BMW i Hydrogen NEXT Fuel Cell Technology Powertrain Explained
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- čas přidán 29. 03. 2020
- Initial technical details of the powertrain for the BMW i Hydrogen NEXT.
“The fuel cell system for the powertrain for the BMW i Hydrogen NEXT generates up to 125 kW (170 hp) of electric energy from the chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen from the ambient air,” explains Jürgen Guldner, Vice President of Hydrogen Fuel Cell Technology and Vehicle Projects at the BMW Group. This means the vehicle emits nothing but water vapour. The electric converter located underneath the fuel cell adapts the voltage level to that of both the electric powertrain and the peak power battery, which is fed by brake energy as well as the energy from the fuel cell. The vehicle also accommodates a pair of 700 bar tanks that can together hold six kilograms of hydrogen. “This guarantees a long range regardless of the weather conditions,” notes Guldner. “And refuelling only takes three to four minutes.” The fifth-generation eDrive unit set to make its debut in the BMW iX3 is also fully integrated into the BMW i Hydrogen NEXT. The peak power battery positioned above the electric motor injects an extra dose of dynamics when overtaking or accelerating. The total system output of 275 kW (374 hp) fuels the typical driving dynamics for which BMW is renowned. This hydrogen fuel cell electric powertrain will be piloted in a small series based on the current BMW X5 that the BMW Group plans to present in 2022. A customer offer powered by hydrogen fuel cell technology will be brought to market at the earliest in the second half of this decade by the BMW Group, depending on the global market conditions and requirements.
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This is the best way forward.. hydrogen fuel cell... well done BMW.... I wish VW would start soon...
@Christopher McGovern rimac and Bugatti are working together, they did not sell it to Rimac
This needs to become a thing sooner!
@@allgoo1990 now that there is a OIL WAR. It will happen sooner
Not enough fuel station for H2? Germany has one of the best H2 fuel station nets - 86 operating stations plus 20 more to be build in the near future.
yeah... a lot of companies are going H2 now, but they "cant"...
The current best is still not enough.. 86 in germany means 1 station covering about 4000 km2. The charging infra-structure have to be massively improved. H2 has a huge potention, but the complete "eco-system" must developed simultaneously. Let's see if the latest incentives from EU countries and companies (like Airbus) can create an impulse on H2 as sustainable fuel.
@@Evandomedeiros Now wait until the number of electric cars increased 5-6 times. With the current charging time and capacity problem during cold weather EV cars will suffer a different kind of problems, perhaps the cen more difficult ones
Can you please put this car displayed at Munich airport together with Linde LH2 technology? You guys are doing excellent jobs.
I’m glad BMW making hydrogen vehicles, this the future!!!
Loc Pham ...I think the same...
There are supposed to be more & more Hydrogen Refuelling Stations getting built in some of the biggest countries in Europe.
Germany I gather has seen Shell building many of these stations already.
United Kingdom is committed to building around 500 in the next few years.
Ships need hydrogen engines and of course planes. Eventually cars
Never cars
@@Simon-dm8zv Would you rather have electric cars as the future or hydrogen cars ?
I would rather have hydrogen cars as the future because Tesla is dangerous, it could take over the world. Elon Musk is too powerful and also because Hydrogen cars are the most environmentally friendly, the emissions of Hydrogen cars is water.
@@armeniancrusader301 Electric cars of course. Tesla is not dangerous (lol) there are already plenty of manufacturers building great EVs.
Exhaust is water? Well guess what, an EV does not have an exhaust.
@@Simon-dm8zv I respect your opinion, in my opinion I would rather have Hydrogen cars as the future.
@@Simon-dm8zv And when a huge battery for a electric car is being produced a lot of harmful poisonous fumes are being released into the world such as Carbon monoxide as far as I know.
We need to see a hybrid of battery /hydrogen fuel cell vehicle to bridge the gap until there is investment in hydrogen fuel stations. This would allow people to buy electric vehicles that would have a quotable range far beyond 300 miles.
"until there is investment in hydrogen fuel stations" Loonnng before that time batteries have evolved even further making hydrogen vehicles completely obsolete.
The front engine. Does it act like an ice engine or it's a hydrogen converter changing the gas into water and energy?
Second
It is a Fuel Cell Stack. Not an ICE.
fuel cell vehicles use electric motors
and usually have a small lithium battery to balance power
When they wreck the explosion will look like a movie.
Negative ghost rider. Its inertia switch instantly grounds and kills power. The cells have blow out press panels that can only hold x amount of psi before they let go avoiding an explosion that would otherwise "under pressure" would blow the vehicle sky high
Not at all
Electric batteries might be more efficient for storing energy, but charging times are painful. Hydrogen is definitely less efficient, but it’s as fast as fueling today. Hopefully some brilliant engineers can figure out a scalable way to transport hydrogen. A clean hydrogen economy would be really cool, not gonna lie!
The efficiency is just too horribly bad. Low efficiency = high emissions. Nothing cool about that.
@@Simon-dm8zv Nothing clean about battery mining either pal...
This is nice upgrade from a golf car, little bit faster
Very good
I see why it's taking a lil longer than desired - solid state batteries could provide more useful cargo.
It is a Fuel Cell Stack. Not an ICE.
Second gen fuel cell power train generates a peak of 125kW
Peak power battery can output 150kW for a total of 275kW
2x H2 tanks total capacity 6kg of H2. Refueling time under 4 minutes.
33.6kWh per kg = 201.6kWh capacity
This would give a range of about 373Miles or 600km. Cold weather does not affect range.
Current cost of H2 in UK is about £12/kg = £72 per 373 miles.
I really like a plug in electric vehicle with at least 150 miles EV range and a fuel cell range extender with 3-4 kg storage.
Unfortunately Hydrogen takes up a prohibitive amount of space
I am very excited about the future of such vehicles that provide can the power for future mobility of nation. It has been estimated that fossil fuel will be depleted by 2050 so I hope that bright dependable companies will prepare for such on coming events in the future which can also be profitable. Green energy sources will also be the only way to save our planet and prevent climate change that can be devastating.thank you👍🏾
This truly is the future, and we need to look at it in a different way, other than we have been.
This video says nothing about how the powertrain works for at least the first 4 minutes
Exactly! And the second half is in German ….
How much energy does it take to make hydrogen?
Does the boost battery use lithium or the hydrogen?
There is 1 reason & 1 reason alone for the current paradime. As well as the lies they tell us. So they can sell oil for as long as possible.
No
Or probably because the supply of electricity won't be able to match the demand & we'd end up just using more fossil fuel to produce electricity.
@@9036164689 I would slightly belive that where true if there wasn't such an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting what I just said. If you don't think that the oil ceo's are killing people & shelving inventions every day to keep every drop of oil pumping they can. Your either extremely naive or working with/for them. Do a little bit of reserch, like how they got rid of Diesle. He invented his engine to run off of any flamible substance even sawdust. Yet they are still using steam & coal? They could be burning ground up newspaper ect in diesel generators or bio diesel, collecting the ash in retaining chambers & using it as fertilizer. No need to pump toxins into the air. Unless your profiting from it. Look what happened in Australia about 15 years ago they where going to go green & the day before the public demonstrations they sabotaged the prototypes. Blowing them up, pouring concrete down into them. A little violence to the right people that day went a long way.
Man of action at 8:00
This makes total sense to use until battery power density catch up. but it's like very very close to catching up already. by 2023 it will be there and farther. Battery power density will catch up in a good half year to a year dealing with Tesla. so... This is kinda obsolete before it even starts. But it's still a good option for the commercial market like big rigs and transportation. Even though transportation has been using battery-electric for yrs now so.
Riding on an electric bus is like a dream though. All you hear are air shocks. no loud sinkin dirty diesel engine to listen to.
Just curious: is it possible to store hydrogen in a solid structure? Like a sponge holding onto water (but less wet). I ask because I know that hydrogen is one of the highest gravimetric energy density fuels (120MWh/kg) but it’s hard to compress, so the volume energy density is very bad (probably 2x worse than natural gas or something like that).
Yes, metal hydride hydrogen storage.
@@jooky87 thanks for your answer. After I originally posed the question, I went looking and found this answer. If only I understood chemical engineering 😂😂
The future is most certainly Hydrogen
Not for cars.
Summary: Our cars are ready, the pumps.....not so much.
Summary: Our cars are ready, the efficiency... not so much (watched a video on it, Hydrogen creation is costly and inefficient)
How is the car going to be safe, if you have two tanks at 700bars releasing pressure during a crash? Hydrogen is highly explosive and flammable?
So is the 91 octane but all is ok, no?
Highly flammable, very suitable for future suicide bomber. EV with improved battery and well planned charging stations with enhanced infrastructure is a safe methodology moving forward.
You never saw the crash test on the hyundai Nexo?? Hydrogen cars are the most safety cars today, due all the irrational fear against hydrogen... and yeah... is 100% irrational!
Of course, if you store a lot of energy (kinetic, chemical, battery) in one place, it would be always dangerous if you dont apply safety measures...
Gasoline cars do it, Battery vehicles due it... and guess what? Hydrogen cars do it!
That tank can never explode, it has pressure release valves, even if you shoot that with a caliber 50 (you need that to make a hole) nothing happen, just hydrogen escapes with little kinetic energy, because it is 20 times lighter than air.
Oxygen can not enter inside the tank, so combustion is impossible, and if hydrogen escapes, it diffuse incredible fast, rising 20 m in one second. Away of people, instead gasoline spills remain in the floor where they burn you down.
Hydrogen also produce much less radiant heat than any other combustion.
The benefits does not end there...
What run this system ? , this is convert hydrogen to electric yes ?
All heavy truck ships and taxi car should run on hydrogen and regular car on battery power so there will be a balance
except for all those who live in a building without their own garage.
Battery fans always forget those
We, we, we...
Why can't you make combustion engine that would use hydrogen as fuel?
Nitrous Oxide emissions and a very low efficiency for extracting power from hydrogen fuel.
there is something called a woodgas engine. the fuel/gas is 14% hydrogen gas & 3% methane.
Because combustion bad. Only when combustion is used to make electricity it's good okay. You pay for green energy doesnt matter that it isnt... But in seriousness. I think hydrogen would be more energy efficient if in wel designed combustion engine. Still hydrogen fuel takes allot of energy to create. Better would be a natural reneable (and clean!) fuel like ethanol or methanol. But again combustion bad. Doenst matter that the only exhaust would be co2 and h2o, because combustion bad. And co2 is the problem, Not fine dust and the harmfull pollutants from Oil based fuel and coal(electricity).. So we dont combust clean, we just do more coal and oil, because logic ($$$$$$)
because it's an enormous waste of energy, the engine will have high maintenance and shorter life, and it will have low performance , plus around 300l of tanks of hydrogen for around 250miles of range plus the fact the car will produce NOx.
What is the energy (output) density per kilogram? I guess the cost per kW would be an important factor as well. I saw where the energy density of jet fuel was 43 kW per Kilogram. I was wondering if this would be a viable way to power electric airplanes. ( Feel free to correct anything that is not correct in your answer.) Fuel depletion would also increase range with the loss in weight, and airports could provide centralized refueling points.
kWh*
another thing to consider is volumetric energy density or kWh/L
The best is the plug-in hydrogen hybrid
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Hyundai Nexo are better.
..better than what?
There was that before, so nothing.
I think it’s just a prototype of some future x3 or x5.
There is no talk of fuel cells, but they are used only for testing prototypes.
Good job germany 🇩🇪
they didnt invent it
@@aliozdil6586and i dont think i would congrat a private company for stealing an Isaac Rivaz's invention, which took place in 1807 (ligerally 190 years before their fuckin vroom vroom thing)
(By the way, BMW is not all Germany lmao)
Toyota technology, but it's great that BMW is joining the production of hydrogen cars, it's the future
I know , because i try more and more time build a hydrogen fuel engine
Clearly there is a problem of availability of hydrogen. It seems the most viable option would be if gas stations were renovated to be able to store and provide hydrogen to cars in a standardized way. The ways of transporting hydrogen would need to be thought of. I think transportation by tanker would be the most feasible way to get to the relevant markets. And maybe there should be some solution for remote households/estates to implement hydrogen production from their potable/distilled water supply.
"Put the customer at the center of everything we do".... Is that why rubber components on BMW vehicles routinely fail? Using recycled rubber to obtain a eco-friendly manufacturing rating screws the customer. Seals and trims routinely degrading quicker than others on the market benefits your service department and not the customer.
Stop crying.
Que. Bien.
Refuelling “3-4” minutes😮😀😃...zero emissions
It's not zero emissions! The process to make the fuel makes a lot emissions that are toxic. You're correct about the time it takes. The only problem is cost to build an infrastructure that's safe and reliable. You would always be better off with an EV!
@@stephenstaite8207 depends how it is made. If it's renewable energy then if someone wants a Hydrogen car I don't mind.
It's one less ICE on the road.
And this comes from a battery electric car advocate
@@stephenstaite8207 what about emissions during battery making process .an average 250 miles ranges BEV before running on road is resposnsible for more CO2 than ICE car driven 300k miles .
@@atixkhanz5172That's simply not true! Lots of research has been done on this it's called long tale pipe vs short tale pipe..Can you explain your answer? Where did you get that complete incorrect information? BEV's have a much longer life. From day one Tesla vs ICE cars they have a similar carbon footprint as a ICE vehicle. After less then 5k miles and EV's win. Current EV's are able to hit 500k miles on each battery most ICE will not even reach 200k.
Dude now we can extract hidrogen from oil sands in a clean way
Provide portable hydrogen refuel system for home like electric car then you see hydrogen car will surpass electric car , men can go to moon but can't built portable hydrogen refuel system ?
Bloom box has them for commercial applications. Solid oxide ceramic plates (eliminates the need for platinum catalyst) with NG reformer , runs on Natural Gas ,provides 65% electric conversion with hot water byproduct for heating cooling and domestic hot water bringing the total efficiency to 95%. The reformer recycles methane and steam from the NG reaction to crack the gas. It is possible to sequester the C02 at the site as opposed to trying to control emissions on each vehicles exhaust. If the fuel cells were used for charging EVs as an example or even as an electric utility for community use.
Ultimately if they can be scaled for residential use, ( or in existing bloom box for neighborhood generation. ) each home could have its own energy generating unit without transmission losses currently being experienced with central power plants!
Bmw bydrogen , use motor electric or engine petrol ?
Electric :)
No combustion
Iwant buy this system what is price ?
Really sad to see what happened to BMW over the last 10 years
375hp at the wheels...honest and hard working philosophy..
The next concep of hyrdogen propultion car ia, how to plug the hydrogen hydrolisis system'
In one unit car...whitout hydrogen dispencer
275kWh electric battery equivalent. So at 500Wh/mi, range would be 550 miles. Impressive & beats any battery EV by a long margin.
Your numbers are irrelevant and wrong: First, it doesn't make sense to take the full energy content from hydrogen (33 kWh / kg) to directly calculate electrical range. You need to consider the efficiency of the fuel cell, which is approx. 2/3, 70% at best. So, you will get approx. 22 kWh out of each kg of hydrogen, means 132 kWh out of 6 kg.
Based on consumption numbers of existing fuel cell cars like Toyota Mirai or Hyundai Nexo, a big SUV like this BMW X5 derivate will likely consume 1,5 kg H2 per 100 km or 2,4 kg per 100 miles. So, with 6 kg H2 storage, you will end up with 400 kms or 250 miles.
@@reneh.8817 --Umm, sorry, your calculation is not correct! The Toyota Mirai can travel 312 miles EPA range on 5 kg of H2. The mid-size SUV fuel-cell Hyundai Nexo, with EPA-rated MPGe of 61 miles per kg of H2, and with 6.3 kg of H2, can travel 384 mi range per fill-up.
The BMW SUV Fuel cell if it will have 8.3 kg of H2 capacity, will be capable of, assuming 60 MPGe based on the Nexo x 8.3 kg = 500-mile range.
You are completely wrong 275kW (374hp) is the total peak output from the Fuel Cell and the battery, the "battery" is the 6Kg of H2 which takes around of 360kWh of energy to produce , and as people have already said you do have then the losses of the fuel cell and the inverter . This car should be able to reach around 330-350miles for example the Hyunday nexo that is smaller, with narrower tyres with a smaller (thus more efficient ) Fuel Cell has a range of 380Miles with 360kWh of energy and that's very inefficient considering a Tesla model S can do 370miles with 100kWh of energy.
@@trungson6604 You can check the video at 6:17 the i Hydrogen tanks holds only 6Kg of H2
By the time they implement this Tesla batteries will have a 500 Mile range plus and will cost about $10.00 to fill up as opposed to $60.-$80 for a Hydrogen fuel sell.
This HFC idea will fail and will be an expensive exercise that will cost BMW and Toyota a lot of money.
El Genio de esto fue Stanley Meyer y le costo la vida y ahora otros hacen su Dicirmbre
One of the greatest lies told by the establishment. That hydrogen is expensive & complicated to make. It is not. It is extremely cheap & easy to produce. All curant gasoline or diesel engines can run on hydrogen. Hygrogen can easily be produced at modern gas stations in the tanks they are using for gasoline storage.
So many wrong statements...If you use renewable it is extremely expensive to produce a 2MW electrolizet alone that is able at peak to produce enough for 100 FCEV a day cost at least 2M dollars alone. Current gasoline engine cannot run on hydrogen alone and engines heavily modified to accept only hydrogen are a technical disaster , the bmw hydrogen 7 needed the equivalent of 600kwh of electricity for the liquefied hydrogen barely enough for ... 125 miles! . Hydrogen can't be stored in the tanks used for gasoline they are absolutely bot equivalent, hydrogen embrittle metals , it requires non metallic (like composite fibres) tanks or metallic tanks that are covered inside with dense and heavy polymers materials that gasoline dissolve. Gasoline storage it's not under pressure actually the opposite as it has system that balance the pressures and dunp or recover fumes, hydrogen instead requires tanks that are able to safely store the gas at 900 times the atmosphere pressure...
I didn't say it could be stored. I said it could be produced. Put water in them. & line them with tons of gold plated cope wire. & yes a gasoline engine can run on nothing but hydrogen there are many advantages & some disadvantages depending on the make of engine. If you think a gasoline engine can't run on hydrogen you are dead wrong as I have done it & tons of others on youtube have as well. That being said I can produce much more hydrogen needed to run my 5hp engine than it produces using wads of copper wire mashed in a ball. If I had a specialized tank & specialized wire ect it would be even more efficient. Also you can make minor modifications to gas2engines to have the run on hydrogen straight from the factory if you weren't profiting from raping the planet. There is an entire series on here about it.
It’s hydrogen based, did you notice?
I love this go bmw !!! Hope it comes to the America 🇺🇸 gm is going bs all ev
why would i want to fill up my car with Hydrogen that costs me $50.00-$80.00 when i can fill up my car with Electricity that costs me $5.00-$8.00
The new batteries from Tesla will only take 15 mins to fill up as of 2021.
Hydrogen fuel cells will be to expensive to run.
The Electric vehicle has very little servicing.
The roll out of HFC will fail and will be an expensive lesson that BMW and Toyota will regret.
People are not stupid and will understand like me that Electric is the way to go.
Within 5 years EV will have ranges in excess of 500 miles per fill up and will increase to much further and quicker charge times within that time also.
You cannot Ignore Tesla at your own peril.
in the future it might cost $5 to get the same or more hydrogen range against the $5 electric. hydrogen production is not yet advanced that much
Lol, nonsense
do you sincerely think that electricity prices will remain the same when everyone will be driving electric cars? the price of a service is driven by a demand on the market. AND, the infrastructure for a Tesla that shares 1% of all the car market is something very different from an infratructure consisting of electric vehicles for 100%. So, get ready that you will pay for electricity for a car nothing less than what you pay for your fossil fuel car.
@@RivieraByBuick Bingo
don't forget that we won't have enough lithium to make batteries in the near future
We need hydrogen planes more than hydrogen cars.
U CAN BURN H IN GASS CARS
What's the business with the hands at 7:52 is this a German communication method.
IS BMW KEEPING IT COMPLICATED FOR A REASON? Storing H doesn’t seem to be needed...
Checkout the AquaTune system...
Manufacturers would probably stick to 2 liter deplacement to make a lighter unit. Cuz obviously, additional components will add weight. And that will require reliable tires to accommodate weight load distribution and other factors which need adjustments. So they will reduce the engine size by reducing deplacement hence the engine block will be also reduced, yielding in better efficiency, and cost. The disadvantage is, the tuning culture need to adapt with the complexity and cost. I'm a car builder and tuner, and this is why I'm a bit afraid of this innovation.
Well, better to adapt the inevitable.
Big oil wants to know how many times they can hit the dislike button
Hydrogen needs to be pushed now not later it’s a win win a true green energy
Not really. It's horribly inefficient.
@@Simon-dm8zv it will improve over time however it’s not as planet destructive as battery technology people don’t see the bigger picture unfortunately when it comes to production and then real world use charging up from the grid 7-12 hrs charging for a small amount of miles in return and now to support this 16 new nuclear power stations around the uk not really nice to have if your in 30 miles radius and then you need to process the toxic waste from used nuclear materials and used lithium batteries especially nuclear waste you got keep it out the way for 120,000 years life expectancy so if you are looking at inefficiencies and carbon footprint and impact on life around the world hydrogen is better and will get better over time with investment and all you have as a waste product is water that’s it and when your car needs filling up 5-10 minutes at the station like what we doing now no waiting and no nasty toxic waste from recycling of old vehicles so no I completely disagree with what you say
@@CPU-64 Dude.. you have clearly no clue at all. Sorry.
@@Simon-dm8zv I have more of a clue than you dude you need to wake up and smell the coffee it’s all about the bigger picture sorry dude
@@CPU-64 You have a wrong view of the bigger picture.
This engine is a marvel. This is not the most in depth explanation. There is three types of hydrogen engines now. One by central injection which is carbureted. Two is the type of indirect injection. Three will be will be by fuel and air mixture during the intake combustion. Basically Hydrogen can be use as a Internal combustion engine.
Green hydrogen is a bad topic because we nobody wants Nuclear power. People act like electricity doesnt come from Coal. We need Hydrogen more power and more potential.
I don't like any using engine , because it got sound and getting hot , or douplicate , there are many trouble when using engine , need to maintain too much ,,,
so why does not make motorcycle use hydrogen
Why use compressed h2 when they could have a gasoline fuel reformer that makes hydrogen onboard with existing fueling supply chains? Solar Boosted electric vehicles is better anyway...
hydrogen is a gas using as a fuel but without electric motor cannot run, as a battery supply much better using the magnet
Together with Toyota. So basically Toyota made all the research and production and BME sells it for the double price.... I don't get why they don't work with Hydrogen (power) paste as a source. That would really change the market. - but ok. Innovation nowadays is only marketing and NLP talk...
#1
Number 1 who still after all these years never had a h2 production model??
Yeah... right...
The biggest energy resoucher was hydrogen...the abadon matery in the universe
My dream is to have a big V8 that is fueled by water. (*__*(
And roars like a Mustang at full throttle !!
YES!!! Hey. I'ma make a car company just for that. In the future. I was thinking of a car that can at least be a competitor to dodge. If they're around. Kinda funny how they said v8's are going to die. I say no.
I'd prefer a teleportation belt.
Invented by a filipino..
Is that right? Interesting
Isaac de Rivaz, France - 1807
for me, I choose Hydrogen Combustion Engine.
hydrogen cars can really ECONOMISE MORE FUEL COST THAN ELECTRIC CARS IF WE MODIFY OUR CURRENT HYDROGEN DISTRIBUTION APPROACH !
The biggest cause of hydrogen cost is that WE TRANSPORT HYDROGEN BY TRUCKS, IT IS EXPENSIVE. Just try to avoid to transport hydrogen by trucks, then hydrogen will be very cheap. It means that NEED TO PRODUCE HYDROGEN ON SITES (WHERE FILLING HYDROGEN), OR TRANSPORT HYDROGEN BY PIPE LINES.
So we need to make 1 or 4modifications :
1/ Distributed hydrogen production on sites : hydrogen filling stations should be equipped with electrolysers, so hydrogen filling stations can produce hydrogen on sites from electricity outlets, instead of just receiving hydrogen from other places. Thus avoid problem cost of transfer hydrogen by trucks. Besides, nets of electrolysing hydrogen filling stations are ideal markets for intermittent renewable energy.
It is new worldwide coming hydrogen distribution approach, so it opens markets of mobile small sized electrolysers. Electrolysers are not so expensive for hydrogen filling stations.
2/ Use compressed gas hydrogen batteries with mini household electrolysers/mini mobile electrolysers : small mobility vehicles/mobility machines/mobility robots/mobility drones …, will use hydrogen gas batteries (hydrogen gas battery =hydrogen fuel cell + compressed hydrogen gas ballon 200-300 bar). And each of these mobility machines can be sell with mini home electrolysers, so that owners can produce to fill hydrogen at homes (charge hydrogen batteries at home). Hydrogen ballon 300bar is enough, so that hydrogen battery 300bar(fuel cell +hydrogen ballon 300bar) can guarantee more energy capacity than best lithium batteries, and it guarantees that the size of hydrogen battery 300bar is not remarkable bigger than lithium battery of equivalent energy capacity. Of course 700bar allows more hydrogen storages, liquid hydrogen allows more hydrogen storage. But for hydrogen batteries, gas hydrogen ballons 300 bar are enough for balance of performance-capacity-size-energy convertion ratio-ballon material-simplicity.
Hydrogen batteries 300bar + mini mobile electrolysers are ideal for two-wheel vehicles/small cars/small robots/drones and for trend of hydrogen mobility devices anywhere (easy to operate anywhere and easy to charge anywhere with electricity).
3/ hydrogen batteries for big station energy storage : Independent hydrogen batteries (hydrogen fuel cell + compressed hydrogen ballons > 300bar) + independent electrolyser is best variant. when excess energy, then run independent electrolyser. When need electricity, then run independent fuel cell. And intrigued working mechanism between independent fuel cell and independent electrolyser. That is all ! No complex automatic control system.
4/ hydrogen filling stations need to prefer using hydrogen pipe line than transporting hydrogen by trucks.
5/ The fundamental science dictates essential truth advantages of hydrogen.
Science : if a chemical energy storage mechanism is charged as quick as producing hydrogen, then this mechanism PRACTICALLY CANNOT HAVE ENERGY CONVERTION RATIO BETTER THAN ELECTROLYSIS PROCESS. Besides, it is possible to adjust electrolysis reaction speed to get energy convertion ratio of electrolysis better than any chemical batteries. The best one of all possible chemical batteries in earth conditions is HYDROGEN BATTERY. All revolutions of chemical batteries, lithium batteries, LFP batteries, LTO batteries, graphene batteries .. are for reaching to the features of hydrogen batteries
Maybe for trucks, ships and such but batteries have won for cars. BMW and Toyota seem to want to fail the way they are going.
Nope...EVs make sense for a city car but for everything else hydrogen is the way to go...(with current battery technology charging takes too long and range isn’t good enough)
Lithium isn’t going to last forever... every time you charge you EV, the battery degrades too... hydrogen on the hand is abundant. BMW and Toyota are thinking LONGER term than what you think
@@Madzguy007 Been an element lithium will last quite some time. Batteries do degrade but now we can make them last much longer then the average car life span. Hydrogen is of course very abundant problem is the easiest place to get it is from water and that bond with oxygen is hard to brake and the loss between getting it and oxidizing it is large. There has been a load of advances making this less wasteful and there will be a hydrogen economy. Although for cars I can't see it making sense for example cost compared to batteries and just the pain going to charge it up were for a battery electricity is easy to get. Hydrogen powered ships yeah, seasonal energy storage and so all great. Running off electricity that would be curtailed.
@@p__jay and aging. You have to change the battery pack after 3 years... or sell the car...
Wierd ad...they didn't mention range ,price,safety etc which from customers point most important..instead they showing tech and the tech not yet ready to compete with ev..
It’s not really an ad though.
There are only around 20 moving parts in an electric engine, compared with nearly 2,000 in an internal combustion engine, so EV will need a lot less maintenance
That's future not electric !
Hyundai technologi can beat bmw technologi
Bmw fuel cell is from toyota dude. Its parts of tot toyota and bmw. Hyundai just newbie
BMW follow Toyota and behind time technology and follows stubbornness of one chief design engineer adopting expensive hydrogen fuel tank and liquid hydrogen for filling up tank via expensive refueling stations.
Advanced technology is to use totally safe clean fuel consisting of 60% methanol and 40% water for filling up standard car tank. When car is started fuel is feed to special heat ex-changer converting it to clean hydrogen as needed NO HYDROGEN FUEL TANK feeding fuel cell and powering electric motor. Tests conducted in Germany on prototype cars driven 1000 Km on one fuel tank (filling time 3 minutes) concluded this is best solution for clean and efficient energy car. The problem is that German and Japanese governments already invested billions in to expensive hydrogen production and infrastructure and are not easy to change to safe fuel of 60% methanol and 40% water.
Isn’t hydrogen extremely flammable?? Hate to get in a car accident w that...kabooom!!
Have you ever took the time to look up destructive test of hydrogen reserve?
Isn't Lithium-ion battery also extremely flammable? There are many Tesla's that are completely burned to ashes.
That's exactly what you do every day you use your ICE, just like any other fuel is dangerous if you don't take safety precautions. This is the future, real competition for batteries very soon!
Not any worse than a tank of gasoline.
Gas is extremely flammable too lol.. 99 percent of all cars in the world run on gas lol
Es tut mir leid wenn ich den deutschen Akzent so stark höre dann kommt mir das immer einen Ticken inkompetent vor
why the hell would you want this if you can just plug your car in? You guys have your heads screwed on backwards. A battery pack doesn't waste as much energy as hydrogen, and electric is cheaper. Theres literally no reason other than a quick fillup.
and whoever put these clips together for the video needs their head screwed on tight. Watching the same clip over and over again gave me a headache
@@davidanalyst671 exactly
I guess because someone driving from Los Angeles to Tucson wont like to stop at the middle of the road, waiting for at least one hour to get his battery charged.
Make it affordable.
Too many moving parts they want you to go back to dealers for maintenance don’t believe in the hype! Electric is way better. Less moving parts less maintenance and with solid state batteries coming into the market you would be able to charge in under 3 minutes! Bye hydro.
Electric will eventually die.
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Ich glaub's ja nicht: Am 30.3.2020 wieder der gleiche alte Text ... seit 1979 - wir haben 30 Jahre gebraucht ... und brauchen noch mindestens 10 Jahre bis zum bezahlbaren Produkt.
Nein, die e-Mobility findet in der Masse nicht mit dem FCEV statt. Manchmal muß man Entscheidungen mutig revidieren.
"Pfiat Di", BMW! Wir sehen uns so schnell nicht wieder.
voelkela wer will auch schon auf (im bild zu sehen) einem tank mit bis zu 700 bar sitzen .😱 alles nur ablenkungs manöver da bmw im batterieelektrischen segment im augenblick nur die veraltete technik des i3 ( auch mini) hat.🤔
Also Lithiumionen Batterien sind nun mal auch nicht das wahre. Man sollte in allen Bereichen forschen bis man wirklich eine gute Lösung gefunden hat und nicht nur immer das nächst beste.
HHO FREE GAS POWERED GENERATOR, NO BATTERY ALL HOOKED TO EV MOTOR, THATS THE FOREVER SOLUTION WITHOUT BATTERY FACADE TIMELINE TO REVEAL
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Wach tesla shit in the pant! plus can be use in the old engines!
It looks dangerous like u sitting over bomb while u driving
Razor are going to take another BMW
BMW i Hydrogen GTR confirmed
If you don't stop with the fuel cell talk we'll be seeing BMWYYQ. They've already had a hydrogen fuel-cell station explode. Now look at why Toyota just had to refund people six months of car payments on every hydrogen cars they have sold in CA.
They might be ready to blow some more so good citizen like you can keep the Petrol era alive a little bit longer. lol
Hydrogen car developed since 1979?? But Still its performance is inferior to ICE car counterpart for the same price..looks like a compliance car onlu
LOL HICE can outperform the power output of gasoline, this is why we use Hydrogen as a combustible to go to space. Just look up BMW Hydrogen 7, its can run on both gasoline and hydrogen.
@@manueldesmarais387 BMW 7 HICE data: acceleration 9.5secs(60mph), distance travel in pure hydrogen 125miles,torque : 290lb-ft,price :$118, 000 with that price you can get base Nissan Gtr and outperform in straight line and top speed., drag race or track it will leave bmw7 in dust, maybe in space but for passenger car I'm not convince its weight distribution far from performance, even for aerodynamic maybe you can't get 0.29 CD because you need huge air intake in the front, it will be bulky. For aerospace or ship agree
yes, since 1979. Fuel cells is a quite old technology. Companies didnt invest much on it because of oil&gas companies lobby...
So BMW have been working Toyota on this that explains why Toyota don't believe in BEV's much
The design of the factory looks like 1970 😂
Fool cell
yup
If you want to add more headaches to your life go and buy one , Imagine having a crash at 70 miles an hour head on What will happen to those hydrogen cylinders , you will be stuck with your main dealer for life for servicing , try to fix it with your local garage if something goes wrong they wouldn’t know where to start, so complicated and dangerous, battery much Simple and reliable
Performance will be impacted without big batteries.. vs Tesla model S this is trash
Joe Smith look up Hyperion
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