The Perfect "One Watch" - Calatrava, Patrimony, Ultra Thin or ... ?

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  • čas přidán 17. 04. 2019
  • A long discussion surrounding some of the most sought after dress watches in the world. The Patek Phillipe Calatrava, The Vacheron Constantin Patrimony Traditionnelle and the Jaeger Le-Coultre Master Grand Ultra Thin. The focus is around their designs and elements that may not be apparent to most.

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  • @alwong604
    @alwong604 Před 3 lety +150

    I think JLC should replace Audemars in the Holy Trinity

    • @jeffdj1975
      @jeffdj1975 Před rokem +14

      Fully agree! Also a. Lange & shone

    • @boop8621
      @boop8621 Před rokem +1

      Agreed. They’ve already been replaced in my mind

    • @jasonw9251
      @jasonw9251 Před rokem +6

      Don’t think so but I do think AP is getting really boring with only Royal Oaks in their lineup

    • @DavidWilliams-zn2nc
      @DavidWilliams-zn2nc Před rokem

      Absolutely agree, also in my opinion Patek also much more expensive…… can it really be justified, or is it just watch snobbery?

    • @marcelo1458
      @marcelo1458 Před rokem

      LMFAO

  • @GoTch4
    @GoTch4 Před 5 lety +3

    Excellent - you truly manage to offer a different viewpoint to all the watch channels out there.

  • @salvadorcano4494
    @salvadorcano4494 Před 5 lety +93

    The Vacheron is absolutely beautiful.

    • @Jay-xr3sb
      @Jay-xr3sb Před 2 lety +2

      I bought and returned the VC, it is nice but the lugs were very prominent

  • @silviubaziuc1268
    @silviubaziuc1268 Před 5 lety +19

    The Vacheron in the video is reference 82172/000R-9382 and it is 38mm in diameter.

    • @enriqueali
      @enriqueali Před 3 lety

      Correct! It’s also part of the Traditionnelle family. The 40mm model he appeared to refer to is from the Patrimony line. A careless and easily-avoided mixup

  • @juniorjohnson5961
    @juniorjohnson5961 Před 4 lety +15

    My pic is the J L C I enjoy looking at the moment also it automatic seal's the deal for me. Thoroughly enjoyed the video as always Thank You !👍

  • @PBlaik
    @PBlaik Před rokem +2

    I bought the Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle a week ago, just caught this older video now, but love how you describe it in such descriptive detail!

  • @lamplighter1
    @lamplighter1 Před 4 lety +2

    Your views and observations are as accurate and precise as the watches you are reviewing. Respect.

  • @mikemush9741
    @mikemush9741 Před 5 lety +3

    Fantastic video...Thanks so much for making it. I tend to agree that the Lange is the best of the bunch, but all of them look amazing.

  • @salvadorcano4494
    @salvadorcano4494 Před 5 lety +23

    Lange and VC are absolutely beautiful. Love the dial on the Lange. Love the display back of the VC. Own several steel sports pieces and would love to finish off my collection with one of these pieces.

  • @imranchowdhury4972
    @imranchowdhury4972 Před 5 lety +14

    Fantastic review. No other videos could hardly go this deep in one video covering four giants. But I like the JLC the most, it's really vivid.

  • @Dari92002
    @Dari92002 Před 5 lety +22

    I‘d go for the Jaeger-LeCoultre Master ultra thin but that mainly because of its looks an the fact that I love the brand

  • @SniperKing029
    @SniperKing029 Před rokem +1

    Videos like this are why I’m subscribed! Outstanding content

  • @walkerb1734
    @walkerb1734 Před rokem +22

    They are all amazing works of art. BUT….the JLC is just damn near perfect. Especially when you factor in price in relation to the others.

    • @closer71
      @closer71 Před 2 měsíci

      Idk…with the cost of a pre-owned Patek Philippe ref. 5196J-001 down to $14,000 it looks like I’m finally getting one.

  • @blueshirtbuddah1665
    @blueshirtbuddah1665 Před 5 lety +6

    Excellent video and a thorough review. I’m biased as I own the JLC, but they are all beautiful dress watches.

  • @adambourne254
    @adambourne254 Před 2 lety +1

    Your do very enjoyable vids with great images and story’s.keep up the amazing work👍😄

  • @philipnicolle6240
    @philipnicolle6240 Před 4 lety +10

    Very interesting. My pick by a small margin is the JLC in red gold. Simple elegance but with a very slight querkiness with the tapered digits.

  • @choe69
    @choe69 Před 5 lety +18

    I like the way you put it that "everyone want a lange" & i'm one of them.

  • @calvinchann1996
    @calvinchann1996 Před rokem +1

    Recently bought a used Ultra Thin. The most beautiful manual wind sound that I own. The salesperson then let me try a new Patrimony (gold, blue dial) and I was in love. Now saving for that.

  • @B3SSPR0
    @B3SSPR0 Před 4 lety +17

    As a previous owner of the JLC Master Ultra Thin, I agree to an extent. It's a beautiful watch and the value is absolutely outstanding. Its major shortcoming for me was its very large size.

  • @faisalingalong
    @faisalingalong Před 5 lety +41

    Gorgeous, I’m a JLC fan, generally. I hope to be in a position to have this dilemma for real!

    • @almeladze
      @almeladze Před 4 lety +13

      Just a fact that JLC is included in this bunch and goes toe to toe with guys that charge probably double of what JLC would ask for its piece is a testament to the greatness of this watchmaker!

    • @faisalingalong
      @faisalingalong Před 4 lety +1

      Alexander Meladze 100% agree!

  • @rolanddavoudikia3125
    @rolanddavoudikia3125 Před 4 lety +23

    Incredible selection indeed. Patek will most likely hold the best value long term. Jaeger is still my favorite and wins in design and elegance IMO. Patrimony is gorgeous but I'd smuggle Historiques American 1921 in the selection. Lange, well... it's A. Lange!

  • @jaysikes4256
    @jaysikes4256 Před 5 lety +10

    A very unique way to look at watches, so refreshing to see zero focus on re-sale value. Would you consider doing a vid on JLC Reverso design, perhaps discuss the various iterations??

  • @ayo9703
    @ayo9703 Před rokem +3

    The understated excellence of the Patek Philippe Calatrava makes it a winner every time for me. Perhaps because as an introvert it speaks to me like no other dress watch does.

  • @weerobot
    @weerobot Před 5 lety +27

    I could listen to you talk about watches for hours...

    • @ID-Guy
      @ID-Guy  Před 5 lety +5

      That is so flattering, man. Thank you!

    • @chrissy.v
      @chrissy.v Před 3 lety +2

      Subscribe I guess

  • @BubblesandthePurrMonster
    @BubblesandthePurrMonster Před 5 lety +7

    I’d have to get a reverso! I friggin love that thing.

  • @rezar6894
    @rezar6894 Před 5 lety +3

    Fantastic review once again. My pick is the Lange - either the Saxonia or the 1815.

  • @reedgrabowski8314
    @reedgrabowski8314 Před 4 lety

    Excellent video. Sparks interest to take some time and spend it an AD to get to know each one. Even if have no intention to buy.

  • @karlwilliams8208
    @karlwilliams8208 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for your excellent presentation, first class.

  • @christofferpedersen3939
    @christofferpedersen3939 Před 5 lety +82

    the Lange kicks ass .... to use a classic phrase 😂😂

  • @salvatoregiusto1848
    @salvatoregiusto1848 Před 5 lety +25

    My pick is Vacheron: awesome watch, beautiful and well balanced. Only remark: the small seconds. If they were just a tad bigger the watch would be perfect.

    • @DVSPDC
      @DVSPDC Před 5 lety +2

      Another small remark, you need to be able to afford it first

    • @salvatoregiusto1848
      @salvatoregiusto1848 Před 5 lety +4

      @@DVSPDC Right. Let's say (provided that dreaming costs nothing): if I had the money to buy one of them (or someone would be so kind to buy one of them for me), then my pick would be the Vacheron.
      The problem with these watches (especially Patek, Vacheron and Lange) is also that maintenance or repairs are incredibly expensive.

  • @richardbaptist5080
    @richardbaptist5080 Před 5 lety +4

    Lange and the VC are my favorites here.

  • @enriqueali
    @enriqueali Před 3 lety +28

    Traditionally, dress watches didn't have a seconds complication. It was considered impolite or ill-bred for either host or guest to measure one's punctuality to the second at a social event. My nomination is a watch that isn't featured here: the A. Lange & Söhne Saxonia Thin in white gold. BTW, the diameter of the Vacheron is 38mm, and not 40mm as stated here.

    • @jasonw9251
      @jasonw9251 Před rokem +4

      Very informative comment. Learned something new today

    • @James-hb6ee
      @James-hb6ee Před rokem

      My thoughts EXACTLY! The ALS Saxonia Thin is the most elegant dress watch on the market today. The silver dial is sublime. This watch would be even better in platinum, but platinum isn't currently offered.

    • @derosa1989
      @derosa1989 Před rokem

      small seconds was very common feature in pocket watch design, i disagree with your theory that it would somehow be considered impolite, you're just making that up.

  • @maynardjoseph
    @maynardjoseph Před 5 lety +7

    I quite like the Jaeger-LeCoultre. When i win the lottery, i'm going to purchase all of the Watches mentioned in this video.

    • @DVSPDC
      @DVSPDC Před 5 lety +5

      Then I guess you aren't ever gonna get these lol

  • @gmshadowtraders
    @gmshadowtraders Před 5 lety +4

    Excellent and what we've come to expect from this channel. The pertinent points of each watch masterly covered. They're all beautiful in their own way, some are more classical than others, but I too would go JLC too. It looks the most modern, being the sharpest and the most standout watch for me.

  • @pilotstyle123
    @pilotstyle123 Před 5 lety

    This video got me thinking. I wonder how a cheap dresswatch would turn out in comparison. Especially with dresswatches which are understated and somewhat plain, are there actual differences that distinguish the expensive ones from the cheap ones?

  • @joefisher7431
    @joefisher7431 Před 2 lety +1

    I am considering the JLC Master right now. Understated elegance and not showy or vulgar like many watches today.

  • @mileskane100
    @mileskane100 Před 5 lety

    I didn’t follow the lugs comments, which fits best on smaller wrists?

  • @eyeontime6136
    @eyeontime6136 Před 5 lety

    I totally agree, great choice. Thumbs up!

  • @jiajianhou426
    @jiajianhou426 Před 4 lety

    Does anyone know what is the diameter of a manual wind Saxonia 219.026? The one shown in the video. Website says it’s 35 and I hear people say it’s 37. Which is it?

  • @vivekjuneja4033
    @vivekjuneja4033 Před 5 lety

    Super video.. so well explained... 👍

  • @-triumphgt667
    @-triumphgt667 Před 5 lety +4

    The JLC is also available in 38.5 size - I have one. It is also by far the cheapest! The Lange is superb though if I were to get a Lange, it would have to have the big date on it.

    • @nelsonng4381
      @nelsonng4381 Před 4 lety

      I love the big date too. Hope I hope could get my self a Dato in future.

  • @joohokim3563
    @joohokim3563 Před rokem

    Hello, I enjoyed your great video.
    I'm currently trying to buy one between Patrimony and Traditionelle, so what are the pros and cons of each?
    For your information, I am 184 centimeters tall and my wrist is about 17.8 centimeters.
    Both models are so cool that I have a lot of worries, so I would appreciate it if you could give me some advice on the pros and cons of each model and what to consider when choosing it!
    Thanks :)

  • @andreaiacolina
    @andreaiacolina Před 5 lety +17

    Wonderful video! Not considering the Lange, because it would win easily in my opinion, the watch that I would choose is the JLC. Elegant, classic and modern at the same time. At the second place the wonderful Patrimony from VC and last the Calatrava. But obviously they are all amazing!

  • @jimflex6341
    @jimflex6341 Před 5 lety

    I own a Roamer that looks like the Calatrava but with a sunken seconds dial, which I much prefer. It's in mint condition with a 15 jewel MST movement, only 34mm but I'm only small. I fitted a Seiko croc strap which makes it look superb.

  • @andresetc
    @andresetc Před 16 dny

    Lange ABSOLUTELY worthy of being up there. NO DOUBT !!!!

  • @jonwatchesnyc8777
    @jonwatchesnyc8777 Před 3 lety +6

    In the last 15 years, I have never seen anyone 30s - 50s wearing a Patek Calatrava. Not one. My vote is for VC; the Lange is excellent

  • @Boros777
    @Boros777 Před 4 lety +2

    I would either get the Vacheron with the textured dial or the Lange but in white gold, which fits the Lange better imho...

  • @Vinny_Gigante
    @Vinny_Gigante Před 5 lety +55

    Vacheron Constantin ❤️

  • @walterking5453
    @walterking5453 Před 3 lety

    You do an excellent job thank you very much

  • @Genecio1992
    @Genecio1992 Před 5 lety +1

    Can you do Seiko 5 SNK809, thanks!

  • @user-vt9wo6dy4q
    @user-vt9wo6dy4q Před rokem +1

    Breguet classic is one of the best watch ever from the brand that started everything (first automatic movment, first wrist watch, etc)

  • @jeffdj1975
    @jeffdj1975 Před rokem

    Can the GS sbgw231 fit in this category? Based off design, not metal or price.

  • @gmshadowtraders
    @gmshadowtraders Před 3 lety +1

    Congrats on reaching 100k views!

  • @ThereIsNoSubstitute
    @ThereIsNoSubstitute Před 2 lety

    Great review! Thoroughly enjoyed it. But what’s with the opening sound effects..

  • @albertociaociao
    @albertociaociao Před 3 lety +2

    I also hv just one dress watch and many other sports models. Mine is a 1997 special edition Pagoda by PP.

  • @rajTrondhjem10
    @rajTrondhjem10 Před 4 lety

    Excellent.. Please make a video about California dials and talk about Nomos Club Campus(no date) dials when you get a chance. 😃

  • @albertociaociao
    @albertociaociao Před 3 lety

    Another fantastic and educational video ... learnt a lot about aesthetics and design. You should start a proper course.

  • @RealROI
    @RealROI Před rokem

    Great review. My choice as well. Love JLC. I will get this watch in a few years.

  • @americanjedi5721
    @americanjedi5721 Před 5 lety

    Great content 👍

  • @Alexfire264
    @Alexfire264 Před 3 lety

    Great video!

  • @brentconnock2513
    @brentconnock2513 Před 2 lety +1

    BTW well put and described!

  • @XX-ut2fd
    @XX-ut2fd Před 3 lety +1

    The VC Traditionelle small seconds featured in this video has a case diameter of 38mm, not 40mm like you say.

  • @ThePro455
    @ThePro455 Před rokem +1

    Love the e double intro song :D

  • @dereks66
    @dereks66 Před 5 lety +2

    Id choose the Patek. All beautiful in their own right.

  • @phughes4224
    @phughes4224 Před 2 lety +1

    There is no more beautiful watch (for me) than the 5196. Quintessential elegance.

  • @JBOsurf
    @JBOsurf Před 5 lety +62

    I'd ignore the holy trinity, have a long hard look at a Lange, then go and get a Journe Chronometre Bleu. GRAIL.

    • @sergezerkin
      @sergezerkin Před 5 lety +1

      or laurent ferrier ... if you have the cash that is of course .. cuz that one is expensive ..

    • @rootedrotor525
      @rootedrotor525 Před 5 lety

      Me too! But that's over $30k U.S. for a time only watch. Could step into a Lange 1 for $20k on the secondary market. I'm with ya though, the FPCB is mighty fine.

    • @The-Journe-identity
      @The-Journe-identity Před 5 lety

      CB would be a tough one watch. A great “problem” to have though!

  • @ChevyBM
    @ChevyBM Před 3 lety

    I love the Calatrava, I have tried it a few times and was hoping to get one before I turn 40 i 4 years but now I quit my job and will start to study to become a watch-smith/clock-maker in the autumn and it will take 3 years so I ques I cant buy one before I'm 40. However I am pursuing my dream within the watch world and I'll just have to wear my Day-Date when I want something classic and classy.

  • @EhRandomGuy
    @EhRandomGuy Před 5 lety +2

    Somehow, I would've loved the VC dial on the Patek case. Something about the lugs/shape/proportions on the Patek speaks to me, but the VC triumphs with its dial.

  • @LargeEnsemble
    @LargeEnsemble Před 4 lety +1

    Excellent compilation of timepieces. I wouldn‘t vote for a rosegold watch, but a whitegold or platinum. It is a bit too much for me. Also, if I had to go for „The One Watch“, I would choose a bracelet instead of a leather strap.

  • @mertcandarli
    @mertcandarli Před 3 dny +1

    Why isn't Breguet a part of this discussion/comparison?

  • @MrVoayer
    @MrVoayer Před 5 lety +2

    Esthetics, engineering, art and craft... Ivy League Swiss watchmakers are not missing any of it. But, to my mind and to my heart A. Lange & Soehne trumps them all !

  • @mikec3454
    @mikec3454 Před 4 lety +32

    Honestly, the Lange is the nicest of all... Everything about it is perfect, the dimensions are bang on and the finishing is outstanding. They are beautiful, but there is something about the Lange that just has the "it" factor.

  • @mohamedaqeelbobat
    @mohamedaqeelbobat Před 4 lety

    In love with this video, huge dress watch guy... btw are you South African??

  • @nelsonfernandez6097
    @nelsonfernandez6097 Před 4 lety

    Excellent video so hard for me to pick one l close my eyes and....jlc.

  • @Christian_from_Copenhagen

    My favourite in this genre so far is the Jaeger-LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin 172.8.79.S.

  • @CaptCanuck4444
    @CaptCanuck4444 Před 2 lety +2

    The JLC is the best looking of the 4. I'd choose the version with moonphase and blue dial.

  • @heromail2903
    @heromail2903 Před 5 měsíci

    What are the diameter of these elegant watches without crown?

  • @stavros_katsopr
    @stavros_katsopr Před 5 lety +4

    Something a bit down to earth? Let's say Seiko Presage line maybe, srpb44 for instance? Hit me!

  • @Mosurtees007
    @Mosurtees007 Před 3 lety

    Would love to see a video on world timers if you have time

  • @adamhindle9215
    @adamhindle9215 Před rokem

    VC wins it for me. The integration of the seconds sub-dial is the best.

  • @fabriziodutto7508
    @fabriziodutto7508 Před 3 lety

    All beautiful watches, but H. Moser & Cie are the best for me for the beauty and cleanest of their dials. I would have added the H. Moser & Cie Mayu, Ref: 321.503-005 to the list.

  • @RecordSisi
    @RecordSisi Před rokem +1

    The VC traditionnelle 82172 is 38mm and not 40 mm .
    Great video . I'd choose the VC

  • @jumboJetPilot
    @jumboJetPilot Před 5 lety +7

    I much prefer cream colored dials on colored gold dress watches. Silver or white look a little too stark against colored gold for my tastes. For a conservative dress watch, for me, ideally - pink/red gold, cream dial, and blued steel hands, indices, and dial printing all on a semi-matte brown gator strap.

  • @bnsheshgiri9719
    @bnsheshgiri9719 Před 2 měsíci

    Price please. How could I buy one of these watches

  • @alexchang4475
    @alexchang4475 Před 4 lety +1

    I bet this guy could make a $30 Swatch sound like a high-quality art piece.

  • @pilotstyle123
    @pilotstyle123 Před 5 lety +4

    phenomenal I have been discussing these very watches for weeks now, and I will go for the patek. Thank you, really informative. The jaeger indecies are too aggressive for me and somehow also the most boring of the 4.

  • @kamelthorn
    @kamelthorn Před 4 lety +6

    I’d love a A Lange!

    • @on_spikes6867
      @on_spikes6867 Před 4 lety

      @daAnder71 as a german, id like to insist on "an" too, as "ah ah" means "sh!t" in german.

    • @phillippage1620
      @phillippage1620 Před 3 lety

      A Lange, if it’s Lange 1 - it will win over the rest.

  • @RModillo
    @RModillo Před 2 lety

    The VC Traditionnelle is 38mm , not 40, no?

  • @thomasrusso1411
    @thomasrusso1411 Před 5 lety +13

    The Vacheron is 38mm not 40mm

    • @almeladze
      @almeladze Před 4 lety

      It seemed smaller than JLC. I noticed the this too

    • @phillippage1620
      @phillippage1620 Před 3 lety

      Look at decorating guilloche ; you will notice VC is above the rest.

  • @robinh2923
    @robinh2923 Před 5 lety +1

    Great video! FYI I think you're getting a few Lange saxonias models mixed up - only the automatics have the numerals on the sub dial

  • @eseskay99
    @eseskay99 Před 5 lety

    How much do each of these watches cost?

    • @rootedrotor525
      @rootedrotor525 Před 5 lety

      Low to Mid teens on the secondary market I'd say. USD

  • @thomaspomeroy5678
    @thomaspomeroy5678 Před 5 lety +19

    Vacheron is 38 mm. they said 40 mm.

    • @publiusvelocitor4668
      @publiusvelocitor4668 Před 5 lety +3

      I'd take it with a grain of salt. The JLC Master Ultrathin is 40mm now, but in early 2000's it was 38mm. Probably similar is true with others on this list.

    • @misterzero84
      @misterzero84 Před 4 lety +4

      It's not. There's only one case size released and it was 38mm then and it's 38mm now

    • @sergezerkin
      @sergezerkin Před 4 lety

      misterzero84 LOL now it’s 39 with the awutomique written on it

  • @kofiofosu9051
    @kofiofosu9051 Před 5 měsíci

    The 5196 is the one have. It allows you to regret not getting the others, but not enough to trade it away.

  • @juniortoledo8088
    @juniortoledo8088 Před 2 lety

    The VC for me. I only wish I could afford such a watch.

  • @nonplayerzealot4
    @nonplayerzealot4 Před 4 lety +1

    This guy could elegantly describe the differences between various cat turds. That's a video idea he should consider. We'd all watch.

  • @bobbysu6448
    @bobbysu6448 Před 5 lety

    Thanks

  • @o-lastno-mukougawa
    @o-lastno-mukougawa Před 4 lety +1

    Awesome

  • @carssv
    @carssv Před 5 lety

    Superb! My heart is still in the YG 5196, while I have not been able of seen a YG or WG in the flesh nevertheless I have visited or called all Patek ADs in South California, and some used watches dealers... I have only seen some RG and a PT. I have seen physically the other references in your video and are great too, it seems that the stock on the non Pateks is not a problem. A great thing on the JLC is that there is SS version at a much lower price than the PMs.

  • @alexp3752
    @alexp3752 Před 4 lety +3

    Lange is the best of the group. For me, for over 40 years, since college my favorite has been a Piaget Protocole ultrathin. While I have a few others, this particular watch is one I truly love. I know the men and family who made it, and the history of the company itself going back to 1874. While Patek makes fine watches, its owners have not been historically watchmakers themselves. The Sterns are excellent merchants and businessmen. I prefer watches where actual family members have their signature on the watches they produce. Thanks.

  • @unworthyServant08
    @unworthyServant08 Před rokem +1

    It was the Master Ultra Thin Moon for me, until I set eyes on the Saxonia!