VALHEIM Update (PTB) ASHLANDS Is Now Super Easy! Big Changes To Flametal And Charred Spawns!
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- VALHEIM Update (PTB) ASHLANDS Is Now Super Easy! Big Changes To Flametal And Charred Spawns!
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I liked the spires submerging in the lava but they should make it to where to re emerge after some period of time
Exactly what I was thinking, that's how it should be
I've heard that they do reset eventually. Can't confirm myself as I haven't been in the Ashlands long enough. Love this biome after the initial punch to the face.
@@JR9825 they do reset, tho I played on a private server so idk if the reset times were tweaked or some other setting that allowed it. I knew it resetted because the spire had chunks removed from it, in which we farmed it before.
couldn't agree more, and the annoying bug that you somehow glide everytime you jump on it make it more dangerous than having to raid the fort, after i got staff of wilderness i only source my flametal from the fort because the flametal spire is more dangerous, the bug, the occasional lava spit and Valkyrie surprise.
Either that, or the the flametal u dont break, breaks by the lava but will only give 1x per node destroyed compared to the 3-4 u get from pickaxing
I was one of those players that found it impossibly hard to begin with. I'd always played melee and magic skills were 0. I wasn't using spawn suppression either. With the short days and high respawn rates it was very hard to progress into the biome. It was bad enough it took me 5 boats before I got a foothold on the beach. I wanted to give up. I felt like Valheim was no longer the game for me. The impression I got was "others are doing fine, you're just bad". I'd always played original settings with no mods or modifiers. I didn't call for nerfs, I was ready to accept it was no longer for me.
I didn't give up though. I made the rest of my staves, I already had embers staff and mage armor, I think my elemental magic was 11. That was it. So I looked up a video on magic leveling. Spent a few days away from the Ashlands and leveled elemental and blood to 30 of the recommended 60. I took healing and eitr meads, and...what a difference. I tore up that place. Until my magic got low again.
I've had to step away again cause I'm in the middle of moving house and I was doing more playing than packing, but when I can finally get back on I'll level up my magic again and go again.
Even though I'm now somewhat on top of it, I think the nerfs are welcome. I really feel like it was originally tuned for the group experience and heavy reliance on magic. now melee players might have a better chance and it opens things up slightly to more players than most realise.
"flametal spires will no longer submerge when mined"
Thank god. I was tired of having to sacrifire 75%+ of flametal because valkyrie said no. I'd honestly rather have them resurface or make those stupid birds not appear immediatly after the first pickaxe strike.
Honestly I just hate valkyries. It's impossible to run away from them. I don't mind the hard-hitting attacks, but the simple claw attack is just stupid. Full sprint with light armor penalty and it's too slow to avoid the simplest attack? I'd rather fight a stared morgen.
Run to structures, they give you cover long enough to catch your breath
As far as I understand, the change for the flametal pillars is due to a bug where the player would get stuck on the pillar and not being able to get off it when it submerges. In some cases, even having the headstone not being accessible anymore. So this would be more of a bandaid fix until they figure out how to deal with it.
Not true at all. We think it is a stressful design and with lots of players saying the same thing we changed it.
@grimmcoregames that's too bad. Some stress involved and wanting to optimize the mining and extraction was actually rewarding, instead of it being just a grind like other metals. There is plenty of metal going around with all the pillars and the fortresses. Not being able to finish a pillar is no big deal. A setting to stop sinking could work, both for these and the leviathans.
@@grimmcoregames i was just reading the replies from the test branch on discord, that's what I gathered. Through all the technical terms, i could have understood wrong.
@grimmcoregames at least that's what Smiffe said:
"the problem we have is that the moving platform makes them slippery. this is a bug we can't solve atm"
"basicly the game thinks your falling but you never "land" "
@@HandyHanderson That is also an issue, but it is fixable. It seems to happen in builds and not when playing in Unity. But even if that would be fixed. I still feel it only adds stress and unmotivated deaths.
Heres my take , keep the submerge but reduce lava dmg by 50% or somthing. Keep the danger but dont insta kill people in lava. Or atleast let fire resist work from pot and armor...
I don't feel like I'm a hardcore player, but I went solo on the initial release and managed a stable landing after the first patch. I think it is difficult and enjoyable as it is, and was a bit too much back then. If you understand the mechanics to prevent spawning, it is very doable to secure a landing zone and go from there. Now that they fixed the food so you can cook stuff without metal, you should be able to sustain yourself in the Ashlands, with a farm in your previous base.
Making the mobs spawn further away and not immediately aggro would help with securing an area while still making fights big and hectic if you run around. With more delays and lower total mob numbers, the feeling the devs wanted of "being at war" will be lost. Ashlands was fun because the feeling was pushing against the charred, not just slowly grinding progression. Lowering combat challenge and making mining easier is a step in the wrong direction for me.
And no, I can't just crank up difficulty to compensate, because higher difficulty changes the game balance (more mob damage means blocking is now useless, more mob health means you never stagger them), not the mob density. However, decreasing the difficulty was a solution for anyone struggling. If you kill enemies faster, you will have time to catch your breath and if they don't hit as hard, you will die less and need less time to catch your breath.
I had to make like 10 ugly pillars with hoe and put workbenches on top of them just to not waste half of the in-game day by clearing mobs from where I landed my ship and built my portal every time I go to Ashlands. It makes progression tedious and unfun. I completed everything up to this point without cheesing it on default difficulty but the current state wants me to either not play at all or just cheese it with building these pillars every couple of meters where nothing can reach me and I can spawn-proof it for future with a workbench. It is not good imho. First 2 minutes in Ashlands are harder than the last boss.
@@lamebubblesflysohigh raising the ground to build a safe spot for your portal and stuff is not cheesing, I just finished beating it solo and didn't have to cheese anything. You just gotta play smart. Always have a portal close, rested buff and health and stamina potions. Then learn the mobs attacks and counter. That's it. If the ashlands was easy ud probably hate it more
@@dirtbagpsn740 yea doing it here and there to make a base is ok but literally having to spam these pillars just to prevent mobs from non-stop spawning and immediately aggroing on me the moment I step out of portal is over the top. I know how to fight in this game, that is not the problem. My problem is having to do it nonstop because by the time I finish killing the last one, new ones are spawning and when I finally get to "that ruin over there" it it is already almost night. That is ridiculous and in my opinion tedious/unfun. I don't mind fighting hoards of enemies but give me some time to look around when I kill them. The most effective strategy I have found since yesterday is to just ignore mobs and run past them until I either encounter askvin or something interesting at which point I pillar up and kill anything that followed me with magic, quickly discard unwanted loot and run past everything that spawned again to next point of interest... in MY OPINION this is bad game-play loop and it would be better if spawn rate or spawn time was tuned down.
@@lamebubblesflysohigh Overexaggerating. you don't have to spam anything. You make 1 base. You identify where u wanna go. and then you go there. You don't HAVE to fight every mob. You can also retreat to your spire. Do you just facetank everything because it's there? watch?v=BTJU6kMoBiw That is a video I quickly recorded of my Debug flying to ashlands on a new map to see how "Tedious and unfun" the spawns are. After the initial fight, almost Nothing happens for the remainder of the time. And then I uploaded and edited the video WHILE standing in the same place in game for an additional 10 minutes. The spawns are NOWHERE near as bad as you are making it out to be. And yes this is the CURRENT build in the CURRENT spawns.
@@facelesshalo5174 well I am obviously not alone because devs took steps to address it. Btw I figured out I don't have to fight anything just because it is there as I wrote earlier above. I've overcome the challenge of this place but not engaging with it at all until I have to a.k.a the "run past everything" strategy".
ashlands hasnt been too bad for me so far, but the thing that pissed me off to the point of not wanting to play was actually not being able to place the stone portals down on my big marble portal hub i built specifically for the new shiny portals
You can't?? Gdi
yeah, annoying...i solved it by breaking the floor, putting it down on the ground and rebuild the floor through it
That's a bug, already fixed in public test branch, so we can expect next live/stable patch fixes it
Place structure first, then terraform around it
It’s skill drop death penalty that gets me. Progression into new Biomes has always been difficult. They just need to tweak the spawn rates. I don’t think that we should be fighting 3 Morgens and 2 Valkyries at the same time. Especially when all I’m doing is picking Fiddleheads.
My only problem with the Flametal spires is that they’re too rare. Same with the gemstones. My world is coming near depletion of gems and I still have a lot of gear to make and upgrade. (I like crafting everything for display)
I heard if your world was before the update you might have less spires, fortresses, and holes but mine seems to be filled with them.
@@nulliegullie1467 it’s a Mistlands world. I made sure to stay very clear of the Ashlands as to not generate any part of the biome. It seems to have generated properly. I’ll have to check it out on the seed generator
I'm thinking about trying to load my player from before ashlands while keeping my world to try to get my stats back. Anyone else try this?
The gem thing is actually an issue, since there are only 20 forts that can spawn them, and after raiding 13 of them, 4 had zero gems.
And after those are gone, you aren't getting more, they should at least add an option to buy them from Hildor or Hildir after you beat Fader.
I haven't found any gems yet. Found 1 fortress which had no chests or flametal at all. Really disappointing given the grind it took to get there.
I welcome these changes
As a solo I never bothered with the Flametal cause it was too high risk for reward. The fortresses offer all you could ever want plus the precious gems. Now I'd at least consider them.
Fortress siege: Troll Stav + Tentacles + Protection. Don't use that useless battering ram on anything. Setup portal inside. Repeat.
@@FantasticMrGhost
I just raise some land wall and jump inside the fort.
I took 5 forts so far.
@@Boris82 Cheater! :P
I think instead of completely getting rid of the flametal submerging, just extend the amount of time until they actually do start to sink. That’s a good inbetween I think.
I'm happy that I got to experience and enjoy both Mistlands and Ashlands pre major nerfs. The way I play I've basically broken the brutal survival aspect of the game and enjoy the challenge of working around the devs plans.
I play completely vanilla and default but use whatever is available.
My feeling is that a @tuning@ they could add would be having not harder hitting enemies but more aggressive enemies. A toggle to make everything a "wolf" .
I would give everything a toggle. Spawn rates, spawn cool-down, damage etc. 4 difficulties. Default would be curated by devs, Easy would be default with everything -20%, Hard would be Default +20% and Custom would be whatever the player (or server master) deems appropriate. Do you like the default game but you think monsters in Ashland spawn too often? Keep everything on default and just nerf spawn cooldown of Ashland mobs. Balancing problem solved.
I can help fill people in on the Xbox side of things: My friends and I are in love with this game, flaws and all, and the #1 issue is still frame rate. I have never seen this game run over 17 fps. I play Valheim despite this, but the great majority of the difficulty doesn't come from the spawn rates, enemy behavior, or accessibility of resources. It's all from trying to fight, build, and mine at 6 fps.
I think that your suggestion about having a chance of the pillars sinking is ideal. I'm still preparing for the Queen boss fight so I haven't yet experience the Ashlands...apart from venturing too close and running into Bonemaw anyway.
< SPOILER ALERT>i kinda liked the mechanics of the Pillars aaand kinda not...to be fair, i mined only 1 pillar on my whole playtrough.(single player) After the first sucessfull raid on a fort, i had realised, that the forts give u more amount of Flammetal than the pillars.From the pillars i was able to mine 10-12 FM before it submerged, and the first fort gave me 30. So in the constant lavadanger sadly isnt worth the time and effort to mine the pillars (solo player). After my Bros joined to me was a bit easier, and we earned more FM, but the raids also was on Forts more easier with more player. I think the idea was great, just sadly wasnt.. wort it. :/
Fort the spawn-nerf, i think its a good choice. It was really annoying sometimes, that i fighting a morgen, a walkyre and a lot of charred guys. Even if i managed to beat them, after the last enemy felled, the first already respawned. So i welcome the change, but we will see... i think its a bit too mutch...we'l see.
Context: I started a new world and character for a solo playthrough of the Ashlands (seed: AshSeed).
My thoughts on the Ashlands and also on the current updates to the PTB:
- About spawn rates: The spawn rates were bad. I was able to manage but it was a lot of effort just to exist in the new biome and that started to detract from the fun for me. I like that they're addressing spawn rates but maybe they've taken it too far in the other direction (time will tell). People that are complaining about the spawn nerf need to remember that the DEFAULT difficulty settings should be for the AVERAGE player and that difficulty jump from Mistlands to Ashlands on these default settings was definitely too high for the average player (the difficulty curve on any setting should be as smooth and consistentas possible). On the flip side, the devs should definitely include some sort of difficulty settings that allow the more hardcore players to up the spawn rate to be more like OG Ashlands. Permanently taking that away from those that loved that gameplay is a bit sad.
- About lava blobs: I like the lava blobs. At first you don’t know what they do and they can result in your death but then learning and dodging their attack pattern not only feels good but then learning to use them as a tool to get the upper hand in battle: great game design. Not sure how I feel about the spawn rate change. Part of me wants more. Maybe there should be less or it would help too much.
- About Flametal: I'm pretty happy with it. Not sure if I've gotten lucky with my world but there is MORE than enough for me to make whatever I need (the forts on average have had quite a bit of it too). So no complaints about quantity. Also, I really liked the sinking feature. The sea leviathans teach us this mechanic so it's not a complete surprise (again, good game design). However they need to fix their map gen algorithm so that spires can't spawn inside rocks. One of the first F.spires I found was inside a rock and so I was mining both at the same time. When it sunk I got glitched into the rock and then died in the lava inside the rock (that was not a fun body to retrieve!). I like the idea of spires coming back up after a while so you can come back and continue mining them (despite there being plenty around, it's sort of like OCD/FOMO that makes me not like missing out on mining some of it). I actually thought they did return because I swear I've come back and found an empty spire that I had previously mined...
- About lava: this needs work. First things first, they need to fix the thing where there are random little divots in the ground with almost no visual indication of lava but you just start burning there. They need to fix some of the things that make you fall into lava like the slippery bases of F.spires or the spikes on forts that pinball you all over the place (I was up on a wall once and accidentally walked too close to the wall spikes and then got bounced around a bunch before being launched into the lava). Also... the lava shouldn't kill you as quickly as it does. Rather than guaranteed death in under 2 seconds, how about in under 10 seconds? Also the temp platforms from the bombs should spawn a bit faster AND shouldn't cover your grave stone (you should be able to acces your grave even if you accidentally threw a bomb too close to it).
- About the gems: there aren't enough of them. I've done 5 forts and only gotten 4 gems (and none of them have been Jade stone). I've looked at my world seed in a map gen and I think I only have approx. 15-20 forts in my entire world. At this rate I don’t know if I'll have enough gems in the ENTIRE world to try making everything I wanna make. This is painful and I'm playing solo. I dread to think how a server with multiple people would fare with so few gems.
- About forts: I had a bad time with one of them and then a fine time with the rest. Maybe I got unlucky or maybe their spawn limits need a rethink because one of them actually had way too many dudes in it. I also think they need to make the forts come with some enemy version of the totem (like Dverger forts in Mistlands) so that you can't build or change terrain around the forts because that makes it too easy to cheese.
- About enemy attack AI: I like it. Good job. The only thing I don’t like is when enemies just wander off mid combat and then come back way later.
There's probably more but that's all I remember right now.
Yea, the spawn rates are what made me change playstyles as a solo player. Ashlands was real rough at first as a melee in Mistlands gear. I kept getting swarmed and stamina starved, and then a Morgan or Valkyrie would swing by and it'd be GG.
After switching to bows, it became a lot more manageable. And then switching to Askvin gear was a game changer. No longer slowed by armor and the stamina buffs from the gear felt so good. I can run and kite forever it feels like. Hopefully these spawn rate changes help with the forts though. I've only taken on one but it was an hour-long siege. It was really fun though and I was rewarded with some gems.
One of these gems was a lightning one, and it allowed me to upgrade my bow so that it shoots lightning arrows that chain! Now I'm just working on farming Flametal for the armor etc but it's gonna be hard going back to melee after this.
I suggest trying the dual axes, upgrading it to lightning shreds, and fortresses will be boring. Just pop that bonemass, and those sieges will be done in minutes.
At first, I was about to rage quit the Ashlands. But, once the player obtains the secret sword and the new awesome magic weapons, it's a really fun experience. The mistake some seasoned players are making is talking down to those who are having trouble. "Git Gud, bruh!" or "There's a difficulty slider, bruh!". Instead of being helpful and guiding less experienced players to understand (without spoilers) that it does get easier. The Ashlands is meant to be tough - a shock to the progression we normally have been used to. But, Iron Gate is listening to the majority and that's all good to me.
As much as I really do love the difficulty of the Ashlands, I do think that it needs to be tuned down a bit. I fought Fader recently and honestly, it was harder fighting the mobs to clear out the area before the boss fight than it was to actually fight the boss. Fortresses also need some BIG changes. Pathetically easy to siege with magic, no dungeon due to lack of time, and having metal in the forts makes the pillars completely pointless. I really do enjoy the Ashlands, but it definitely still needs some tweaking.
The spawn rates needed to be adjusted. Making progress is frustrating when you have to keep clearing mobs just to get a few fiddle heads to make more food cause you wasted it all on corps runs because a fallen valkyrie, a morgen (or 2), 3 asksvins and 6 charred spawned on you out of nowhere. That is not an exaggeration. I like that Ashlands is a challenge, and I don't want the enemies themselves nerfed, but the spawns are excessive, even after all the patches that reduced them a bit. You want a hardcore experience, use the world modifiers. The baseline, especially for solo players, should be a bit more manageable. Valheim has always been a bit tough, but it was always fun. It hasn't been as fun recently.
I kinda liked Ashland as is, it seemed quite challenging and forces you to put all the skill and knowledge up to that point to the test. We literally go to hell...viking hell. Been moving slowly, tactically, blocking spawns to secure paths and facing the dangers head on. I've died a lot, and lost my tamed asksvins many times, died to lava or slightly lit up grounds, but game will remain fun either way.
I loved that the flametal spires submerged. Was awesome! Exaxtly as you said
I like Ashlands. Constant enemies, dark, death around every corner. Reminds me of malevelon creek in helldivers
'Flametal spires no longer submerge'
That is good, i assume they fixed the sliding bug on the platform?
Because last time I couldn't even climb up the spire...
i feel like the flametal spires could just stay alive longer / resurface back faster, keep the submerging mechanic!
Or idk maybe create a harpoon attachment to the ballista that could keep it in place?
Playing in groups isn't necessarily easier.
My two good friends die all the time.
One is extremely casual and the other is a crazy risk taker.
They both have all their skills in the single digits.
3 players means monster are much tougher and harder to kill.
I find myself swarmed and look around, my casual friend is dead because she never dodges or rolls, and my daring friend was trying parkour over the lava and fell in, so I'm solo against the swarm that is much harder to kill than it would be if I were playing solo.
I love these friends, I love playing with them, it's funny more than it's frustrating, but yeah, it doesn't make it easier.
Not at all.
I am very happy the pillars don't submerge anymore. Mainly due to the issue of retrieval when you die. Firstly the flammetal can break in unpredictable ways sending you to your death almost instantly. I know that I'm not the only player who has no idea the way a rock I hit might break, making it hard to guess if I might fall as the ground beneath me shatters. In 90% of Valheim, this is not a problem but in the ashlands it is near certain death. Second I find retrieving lost gear in lava to be uniquely challenging. Granted you could tame Ashvins or use Basalt bombs but combine the lava with large enemy spawns that do not get slowed or damaged by lava can lead to an awful lot of death runs with little hope of getting your equipment back.
Granted I am not sure such a drastic nerf to enemy spawns was needed but I am sure more balance patches will come as the months go on.
Personally I loved conquering the ashlands as a solo melee player. Going from difficult fights against waves of new enemies at the shore to picking apart groups and using enemy attacks against each other was very satisfying. The sinking flametal pillars was also a unique and rewarding challenge. I wish they would add a world modifier that gives players the original unnerfed experience of biomes for cases like this and the mistlands seeker ai nerf.
They should make it sink at a rate that you can escape when all of the metal is mined off the platform.
They should make the spires either re emerge in the same spot or allow new ones to emerge randomly
So it’s going to be a ghost town now? It wasn’t really bad before. Mix in ranged attacks and reposition if needed, the enemies are slow so escaping isn’t difficult. It’s an advanced biome in a survival game. You take the time to make the best provisions and best gear and lay siege to the new biome. It’s not supposed to the Black Forest all over again where you just run in there grab everything right away and be done. It gets easier as you progress just like the biomes before, even still I find my mistlands weapons (Mistwalker and Spinesnap) to be dominant. Never personally used magic but I’ve seen what it can do. New staffs are ridiculously good especially for crowds. I’m happy people are getting changes they’re requesting to make the games more enjoyable. But I personally feel a lot of people just don’t want a challenge at all, personally I’d like to opt out of these changes
My theory on the lava laviathan's not sinking anymore is because they can't find / fix the bug where you slide all over / get stuck in falling mode. The developer said on a podcast that bug is so hard to find and has existed since vanilla while on a sinking leviathan. He said when he tests in unity it NEVER happens, but when they compile the game the bug happens. So they are at a loss. My guess is they just thought okay if we can't get it to be bug-free we have to pull the feature for something as important as flametal.
If you want to listen to him talk about this search for Valheim dev podcast. It's on Jiroc the viking's channel
Flametal spires submerging were a pain without the bombs. Just got more than I needed from the fortresses so never bothered with them.
Good news overall. Playing Solo just got incredibly frustrating. My biggest peeve is that you almost have to do mage to complete and I really hate that concept. They need to balance the mage and melee concept!
Make the spire respawn instead of not submerging it ruins the thrill if it does stay
yes
My biggest issue with ashlands is more about the rubber banding and teleporting of mobs, i know its also a server issue but it's so much noticeable in ashlands than in prior locations. Everything before ashlands was pretty optimized, we played on a private server. The spawns was a little ridiculous but part of the frustration was the technical issues mostly. I didn't mind the spire submerging as well.
I'm a casual player and not particularly good *gg* but I really liked the sinking flametal spikes. First time took me by surprise and I ... died :D But as Jade said maybe a 50/50 chance? Pretty happy with the reduced charred spawns, though.
Bruh, I chose a good time to get back into Valheim. Me and my teammate were getting burnt out a few weeks ago because we were constantly under attack, and we haven't even found a spire yet.
The biggest issue I have with Ashlands is the density of monsters and the range at which they get aggro'ed. I think the density could be reduced *slightly* but rather than drastically reduce the numbers I think they should just reduce the range they get aggro'ed so that every fight doesn't result in you being mobbed.
The flametal thing is interesting. Rather than having the spires submerge, how about just having them crumble to pieces after a certain amount of damage, leaving just the rock base and if you are lucky, a few chunks of ore?
Imo, they should release a mead that gives immunity to lava for a short duration, kinda like the obsidian skin potion from terraria because i agree with the unique aspect of mining flametal and its sad to to see such a cool feature being taken away
2 mod changes and Ashlands is not only doable Solo (and of course in small groups) but is Hella fun.
1) Use Epic Loot and prioritize movement and damage output. Need to include augmenting pants with Featherfall and Air Jump.
2) Edit the Valheim Plus config file to eliminate all Stam use.
It becomes easy as pie as soon as you get your hands on the axes and a bit of armour and the fortresses was easy to do solo by jumping over the wall lol
I was definitely getting bored with exploring the biome just running into a seemingly endless hoard of enemies, feeling as though no matter how many you took down in a given area, the moment you started cutting down trees or building they were all back again within a minute. It made me feel like I spent every day fighting and getting nowhere. The enemies themselves are excellent, they're a fantastic challenge even after 50 days or more in the ashlands (as someone who only plays 2 or 3 games). I do agree though that the flametal towers should still sink, but ,as suggested by others, I would advocate that they should respawn randomly like the leviathan's so that you can always get enough metal if you put the time in hunting for them, especially if you're mining solo.
I only died once because of hidden lava in the corner of a building. Since the spawns are crazy, blobs destroy terrain and asksvins are incredibly fast to breed (no pop/area destriction) I just flooded the Ashlands with 1stars. Just put a fire on a random little stone (not on ash) let 20 eggs get warm, portal away, come back 1day later, let em hatch, portal away and come back 2 days later. Fader looked like Eikthyr against 20 of these 😄
Honestly, I have found so many people play very irresponsibly. I'm not saying Spawns CANT spike, but the difficulty is hoenstly nowhere near as bad as people keep saying it is. I am a solo playerm ostly. I died dozens of times doing the dreaded corpse run. But the second I figured out how to get through it. My base was up. And I got all the gear I needed and I tore through Ashlands. These nerfs are only going to make the space boring. Ashlands doesn't have A LOT going for it outside of combat. Maybe that's a problem sure, but reducing the only thing its got going for it isn't the right call.
FYI, folks, this is still on Public Test and is NOT live if you play in normal servers.
I think the biggest problems people have with Ashlands is that it's all the way on one end of the map and a failed landing can result in gear being stranded or, best case scenario, a really long trip back to the Ashlands that can take around 30 minutes. A world size option for solo players and a less punishing death mechanic that still punishes death would change a lot of opinions. People don't mind losing so much as they mind being forced to waste time after losing, especially in a game that already is a bit grindy for solo players
My biggest thing is, the lava. Why did they make it so you instantly die from touching it? Even when wearing upgraded ashlands armor. I feel like a better improvement for mining the metal spires is to not instantly die when touching the lava. I would feel much better about the spires sinking if I knew I wouldnt instantly die upon making an easy mistake. Or even when exploring you mistake a speck of lava under brush and instantly die when accidentally touching it.
Dont get me wrong - i like a challenge, and I died alot when Mistlands came out and i died alot in Ashlands. But to stop exploring to fight a whole army every 10m takes the fun out of it. So reducing spawn is a step in the right direction, but they forgot to half the spawners for Bonemaws and to double the respawn time for the Valkyries...
My personal problem with Flametal was the fact that salt bombs only last 1 minute or so and it takes 2-3 minutes to mine. So your platforms are failing while mining. In addition, random molten explosions through me off my platform twice in my limited play. In addition monster spawns begin attacking you while mining so you have to fight them off.
The whole thing was just silly.
My group quit Valheim and started playing SoulMask, which is everything Valheim is trying to be. I doubt we will go back.
I loved the challenge of the Ashlands, at first. My main issue is the repetition of the combat. Instead of reducing the spawn rate, I would have preferred giving us a way to conquer/tame the Ashlands. Maybe by something like the shield generator which reduce the respawn in a sizable area, or a ritual you can perform for the same effect. Or maybe have the main respawns come from the destroyable spawners, kill those and the respawns in that area is reduced. A way to feel that you expand your influence in the area, even if only for a little while.
Why am I still fighting 6 of each type of charred while fighting vultures at the same time😭
Well that is going to suck. They are about to make the zone super easy.
I found the zone stupid hard when I first got in it, I had no idea what anything was. But after realizing what the monuments were and that I needed to remove them, things became way easier.
Built a wall around my zone away from my main structure while in the area of a single shield generator, kept enemies from attacking me and getting agro.
I easily run thru the biome with no issue, occasionally when getting to a location of interest I'll stop and attack the enemies around me to make a clearing. I do tank build, so shield and Frostner with heavy armour, no issues. Most of my deaths have mainly been from getting knocked into lava or jumping/falling into lava.
Hate they are removing the whole feature of Lavaeithans, that was an interesting thing, maybe make it where they submerge and re-merge after a period of time. Because it is annoying you can not mine it all, but it happens. The amount of metal per world is still crazy high so that doesn't even matter.
I’d say the flametal spikes should respawn in some amount of time, but the spike should come back with the same amount of ore it left. 😊
I bet they couldnt fix the bugs with the spires lol
Maybe I'm just really good after all the hours of playing, but I think that this will make it a little too easy. I've had to learn how to manage my food and stamina with all those enemies coming and now when I play from the start again, other biomes seem like a piece of cake. I really liked (love/hate) the flametal pillars sinking, as it made an interesting challenge. The only gripe I had with the ashlands was that every five minutes a fallen Valkyrie would spawn above my base and I'd have to fight it off again and fix my base.
Not going to lie I’m a casual player I had to put it on passive to get established
Just finished solo running the game through again. I love the ashlands. It is absolutely hell being there and i died a lot and dying in valheim can be really heartbreaking. But i had fun, i feel like the difficulty progressed perfectly. Lava was my biggest enemy from falling off my basalt platform. I agree with the grouping spawn nerf because there are times that you just cant do anything because of stamina but the flametal change is lame
Vikings who log off after mining a flametal ore, reseting the submerging mechanic, and getting 80+ flametal per spire:🗿
Even reducing the settings does not reduce the spawn rates. I should be able to go from very easy back to atleast easy in solo.
Im playing the game right now with a group of 3 of my friends. We started on normal and now on easy. Today we go to the ashlands for the first time and me being the only one whos really looking into the game to help us through it. I AM SCARED FOR US. We had a really rough time getting to close to the plains early when trying to enter the swamp near its boss. Cant wait for the ashlands spawns to fuck us.
I want a Mistlands update where there is not a spire every inch of the biome
The only thing that i wish the devs would nerf is that mobs from higher difficulties need to stop spawning in the meadows at night.
I think a 50+% decrease in spawn rate is heavy handed....20-30% is more reasonable. If they want to make destroying spawner being more impactful, they should increase the density of spawner as a compensation..
I hope they solve the issue that tamed asksvin(especially with saddle on) running off too easily which ruin its possibility as a viable combat companions.
I'm sure they have data on how many players interacted with Flametal spires and found them too dangerous and not rewarding enough. I personally would skip them and just go after a fortress. now, I might not.
Good changes, i hope they make it to live.
For those of us relatively new to Valheim, about how long do PTBs usually run before becoming live in game?
2 to 3 weeks usually
Bummer, I wanted to complete Ashlands pre-nerf.
Agree on the points about listening to community feedback. The question devs need to ask is "who is this community I am getting feedback from" because there are more parts to a community playing a game than are often giving the feedback. Loudest people can be the smallest groups sometimes like hardcore players. You need to carefully assess who is shouting at you to change something
well it is abrutal game and if the only peopel playing and trying it in these ptb are hardcore not much they can do? thats why they then nerf more after its released for everyone also ltes be real this is still early access, the fact they care so much to try get it right is testament to teh quality
@@Jade-PG Yea fair. I mean I don't know the answer, I just see the problem I guess. I love the Devs for valheim. Theyve done a great job
What weapon were you using at 9:55?
dundr you can craft on mage table with some flammetals and bloodstone
I enjoy how hard it is at the moment. It's not meant to be easy but it is fun. But that's a personal opnion. However, the flametal nodes are a pain to harvest. I play solo its hard to farm them.
my experience with the Ashlands was just annoying. Your gear is always mostly broken because you are getting mobbed contently. Most of the mobs where fun to fight and cool looking, maybe the can up the durability of equipment if they don't want to nerf spawns.
I wish they just made the traditional combat as effective as they made the magic. I don't like the idea of nerfing the world.
Yeah melee needs a face lift for sure.
Haven't played Ashlands yet, but looking at it makes me wish they'd stop making the new biomes so annoying to traverse. Like the fog in the previous update, all the climbing and jumps. I miss the simpler biomes.
I've handled every biome on the default. When Ashlands asskicked me, I got so mad because I just couldn't progress once I got on shore... I didn't get any time to explore, find out enemy weaknesses, I didn't even get time to read the stupid Raven so if he gave me tips or just said "Welcome to Hell" I don't know.
So I watched a guide on CZcams and after that everything was easy. Sure, there are too many enemies sometimes but they're not difficult to beat if you're not overrun.
Point is: I played every biome AND Mistlands without having to look up a guide. I rarely want to spoil my experience. But I had to do so to actually play Ashlands. That is not how it should be. Content should be approachable as long as you're geared up properly.
And the fact that Ashlands was easy after figuring everything out just shows that I am right. As long as you get time to explore and experiment, the game is approachable. You don't tell a student driver to ride the highway before you teach him to change gears and how to use the breaks.
I loved the difficult Ashlands
Killed 2 bonemaw upon entry.
Lava blobs and charred warriors destroyed my Drakkar within 5 min of landing.
Fled from every mob.
Took refuge in a putrid hole(discovered recipe for stone portal).
Found some grausten ruins where i built shield generator and stone portal.
Had no clue about flametal pillars. I found flammetal ore in dverger settlements and charred fortresses.
This biome made me enjoy Valheim for the survival game that it was.
Other biomes: enter from an adjacent meadows/black forest biome and make mobs fight each other. Booooring.
They should make the difficulty slider affect it more like this. Not just patch the existing one.
Will be pretty boring probably 🤔
I like the changes and look forward to them. Should make Ashland's much more playable. not so worried about the flammetal though it will be helpful. The spawn frequency for me is really the big issue. No time to do anything but fight. Fighting is fine but just not the only reason I play the game. I want the other parts and if all I am doing is fighting constant spawns it gets old fast.
Current Ashland is so unforgiving tbh, in fact Ashland is the only time I activated devcommands a.k.a cheat. Heck, I dont want to rebuild another Drakkar.
Im a little disappointed they keep nerfing biomes, I’m not very good at survival games but adapting to the Ashland’s was easy, every biome is the same pattern, learn the mobs attacks, upgrade your equipment accordingly and prepare for the worst(potions and portal if you’re travelling far far from home).
They definitely needed to fix that bug with the flame tap making you float to your death 💀
Well I think it's a fun biome, I liked the challenge initially, but few days in, I was sick and tired of the neverending mob spawn, I would argue that they are not even that hard, its just annoying and exhausting constantly being combat , like carpal tunnel annoying ...So i'm glad they are balancing this, bc having mobs constantly pop in is not only annoying but immersion breaking too .
Hmm... I think, the problems with the Balance of the game isnt the amount of enemies per se. Its more playstyle dependent. In my experience in the solo game, a magic type build is way more effective than heavy armor. Just cast three to four roots with staff of the wild, maybe have some skeleton decoys and jump around while they do the rest. Even one star morgans together with 2 star skeletons and archers and askvins... if a valkyrie joins the dance, shoot it with your bow while your roots deal with the other mobs. Ive beat fader that way without even looking at him. Kite him and let the roots do the rest. A summoned troll into a group of loxes can one shot all 3 loxes just by impact. So from my point of view, ashlands dont need to be made more easy, but the heavy armour with shild builds need a serious buff.
Also I think its unfortunate that the fortresses dont need to be sieged at all when useing a magic/archer build. Just build some stairs and kill everything from far away.
No need for the flame metal pillors either - got two whole blackmetal chests full of flame metal just from fortresses.
And I think, thats where some tweeking should be done
I love this game spent over 1000 hours, mist lands was hard more so of terrain but Ashland's was too much. the amount of spawns to the frequence was too much. This gives me hope i get back into the swing of it. Ive bet this game 4times with plains 2twice with mistlands. and even did a hard run.
I myself won't be playing until the public test patch makes Ashland's a bit easier. Those who love the difficulty should use the commands to increase the player count and stop trying to ruin other people's fun. I had to cheat fully upgraded flametal and all the weapons, the best food and *still got wiped out!* Mind you, flametal armor can't even be upgraded to level 4 yet, but the nocost dev command allows you to fully upgrade anything to it's maximum, without materials, without the correct level crafting table/forge and even at any of the crafting objects! Yes, no cost let's you make flametal armor at a cauldron. I thought that was super funny.
The sheer number of mobs and these lightning fast respawns were what kept killing me, even with better gear than is even normally possible! These nerfs needed to happen. In my level 3 mistlands gear, using bonemass power and potions, I was able to survive and kill a single spawn event, albeit with difficulty, but when another 12 charred skeletons spawned nearby (yes, *TWELVE* charred skeltons, some of them 1 star!), that was the end for me. Even after decking myself out, the respawning still killed me eventually. It was outrageous.
I don't like the idear of the pillars submerging, running a server with multiple people leaves a grind of resources to make sureeveryone is about the same progression when playing with friends, having a massive resource node just "lol cya!" Is frustrating, imagine if iron copper and silver nodes just decided to disappear when mid mining having to grind more hours to find another node to make sure everyone together is prepared.
Maby having it a option for single player I can see, but in a puplic muktiplayer I can see one guy going around delibretly sinking them leaving everyone else with noting.
No, the flametal ore towers should not submerge. There's a limited amount of this resource in the world itself and for solo players, getting into a fort can be extremely difficult. This leaves no real other method to get the ore unless it's via a tower.
How do you fix the conundrum....if you want the spires to sink. Make them respawn as well. Then solo players can get some ore since it's incredible for building and then you can have your sinking spires and everyone is happy.
the only thing i wished they would do is increase the droprate a bit for the warlock trophy. ive been hunting that fella for over 40 ingame days/nights i got a lot of stuff but still no trophy [its the only one i still have to get]
Warlock seems only spawning in fortress/ purple spawner (flaming sword event, all2*)
If you really want one, better go into fortress and leave one spawner alive...
@@blo5980 that is exactly what i did, i kept 1 spawner alive in a fortress buildt some grausten walls and ceilings destroyed the work benches afterwards so valkyries cant see me fighting and i kept going and going but no trophy dropping
@@slayerdude18 after i seige all 20 fortress, i get 3 trophies, not sure i give up all the drop. Perhaps you better spend your time of seiging next fortress.
@@blo5980 thats the problem, in the current world i got. [i double checked] there is only 1 fortress left and thats the one ive been at for days XD
@@slayerdude18 ok, go get another worldXD, i am pretty sure you have all you needXD
We played Ashland last night and tbh we have been playing it for a while now and all we can say is how can they release a level that is even worse than Mistlands. Mistlands was annoying AF but Ashlands is even worse and it’s no longer fun to play and here is why:
Spawning:
--Mobs spawn and Askins bundle you and respawn all the god damn time...and then you Die!
At night it is even worse!
Combat / gameplay :
-- At times you will be bundled by enemy after enemy only to pick up 50 rocks by accident and your pitiful stamina will not even be enough to out run Askins or Fallen Valkyries or even vultures...and then you Die!
-- Fighting near lava you will be hit by a Askin and thrown into lava. You have about 1 second in lava to get out before you die, 1 SECOND!. This is one of the most annoying things in the game. FFS give the player at least some time to do something!
-- The boiling ocean is the most stupidest idea ever! you fall in the water, most of the time you have so little stamina even with 3 meals in your belly you will find it impossible to find and jump up out of the water even a simple boulder and you boil to death...then you Die!
Sailing
-- You need a new boat to get to Ashlands, I bet the devs thought. Hey let make this as hard Afing possible so that our loyal players stop playing our game! Let give them a huge boat make it have the worst manoeuvrability and turning circle ever and place dragon spike ridiculous obstacle rock course everywhere in the coastline and to to it all off! Then spawn in a million sea monster and vulture that attack you every 10 meters!
lighting :
--its pitch black when the storms hit ashland, you cant see FA this is a huge gameplay issue when you cant even see the landscape, that monster or those obstacles to even fight...then you Die
Pets :
-- skeletons most of the time simply walk through the Lava and then you Die!
-- Your skeletons last 2 seconds in water they boil to death the AI is so dumb you think they would be able to avoid this but no.
Getting your body back :
-- Nigh on impossible most of the time for all the above reasons!
--Reloading your save ( yes cheating don't care Ashland is s**t as it is!) results in your friend player re spawning where they died (not in the last claimed bed) in the middle of Ashland or in the middle of the ocean where you boil to death...then you Die.
All in all its another Car crash update! From these people. Did they even play test it to find out if it was too hard or even fun? It seem a repeating pattern! I’ve almost played 1000 hours in this game! I’ve really enjoyed the game up until Mistlands and then something went very very wrong!
Tips for IronGate; Make PTB harder to access, change password often. And to get the new pw, you have to fill out a short survey. Such popular game as Valheim, they more player data then they can handle, so why not squeeze more quality out of the PTB-players when it comes to feedback. I see to many players join the PTB, just for the access and play the latest "thing".
If they're abandoning their original vision with flametal spires not submerging anymore, I sure wish they could step up the trend and abandon the notion that it's a good call to only give a bare minimum of new build pieces or the aversion to giving 6 degrees of freedom when it comes to building piece rotation. It's bad for to have mods do what should have been there in the first place.
what update you playing? they added literally over 40 new pieces last month? kinda weak ass complaint
Pretty please do a playthrough of Therzies Valheim Monstrum and Deep North playthrough with Razzzzzzz 😊
as a mage in a world of 4 guys ashlands was ruff ashellllllllllll
I really don't like the hammer nerf to the spawn rates. Before, I could run around my fortress, and find 50+ mobs in a 10 minute span. Now, I saw about 3-4 in that same span. It's way, way too easy now. I think the better choice would have been to integrate the spawn % into the difficulty sliders, instead of just slashing them in general. The metal spires thing is a god send though. That was such a bad mechanic, I won't miss it.
It was the skill drop death penalty that got me. I am in no way a pro gamer. just an everyday kind of gal and I loved this game. But losing points cause I died a lot while learning really was hard to swallow. One step forward 3 steps back it seemed. I just seems so un-necessary in such a hard but incredible game.
I liked ashlands as was... bummer why make it easier? I already got dyrnwyn. And now at mistland in my 2nd play through and character... looks like ill be breezing through ashlands this time.
The small percentage that complain, provably do not understand the actual progression of the game and race to the ashlands or mountains etc. without properly gearing themselves or understanding the mechanics.
I for one think it is a huge error on the developers part to change it so drastically, and instead should have added more modifications to the game in the menu.
Variety is the key and limiting it for a few will always alienate the majority.
I wish they didnt nerf the difficulty of ashlands imo. Actually enjoyed the continues hordes of annoying and dangerous enemies. It literally is hell so i expected as much. Oh well.
For me, the spire still submerged even after the update. This was in co-op. And Ashlands is far from super-easy.
Lol after i already beat it
I take Valheim as SoulsLike game, so for me it should stay hard, or be even harder... Im not a pro, I died like 1k times in my save before I have even seen ash biom, still, You can roll, then its souls like xD
I feel the nerfs are for people that rush into the game unprepared. I haven't died once and have played since its release. I have soloed forts, fought there at night, but me and friends actually spent time slowly making our way inland. Deeply saddened by these choices.
Simply not true. I have 400 hours on valheim and that shit was way too hard and overwhelming. Not trying to play a souls game
You can always increase the difficulty if its to easy for you. I feel like its better when the base game is more accessible for players
@@JLVprod The difficulty level was fine where it was at. Increasing the difficulty increases damage and health of mobs which I don't want to do. Most of the streams I watch where people are fighting in the Ashland's have them playing very aggressively, without much in the way of concern for what the enemies are doing i.e. being impatient. I noticed the OP plays like this too. Meanwhile I've levelled my sneak to 50 fighting in the Ashland's. I move around slowly and deliberately, picking off targets with my crossbow and then using my lightening polearm to knock enemies back, using my rolls, actually making use of my kit. It's not Dark souls, it's just actually using the tools we are given, which is really fun. My group literally spent a couple of evenings just preparing our entry and made a really good foothold to retreat to. Once that was set up we used the taller building to make further footholds, then eventually got close enough to a fort to deal with it and make it a safer place to retreat to. Rinse repeat. It wasn't hard, it just took time and the best foods.
@@ImaRamblingmanpeople dont want to play stealth archer. Its been known since the days of Skyrim that stealth archer makes the game trivial regardless of difficulty, so better to let other play styles dictate the pace. Additionally, this isnt a souls-like. People want the opportunity to build their ashland fortress too
@@trolololoolable I play that way. My friend plays tank, so can take hits with his shield up. My other friend plays mage and uses bubble and skeles. All were fine. All were viable. I just use that play style as I chose RP the ranger rogue, but less so now as I have the axes and mace and better armour. However, I still play with care, as do my friends and we don't rush in. It makes for a far more engaging game in my opinion.
Also I think it's worth adding that using weapons and armour properly does not make the game a soul's like. Having every weapon be equally useful in all situations makes for bland, uninteresting, neutered gameplay. Is that the game we want?
this wouldnt be another dumbing down of a video game now would it. the plague is in full effect in most of gamings landscape.
Flametal submerging has been mistake imho from the start. Or at least how soon they start going down. Good riddance i say. The infinite spawn has been brutal til i got the root staff so i cant imagine doing melee only solo initially. The difficulty spike has been a bit too brutal.