Yes, but you're not a "Syriac" Church. Your clergy and congregation don't know Syriac as it is not mandatory in your seminaries like it is for the Syriac Orthodox (Jacobite) Church.
@@antiochsuryoyo5118 Who are you to decide if ours is a Syriac Church or not? And who told you this that our Clergy are not well versed in Syriac?? Many of them are well-versed in Syriac.
The malankara Sabha is rooted from Syriac upbringing. Therefore no one has the right within malankara church to claim a suriyani song is theirs. In fact it comes from Syriac Orthodox Church. And prior to divisions in the malankara Sabha we were all under the umbrella called St Thomas Christians. No church denies that st Thomas is the apostle who brought the faith to us.. Differences exist in the way of worship..I'm a marthomite and I'm proud of the reformation and my faith and practice. But at the same time I thank God for the orthodox and Jacobite churches who still follow a more orthodox way of worship so that some things can be learnt from them I.e suriyani songs, tones of chant etc. I think it's high time that we respect the differences in practices but unite together in our faith in Christ.
I agree with you, as we all are brothers and sisters in Christ. However, flirting with denominations that are liberal in teachings (Anglicans) can pose a dangerous threat to the faith & teachings. I don't agree with the reformation doctrine, however, I stand with you in regards to unity in Christ, but at the same time, it should be exercised in spirit and in truth, not based on world politics under the guise of things like "feminism" and "equality", just keep that in mind.
Well said Ashwin! I am Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Christian! Your thoughts very inspiring! Pushing backward all the negatives and bad things happened centuries ago i wish our churches should unite as one! Amen Barekmor!
John Thomas Yes I agree we should unite as One for we are ONE in Christ, however, certain teachings cannot be accepted. In the Anglican Communion (which Marthoma is part of), they have female "priesthood" and gay & lesbian clergy, very liberal in their teachings. Christ was not of this world and neither are we, so the Church should not accept worldly (liberal) teachings such as these! Marthoma Church does not have female priesthood, but a lot of people are supporting this. We must remain Orthodox in our faith, uncompromising to worldy beliefs and ideologies. I pray Marthoma Church will reunite to the Syriac Orthodox faith.
salute you brothers of martoma church,you are a role model of all of our st.thomas christians traditions.(syroMalabar catholic,syro malankara catholic,indian orthodox syrian,Jacobite syrian,Chaldean syrian,Thozhiyur syrians& Marthomite syrians.).pls don't forget kannaya brothers from kannaya catholic & Jacobbites.bcz they the rights we are following syroMalabar(kaldayaa suriyani )& Antiochian traditionNow we call malankara tradition introduced by our kannaya brothers.
Fiul Moldovei they actually aren’t Orthodox. The only Orthodox Chruches in India is the Malankara Orthodox and the Jacobite Orthodox. The Marthoma Church is reformed and adapted Anglican Practices.
@Aaron C ....we dont require your certificate to be called as an Oriental Orthodox Church with rich Malankara Syrian Traditions... Firstly go and learn the meaning of Orthodoxy. Merry Christmas..
Merlin Benny Orthodoxy means True Faith. To be Orthodox you have to keep the Tradition of the Church. The Marthomas are reformed, meaning they fail to keep the traditions. Y’all reject MAJOR Orthodox Beliefs. I also have never heard any Marthoma claim to be Orthodox.
Merlin Benny Well the Orthodox Church is the apostolic Church meaning our bishops are successors of Christ’s apostles. St. Thomas appointed the Pakalomattom family, that archdeacon was elevated to bishop (Marthoma 1).He passed down the successorship to our Bava. There is no other successor of St. Thomas in India.
tanase gabriel Lots of Love from India for our Romanian Orthodox brothers and sisters. Infact this music has similarities with Romanian National Anthem.
It is "reformed", but not Orthodox. The councils have repeatedly made changes to administration, Qurbana and even some clergy accepted doctrines from other denominations. You cannot use the term Orthodox
This will help the new generation in Mar Thoma church about the tradition they share with Syriac churches and the beautiful hymns they have or had..Its easy to throw away our traditions, but after generations its difficult to get it back for future generations. So in that mean, I feel Mar Thoma church still tries to preserve the beauty of Old hymns, rather than abandon them and searching for new ways..
The question is not if the Marthoma Church was started in 1876 or the Malankara Orthodox Church established a Catholicate in 1912. The real question is that of the faith. We are in Malankara (India) Christians holding on to the Oriental Orthodox faith. In 1876, the faith was altered or reformed under the influence of protestant missionaries. If the Marthoma Church can shed all traits of protestant influence and return to its true Syriac Orthodox heritage, it will be a huge step.
The first English translation of the entire Morning and Evening Prayer was an English Catholic priest who moved to India and learned Malayalam and Syriac - Rev. Fr. Bede Griffiths. The Syriac and Malankara Orthodox use his translation, along with the Malankara Syrian Catholics to this day.
In personal prayer and prayer meetings,Catholics can pray in any style they want:they can shout like a Baptist,scream like a Pentecostal,raise hands like a non-denominational and hum like an Orthodox;the key is to remain in the Church in faith and truth, not deviate from the Fathers,respect saints asking their intercession,pray the Qurbono faithfully,pray for the dead in charity,read the Bible with the wisdom of Church not individualized and independently,love the Liturgy and praise the Lord.
I am approaching with Love. Is it loving to smile and nod knowing you know their religion is lacking essential teaching? St. Paul's teaching is clear, all our Churches sing or chant that command before reading his letters. Is he without Love because he was very clear between right and wrong?
We didn't change our faith and protestantize like you Marthomas. So we left the Syriac/Malankara lawsuit game - we still love both Syriac and Malankara Orthodox, as our Catholicos and Pope have repeated numerous times. We pray for full unity for our Apostolic Churches. Marthomas on the other hand retain a false version of our common Qurbono but teach evangelical doctrine - corrupting and perverting the Faith, as Mor Paulos Sleeho warned against!
1) Liturgy in Malayalam - some achens in your church now use Syriac, all Malalyali Churches now use Malayalam - 2) Independence of Malankara - Malankara, Syriac Orthodox and Malankara Catholic have independent Catholocos - pick one to unite with. 3) Learning Bible - all of our Churches have Bible Study and preaching. We have full Bible. 4) Traditions - none of our Holy Traditions are unBiblical. 5) Financial - some people are getting power and money. The true reason for separation.
Peshitta contains books of the OT: Pentateuch,Job,Joshua,Judges,ISamuel,IISamuel,Psalms,IKings,IIKings,1Chronicles,2Chronicles,Proverbs,Ecclesiastes,Song of Songs,Sirach,Isaiah,Jeremiah (with Lamentations, I EpistleofBaruch,IIEpistleofBaruch, and Epistle of Jeremiah),Ezekiel,12 minor prophets (Jonah,Nahum,etc.), Daniel(with Bel and Dragon),Ruth,Susanna,Esther,Judith,Ezra-Nehemiah,Wisdom (of Solomon), I Maccabees,IIMaccabees,IIIMaccabees,IVMaccabees,Esdras,Tobit, andJosephus' JewishWars' BookSix.
When a group of Christians were united, then separated due to differences, politics, geography, intrigue, etc. Then discuss and come to a common understanding, accepting each other as true and of the same faith, forgiving past sins to be One, Holy, Apostolic, and Catholic - that's reunion. The Orthodox and Jacobites had that for 20 years before their 2nd schism. You have some sort of union with the protestant Anglicans, and their communion. Opportunism is the nickname of the Malayali.
Good that at least the original tune is maintained and not distorted. There are so many other original things still to be adopted and made use of. Go ahead and realize the TRUTH.
You keep referring to the 15 Lent, what exactly are you Lenting for? This kramam is not available anywhere in public domain,please show me a link or a pdf.Your question above about the Malankara and Malabar Churches shows you understand the Catholic Church less than the Bible..The Catholic Church is a communion of 23 Churches,Rome is one, who's head Bishop is Pope of the Entire Communion.They are not all Roman Churches. Just like your church didn't take the Church of England prayer book.why not?
i am accepting the history,that is what i have written.in 1807 the translation was made for 4 gospels on the syriac manuscript of peshitha.it was printed in 1811,it was monitored by philipose rambam and thimmaya pilla.in 1817 benchamin bailey started the works of complete translation of bible with availabe tamil,syriac and greek bibles.this was monitored by 8 syrian malpans and kasheshas and reported to malankara methrapolitha .from 1842 to 1998 the entire malankara used only sathyavedapusthakam
The Church from the time of Christ is One. Culture and local customs varied. When the first Councils met, they didn't argue over culture, they agreed upon the Faith. The Apostles when they went to Rome, Antioch, Spain, Africa, India, etc.. they assimilated the local culture and Christianized it. Yet, all these communities were One in Faith. Reunion means going back to that Union, as it should be. Malankara Re-union, was not only uniting to Rome, but all the Eastern Catholics, including Malabar.
We love our Latin brothers and sisters, our Syro-Malabar brothers and sisters, our Ukrainian brothers and sisters, etc.. our Church is One, Holy, Catholic (complete, universal) and Apostolic. We practice our faith as our Orthodox brothers and sisters in the Syriac and Malankara Orthodox Churches, as our holy fathers taught us. We are not Latin because we were not handed the Latin faith and traditions. Can you say your church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic?
no comments ....because to convince you i have to spend my energy..the basic difference with orthodox church is regarding prayers for dead,prayers for st mary and prayers for saint..marthoma position is clear.they have not rejected the status of any of these.
NIce work.. Though the Song is originally adopted from Syriac Orthodox Church, there is nothing wrong in that practice, I believe. We, Syrian Orthodox Church, use many songs written by Sadhu Kochu Kunju Upadheshi and many others. We all belong to the same Syrian Tradition. Peace!
Grow Up Guys, We need to understand that all these were made for man and by man itself, we claim what is least important in our life, Can anyone dare to claim Christ that he belongs to Orthodox, Catholic, or Marthomite, all the reformations was made by man for his simplicity, here its just a song and treat it as it is, did anybody filled any legal petition claiming that this song belongs to them, so why are we crying over it, arguing that this belongs to so and so and all, just Grow Up with your mind and please change your mindset, as Christ is One and is One for all of us....... God Bless all...
marthoma church is in communion with Malabar independent Syrian church,(thozhiyoor church) and has good relations with the malankara jacobite church and the Syrian orthodox church .even though not materialised to communion relation ,engagements and dialogues are on that direction...there was no communion relation ship with catholics by OO,EO,Church of east or any others till 20 th century, so nothing to boast on that. marthoma church is open to all friendly relations .
thozhiyoor churchs role in malankara church history is of golden value..their bishops consecrated marthoma 10,11,12and reighned as malankara methrapolithan in a crisis period, and returned the title where time came.palakunnathu mar athanasious consecrated the sucessor for thozhiyoor church when the thozhiyoor methran departed without consecratinfg a bishop.it was palakunnathu thirumeni who advocated for the independence of thozhiyoor church in the court aganist the yuyakim mar koorloose syria.
Mr. Sabu George....ningal first adi nirthy parasparam snehikku..ennitu njangale upadeshikku...............swantham kannil kole irikumbol aduthullavante kannile karadu edukan pokaruthu.....................
Aboon Mor Philexenos Paulose (Ayankulangara) came into full communion with the Malankara Syrian Catholic Church, becoming bishop of Chayal. The remaining MISC members had no bishop and had the Marthoma Metropolitan ordain a Metropolitan for the remaining community.
this is what marthoma church follows,,no icons other than cross where ever the orientation is worship whether it is in church or homes... but other 2d icons is used for the realisation and spreadof christian teachings and messages
They need some people around here, all the born abroad youth left and are leaving to go to more protestant "bible church" since Marthoma sect taught them at early age to have Bible only - they learned that achens, incense, curtain, Qurbono, etc is not 'bible only', as they are told. Now they go where pastor wears jeans and there are nice big flat screen tvs. Same happening in Austrailia and even Mumbai. CMS plan worked wonderfully.
When the Marthoma clergy and bishop is in MISC, do they also sing the "forbidden songs" and "expunged texts"? Or do they sit quietly while others pray? Do they refuse to concelebrate unless these changes are made?
Spoon feed - you avoid the first question you put up until now. What is the purpose of your 15day Lent? What feast does it end with? Who is the Lent and Feast for?
k n daniel was one of the most respected and intellectual persons of marthoma church. the reformetion envisaged in marthoma church is return to the original. we always gave importance for the concepts of devine mystery that no human can unfold. he was on a stream to explain all phenomenons in faith .he explained eucharist as memmorialism,death as sleeping souls ,etc.which was not acceptable to majority.malpan never tried to join CMS,
Remember the Canon Cross? It was Koonan Cross. And it had to do with Portuguese oppression over our Church, we are free with our own bishops and Traditions intact, no need to keep a division based on a mistake, corrected from 500 yrs ago.
You should follow the example of Cardinal Cleemis, he is a humble servant of God and a mere man like you can learn a lot from him on how to be a good Christian.
One more thing. The Malankara throne is still with Marthoma Metropolitans ,Aramana, at Poolatheen, Thiruvalla. You are free to visit and analyze the existence
SEAIN JACOB hahaha wat u meant by throne ? do u mean by a cushion seat....so funny. throne means apostolic succession not a cushion seat like marthoma sabha's seat....if u have doubt in it go and ask any apostolic churches.....
the throne you are claiming was thrown out from Kottayam Old Seminary along with Mathews Mar Athanasios and his belongings. And the throne with you is not the Malankara throne, it's just Marthoma throne of yours'.
I have read almost all the comments, why all of you arguing about Sabha, we need Jesus, Nyayavidhi divsam karthame nammallode Ethu sabha annu ennu Chodhikilla. Sabha Kristhuvinte Thala annu, Velipadu vayikku...Karthavu SimhasanathilNithya thejasil varumbol orukkamullavarayi erikku..Njanum oru marthomite anne..Athu just oru church..All churches started one or other issues That is not a matter in front of our God and the Lord.Amen
Which version are you using? The one no one else in the world has, nor is there any proof of existence, and aligns exactly with the protestant theology? Where is this supposed original?
Who is "you guys"? Mar Ivanios was West Syrian, SyroMalabar is East Syrian. He asked the Pope to reunite (as the Malankara Synod has sent him to do) and the Pope accepted the Malankara Syriac Tradition in full and accepted Mar Ivanios and others as bishops. What exactly was the trick there?
malnkara syriac,,,in outside india marthoma churches are using the rented space of catholics, easterners,anglicans, and other episcopal churches,protestents too.. catholic clergy to offer the holy sacrament insist for re baptism and confirmation like the pentecostals, which is a herasy for marthoma church .there is only one baptism for salvation. at present we are in communion with anglicans,old catholics,and thozhiyoor church..so we use their service when marthoma kashesha are not available.
I can show you multiple instances - for example, how many saints did you delete from the Calendar once you "reformed" - how is that reverential? Was Abraham Malpans action of throwing the image in a well of St.Yeldo Mor Baselios, a proud reverential Marthoma moment? Teaching their lives, and half of their faith is good - why did you delete "May their Prayers be a stronghold to us", as that is their faith and what they taught?
men who died as christians remain to be in active state even after his or her death ,but not in this world but in the shade of His grace.they are very much active as we are and is in more active communion than us.that is why marthoma church negates the need of a substitute qurbana for the dead in earth.marthoma church teaches that there is no presence of soul in the tomb thats why we donot do the dhoopa prathana at kallara.
that is the peshitta in new version which included the deutro canonical books which was used for meditations.the vishudhagratham came to stalls only in 1998 ,till then it was the BSI sathyavedhapusthakam. nobody had any issues with that untill 1980s.i already have differnt versions of bible my brother in my shelves
As a marthomite I am proud of my malankara marthoma Syriac church
Poor people, they claim s that they r sitting in the throne of Thomas and patrose.
@@abrahamisac3455 😂😂
Yes we are @Abraham Isac....
Yes, but you're not a "Syriac" Church. Your clergy and congregation don't know Syriac as it is not mandatory in your seminaries like it is for the Syriac Orthodox (Jacobite) Church.
@@antiochsuryoyo5118 Who are you to decide if ours is a Syriac Church or not? And who told you this that our Clergy are not well versed in Syriac?? Many of them are well-versed in Syriac.
I am a Marthomite. I think because of that I really liked this song
But this song is not from the marthoma church.
The malankara Sabha is rooted from Syriac upbringing. Therefore no one has the right within malankara church to claim a suriyani song is theirs. In fact it comes from Syriac Orthodox Church. And prior to divisions in the malankara Sabha we were all under the umbrella called St Thomas Christians. No church denies that st Thomas is the apostle who brought the faith to us.. Differences exist in the way of worship..I'm a marthomite and I'm proud of the reformation and my faith and practice. But at the same time I thank God for the orthodox and Jacobite churches who still follow a more orthodox way of worship so that some things can be learnt from them I.e suriyani songs, tones of chant etc. I think it's high time that we respect the differences in practices but unite together in our faith in Christ.
I agree with you, as we all are brothers and sisters in Christ. However, flirting with denominations that are liberal in teachings (Anglicans) can pose a dangerous threat to the faith & teachings. I don't agree with the reformation doctrine, however, I stand with you in regards to unity in Christ, but at the same time, it should be exercised in spirit and in truth, not based on world politics under the guise of things like "feminism" and "equality", just keep that in mind.
Well said Ashwin! I am Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Christian!
Your thoughts very inspiring!
Pushing backward all the negatives and bad things happened centuries ago i wish our churches should unite as one!
Amen Barekmor!
John Thomas Yes I agree we should unite as One for we are ONE in Christ, however, certain teachings cannot be accepted. In the Anglican Communion (which Marthoma is part of), they have female "priesthood" and gay & lesbian clergy, very liberal in their teachings. Christ was not of this world and neither are we, so the Church should not accept worldly (liberal) teachings such as these! Marthoma Church does not have female priesthood, but a lot of people are supporting this. We must remain Orthodox in our faith, uncompromising to worldy beliefs and ideologies. I pray Marthoma Church will reunite to the Syriac Orthodox faith.
+John Thomas ya ..I am an Orthodox Christian... let's hope that churches will unite in future
Marthoma is a reformed syriac church and has no issues like orthodox and jacobite factions have between each other.
I am proud to be Marthomite God bless our Bishops
All Glory and honour belongs to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.... And Our only Father who is in heaven
truly devotional
Of course! Who else does it belong too? LOL
Shine Jacob 👍
salute you brothers of martoma church,you are a role model of all of our st.thomas christians traditions.(syroMalabar catholic,syro malankara catholic,indian orthodox syrian,Jacobite syrian,Chaldean syrian,Thozhiyur syrians& Marthomite syrians.).pls don't forget kannaya brothers from kannaya catholic & Jacobbites.bcz they the rights we are following syroMalabar(kaldayaa suriyani )& Antiochian traditionNow we call malankara tradition introduced by our kannaya brothers.
Ninaal Vazhuka Mar Thoma❤❤❤❤
God bless my Orthodox brothers and sisters from India.. Gabriel from România !
Fiul Moldovei they actually aren’t Orthodox. The only Orthodox Chruches in India is the Malankara Orthodox and the Jacobite Orthodox. The Marthoma Church is reformed and adapted Anglican Practices.
@Aaron C ....we dont require your certificate to be called as an Oriental Orthodox Church with rich Malankara Syrian Traditions...
Firstly go and learn the meaning of Orthodoxy.
Merry Christmas..
Merlin Benny Orthodoxy means True Faith. To be Orthodox you have to keep the Tradition of the Church. The Marthomas are reformed, meaning they fail to keep the traditions. Y’all reject MAJOR Orthodox Beliefs. I also have never heard any Marthoma claim to be Orthodox.
@@aaronc235 Who are you to decide if we are Orthodox or not??
Can you even give me a single Criteria of an Orthodox Church???
Merlin Benny Well the Orthodox Church is the apostolic Church meaning our bishops are successors of Christ’s apostles. St. Thomas appointed the Pakalomattom family, that archdeacon was elevated to bishop (Marthoma 1).He passed down the successorship to our Bava. There is no other successor of St. Thomas in India.
" RESPECT AND LOVE OUR BELOVED BISHOPS FOR THE LIFE THEY DEDICATED FOR THEIR PEOPLE TO WHOM THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE " HAIL JESUS.....HAIL MAR THOMA.....
Bharat is hallowed by the blood of MarThoma. Jai Jesu Jagat-Guru Who is glorified in His saints!
Oru marthomakarnyathil abimanikkunnu enntee yesuvinu thanks
God bless brothers orthodox.. from Romania
tanase gabriel Lots of Love from India for our Romanian Orthodox brothers and sisters.
Infact this music has similarities with Romanian National Anthem.
Cyril Jacob Hymn used by Marthoma church, reformed orthodox church in Kerala, India
It is "reformed", but not Orthodox. The councils have repeatedly made changes to administration, Qurbana and even some clergy accepted doctrines from other denominations. You cannot use the term Orthodox
soundcheck2k7 Marthoma church left out prayers to Mary, saints and dead during reformation...also uses traditional music than syriac hymns...
they are Protestants
Jai Marthoma! proud to be a Marthomite
This is not a marthoma song, they are trying to take from jacobites
@@soundcheck2k7 case kodukkanam pillecha🤣
@@Meghz1997 Shariyaa, njaan Gregorios Mar Stephanos consult cheyaam, ethaa vazhi...
@@soundcheck2k7 pettennu avatte😄😄
Ante jeevanan ente marthoma sabha
Please don't ever forget Jesus 's throne was a rugged cross (not golden) .
My.loveing.father❤josephe.marthoma.therumeni.by.shynl.kunnathoor
This will help the new generation in Mar Thoma church about the tradition they share with Syriac churches and the beautiful hymns they have or had..Its easy to throw away our traditions, but after generations its difficult to get it back for future generations. So in that mean, I feel Mar Thoma church still tries to preserve the beauty of Old hymns, rather than abandon them and searching for new ways..
Only Orthodoxy preserves tradition. "Reformation" and "democracy" removes tradition.
My favourite song
The question is not if the Marthoma Church was started in 1876 or the Malankara Orthodox Church established a Catholicate in 1912. The real question is that of the faith. We are in Malankara (India) Christians holding on to the Oriental Orthodox faith. In 1876, the faith was altered or reformed under the influence of protestant missionaries. If the Marthoma Church can shed all traits of protestant influence and return to its true Syriac Orthodox heritage, it will be a huge step.
Great one!!
The first English translation of the entire Morning and Evening Prayer was an English Catholic priest who moved to India and learned Malayalam and Syriac - Rev. Fr. Bede Griffiths. The Syriac and Malankara Orthodox use his translation, along with the Malankara Syrian Catholics to this day.
Beautiful welcome song........
I saw that book - it will never be used. They have a protestant evangelical faction that will split the church before acknowledging the Mother of God!
❤️Love from Maharashtra ❤️ Marathi Hindu girl ❤️
In personal prayer and prayer meetings,Catholics can pray in any style they want:they can shout like a Baptist,scream like a Pentecostal,raise hands like a non-denominational and hum like an Orthodox;the key is to remain in the Church in faith and truth, not deviate from the Fathers,respect saints asking their intercession,pray the Qurbono faithfully,pray for the dead in charity,read the Bible with the wisdom of Church not individualized and independently,love the Liturgy and praise the Lord.
Wonderful dedication of DSMC
Beautiful Song
I am approaching with Love. Is it loving to smile and nod knowing you know their religion is lacking essential teaching? St. Paul's teaching is clear, all our Churches sing or chant that command before reading his letters. Is he without Love because he was very clear between right and wrong?
സൂപ്പര്,. നന്ദി
We didn't change our faith and protestantize like you Marthomas. So we left the Syriac/Malankara lawsuit game - we still love both Syriac and Malankara Orthodox, as our Catholicos and Pope have repeated numerous times. We pray for full unity for our Apostolic Churches. Marthomas on the other hand retain a false version of our common Qurbono but teach evangelical doctrine - corrupting and perverting the Faith, as Mor Paulos Sleeho warned against!
1) Liturgy in Malayalam - some achens in your church now use Syriac, all Malalyali Churches now use Malayalam -
2) Independence of Malankara - Malankara, Syriac Orthodox and Malankara Catholic have independent Catholocos - pick one to unite with.
3) Learning Bible - all of our Churches have Bible Study and preaching. We have full Bible.
4) Traditions - none of our Holy Traditions are unBiblical.
5) Financial - some people are getting power and money. The true reason for separation.
I liked a lot prais the lord 🙏
outstanding..proud to be a marthomite
Another beautiful song of Malankara Marthoma Christians ( St. Thomas Christians ) ...
every sabha's goal is to praise lord. so so, u dont have to fight about this.peace bro
superbbb
Good song.. Proud to be marthomite
Peshitta contains books of the OT: Pentateuch,Job,Joshua,Judges,ISamuel,IISamuel,Psalms,IKings,IIKings,1Chronicles,2Chronicles,Proverbs,Ecclesiastes,Song of Songs,Sirach,Isaiah,Jeremiah (with Lamentations, I EpistleofBaruch,IIEpistleofBaruch, and Epistle of Jeremiah),Ezekiel,12 minor prophets (Jonah,Nahum,etc.), Daniel(with Bel and Dragon),Ruth,Susanna,Esther,Judith,Ezra-Nehemiah,Wisdom (of Solomon), I Maccabees,IIMaccabees,IIIMaccabees,IVMaccabees,Esdras,Tobit, andJosephus' JewishWars' BookSix.
Your canon for increasing is unique in that, again, no other Church does that, including NO other West Syriac Church Tradition. Keep pouring,
When a group of Christians were united, then separated due to differences, politics, geography, intrigue, etc. Then discuss and come to a common understanding, accepting each other as true and of the same faith, forgiving past sins to be One, Holy, Apostolic, and Catholic - that's reunion. The Orthodox and Jacobites had that for 20 years before their 2nd schism. You have some sort of union with the protestant Anglicans, and their communion. Opportunism is the nickname of the Malayali.
The throne is still at Poolatheen, please make a visit and analyze the authenticity. The same throne used to elevate Marthoma first to the 21st.
How can we prove that is the original throne? If I make a similar one out of wood, I can also claim the same thing?
@@antiochsuryoyo5118 pazhaya seminariyil ninnu valicherinjath anu aaa throne.
@@antiochsuryoyo5118 angane kalla. Rekhakalum thrones um undakkenda gathikedu Marthoma Syrian church nu illa .
@@bibinbabu5290 Enikkariyaam, Englandila throne medichathu...illedaa
@@antiochsuryoyo5118 iddeham parayunnath ennathennu iddehathinu thanne areela daivame iddehathodu shamikkename.
Good that at least the original tune is maintained and not distorted. There are so many other original things still to be adopted and made use of. Go ahead and realize the TRUTH.
thanksssss DSMC
Praise the Lord
its very nice ...
Do not worship men, only God is worthy to be praised
very good song
proud of orthodox church
You keep referring to the 15 Lent, what exactly are you Lenting for? This kramam is not available anywhere in public domain,please show me a link or a pdf.Your question above about the Malankara and Malabar Churches shows you understand the Catholic Church less than the Bible..The Catholic Church is a communion of 23 Churches,Rome is one, who's head Bishop is Pope of the Entire Communion.They are not all Roman Churches. Just like your church didn't take the Church of England prayer book.why not?
i am accepting the history,that is what i have written.in 1807 the translation was made for 4 gospels on the syriac manuscript of peshitha.it was printed in 1811,it was monitored by philipose rambam and thimmaya pilla.in 1817 benchamin bailey started the works of complete translation of bible with availabe tamil,syriac and greek bibles.this was monitored by 8 syrian malpans and kasheshas and reported to malankara methrapolitha .from 1842 to 1998 the entire malankara used only sathyavedapusthakam
SYRIAC TOUCH REALISING ONENESS OF ALL DENOMINATIONS.ALL ONE IN JESUS CHRIST.GOOD LUCK.Dr.C.K.Shaju.
The Church from the time of Christ is One. Culture and local customs varied. When the first Councils met, they didn't argue over culture, they agreed upon the Faith. The Apostles when they went to Rome, Antioch, Spain, Africa, India, etc.. they assimilated the local culture and Christianized it. Yet, all these communities were One in Faith. Reunion means going back to that Union, as it should be. Malankara Re-union, was not only uniting to Rome, but all the Eastern Catholics, including Malabar.
സ്വഗതമേ നല്ലോരിടായ...
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We love our Latin brothers and sisters, our Syro-Malabar brothers and sisters, our Ukrainian brothers and sisters, etc.. our Church is One, Holy, Catholic (complete, universal) and Apostolic. We practice our faith as our Orthodox brothers and sisters in the Syriac and Malankara Orthodox Churches, as our holy fathers taught us. We are not Latin because we were not handed the Latin faith and traditions. Can you say your church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic?
no comments ....because to convince you i have to spend my energy..the basic difference with orthodox church is regarding prayers for dead,prayers for st mary and prayers for saint..marthoma position is clear.they have not rejected the status of any of these.
And also, this Thobaslom song is not used in ordination ceremonies for Mar Thoma Church.
NIce work.. Though the Song is originally adopted from Syriac Orthodox Church, there is nothing wrong in that practice, I believe. We, Syrian Orthodox Church, use many songs written by Sadhu Kochu Kunju Upadheshi and many others. We all belong to the same Syrian Tradition. Peace!
നീണാൾ വാഴുക മാർത്തോമാ. Long live Marthoma.
super song
Great, that is his reasoning. I gave you the Catholic and Orthodox reason for Chrismating the Marthomas who come to the respective Apostolic Churches.
Grow Up Guys, We need to understand that all these were made for man and by man itself,
we claim what is least important in our life,
Can anyone dare to claim Christ that he belongs to Orthodox, Catholic, or Marthomite, all the reformations was made by man for his simplicity, here its just a song and treat it as it is, did anybody filled any legal petition claiming that this song belongs to them, so why are we crying over it, arguing that this belongs to so and so and all, just Grow Up with your mind and please change your mindset, as Christ is One and is One for all of us.......
God Bless all...
Right buddy.
marthoma church is in communion with Malabar independent Syrian church,(thozhiyoor church) and has good relations with the malankara jacobite church and the Syrian orthodox church .even though not materialised to communion relation ,engagements and dialogues are on that direction...there was no communion relation ship with catholics by OO,EO,Church of east or any others till 20 th century, so nothing to boast on that. marthoma church is open to all friendly relations .
Proud to be a marthomite
thozhiyoor churchs role in malankara church history is of golden value..their bishops consecrated marthoma 10,11,12and reighned as malankara methrapolithan in a crisis period, and returned the title where time came.palakunnathu mar athanasious consecrated the sucessor for thozhiyoor church when the thozhiyoor methran departed without consecratinfg a bishop.it was palakunnathu thirumeni who advocated for the independence of thozhiyoor church in the court aganist the yuyakim mar koorloose syria.
Mr. Sabu George....ningal first adi nirthy parasparam snehikku..ennitu njangale upadeshikku...............swantham kannil kole irikumbol aduthullavante kannile karadu edukan pokaruthu.....................
Great work DSMC
nice song
Aboon Mor Philexenos Paulose (Ayankulangara) came into full communion with the Malankara Syrian Catholic Church, becoming bishop of Chayal. The remaining MISC members had no bishop and had the Marthoma Metropolitan ordain a Metropolitan for the remaining community.
neenal vazhuka marthoma
Proud of my marthomite
@josephthomas39 I am so happy to see like minded people. Is there a way to communicate this to the bishops and priests?
great
this is what marthoma church follows,,no icons other than cross where ever the orientation is worship whether it is in church or homes... but other 2d icons is used for the realisation and spreadof christian teachings and messages
So during this ordination, all the vows which thrice state obedience were omitted?
They need some people around here, all the born abroad youth left and are leaving to go to more protestant "bible church" since Marthoma sect taught them at early age to have Bible only - they learned that achens, incense, curtain, Qurbono, etc is not 'bible only', as they are told. Now they go where pastor wears jeans and there are nice big flat screen tvs. Same happening in Austrailia and even Mumbai. CMS plan worked wonderfully.
When the Marthoma clergy and bishop is in MISC, do they also sing the "forbidden songs" and "expunged texts"? Or do they sit quietly while others pray? Do they refuse to concelebrate unless these changes are made?
Why fight about whose song it is. It is rather respected to appreciate over it
This is syrian song...
Which of the first 3 Ecumenical Councils set the Biblical Canon that you follow?
Spoon feed - you avoid the first question you put up until now. What is the purpose of your 15day Lent? What feast does it end with? Who is the Lent and Feast for?
What does reading, studying, and mediating on Maccabees say though, and what about the practice of the Jews which Christ Himself never reputiated?
@sajeshachen thanks for the comment.. dear achen lyrics is available with CD. you can buy from DSMC office. I dont have now..
k n daniel was one of the most respected and intellectual persons of marthoma church. the reformetion envisaged in marthoma church is return to the original. we always gave importance for the concepts of devine mystery that no human can unfold. he was on a stream to explain all phenomenons in faith .he explained eucharist as memmorialism,death as sleeping souls ,etc.which was not acceptable to majority.malpan never tried to join CMS,
Remember the Canon Cross? It was Koonan Cross. And it had to do with Portuguese oppression over our Church, we are free with our own bishops and Traditions intact, no need to keep a division based on a mistake, corrected from 500 yrs ago.
God created human beings and human beings created religions
You should follow the example of Cardinal Cleemis, he is a humble servant of God and a mere man like you can learn a lot from him on how to be a good Christian.
One more thing. The Malankara throne is still with Marthoma Metropolitans ,Aramana, at Poolatheen, Thiruvalla. You are free to visit and analyze the existence
SEAIN JACOB fake throne
Fake throne is the one claimed by Orthodox faction- The Marthoma Simhasanam
SEAIN JACOB hahaha wat u meant by throne ? do u mean by a cushion seat....so funny. throne means apostolic succession not a cushion seat like marthoma sabha's seat....if u have doubt in it go and ask any apostolic churches.....
+malankara sabha Well it was used from the very first Marthoma... No one said that a throne represent a 10 foot tall chair !
the throne you are claiming was thrown out from Kottayam Old Seminary along with Mathews Mar Athanasios and his belongings. And the throne with you is not the Malankara throne, it's just Marthoma throne of yours'.
I love this song
Amenkarthavy
For you mutual recognition means "accept whatever changes we made, even those which are against Apostolic Biblical tradition."
Jai Marthoma
I have read almost all the comments, why all of you arguing about Sabha, we need Jesus, Nyayavidhi divsam karthame nammallode Ethu sabha annu ennu Chodhikilla.
Sabha Kristhuvinte Thala annu, Velipadu vayikku...Karthavu SimhasanathilNithya thejasil varumbol orukkamullavarayi erikku..Njanum oru marthomite anne..Athu just oru church..All churches started one or other issues
That is not a matter in front of our God and the Lord.Amen
Which version are you using? The one no one else in the world has, nor is there any proof of existence, and aligns exactly with the protestant theology? Where is this supposed original?
Nice song, is it from traditional Syriac hymn? Anyways well sung and thanks for sharing this in youtube..
Who is "you guys"? Mar Ivanios was West Syrian, SyroMalabar is East Syrian. He asked the Pope to reunite (as the Malankara Synod has sent him to do) and the Pope accepted the Malankara Syriac Tradition in full and accepted Mar Ivanios and others as bishops. What exactly was the trick there?
what abt syromalnkara faithfulls in middleeast,australia,europe,south east asia etc etc???
EXACTLY, thank you, those are the facts.
malnkara syriac,,,in outside india marthoma churches are using the rented space of catholics, easterners,anglicans, and other episcopal churches,protestents too.. catholic clergy to offer the holy sacrament insist for re baptism and confirmation like the pentecostals, which is a herasy for marthoma church .there is only one baptism for salvation. at present we are in communion with anglicans,old catholics,and thozhiyoor church..so we use their service when marthoma kashesha are not available.
I can show you multiple instances - for example, how many saints did you delete from the Calendar once you "reformed" - how is that reverential? Was Abraham Malpans action of throwing the image in a well of St.Yeldo Mor Baselios, a proud reverential Marthoma moment? Teaching their lives, and half of their faith is good - why did you delete "May their Prayers be a stronghold to us", as that is their faith and what they taught?
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men who died as christians remain to be in active state even after his or her death ,but not in this world but in the shade of His grace.they are very much active as we are and is in more active communion than us.that is why marthoma church negates the need of a substitute qurbana for the dead in earth.marthoma church teaches that there is no presence of soul in the tomb thats why we donot do the dhoopa prathana at kallara.
that is the peshitta in new version which included the deutro canonical books which was used for meditations.the vishudhagratham came to stalls only in 1998 ,till then it was the BSI sathyavedhapusthakam. nobody had any issues with that untill 1980s.i already have differnt versions of bible my brother in my shelves