechwarrior boxes look freaking awesome!
And it was fab to see a Super Star Destroyer in these games for the first time ever!!!
It was significantly larger, but still not as big as in the movies - it would have taken too long to fly along its length to feel any excitement.
Thanks for reviewing this. The memories :) Went down the rabbit hole and went thru my own DOSBox collection. Just finished playing Hexen (if anyone remembers that one :) )
TIE Fighter was actually my first experience with the Star Wars universe. Saw it on one of my dad's coworkers computers at the computer store where he worked. I was enamored, and was given it as a birthday present. Not knowing any better, I assumed the Empire were the good guys, since you play as them. When I first saw the movies years later I recognized a TIE Fighter and realized that that game and the movie I was watching were related. However I was very confused why the good guys were fighting against the Empire.
I remember back in the day, I customized all the sounds in the game. I mixed IRL missile and jet sounds to play when proton torpedos were fired for exemple, and added way more star wars music to play in the background than the music available in the game! That was awesome!
I'm now forever convinced that that is exactly how you sounded as a kid, Clint. It's just too perfect with the voice you have now.
Will you do X-Wing: Alliance as well?
Also awwwyiss I see those Mechcommander boxes, I hope we see a review of those games.
I loved this Game as much as X-Wing and Tie Fighter! With the Expansion it is unbeatable!
They should also release a story-driven campaign expansion for *_Star Wars: Battlefront_*.
battlefront 2 had a campaign
your vids truly are timeless.
Hoping for some Jedi Knight too. Great fun as always.
I loved this game so much. It was one of the first "real" immersive games I had ever played. The fact that your keyboard felt like a spaceship control board was awesome. They combined action and simulation perfectly. It makes me remember Mechwarrior 3 by Zipper Interactive ( who always went for realism of simulation in action games ).
This game was absolutely my favourite! Oh man, I'm getting some good memories.
Videogames from the library were the bomb :D
Free games are good games!
+Miss Carnivora Oh my God, JC, a bomb!
.skyNet I remember only a big one having games, mostly for kid's and mostly educational but I loved those. :)
+Miss Carnivora My library doesn't have pc games anymore :(. Though they asked for more money last year through taxes and now they have a lot of ps4/xbone games.
Awesome review. Would love to see a play through.
Wow now this game looks friggin good. Love to play Star Wars games with space battle! Awesome review as always!
I remember looking at this in magazines back in the day and knowing I could never afford a pc that could play it.
I remember a friend having Tie Fighter and being like wow the PC has some really cool exclusive games. I never realized this was a Quake 3 esque styled game I thought it was well what Balance of Power turned out to be. Anyways great review, I liked how you borrowed this from a library! I don't remember a library here allowing you to try out PC games.
Holy shit R2. I lost it at that man goddamn
I have fond memories playing this. I remember this being the only game I needed a joystick for, but it was awesome back in the day. It's a shame that there aren't many games that use joysticks anymore, they were a cool feature.
That first target you were shooting and the general look and feel of the game reminds me of _Independence War_. I need to review that game at some point...
I do miss this so very much. Found some old players on Elite dangerous who remember me, The legendary" Blue Raja" also known as"Dances with A-wings "
X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter was the death of the X-Wing (1993) and Tie-Fighter (1994) series of combat simulators.
+mitrooper There was one last hurrah after that, X-Wing Alliance (1999). Then the sci-fi sim genre sort collapsed at the turn of the century.
Oh god. I remember X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter: Academy Edition (or something like that it was named.)
You start playing it, complete some tutorial, then is supposed to land in a bigger ship. Except you can never get the ship inside because the collision detection is faulty.
I used to watch my friends play this when I was younger. I was never a big star wars fan. But my times have changed. I've been following you guys on discord for over a yr. I keep putting this off in hopes of playing it when it's 100% complete. I'm playing x-wing now the 98 version on steam and having so much fun with it. Might have to play TFTC next :) It is installed and rdy to go thanks to angels easy install guide. I gotta give a shout out how you guys always respond on the discord. Angel and Phoenix answer me In minutes to get TFTC working proper.
God I remember salivating over Voodoo2 gfx card ads like they were centerfolds.
Loving LGR, a lot of great content and reviews plus all the great stuff you find at thrift shops. Hope another thrift shop video is coming soon. Ever think of doing a review of Starlancer?
Very nice review! Thanks!
MechWarrior 2 series :)
Ace pilot from all three games here. I would have to say that this line of games was probably the best representation of space combat.
Great review as always and thank you for the new lgr website re-design, it was fantastic CD\, DIR and finding your list of games, real throw back to the old days.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
My friends and I played this at work on their LAN. They had several Windows PCs and we surreptitiously installed this on several machines. Our job was to 'man the phones overnight for roadside assistance' but we would really spend the nights in dog fights that were occasionally interrupted by a ringing phone. Good times indeed!!!
I wish they still made this series. Definitely one of my favorites as a kid.
It's crazy how similar Star Wars Squadrons is to the X Wing and Tie Fighter games. I love it!
I had an unofficial expansion for this game too. One mission had you fighting a Star Destroyer that was constantly spinning on its axis.
Your childhood experience and my childhood experience with this game was basically exactly the same, except I somehow got my dad to buy me a joystick to play it with.
Great stuff. This is my father-in-law's favorite game of all time!
I still love this game. It was my first Star Wars game on the PC, too!. Lots of hours spent on this game. Fond memories of multiplayer in a clan on MSN Gaming Zone.
I had this when I was younger, think I still do. It is hard to tell with how tightly everything is packed around the house. I played this very often along with X-Wing and later Shadows of the Empire for the N64. Also had the Dark Forces sequels. Anyone else feel like playing these instead of the new Battlefront?
I remember being in the top 10 on Case's Ladder for this game. My first competitive online game I played. One person would host for 5 minutes, then the other would host. The person hosting would be at a disadvantage because of the lag. When balance of power came out the advantage switched to the person hosting.
Oh man, now I really want to buy that whacky Farm Simulator control panel and play some flight sims with it.
This game was a major part of my childhood, I sadly missed the other entries in the series as a kid, but I thankfully had the expansion anyways. I loved watching my dad play then hop on myself and blast me some rebel scum. I really wish there was a new entry in the series. Space combat is my favorite thing in sw
Balance of Power was my all time favorite PC game I ever played. I spent hours playing that game. When internet access became more... accessible, I downloaded mods for it that made it even more fun. Somewhere in a tote full of old PC stuff, I still have the disks.
Man, that death scream/music haunted my childhood
what do you recommend for joysticks for modern windows from old windows games? and tell us compabitlity issues u came across running the game.
Love this game, Watto song never left my head ever since I played it. Glad to hear it's in GoG
Ha! I've been waiting for this review, I loved this game as a kid
I remember spending far too much for this game brand new at Toys R Us (more than I paid for X-Wing Alliance prior!) and having an absolute blast with the game regardless of the multiplayer-heavy focus. A long-time favorite of mine, and a game that I hope to be able to try out online sometime soon since I never even bothered with it back in the day.
I had a very similar experience. I LOVED TIE Fighter and couldn't wait to play this but when I finally got to I found it confusing and unimpressive. I never knew about the expansion. That would've helped.
This game along with Duke Nukem 3D, Total Annihilation and Warcraft 2... The LAN parties of the late 90s for me. Great memories. Though I used to lug 2 PCs around (plus CRT monitors ...) which kinda spoiled it a bit. Another great vid LGR!
I loved this game wayback when...
I loved the A-wing!
Loved this game in the old days. Looking forward now to Squadrons which seems similar.
How did you configure the rotation?
THAT LASER SOUND is engraved in my brain.
played a ton on the gaming zone (with AOL dial up).
Also, I booted up a few years ago and played a few rounds with friends via Game Ranger. Still fun remembering the tips and tricks on some missions.
I remember the game came in 2 CDs. One was for the main game and the 2nd CD featured a limited multiplayer version of the game, which you could install on your friend's computer. My version had an interesting manufacturing screw up. The labels between those CDs had somehow been switched in the factory. It caused some head scratching the first time I installed the game.
What a great series. I'm up to over 470 games on GOG hehe.
+Classic Contagious Gaming OK your GOG is bigger than my GOG!
+daishi5571
Hehehe 660 on Steam. I collect games way too much.
Classic Contagious Gaming You may have a bigger GOG (409) but I have more Steam (873) lol.
+daishi5571
Haha awesome, shoot me a friend request if you so desire (Cncfreak).
Back ind the day I never had a chance to play this but played a lot of original Tie Fighter. My first SW game was Dark Forces - always will love this game.
3:30 - OK, that was worth a chuckle.
There was a mission editor that we got hold of. EPIC! you could make any mission you wanted. Also we played over lan, Good times :)
AWESOME!! i almoust seer a tear! almoust. the sound and the soundtrack we unique at that time!
I remember playing this game on my old Compaq computer it was magical back then to me impossibly still is today
I had this game back then. And I had a lot of fun with it!!
I liked this game back in the day and I played it solo only. My favorite fighter was the Tie-Advanced: maneuverable, fast, missile options, shields for durability, and 4 lasers instead of 2 lasers. I always shot with 4 lasers simultaneously - only then had I the feeling of being able to hit someone, instead of fast-firing one laser at a time.
There was a group called Emperor's Hammer that created SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much content for this game....so many missions, campaigns, you could even pilot different spacecrafts if I am not mistaking...
Great video LG, brought back many memories, I still think xwing was the best of the bunch even if it did have some pretty impossible missions, I hope some day they remake it :)
Agreed, never really got to play it multiplayer so I missed out on the big ass selling point. But Tie Fighter ...that was one of the best starwars games ever, it made you feel like you were actually part of the military of the empire. Doing missions around and during war, having a flagship and really intriguing story elements that unfolded as you played.
It wasn't action railed to the ceiling all the time but, hell it was almost a rogue like with how fragile Tie Fighters are 1-3 hits and your character can actually die in the cockpit forcing you to reset your score or make a new character
I loved that game back in the day. I got it as part of the collector's edition. It prompted me to throw a Star Wars themed mini LAN party using my then new Pentuim 3 with Voodoo 3 card and my frind on my old Pentuim 2 with Voodoo 2.
kudos for theme hospital on the shelf. that game was the bomb
I started my personal PC experience way back in the day with X-Wing. I still have the boxed edition. I also have XvT in the boxed edition. Imagine those games done in modern state of the art graphics that could push a Titan RTX to its limits - it would be like flying in the original trilogy.
Do you have X-Wing Alliance in your collection?
On GOG, yes! But physically I actually do not, I've been on the lookout for a complete copy.
Lazy Game Reviews Hope you can find one :)
+Lazy Game Reviews please do alliance.
You should do X Wing Alliance! I honestly think it's not only the best star wars game ever made, but also the most underrated!
Good review. Remember owning it, but not buying it. Thought I was the only one that remembered this game, but thats why I subscribe to LGR ;) Got to get the joystick out now.
I laughed way too hard at teenage Clint's first impressions.
Man, Rogue Squadron was the balls. I’d love to see a review of that🤞🏻
I saw this game at friends house played a few hours and hooked me so much I bought my first pc just to play this game it was a Pentium 166 with 16meg 1.2 gig hdd
I played X-Wing, Tie Fighter, and X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter... all among my top 5 favorite games of all times.
X-Wing Alliance was one of my first games, and I had to get a Joystick for it too!
+MantroX Everyone always seems to forget about X-Wing Alliance. Best of the series by far, I thought, and the modding community was brilliant.
Aw yeah, Otana was awesome!
+MantroX
I still have, and use, my Sidewinder joystick that I bought just to play these games:)
I absolutely loved this game in the late 90s.
I still have this awesome game... Came out with the expansion too.
There was an old game I used to play around sixteen years or so ago named Cyberrace(Or Cyber Race?)
Used to play it or Dune =P If you can find it you should check it out. Haven't seen the game anywhere since then, but likely some people remember it that watch this channel.
Thanks for video. Much love.
Played the heck out of X-Wing and Tie Fighter back in the day.