Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: AML60 Part 1
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2024
- A massive export success providing reasonable capability for a very affordable cost, the Panhard AML series of armored cars would be found in service with over 50 nations. Ireland had several variants, these two videos will cover the CS and HB variants.
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I'd like to imagine that Chieftain's career as a commander started from the fact that it was the only crew position he could fit into.
I really appreciate the lack of background music. This alone puts those videos above the WG ones.
WG was paying him and for the trips to video the vehicles for it so it was worth tolerating it.
The old ones were good even with the music. These ones are even better.
I can appreciate the music, but I wish it was a tad quieter. Sometimes the mix is very loud and it can be difficult to hear exactly what's being said.
Agree!
The loud music and constant cuts to a title screen were annoying AF...
I trained on this and the 90mm cannon version in the South African Army. The 60mm breach loaded mortar could be fired in either traditional indirect or (less conventionally) direct fire mode at ranges of up to 300m. Direct fire mode was a hoot, and great for lobbing shells into buildings.
World of Aggressively-Monetized, Mostly Imaginary, Mostly Armoured, Mostly Somewhat Tank-Like Vehicles has long since lost its luster for me, but I truly love your content here~💛
I couldn't say it better!
You mean World of Bots.
you turned sixteen?
@@DrLoverLover ... weirdly negative remark but ok?
I switched to War Thunder and can't believe I wasted so much time and money playing WoT
HB looks like a Dalek themed variant. I can imagine it running down the road bradcasting, "Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!" on a chassis mounted loudspeaker.
Shout out to the guy in the background @7:30,getting his priorities right, and making a brew up.
😂😂😂 nothing like a good cuppa tea
Takom released a series of aml 60 and 90 . The 60 is ref 2084
Tiger model also released a full interior version of the 90 , ref 4635
he was probably looking for one such kit long ago, where Azimut was pretty much the only company making interesting french kit
it's better now but there was a time when enjoyers of french kit in 1:35 were on suicide watch as the 356th model of Pz IV Ausf H nibelungenwerke juni-august 1944 was being put out and all you had to satisfy your plastic french armour needs were either a 10 year old AMX-30B or a H39 in french variant that only existed because the same company was making a stuka zu fuss variant
@@quentintin1 well , worst case scenario , whoever wants to build one has a reference now
Both are out of stock everywhere I looked, seems they are currently out of production
Still available from China via eBay and Ali @@sternencolonel7328
I understand why the public isn't allowed, but it'd be cool to be able to putter around a vehicle in a museum opening doors and hatches saying "what's this" like the Chieftain gets to.
Souvenir hunters or collectors looking for authentic spare parts for their own vehicles makes this, sadly, unlikely.
Even if it were one or two vehicles that might be stripped down a bit for safety or whatever else. It would be fun for patrons of these armor museums to understand what it was like for the crews who operated these vehicles. Standing beside them is one thing, by being able to climb in and get an idea of what it was like would be really cool
Ending on a Cliffhanger, Dun Dun Dun Daaaaa!
Ah! A cliffhanger!
Tune in next time to see if the The Chieftain will fit. Same Chieftain time, same Chieftain channel! (I'm dating myself a bit. 🦇)
Obviously an Adam West fan.
@@TheChieftainsHatchisn't everyone an Adam West fan?
@@EmyrDerfel Who's Adam West?
Never mind I will google it.
@@CGM_68 Hand in your nerd card and get your coat. There's a taxi waiting outside.
@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 I do recall seeing him on TV as a kid, never knew his name was other than Batman though.
That car last served with 3 Cav in Clonmel and on delivery were equipped with 7.5mm AA52 replaced with 7.62 MAG 80. The CS mortar was replaced with a new mantle and a Manroy .5, the nomenclature then changed to AML 127. Spent many a time crewing that car.
Chieftain vs AML60: Round 2
Lets gooooo!!
My Grandad and Dad were deployed alongside these in Lebanon, the battle of At Tiri could be considered Ireland's first armor on armor battle? Either way it's incredible to read about.
To the cheiftain, any war musem or collection of war vehicles is a gold mine :P
I'm really hoping for a new Comet episode. One of the few tanks Ireland ever had.
He did it before though, I get claustrophobia just thinking of him trying to fit through those horrible hull hatches.
Fantastic episode! Its amazing to get to see the Irish armour as we are a small nation, with very limited military budget's. The first one you presented on the Irish Cavalry opened up a stack of memory's and I dug out photo's of my Dad and his comrades in service during the Emergency. But it was the memory of asking my uncle Joseph about the horses and him saying there were none, but lots of bicycle's. I always thought he was pulling our legs.
Thanks again for all your work, it's always great getting a straightforward and 'crewman' perspective of having to live with these vehicles outside of combat. Hard 'stats' never convey the vehicle's actual characteristics.
Those "ball swivels" are not for articulation per say. Those are the CV joint housings, they're just full enclosed. Vs the more common open universal joint with king pins, that the USA typically uses.
Isn't articulation the entire point of a CV joint or universal joint? And those look like actual spherical joints to me, they locate the hubs while allowing the wheel to turn. A simple CV joint is just a collar on a shaft, and the only purpose it serves is to allow the shaft to articulate. Those are taking the place of the steering knuckle and bearing on a solid axle. If you look under a typical modern car you will see a strut that locates the wheel, typical a knuckle to allow the wheel to turn, and in the center a prop shaft with a sleeved CV joint in a rubber accordion housing. The only purpose the shaft and CV serves is to transmit power to the wheel, while the primary purpose of a spherical joint like that is to locate the wheel, although there is likely a CV joint inside of it.
And it's _per se_ , it's Latin. FYI.
Loving the old pic of you next to one. It's always a treat when you upload a new video!
Don't know about 1/35th, but Ace made a whole range of AMLs in 1/72nd.
The 60mm + 12.7mm combo was a standard option on the AML.
WOW, great stuff, thanks.
Your series is gold.
Love your work , keep it up.
from the north..belfast..love ur vids ..great ur back home in the isle ❤😂
Huge fan of Panhard vehicles for some reason. They're just cool I guess.
Takom makes both the AML60 and AML90 in 1/35 scale as a plastic injection mold kit. I built the AML90, but converted to an Eland 90.
I´m glad to help a fellow modeller here, cheers Chieftain :)
"Borrowed Ferrets" gave me an image of animals before armoured cars...
Very nice.
The Brandt 60mm look perfect for Gendarmerie work.
I can hardly wait to see how pt2 goes.
Chieftain reviews are unmatched!
Hey, how fast is that thing in reverse? 😬
Col. I understand your pain on getting crammed into APC's Tanks and armored cars.... I remember the first Bradley I saw driving on tank trail in Graf. I asked WTF is that as an 11B over 6ft tall, then about 2 years later i was transferred to 3AD for Desert Shield and Storm. Then in January 91, I'm trying to fit inside one with my M-60 machine gun and gear. 😮
Thanks Chief train
Oooh an AML60. I always wondered why breech-loading mortars and other low-velocity high explosive guns don't make it onto light wheeled vehicles more often. Seems an easy way to put some heavy fire support into infantry sections without the logistical footprint of tracked vehicles.
basically two things:
-if you need a mortar, a truck with a 81mm chucked in the back will do just as well for a fraction of the cost
-if you need an armoured vehicle, the 60mm (or 81mm, they did make one of those too) lacked punch for anything more than a machine gun nest
plus needs for protection and all sorts of electronics aides and, sensors and management systems made the vehicles grow larger, thus heavier and then you're looking at a 20t+ vehicle (the AML in it's original configuration was 4.5 metric tonnes), a mere mortar is suddenly not cutting it anymore
the AML shined in asymmetric warfare, fighting forces that often lack in heavy weapons or (armoured) vehicles of their own, but not every country needs that, and even less can justify buying a fleet of armoured cars just to do COIN (france can with the various commitments to africa, where the AML enjoyed a lot of it's service)
I've always thought they should adapt the 120mm mortar shell to the 120mm main gun of tanks. A cheap and easy to create shell for all non tank purposes.
Easy to lob anywhere you might want. Low enough recoil for the main gun to deal with. Fin stabilized so it's useful in an unrifled gun.
Plus plenty of HE and fragments to deal with normal non tank targets. Such as machine guns, fighting positions, mud hits and anything else soldiers normally run into.
I'd bet adopting it into an M1 would be really quick and easy. Especially now in the computer age. When you don't need to add extra switches and programming in a new round is so much easier.
It's like the US forgot tanks deal with not tanks way, way more often than they deal with other tanks.
@@edwardscott3262 the US didn't forgot that tanks deal with non tank things, they went a different way about it
that different way is M1147 Advanced Multi Purpose (AMP), combination of HEAT-FS and HE-Frag with programmable fuse (impact, impact delay, airburst), it's implemented to replace:
-M830 HEAT
-M830A1 HEAT-MP (heat, but with proxy fuse against helicopters)
-M1028 CAN (imagine a shotgun shell, but tank-sized)
-M908 HE-OR (HE, but specialised for anti structure work)
this allows to reduce the number of service rounds from 5 to 2, with one round against heavy armour, and the other for everything else
adding to that, the US doesn't really uses the 120mm mortar and it's associated ammunition, at least not anymore
the USMC did field some numbers of the (under the designation M327), but it was only 66 pieces and between the years of 2008 and 2017
also the western 120mm mortar is a rifled piece and the rounds use pre-rifled bands, so that means a gun-specific variant of the shell would need to be made, and of course there is mounting the projectile so it can be properly handled by the gun
in the end you just turn back into having a specific HE round for the 120mm gun with little commonality with the mortar, and compared to the rounds actually in service, also represent a loss of capability
Because man portable mortars and antitank munitions are cheaper and often most other nations focused on air support power and had or built large quantities of large long range artillery and many nations just used ifv's for the same roles instead
This the french renault ft 17 tank, and the m8 greyhound was always my favorites, they just always looked so cool and seemed so useful.
Prior to watching this video I was mercifully ignorant of the existence of the M3 VTT but having seen it I now strongly believe that it is the single most aesthetically unpleasing armored vehicle in human history.
All opportunities must be taken for a brew
The Chieftain in his AML jammies. 😊
I realize you are talking about the armored car, but the bit at the start where you say "and they borrowed for a short while some ferrets" is hilarious out of context.
6:43: Typical a cigarette butt in the stowage bin.
Atop the rags in a surely oil soaked stowage locker. Edgy...
I thought all stowage bins came with a cigarette butt preinstalled?
no oxygen down there
@@DrLoverLover Yeah there is.
its very dark in there can you remind the irish that lights in buildings are something most of the world has
I like these video's of less well known vehicles.
This was brilliant. And my comment from my other video came true; chieftain is reviewing the AMLs! Will lightning strike twice and perhaps chieftain may review the AML-90? or even a scorpion cvrt?? Does the republic even have any of them preserved??
7:30. I hope it's Lyons Gold Label, with either Polo, Marietta, or (dare I say) chocolate Kimberley...
Good volume .
TY Chieftain for the Irish use of them. I read these were also popular with South African forces in the bush wars, where their agility and smaller size worked well. The 90 mm version was defeating T-55's by manouver, and first shot kills. Pretty good for armored car.
You mean three shot kills with that low velocity 90mm. Training was to get to the rear and get off at least three shots before bugging out else that 100mm gun gets pointed at you and made you a grease spot in the bush. This was from experience that one shot typically did not stop the T-55 and statistically it took three up the arse to disable it. The training and strategy was successfull as the other side usually was not very well trained in operating the tank, unless of course they were Cuban's finest.
@@lawrencespellacy6037 Yes, I take your word as correct, and I saw the low powered 90 shell ,it had 6 fins , short length , more like a mortar bomb. I salute the bravery , an skill to use it effective. Good training vs. bad training says a lot too , when outgunned, and under weight, but still kicken azz. Great job.
It's sooo cute.
Should look into the Cavs crazy mess arounds with vehicles, Aml 90 turret on a timoney, Fox turret on Aml, 25mm on aml and so on, Would love to know more aboutt them &, timoneys concepts too
Ref the UN deployments, in UFICYP there were, amongst others, ( still are?) BritCon, CanCon, FinCon and my all time favourite ICON! Up the Micks :)
Very interesting. A shame that the Irish Military has always been underfunded
I hope you're going to say more about that mortar. What kind of range? What are the munition options?
What a time it was to explore the awesome new tanks WG were planning with ol Chief behind it to boost premium sales.
Oh well. P2P was cringe and still is
Looks a bit chilly in the workshop.
Takom and Tiger Model offer the AML, in 1/35 scale.
FINALLY MY FAVOURITE MILITARY VEHICLE :DDDDDDDDD
_Today from our so very popular series:_
*Does Chieftain fiit into . . . an AML 60?*
If 1/72 is your scale then it is available from ACE models along with the AML -90 and the M3 VTT apc....including an actual "Irish" variant
so are we going to do see panhard ebr in the future? on the inside the hatch? :)
The angling on the armor seems to be heavily soviet-influenced. Pike-nose hull is IS-3 shaped, turret seems like a beefed-up BMP-1 turret, I just love the way the back of the turret is shaped. Every armor plate is angled like someone thought a lot about how to deflect incoming rounds.
It was a trend for armoured vehicles of the french this time. AMX-50 Surbaisse, to a degree Lorraine, Panhard EBR and AML have all the pike nose in some form.
4:20 Nah !! My samurai has a similar closed knuckle system, it has lower and upper king pins that only serves for steering, you can see the wear marks on the ball !
I do believe the younger part.
damn it cliffhanger xD
They were worried about 12.7mm fire enough to mount their own, but only had 8mm of armour.
13:40 honestly that sounds like the start or a Ballard " oh many many moons ago when i were a young lad, with colour in me hair a recruited Sargent said to me . alright get in the back, and tryed to stuff me into one of these something something something high germany
I struggled to get into the one at Littlefields
tiger model made it in 1/35 scale and aml90 too.
I’ve heard of KPA, PSI and BAR but never KGM for pressure and never seen it on a tyre pump gauge
I think he meant Newton/m² or 1 Pascal... 10⁵ Pa is 1 Bar - which is the usual shorthand used for values of N/m²
Takom and Tiger make AML90 models in 1/35 and Takom makes an AML60 variant.
Seems to be a common thing in the age of mobility, under powered engines.
The 35th scale feels are too real, I'm a big fan of French armour and finding decent kits of it is so hard.
Are there lights in that building?
I wish Tamiya or Italeri would make a 1/35 scale kit of this little vehicle.
Takom made 1/35 AML-60 and AML-90, Tiger Model made AML-90
What is that white car on the right of the AML?
I have ALWAYS been curious on the use just how you do armored car things with a 60mm breach mortar as a gun. Guns.. get that. Howitzers sure. Mortars? Direct fire? What? SO confused.
Fundamentally it isn't really any different than a gun. These breach loading mortars generally operate like a normal gun with a trigger, firing pin, etc unlike the muzzle loading mortars commonly seen in media.
It is also worth keeping in mind that these were developed primarily for counter-insurgency operations. For these purposes, the French favoured a quick, agile armoured car that can move quickly and respond to attacks. And a low velocity mortar can put out a significantly larger boom for it's weight than a gun. And when your enemies don't have well developed fortifications and armour and your engagements are at close range, you don't need velocity or penetrating power just a big boom.
In a lot of ways, it is probably similar to the Mk 19 grenade launcher (bigger boom but lower rate of fire).
If facing down the Red Army in the Fulda Gap, things may be a bit different but it really makes a lot of sense for what the French Army was doing in the 1960s.
Chieftain, Perun needs some voice over work done, you would be the best choice until he gets feeling better.
I don't suppose there's going to be a aml 60-20 to look at? That's a interesting variant I don't entirely understand.
Is that armour layout an attempt at a pike nose, or just angled out to provide space? Thanks for the content.
An attempt to reduce the number of welded plates in the fabrication perhaps. "AML hulls are assembled from only 13 welded pieces." With a maximum armour plate thickness of 20 mm, it's not going to increase frontal protection by much.
@@CGM_68 yea makes sense. Thanks.
Am I imagining things or does the Chieftain sound a little more Irish than usual? 😁
Was the caliber 50 an M2, or Vickers or some other manufacturer?
Im not knocking my fellow irishmen i love that my ancestors came from Ireland but i do wish that we'd get some better tanks/planes if only for defensive purposes .
As far as aircraft are concerned we ALREADY have them and have had for years but you wouldn't know it to look at them....and you WONT find them based at Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel
Does it really matter. Their population is tiny, their armed forces are even smaller. So they don't have the people to staff large amounts of vehicles.
@agentcrm i AM Irish....what i was saying (in a roundabout kind of way ) is that for MANY years there has been an agreement between the govts of Ireland and the uk,regardless of which political party is in power in either country that the rhe defence of Irish airspace is the responsibility of the British Royal Air Force and NOT the Irish Air Corps which is neither trained nor equipped for such a role
@@jaws848Actually that is probably NOT the case. There is a secret agreement but it probably (from the little that has actually been officially reported) covers air policing only, like hijacked airliners, and maybe allowing the RAF to overfly Irish airspace to intercept threats to the U.K.
@@cormacmcsparron7454 is is the case
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Chieftan is still dismayed about not having any track to tension...
Takom make a 1/35 scale aml60
I absolutely hate how many kits of tigers are on the market compared to literally anything else. I don’t need 50 kits of the same vehicle from the same company ( dragon Tamiya )
why have the lights off forthe video?
Make him look even taller
When was this filmed and why is it so cold there?
It's Ireland. It was probably filmed in May or June...
You're not from around here, are you?
MOAR DAKKA IZ NEVAH AH STUPD IDEA YA SILY GIT!😊
Takom haver a 1/35 version
I wonder what the reaonsing is of putting two co-axial mg's in instead of one. I mean that they are both stuck in the same direction, so you can't choose to aquire different targets with them... So why is the fire of a singular machine gun not enough, and could it not be fixed otherwise, f.i. fitting a larger caliber single one.
Basically I am interested in the outcome of the trials that made them say : Lets put two machine guns next to each other, fixed, because otherwise we run into problem Y. I want to know the Y, so why?
I shall explain... In part 2
Takom make the AML 60 and 90 in 1/35
What are the Chances to see the Chieftain in a Wiesel?
I have my doubts about him fitting, that armored car is small!
Butlers printed models 3D
Badger 3D printed
They do scale models of these 😮
Hope that helps
25 years ago...this countries on fire..lets try and get out of here ！😂
i live in israel should i buy one? im pretty sure they are out of service and we have a bunch of them dont know if the idf sells sureplus for a normal price
I don't think driving about in an armored vehicle in a country thats actively trying to genocide a much smaller country is a good idea.
Are you short? They're cheerful little things, but you need to be of a certain stature
@@TheChieftainsHatch im def not tall i wish i had the money to buy one they cost like a expansive car which is fair
What's a Freedom fighter in the OLD WORLD?
Plot twist : Twas but an error of youth, Chieftain fits in the AML60 and should never have gone to gunnery.
Video from the front should have had exposure increased.
Back lit by the windows. We Irish are far too polite to impose on our hosts and ask to take the vehicle outside, because the lighting is terrible. I suspect he might have quickly worn out his welcome amongst the tea drinkers tribe.
@@CGM_68 Doesn't have to move the vehicle, just adjust the exposure. Can do it in post if not on site.
Question ; when can we meet the Sgt Major aka your wife ? I'm just a curious sort .
Oh it's pronounced Pan-hard (with the nasal 'an') not panard. Panard is a slang word for feet.