Dolphins in Depth: Will Dolphins lock up three of the team’s top veterans?
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This episode of Dolphins in Depth will discuss whether the team should sign Tua Tagovailoa, Tyreek Hill and Jevon Hollland to long-term deals.
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Great conversation Omar. I agree with Barry 100% If Lamar who was an MVP at the time had to wait you have to let Tua play on his 5th year option to prove it.
Funny how majority of this "injury history" could of been resolved by investing in O line which we clearly have not. Doesn't matter who you have back there, if you cant block the defense line it's a wash regardless
Barry is exactly right....We need to see his performance improve in Dec/Jan before tying ourselves to him for 5 years
Well said! If Tua had already won 1 maybe 2 playoff games then let's talk. Too too many unanswered questions. Can he stay healthy (Again)? Can he do better than 1-6 against winning teams, can he play better down the stretch? (December & January). Let the man test the market if he thinks he is worth "Market Value" but ask yourself this Tua. Will I go to a Dome team, a warm weather team, or a cold weather team and most importantly would you have the same high quality talent you have with the Dolphins? Grass isn't always as green as that Big Bag you are trying to get......but keep tryin. Show us you got what it takes when it matters most! September Contenders and December Pretenders until proven otherwise.
the practical issue for the Dolphins isn't questioning Tua's ability it's cap flexibility. Franchise tagging is guaranteeing that money and now you have to have the cap space for it. Multiple years allows flexibility for during the season with signings from injuries that occur or trades at the trade deadline.
@@indade I think cap flexibility definitely plays a part but I also believe it does indeed involve Tua's ability. His inability to generate anything vs. Tennessee late in the game shows me his inability to come through in big moments and that was probably one of the biggest of the season. Now, you would be right to tell me the Defense was horrendous in the last 5 minutes of that game but when Tua had his chance he really didn't do anything with it. He has to step up in situations like that one.
@@mikesterner2145 my question to you would be, are you saying a QB has to be mobile in order to win a Super Bowl? if the answer is yes, how do you explain the pocket QBs that have won multiple Super Bowls. if the answer is no, then what happened in those games that the result was the result.
@@indade I think that's a great question and I would have to say a more mobile QB has become the "successful" norm as the years move on. I wish Tua would become a "little" more mobile. Not to the point where he's getting himself killed or anything but an ability to scramble out of broken plays much like Mahomes does. Joe Montana KILLED the Dolphins in Super Bowl 19 with his added ability to run after things broke down. To me anyway, it's a nice thing for a QB to be able to do. Hopefully, with the weight he's lost we will see a little more of that "in a smart way". Nothing that will get him injured.
Tua is going to have to prove himself this year to beat good teams and that realize that so he’s not gonna get that contract until he can be good teams so knock it off
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Tua has been a champion on every level. Tua just win. Raider and Saint want Tua bad.
Speed and quickness are the first two abilities to leave the body. At 31 I’m not making Tyreek a top 5 highest payed receiver. He’s very reliant on those two things . I would be willing to extend if he’s willing about the 10th highest payed receiver
Saints, Jets, Raiders, Giants, Panthers, Bucs, Rams, Titans, Steelers, Seahawks, Cardinals, and Cowboys could all consider a new QB next year and would all pay up for Tua’s production. Y’all are absolutely insane if you think he would have no market.
Yea they can pay him but hopefully they don't expect the same results. He's a product of the system and great coaching
Same reasoning that let Wilkens walk. Should've signed him before his price escalated. Using his concussion history as a reason not to pay. If he balls out; does that history magically disappear. Every year he is getting older, price is going up and other pieces are getting older also. Are we going all in or are we not?
Spot on Barry.
I do just don't get it why does they keep talking about injuries when they put one of the worst o lines in front of him
OMAR "STOP INTERRUPTING"!!!! YOU'RE KILLING BARRY'S FLOW!!! THAT'S WHY I WATCHED BRUH!!!
Barry when did you become a neurologist? Stop spewing false narratives. Concussions are a regular thing in the NFL. You said multiple, but the NFL said only 1. Did Brigewater have 1? Higgins and Pickett both had multiple the same season as Tua, but you hear nothing about them. Burrow was never diagnosed for 1 ,but had multiple. Dr. Jackson please stop making Tua the poster boy.
Not to mention all the old players talking about how they would get concussed on a weekly/ bi weekly basis
Fans are so delusional
Tom Savage 2017 watch the video
They better take care of Tua!
What QB, or NFL player for that matter isn't at risk for a long term injury?? Right or wrong, this injury sticking point on the discussions around the Tua contract is becoming a lazy take. Everyone using this aspect would hypocritically take Burrow tomorrow whether he plays in 2024 or not.... possibly if he's out 2025 also
I'm with Barry
Not me
Tyreek, terron armstread and Raheem all boting for Tua to get his money when all three of them will be gone next year anyway... So what do they care if it hurts the team extending Tua
Tyreek will be here, and so will Raheem, who got an extension this summer.
This is what I don't understand Omar Kelly said if tua sit out it's going to stifle the offense wouldn't that hurt tua next year's contract negotiations
I guess Barry is OK with another decade of generational talents on QB like Fiedler, Frerrote, Culpepper, and Trent Green. He keeps harping on the "One year healthy" which is EXACTLY the same amount of time Tua had a concussion. I'm not saying Tua is the GOAT, but he's better than what we've had on the position since Marino. I'm also, not saying he deserves $60 mil, but I doubt he'll get anything under 50 to tie him up. Also, health is only a factor if you don't have an out on the contract if the player gets hurt, so.....
Do you actually believe Tua is a generational talent?
@@AbadaWeeeeeeee of course I don't believe he's a generational talent. Generational talents come once a generation, that's why they're called that. When did I call Tua generational? I called Fiedler, Frerotte and Culpepper generational. Learn sarcasm dude.
Barry tell me which QB who's gotten paid has all of the accomplishments those concerns you're worried about Tua. Look at Trevor Lawrence, Deshuan Watson. Please stop talking about concussion history it only happened in one year! As Florida Sports Reporter, I'm surprised that this is the first time you have a real QB & you're complaining! We haven't had a QB since Marino. Wake UP Barry!
Tua needs to show he can win in December and deep into playoffs…
Who on Miami shows up during these games? Tyreek Hill’s TD drops do count 😂
@@siddreddy1416 none of them. And Tua isn't good enough to will those bums to victory. Therefore you can't pay him like he can. End of discussion. Glad you understand
@d8l835 let a good qb go cause the team is growing with a new coach, yea I think I get it
@@BrandonG6822 that's not what I said now is it
@@d8l835 you said what you said and I said what I said
He hasn't beaten the Buffalo Bills yet. No contract.
Neither has any other of the 52 players AND McDaniel. No contract for all. SMH
Never seen someone talk about injuries more than Omar.
Long time Dolphin fan. Make Tua prove he can stay healthy, win against good teams, or win in the cold. Tua is NOT a winner of big time games! Tua is antsy because he knows this. He has to prove he is an elite QG. So far he has not proven that.
Barry is a smart man Omar not so much.
Omar loves pointing out the reported average salary is not real. 😃😄
Omar another point in paying Tua now is what we’re all the expensive free agent signings for with out Tua, no Tua n those are waisted along with the season.
If Tua had won one more game last year, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Barry you are making sense
Hey Barry. Chris Grier said in a Press Conference with you all earlier this year that Tua's injury history wouldnt be a factor in the negotiations. You might need to go back and check your nites, because playing the injury card was taken off the table by Chris Grier himself. So, it might be a waste of breath mentioning it so much. As for Brian Hoyer. OMG, NO you didnt go there. Well, another former QB Dan Orlovsky said he thinks that there are only 5 QBs who could run the Dolphins Offense like Tua. Mahomes, Burrow, Purdy, Stroud and Stafford. The Dolphins offense isnt plug n play like Brian Hoyer thinks. Ill trust Orlovsky over Hoyer any day when it comes to knowledge of the QB position.
Chris Grier lies. Alot. Tuas injury history is absolutely a factor in the contract talks. It was always going to be. The dolphins knew it, so did Tua.
You may trust Orlovsky over Hoyer, but you are trusting someone who didnt know where the back of the endzone is, how close he was to it, and that he can't run passed it and still throw the ball after...
This whole comment is ridiculous and did nothing but tell us all how gullible you are bud. Sorry
@@d8l835 I think I'm going to believe Chris Grier whose actually the GM and actually a part of the real negotiations.Anyone not in the room or on the phone, don't have a clue. That would include us. So, I'll go with believing Chis Grier on that matter.
@@fruitstrong5977 go look at what he's said about Xavien Howard and what he actually did. Wilkins? Said one thing, did another.
Bud, this is status quo. You don't reveal your hand before everyone has made their bets.
Grier lies. He has to. So does every other GM and coach in football.
When a coach gets asked something like "do you think you have the right guys to get over the hump?"
What does that coach say all the time? Yes. Yes we have the players we need....but if he was honest, he would tell you all the positions he doesn't feel good about, he would tell you which positions suck.
This type of behaviour is blatantly obvious man. You hanging on every word the GM says when it's objective fact he lies, is to put it bluntly, insane
@@d8l835 When did he say he was the signing X? Everyone knew X was finished. Is he on team now? He said many times that Christian Wilkins earned the right to be a free agent. And he let him do just that. What did he like about? I have no clue of what you're saying.
@@fruitstrong5977 he constantly said that they were talking. Doors were always open.
He talks out of both sides of his mouth...like every other GM and coach in the NFL. This is business as usual. Get upset if you want lol it's reality sorry
I would be more concerned with his hip injury in college. At the time the experts cautioned that the injury could be degenerative long term. I'm sure that the team has all the best info so that along with the concussions makes them uneasy signing him long term. But I really don't see a better alternative
Outstanding Achievement today
Omar keeps saying they got ahead of situation with Waddle. They really didn't. Several receivers got big contracts and Grier got nervous.
You don’t have to give a guy a new deal in his final year of his rookie deal. Some teams make them play the final year and the fifth year option
I think trying to use concussions as leverage against a QB is a terribly disingenuous way to play that game. How often do QBs suffer concussions compared to any other injury that QBs suffer? It’s one of the least common injuries to that position in particular. So while injury may be a concern, trying to use concussions from 1 season, as a basis for concern, is extremely disingenuous and doesn’t do yourself any favors in that negotiation.
Barry is out here trying to play both side 😂😂😂
Have a back bone!
Dude tries to say u like tua, but uses every negative trope ever said about him lol
No he’s not hating he is just saying don’t pay a good Qb elite money, and Tua is not elite
It is insane to say the phrase “limiting them from all their options” as if there are viable alternatives to Tua. It’s sheer ignorance on Barry’s part.
Concussions are a concern for every single player in the NFL.
Why don’t you mention how Tyrek doesn’t show up in the big moments which he doesn’t. Beats up on chump teams also
Tyreek’s disappearing act in big games is half the reason for the narrative around Tua if not more. His bad TD drop against the eagles and his ridiculous fumble against the chiefs. Just boneheaded plays. And the stink of those losses is only on Tua now with the national media.
Barry seems to be playing the result without actually watching the film. this isn't about defending Tua, it's about understanding how the Dolphins failed against "playoff teams".
@indade agree 💯
The pressure is not on Miami but on tua if he does not get a contract he has to play better to demand the money he's looking for
Why the heck didn’t we get Fields for $15 million over 3 three years as the backup to run a real RPO! Mike White and tiny Tua. Dumb
yes
Tua 11-6; back to back playoffs! Pay Tua!
Gotta win 1 first. ( A playoff game) Hasn't done it yet. Too many unanswered questions. I believe Ross has gotten involved.
1-12 against the last 13 playoff teams
That’s any player when give them kind of money! Players are one hit away from there career ending! Football is a physical sport
Barry concussion this and that …every one is a hit away if that’s your issue then get a good offensive line plus Tua gets rid of the ball faster than anyone
Miami Dolphins #1
Omar is absolutely right here!!! Barry seems to be using Accounting logic, and that doesn’t work with QB’s in the NFL!!! We need to sign TUA!!! Team Chemistry!!!
Exactly Barry, Burrow has won the division, playoff and even Superbowl
Finally Chris greir has grown a pair and is sticking to his convictions hello the dolphins have not won a playoff game in 24 years and tiny tua has not won late in the season ask any general manager and no one wants tua
Wrong guys the raiders will and the giants maybe the jets
What are the other options really???
I agree with Barry all the way! Sorry Omar disagree because its not Grier call but its owner Steven Ross
bro there’s literally a risk for injury with every single player going into a season why do we hold this over his head
Well Omar if he sits out and the tm looks bad it will reflect on him and hurt his market
No one is talking about the money Tua could earn from endorsements. If Tua takes a bit of a team friendly deal..and balls out again maybe gets MVP or all pro, wins a playoff game. How many tens of millions could he earn from that? If I was Tua I would take the 140 mil guaranteed and have incentive payments for great play. Rake in the endorsement money and laugh all the way to the bank.
if this guy says concussion one more smh omg this guy is ridiculous lol
Barry is If this if that if if if …….what I do know is he’s an mvp candidate last 2 seasons has never had a losing seasons salary cap is increasing every year and is the fastest in the league in getting rid of the ball none of Barry’s points held any weight there is so much that out weigh the injury concerns
If yall are ok with tagging him then yall are ok with paying him so just pay him
Playing football is a risk good call Barry yikes
You can’t pay a good QB elite money, just because the market is inflated doesn’t mean the dolphins should follow it. Make him play on his fifth year until he proves he can play good against playoff teams and down the stretch consistently.
but the market says 50million is for slightly above QB now. by the time Tua gets to the 3rd year of his.contract he'll probably be the 15th highest paid.
Man all I hear is excuses pay the man already he’s the best we’ve had since Marino the fact that this organization is waffling on this is crazy smh 🤦🏽♂️
Why would anyone think any of the guys will sign with the way Grier is so slow on contracts.
Ive had 6 serious concussion in my 31 years. 2 within weeks of each other. Im completely fine and have no diffenrt risk than anyone else who would get 1. The issue is when they are consistent within a short period. That concussion narrative is based on nothing but ignorance. Maaaaad annoying
If he goes on the open market .. he’ll get the money
Raiders may poach Tua and Chris and Mike (dummies)will deserve it
Christian Wilkins not top 80 😂😂😂😂. These guys are a joke
……”i think his market will be limited “ “he will be confined to warm weather teams and dome teams “ that’s like half the nfl dude 🤦🏽♂️ pay him Miami
5/260 w 150 guaranteed. LFG!
Tua needs to go back to having Bowden, Grant, Ford, Parker and Gaskins. Then maybe dumb fans will shut the f up. Well they actually didn’t bring up his weapons during his first two years, so they’ll prob just move goal posts again 😂
💯!!! Say it loud for the idiots in the back that are still not getting it after 4 years!!!
Dont NFL players have to pay tax in each state they play in?
Dak Prescott has had as many severe injuries and concussions
Damn what did Holland do to Omar n Poupart?
If your being objective Holland hasn't really done too much. Now that could be a testament to the D line or the opposing QBs not throwing at him . But to get the money you need the stats and currently he doesn't have them. Personally I think they didn't use him as best they could the last season
Barry cookin....
Chris.G might trade Tua ijs I know how Greir get down lol
You know GRIER but don’t know how to spell his name. Ok😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Holland can walk sign phillips
Sign Tyreek first. He's a gold jacket player
I love the comment generational wealth ONLY when it is in the HUNDREDS of millions!!! WHAT?!?!?!
With all do respect Barry, this isnt effn basketball!!! 😠
I agree with Barry 💯 bookit tiny tua will not be the dolphins QB one year from now hallelujah 🙏🙏
Omar, u are SO in Tua's camp, that it's hard to take. I mean, it's fine. Ur allowed to root for a player I guess, although I don't know why u would root for their paycheck. It's their money, not yours. As a Dolphins fan, I have to say I resent ur bias. I feel like reporters should be on the fans' side. U know... those of us who haven't seen a playoff win in 24 years. We are already going to have to wait till the next quarterback after Tua to have a chance at being good. The longer they keep Tua around, the longer we'll have to wait. I wish u would stop ur nonsense unless you're getting a cut of his contract.
If Tua doesn't get paid and this season crashes everyone will be blamed and all the fans will be pissed. Remember this is a business.
Brian Hoyer, Barry??? Seriously
BS he’ll get ate up next season in the market when QBs like D Jones fail. SMH
miami dolphins mode of operation is band aid bargains in a deliberate injurious environment. thats the real money 8:15.
Barry, give it a rest. Every QB is 1 play away from a season ending injury. If they were so worried about Tua being injured, why won't they sign a respectable OL to protect him. They have to pay him or chalk it up to a rebuild this year and next. Barry keeps mentioning going out and get somebody else. If it was that easy the Fins wouldn't have spent over 20 years looking for a QB. Tua's the best QB you've had since Moreno. Listen to Barry and we can start our next 20 year search. According to the Doctors, Tua is no more likely to have another concussion than anyone else in the NFL. Why is everyone talking about Tua's concussions? Steelers QB Kenny Pickett had 2 concussions in 2023 but nobody is dogging him about it.
Thank God you’re not a GM Omar and just a beat writer, seems like you would destroy a franchise by giving away tons of money to mediocre players like tua. 🤦🏻♂️🤣😂🤣
Crazy Eyes Barry is back.
First baby!
omar IS NOT EVEN A DOLPHIN FAN.....wtf are u people doing hiring these jokes
Is Barry"s father black?
Trade Tua!!!! He's just not that guy and he's definitely not worth 50 million a year!
Shut up clown like we have better options
U were the guy that wanted tannehill for an 8th year 😂
Gasoline isn't worth $4.50 a gallon either but the market is the market.
@@datrufndadetails8982nice
Chill Tua will be signed in two weeks ❤
Barry spot on as usual! Omar, well he's just being the fictional character he is. LMAO! Omar LOVES talking out both sides of his mouth.
Tua ain’t worth what he’s asking that’s the issue stop comparing him to the guys that already got paid because they all done what tua couldn’t which is win a single playoff game,hear comes the excuses
If you dont pay tua, you might as well throw the season away. You will kill the moral of the team
And if you do pay him all that money and he doesn't ever get any better, or hell, even regresses, then that will also kill the morale of the team because they know they are stuck on a team that can't win anything.
Look at both sides
Please please please don't pay tiny tua he is consistently injured he comes up short in the biggest moments against the better teams he doesn't improvise in the pocket. Make him play on the 5th year option if u pay tiny tua u will regret it
Tua is only worth punter money at best, he’s trash 🗑️
You a sorry white boy who can't play football 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
How do we know what Miami offered Tua already that he turned down. And for Tua to say market is market, screw him. He's all about himself and bye saying that he proved it. He is making generational wealth already and knows he is getting paid way above his ability. The only reason tua looks even half decent is because of who all Chris Greer put around him. Tua is a cup cake Omar and everybody knows it. 😂
Glad 2 c you both great show pay Tua the 5 year he can't beat good teams he blow it against Tennessee and buffalo last year at home right ❤
People need to stop commenting about football. Sounds dumb as hell
PAY TUA
Tua TRASH 🗑️ 🤣😂🤣
Tua just has no leverage.
1. Injury history
2. 5 rookie 1st round QBs
3. 14 QBs already signed 40 million plus.
Who are the dolphins bidding against?
Barry don’t put bad Mojo into the universe
Poor salary control like Jeff Ireland was better don’t get me started with Mike tannebum . Jeff gave Mike Wallace a boat load of cash for a one trick pony . And Mike gave suh a big ass deal thinking we were a suh away for a Super Bowl