Edward Teller - Going to see Einstein give a lecture (31/147)
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Hungarian-American physicist, Edward Teller (1908-2003), helped to develop the atomic bomb and provided the theoretical framework for the hydrogen bomb. He remained a staunch advocate of nuclear power, calling for the development of advanced thermonuclear weapons. [Listener: John H. Nuckolls]
TRANSCRIPT: Now, I would like to tell you a few stories about the same period. It was a wonderful period, a period full of new discoveries, full of new, new knowledge. And also full of people who have understood what is going on only in part. I want to tell you one story involving myself. Heisenberg, from time to time, recommended to his students to go up to Berlin, to the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, and listen to some iner-interesting talks. And so, on his advice, with all of my 21 or 22 years, I went to listen to a lecture by Einstein, of his later theories in which he explains relativity and electromagnetism with the same ideas. I listened carefully and I understood everything for the first 30 seconds. And after that I understood less and less and less. And when in the end he finished and some of us including Eugene Wigner went to talk- went to walk in the zoological garden, beautiful sunshine, there I was completely desperate. And Eugene, an old friend and a very kind person, comes to me- What's the matter? And I answered him, in Hungarian, in very simple terms. I said- I am so stupid. And now, Wigner basically, very basically, the kindest of all men, should have contradicted me but he didn't. He said- Yes, stupidity is a general human property. Now, you know, the remarkable thing is that, that, that he made me feel much better. That sounded like the truth- All right, I'm stupid; so is everybody else. The point that I did not know then but I know now, that among the people who did not understand what Einstein was saying was Einstein himself. He did wonderful things until 1920, at which time I don't know, he was not yet forty years old, I believe. After that he tried to explain everything and did not succeed. - Věda a technologie
In 1972, or so, I was second-year graduate student of Teller's at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory. One afternoon I went to his class only to find a note taped to the door, "Class cancelled. Heisenberg speaking in Berkeley at Physics Auditorium" and the time, which I don't remember - but there was just time to make it. I listened carefully and understood everything for the first 30 seconds, and then less and less. It was a totally crushing experience. Heisenberg's topic was then current pioneering work in what was to become known later as string theory. To hear Dr. Teller tell this story 50 years later is wonderful.
F Nazi Heisenberg
String Theory is pretty much debunked. So you did well not to give it much attention.
@@jeffwads? Debunked? By what series of experiments?
@@kw7807By all of them. Physics used to be about making mathematical models to explain certain real-world observations or phenomena. With String Theory, they built a mathematically beautiful model, but they have consistently failed to provide any observation matching the model.
@@rafarequeni822 it hasn’t been debunked. It hasn’t been tested. The energy levels are at the Planck length. So it hasn’t been tested as such. So until we can test it, we shouldn’t really believe it until then.
"But even stupid people often make fine scientists. However wonderful a receptive mind may be, it is not central to science. Nor is mental speed. To persist in your inquiry and to engage in it fruitfully-this is what makes a first-rate scientist. Curiosity, diligence, and ambition are traits far more essential than imagination. And stupid people are often remarkably well-endowed with these traits." ~Eugene Wigner
From "The Recollections of Eugene P. Wigner"
Oppenheimer did not posses that trait. He jumped from topic to topic making remarkable observations along the way. His mind was never focused, a fact he lamented in his later years (because he was not able to finish a bunch of theories that he started)
I have a Ph.D. in Statistics. When I was an advanced graduate student I became friends with a brilliant scientist at Bell Labs who also was a statistician. One evening I was at his house and I told him how worried I was because I only understood 20% of what I read. He said, don't worry you get used to not understanding. I worried less after that and learned more.
I could and have listened to Teller's stories for hours. Feynman too. 👍
When my Dad was working as a maintenance man at E.P.R.I. Electric Power Research Institute in California he picked up Dr. Teller at the airport and was bringing him there for a lecture or talk something like that and he asked my Dad what do you think I should talk to them about today and my Dad said well I don't know? Then he wanted to look in his briefcase which was in the very back of the station wagon my Dad was driving. My Dad said I can just pull over and get it for you but he said no that's alright and he climbed over the front seat and the back seat to get his case then climbed back again into the front seat. One of those stories I remember from my Dad I thought I would share.
I think Teller was a total dick.
@@ycuyTeller says to your dad, “You don’t need to stop, if I can *make Hydrogen Weapons, I can *make it over this seat” LOL Really is a super cool story.
Try these interviews, they’re awesome.
Hans Bethes interview here is solid , very rigorous mind, excellent at speaking technically, but even more fascinating is he can explain complex things on a scale where anybody can understand, Richard Feynman was the same.
Freeman Dyson’s interview was a shock to me as he was insanely dynamic, he deeply understood many fields, in fact Hans Bethe even says in his interview that he was surprised at how intelligent he was.
Stupidity is a general human property - kind person to Teller (made him feel better, lol) 2:29
No better part of my college experience was 'having about 5 one-on-one conversations with Edward Teller' around 1974-5. These videos capture an older Teller exceptionally well - I was part of the 'hydrogen car project' at UCLA. He was less likely to show his explosive tendencies in these later videos, but Freeman Dyson very accurately puts Teller in an accurate 1974 light ... I was exceptionally impressed with Teller - and he was very un-inclined to be overly-cordial in 1974 as the 'hydrogen car project professor' would semi-affectionately refer to Teller as "His Holiness" - That said, Teller was a magnificent mentor!!
Albert Einstein made contributions to physics. His brother Frank made a monster.
Needs a deeper look, that is a amazing coincidence. Look at what Einstein is "the Father" of, I can't think of a bigger monster.
You may have just broke the simulation. The name Frank is of German origin and means "free".
@streamofconsciousness5826 keep thinking, you're definitely on to something
"I am very stuupid"
"Yes it is a general human tendency"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
2:44 ... love that ...
Property, not tendency
Einstein was tutored by Amalie Emmy Noether[1}, but how many physicists in that time knew tensor calculus, and it is said that his creative period was over when he and his first wife separated.
[1] Perhaps the foremost mathematician of the 20th century. She proved the equivalence of symmetries in physics with conservation laws. IOW, for every symmetry there is a conservation law and vise versa. It's well worth reading the
wikipedia article to connect with your intellectual heritage.
@@walterbushell7029 she couldn’t hold a candle to mathematician geniuses like Von Neumann.
To promote work on the H bomb Teller declared death by radiation would be a euphoric experience.
Happy to say that I got to meet Wigner as a physics grad student in 1982 or 83, when he came to UAF - Geophysical Institute in Alaska.
Einstein was simply a genius with a mind and knowledge beyond the level of others
Such a remarkable man..
Einstein’s ER and EPR papers as well as Bose-Einstein condensate prediction all came after 1920 though.
The importance of ER = EPR was not understood in Teller's lifetime.
@@rlsfrny But the importance of ER and EPR separately WAS well understood.
... as a German Biologist - it may be the Opposite. When we are young and over enthused - we may construct stuff - that is not in tune with Nature- but it sounds and looks Genius. Later on - we may become more humble and accept - what appears to be Genius - may be juvenile madness. Nature may be so complex - it may be undecipherable for any human. Like any Picture - a poor limited attempt to present something -
Sometimes it feels the more I learn in math the more I am learning the constraints of previous thinkers. When you sum them all up over time it could be that you are seeing the problems through the lens of others, the hallway gets smaller and smaller.
Sure you can make imaginative leaps still, but it seems almost necessarily less likely - 'think before you jump' scenarios; whereas if you are young and have less of this theory in your mind you are more likely to just jump. Obviously you will be stupidly wrong a lot of the time, but then you have more chance of being crazily right, and crazily right seems to get us over giant gaps.
I really enjoy the fact that physics theory and music theory are similar in that every theorist is right but no one agrees with him.
I love how he pronounced Einstein as “Einstein.”
Einshtein
what's the difference ?
@@joem0088 that's how it's pronounced in german
@@joem0088Hungarians, which Teller was, often pronounce an S in English as an "sh" sound, which is why you also often head Budapest be pronounced as "Budapesht"
2:53 Fair enough.
Teller was on staff at UC Davis in 1962.
A great story!
Puny Poppy why? Because it is TRUE!
At a certain point the most anyone can do is measure the presence of absence, and assume the equation (at that time) that appears to be the most suitable fit.
“Stupidity should hurt more!” Then we would learn more.
Dr.Teller’s right hand gesture must indicate some degree of stress or concentration. The point is that most of us, even the smartest, are not at all competent to understand what we do not know…..
All Physicists should try CIG Theory!
God told Einstein "Don't give them all the possibilities, just enough to get them thinking."
And Einstein replied, "Is that you Spinoza?"
Shots fired!
Teller was a fundamentally selfish and evil albeit intellectually brilliant man who would throw anyone under the bus who got in his way or interfered with his ambitions.
Why do you say he was evil?
@@jobidden2073he watched oppenheimer😂
cave man style fear uncontaminated by knowledge@@jobidden2073
eeeeeeviiiil is a concept cave people used to explain the unknown and the scary. there is exactly zero evil, it cannot be quantified, it does not consist of matter made from elements in the periodic table. As a psychological construct, it offers cold comfort to those who quit trying to learn or who feel some kind of existential threat from the realities revealed by quantum mechanics, and probably even classical physics.
Wow.
Isn't that the trajectory of folks like that? Well, wait, I'm thinking of exceptions, now, but don't these extraordinary folks lose that intense light after thirty.
Nah Einstein himself came up with General Relativity at about 35 years of age. Also, some guy in his 80s got a Nobel in Chemistry very recently and he's still working on new ideas!
The guy in his 80s is named Goodenough (funny, I know!)-go look him up!
@Reed Morris Interesting. Who?
@Reed Morris Oh okay. Thanks!
@Reed Morris Thanks! Interesting to know-quite an inspiring journey.
Interesting story about the fallacy of genius.
You don't have to understand something to solve it, get the correct answer, apply it etc. Often times truly understanding something can be a large hinderance. I was a "why? child and it followed me into young adulthood. One day a teacher brought out a capacitor and SMASHED it into dust with a hammer. Stop asking WHY to everything now and just know that it does what it does. The WHY will come to you later. "BTW...The next one cost you $2.25 cents... That one was on me." I "got it" and learning was much easier.
He looks like Henry Kissinger
According to Frank Zappa, it is the most common element in the universe, as opposed to hydrogen.
Zappa. One of the most obnoxiously smug and pretentious narcissists ever to strut and smirk on the earth.
Therefore; British is for Britain people and Breton is for Brittany people of NW France.
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He testified against Oppenheimer.. Villian in history
I guess you came to this conclusion after watching a recent american drama movie?
@@csibesz07 no i saw teller 20 years ago, he was evil then
Unless Oppenheimer wanted out. Who wants the intelligence agencies watching all the time?
Oppenheimer had too many connections with the Communists. The third world war did not happen, but it does not mean it could not. Anyone who has real power and responsibilities knew that Oppenheimer was not fit to have the security clearance, except for the intellects who had no power but big mouths. If Russian did not start the invasion, many intellects in US would still think Communists are not a threat to the world. The only reason people think Teller is a villain, but not Oppenheimer, is simply because US did not have a war with USSR.
@csibesz07 id say it more so something else. Teller is portrayed as complex. Good and bad, like everybody.
Were just so used to showing bad = villain that this lunatic claims Teller is a villain.
The way this guy talk reminds me of the Seinfeld “ Pony “ episode .
"Who figures an immigrant is gonna have a pony?"
Who wants to leave a country packed with ponies to come to a non pony country!
I get Bella Lugosi/:Ed Wood vibes.
The Omega minus is the equation of product of m SA ss
This guy know about alien technology in area 51. He knows it all.
Like Jordan Maxwell
Yep
Teller wasn’t a particularly nice guy. He testified against Oppenheimer in a kind of grudge revenge act. Einstein was on a totally different level from Teller intellectually. Its not surprising Einstein couldn’t come up with a unified theory as no one has been able to achieve it since.
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RE: Human stupidity
Einstein was tutored by Amalie Emmy Noether[1}, but how many physicists in that time knew tensor calculus, and it is said that his creative period was over when he and his first wife separated.
[1] Perhaps the foremost mathematician of the 20th century. She proved the equivalence of symmetries in physics with conservation laws. IOW, for every symmetry there is a conservation law and vise versa. It's well worth reading the
wikipedia article to connect with your intellectual heritage.
Her contributions were almost lost due to masculine arrogance.
she was amazing but i think Hilbert is probably the most influential mathematician of the 20th century
And where did you read that story, may I ask? Can you give your source(s)? As far as I know, it was Marcel Grossmann who helped Einstein with tensor calculus. Emmy Noether never worked with Einstein: in 1915, he was in Berlin and she was in Goettingen...(See,e.g., "Subtle is the Lord..." by Abraham Pais.
@@georgesmelki1 This person is trying to prove the “toxic patriarchy” idiocy. It’s a testament to what Teller says in this video. “Stupidity IS a general human property” but some people have a special talent for it! That last part is mine. Imho, Von Neumann was the most capable mathematical mind of the 20th century.
Einstein praised Noether's work but I don't think he was ever tutored by her.
Source?
A killer of mankind. We are the walking dead thanks to this man.
This man's work prevented innumerable horrific deaths in war. Men of immeasurable malice have wrought the world into a place of misery and injustice, don't blame the scientists, whose childlike curiosity about the natural world keeps them grounded in sanity. The politicians, policy experts, and financiers have no such grounding.
Another genius Jewish mind
The plant is growing!Louket the next distance of history! Mayby hamer of flint? Feri.
His story might be very interesting, but i do not like the way he told the story.
How so?
It was told in Hungarian, with an English accent. 😁
On the contrary I loved the way he expresses. It’s very unique and personal. We get to know more about the man when his uniqueness is expressed.
Teller was the teller of many stories that others did not like
e.teller is an arrogant man in general, also selfish morally
Self deprecating? My arse....but he really should be. He lived his whole life the shadow of THE Great Man - "Einshteyn". He's a worm, in comparison.
@@medved3027 medved or Medvedev? What's the difference. You say tomatoes, I say tomatoes. Just means you are a lackey for life. What would a lackey know?!!!!!!
He was awful
saw teller at USAFA< his accent was so bad Hungarian after 50 years in the USA
Tjey told me her was passed on and he gave them to me before that
Teller was a backstabbing worm of a man who rode other's intellects and then stole the credit. He was without loyalty.