Take correction: No, it doesn't. Because it is unnatural for a man to shave. You can't twist and turn everything however you want and think it's the same.
@@orthobro4806no of course not we should just grow our hair and beards until they start sweeping the dirt on the ground and while we’re at it maybe grow our fingernails until they wrap around our arms! Maintaining yourself is not vanity and growing hair to pursue a more natural path is also not vanity though both can be! As the gentleman in the video pointed out. The basic argument is don’t be concerned with your looks that’s it.
@@Amygdala233 First of all, what you say doesn't become more true if you take what I said to absurdity and add things I didn't say. It's just dishonest.
@@Amygdala233 Secondly, as Christians we are called to give alms. One can give alms and be completely vain about it. Does the Church now teach that it doesn't matter whether you give alms or not? The main thing is not to be vain? No it doesn't and that's why your argument is fallacious.
To hold a smile where it does not belong will end with it stuck on your face. These are men of faith, yes, but they are still slaves to society. It’s a terrible thing.
It is because of the Jewish roots of the apostolic church. Here are the Bible instructions for priests regarding hair: Leviticus 21,5 Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies. Leviticus 19,27 Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. Ezekiel 44, 20 (a verse only for” the Levitical priests. the descendents of Zadok”, not for “the other levites”) They must not shave their heads or let their hair grow long, but they are to keep the hair of their heads trimmed. Any here are other verses about different customs regarding hair (for all people, not just priests): Numbers 6,5 During the entire period of their Nazirite vow, no razor may be used on their head. They must be holy until the period of their dedication to the LORD is over; they must let their hair grow long. Acts 18,18 Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sisters and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken. 2 Samuel 15,26 (about Absalom) Whenever he cut the hair of his head-he used to cut his hair once a year because it became too heavy for him-he would weigh it, and its weight was two hundred shekels by the royal standard.
@@PaliciCristinaYou are only half correct, all of those lines have to do with the fact that the priests being firstborn sons the families had to take the nazarite vow. Now that is a totally legit stance that Rabbi and many individuals take today, but Catholic and Orthodox priests do not take a nazarite vow, and obviously the Protestants don't because they don't believe in any tradition. So there is no biblical requirement for priests to have a beard or long hair, if there was the Roman Catholic Church would have already ruled it necessary for priests and clergy.
In primitive churches of the Anglo isles and Northern Europe many christian men cut their beards short or were completely shaven. This was in rejection of the pride that many of the barbarism races in which men had great pride in their beards and hair. We see that come to fruition in the Viking age where men could spend hours each day helping each other dye their hair and braid their beards. Men with short beards were made fun of. It’s beautiful how the small t traditions of our faith can differ but fundamentally come from the same principles.
Amen! Honestly, as an Anglican I don’t think it’s a bad thing to shave but if you don’t want to shave and grow out all your hair that’s ok too. Long hair and beards are nice but they do take more to brush and wash.
why do english people speak of barbers (barbarians)? If all orthodox men decided to grow all their facial hair without triming the edges or manicuring it they would not have the appealing look the west likes today. Many men would have scragly knarled face hair with crazy hairlines and bald spots. If the west saw the mangy, bald spots many men have in their beards they would think we are crazy since we didnt care about our outward appearance. Then we would truly Christian. I knew a scizo dude that was more Orthodox than all of us.
@@keagaming9837I only shave and cut my hair every 2-3 months and it works great. It doesn't get so long or crazy that it takes extra time to wash and clean and then I'm also not wasting minutes shaving every day. I think it saves way more time to only shave occasionally. Its not like it takes special shampoo or super extra scrubbing techniques to deal with a shortish beard.
Well stated, Christ doesn’t care what you look like, who your ancestors were, what school you went to. He cares only that you follow the lords will, believe in his son and trust the word. Think I got it all. 🙏
@@ouebIt's fine to be somewhat vain. Everyone is to some degree. You have to live in your body all day every day for your entire life. I don't think it's intently effeminate to take some care in your appearance. I didn't think anyone would say it's feminine to shower, wash your rear, and pop your zits.
@@somethingelse4424 if men werent biki waxing, then you may have a point. i find putting shaving on the same level as washing the dirt and sweat off is interesting, is that your perspective of men? they need to wash the hair of their face to be acceptable? to be vain is not a positive trait.
@@oueb I don't go clean shaven, I just trim it down to maybe 2-3mm or something. That feels clean and comfortable, and I think it looks best on my face without risking ingrown hairs and looking like an actual baby. Whatever level of maintenance makes you feel comfortable in your own skin is what is right for you. I guess my point is that even the manliest men still take steps to affect how their body feels and is presented to the outside world, and I don't see it as a feminine practice. It is a human practice. Clean shaven looks a bit goofy to me, but I don't associate it with femininity. The male bikini waxing makes me slightly uncomfortable, but I think I would apply the same principles I described with facial hair.
Latin Rite, Latin Customs. The Romans shaved their beards and I’m glad our clergy followed suit. Imagine a Catholic Chaplain in a combat zone rocking a beard while his entire battalion was clean shaven. That would be absurd.
@@Ryan_Christopher padre pio, monks and other clergy have beards, and considering the Novus Ordo takes elements from the Byzantine rite, Roman customs don’t matter.
I just home normal and humble our priests are. Obviously I’m a bit biased but orthodox priests just truly feel easier to be around and have real conversation with. I meet the Archbishop at orthodox camp as a boy and he had intimate and real faith based dialogue with and answered questions I think other religions wouldn’t let a young boy ask of a high ranking church figure
Yes. Peaceful and calm, no fighting, no threatening, not hurting people. At some moment in life we will die and it is nonsensical to instigate and make people suffer. Kindness and being merciful.
The beard Tradition is a cultural tradition. Beards mean different things in different cultures. And the church is not centred around one culture, the church is for the whole world. Not every tradition is a holy tradition.
I agree. I dated a Native American for a few yrs. He said native American men CAN'T grow beards. At best, he & a cpl other natives he knew, could grow a cpl/few very sparse, random whiskers. So, it can't be a disqualifier.
A long beard takes a long while to grow. Young men and boys might not have an impressive beard. A long beard symbolises a long life and thus a wise, mature and experienced man
First Century Christian Art in the Roman Catacombs portrays a clean-shaven Jesus. Many young Roman Christian martyrs were likewise not rocking a beard when they were fed to the lions or their bodies set ablaze as human torches at night during the Persecutions. If shaving was good enough for the early martyrs of the Faith then it’s good enough for me.
It says in the Bible it’s a disgrace for men to have long hair(not beard). A woman’s long hair is her given covering of her head, I believe this is Corinthians 1 or 2
Kindly sir, I'm asking for your interpretation. I know the passage you speak of but I fear you may be misunderstanding it. If anything, please take this comment to encourage you in searching for the truth. I'm not here to judge, I only worry. God bles you.
The avoidance of vanity is sort of why I consider no trimming or clean shaven to both be valid traditions. It’s that middle ground where style and more importantly vanity can potentially start to creep in. The trends change over the centuries and there’ve been many long periods where certain looks were preferred in contemporary culture. Keep things simple but classy and you’ll do alright.
1 Corinthians 11:14 "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him" Thus, “every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head” (1 Cor. 11:4)
It seems like if it started as a sign of humility that it originally ironically became the opposite. It is now something that makes them feel better about themselves.
My understanding is long hair and beards were a hindrance in warrior cultures when men did a lot of hand to hand combat. Short hair and beards couldn't be grabbed, giving the attackers a better chance to clonk you over the head with an axe. Long hair and beards in men are akin to the long fingernails Chinese elites and scholars grew - it shows you don't do manual labor as the very long beards and hair could get caught in machinery or get full of muck and other disgusting stuff.
@@DANtheMANofSIPA Honestly mate it's been like 3 years since I read that article from when I was going to get into the army after being in the Navy and getting that bachelors degree and I was trying to get the no shave chit for religious purposes and that was the main point in the article of why jewish rabbis started growing beards out to not be confused with roman soldiers. I'm guessing overall for possible gentile converts to judaism.
My ancestors wrote letters. I have copies starting in the late 1820's. One brother told the other, "shave every day. Pay attention to personal grooming." So in the USA, in South Carolina at least, shaving has been around for at least 200 hundred years.
I can naturally relate to this, I hate having to care what my hair looks like. I like it better when I can just brush my hair and not be conserned with how my hair looks and then mess with it throughout the day. It's a sentiment that I was not taught as a kid, If my mom didn't give me haircuts, my hair would've been extremely long. I've always kept that sentiment, I'm trying to grow it out long to see if I would like it, but I"m not liking it so far and learning that I like my hair medium length. I feel like it's a fantastic sentiment to have little to no concern over your looks (brushing our hair is needed though), it eliminates insecurities that we shouldn't have.
A contemporary saint in Greece said that Orthodox priests have long beards as Aaron the first priest had a beard. And he justified it from the 132:2 psalm: "It is like the oil of myrrh upon the head, that runneth down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard, that runneth down to the fringe of his garment".
Hair removal is practical for reduced bacterial cross contamination-sector dependent. Once doctors realized their beards were spreading infections, shaving became normal in medical field. As my mom always says, there is a right time and place for everything. God is the master designer of all. Glory to GOD.
I always assumed it was just losing your vanity. Like you don’t have to grow everything out but if you generally aren’t worried about shallow stuff like clean looks anymore.
Its written in the scripture in the old testament that you should not cut your beard..im Greek so i cannot fully translate the part in English,but you can look it up
There's a fine line between being vain and making ourselves "ideally" presentable so as to exemplify His grace and love for us unto others... take working out for instance.
I’m an orthodox assyrian, we have beards also to show our strength as men, warriors. Orthodoxy was founded on warrior empire like men, Greeks, Assyrians, Armenians, Coptic Egyptians, Ethiopians!
Great questions! Beards, icons, what else? Candles, incense, scarves for women, different calendars. Really meaningful , ah? Straining out a gnat but swallowing a camel.
Interesting. My protestant friend was told by the bishop to shave his beard upon being ordained. My friend pointed at the picture of Jesus with a beard. The bishop said, "When you can walk on water, you can wear a beard."
It is not true that "all" the icons of men have beards. Most do, but a number of them don't: St. Stephen the Martyr, St. Philip the Apostle, St. Thomas the Apostle, St. Procopius the Great Martyr, St. Panteleimon to name a few.
@@orthobro4806 It's not about rule vs no rule, never said either way (and there is no rule). It's about whether it's true or not that all men have beards in the Church's iconography, which is what he said. I simply clarified that that's not the case. So relax, bro, it's all good. Your comment makes you sound insecure.
Saint George also and Saint demetrius but the reason is because they were very young. Why are you not taking example of Christ himself? Saint Stephen dressed differently why are you dressing with modern clothes ?
@@user-yy1tt7du8k example of Christ I do take and I am trying to obey his commandments, amongst them no beard was ever mentioned. As far as my clothes, even though they are modern they are decent.
@@milosrajkovic4272 yes but see you picked and chose about the hair the saint but why not the Mord himself? That's was my point. Offcaurse I know that it's not a law to have long hair or beard it's even ok if you wear stupid retarded clothes saggy clothes and shirts looking like a homeless guy. But we have to look in the tradition why the ancient dressed like they did. Aesthetics had back in the day value not like nowadays. Nowadays it's all about what I personally like like wtf is that shit
The first signs of true care for hair and clothes looked was when warriors began to carry combs around that was a sign of what we call the beauty the warrior
My buddy just got back from a trip from Mt Athos, and one of his buddies he went with had long hair, and one of the monks told him (I think the context was very light hearted and somewhat jokingly) that the male laity has no need for long hair, and so they sat him down and shaved his head. Lol
It is answered in the video that there is no instruction to cut or grow beard...but not worry about their looks.../leaving it. Guess what when you leave it,it grows.
I find this topic fascinating. First of all, I believe this to be a secondary concern and should not be the cause of anyone to lose faith in the primary message of the bible best summarised in John 3:16. Here are pieces of scripture that comment on long hair and beards, I would love to hear if anyone else has more to share for or against as I want to grow in knowledge with all my brothers and sisters 🙏 Leviticus 19:27 You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard. 1 Corinthians 11:14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, Ezekiel 44:20 They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads. Leviticus 21:5 They shall not make bald patches on their heads, nor shave off the edges of their beards, nor make any cuts on their body.
Genuine question. If it doesn’t matter about what you look like, what do you want to look a certain way i.e. wearing robes and certain types of hats. Personally, I’m a 50 year old heavy-metal kid and when I look at orthodoxy, I think it looks super rad. The fact that you have like a uniform, and with embroidery and stuff. It reminds me of like heavy-metal Jean jacket with patches on it, so this question is coming from a good place. And for me, long hair is almost like part of a certain look that I think looks cool. So should I cut my hair? Haha
If you follow the original form of Christianity that says no alcohol, no adultery, no interest then there is no difference between you and a Muslim that follows their religion correctly or no Hebrew that follows their religion correctly
Does the Bible also tell you not to brush it so it looks like a bird lives in it? I’m not saying to make it glamorous or anything but it’s hard for me to take it seriously if the man telling me to take it seriously looks like he eats saliva out of a boot.
The Romans and Egyptians weren’t into facial hair and that style affected standards for men to not stand out, especially during persecutions. A big beard is pretty handy to grab onto in a close fight too.
When beyond duality, there is no body /mind. Meditate until your heart stops. Sit still until body attributes dissolve. Only then , the I am melts away . Long beards? Nails? To measure “ time” when duality reestablishes itself.
Not all greek icons show beards Justinian certainly didn't have one, he was clean shaven. But anyway not all saints have beards. In Judaism a beard was pretty normal to have but in Roman history they removed body hair as did the ancient greeks but cultures are cultures it shows you what was difference from the east and west in many ways as the centuries past.
There is no condemnation in Christ, but the Bible is pretty clear that men should not cover themselves in hair. See Absalom and Samson as examples of how hair caused calamity, but the idea is that men are called to live in Christ's light fully exposed.
Bless him but he really answered the question in the most christian way possible " Other's did it so I do. " The correct answer is "Muhammed said so! " 🙂
It was always fashionable for men of high standing to have beards, this Changed after Alexander the Great was rocking the clean shaven look, which became the norm in Greece, then when Greeks travelled to Italy in the 300bc, they brought that clean shaven style to the Roman’s
Man is ROCKIN that beard. I’m jealous! I hope I can grow an epic wizard beard like that someday and me and Jesus can compare grooming notes lol although His will be literally perfect😂
1 Corinthians 11:14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, Ezekiel 44:20 They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads.
Also, Jesus had a beard, and we don't shave to imitate Him. Also, in orthodoxy we put a lot of emphasis on not disturbing our human nature, as intended by God, at all, or as little as possible. So, if God put it in our nature to have beards, we shouldn't alter it.
"If you look at everyone that came before and really focus on their looks, you'll see they had a beard, so we should also have beards." 10 seconds later "We shouldn't care about how we look"
But we know men did shave their beards before the modern age as well. Just look at sculptures of Roman generals and emperors. Most of them were cleanly shaved.
Key takeaways:
Pray without ceasing.
Care for the poor.
Feed the hungry.
Love all in Christ.
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@@godislove8740 Sorry! I forgot it! Next time?
@@Eirik_Jarl Dont Raincheck....it's trouble..
@@godislove8740 Good point. I'll go get it now...
@Horace__63 But those are the most important tho...
Take note: men and priests not being concerned with their looks also applies to folks judging clean shaven clergy.
Take correction: No, it doesn't. Because it is unnatural for a man to shave. You can't twist and turn everything however you want and think it's the same.
@@orthobro4806no of course not we should just grow our hair and beards until they start sweeping the dirt on the ground and while we’re at it maybe grow our fingernails until they wrap around our arms! Maintaining yourself is not vanity and growing hair to pursue a more natural path is also not vanity though both can be! As the gentleman in the video pointed out. The basic argument is don’t be concerned with your looks that’s it.
@@Amygdala233 First of all, what you say doesn't become more true if you take what I said to absurdity and add things I didn't say. It's just dishonest.
@@orthobro4806 I can smell your arrogance through my phone.
@@Amygdala233 Secondly, as Christians we are called to give alms. One can give alms and be completely vain about it. Does the Church now teach that it doesn't matter whether you give alms or not? The main thing is not to be vain? No it doesn't and that's why your argument is fallacious.
This man’s face has been carved from a lifetime of smiling. Beautiful
To hold a smile where it does not belong will end with it stuck on your face. These are men of faith, yes, but they are still slaves to society. It’s a terrible thing.
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He’s my priest, I am blessed to have him.❤
It’s cause beards are cool.
It is because of the Jewish roots of the apostolic church.
Here are the Bible instructions for priests regarding hair:
Leviticus 21,5 Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies.
Leviticus 19,27 Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.
Ezekiel 44, 20 (a verse only for” the Levitical priests. the descendents of Zadok”, not for “the other levites”) They must not shave their heads or let their hair grow long, but they are to keep the hair of their heads trimmed.
Any here are other verses about different customs regarding hair (for all people, not just priests):
Numbers 6,5 During the entire period of their Nazirite vow, no razor may be used on their head. They must be holy until the period of their dedication to the LORD is over; they must let their hair grow long.
Acts 18,18 Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sisters and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken.
2 Samuel 15,26 (about Absalom) Whenever he cut the hair of his head-he used to cut his hair once a year because it became too heavy for him-he would weigh it, and its weight was two hundred shekels by the royal standard.
@@PaliciCristinaYou are only half correct, all of those lines have to do with the fact that the priests being firstborn sons the families had to take the nazarite vow. Now that is a totally legit stance that Rabbi and many individuals take today, but Catholic and Orthodox priests do not take a nazarite vow, and obviously the Protestants don't because they don't believe in any tradition. So there is no biblical requirement for priests to have a beard or long hair, if there was the Roman Catholic Church would have already ruled it necessary for priests and clergy.
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His does not look good tho....😑 Keep yourself maintained.
You're crazy. That's an amazing beard. @@timothyquinton2292
This guy’s face looks young, but his beard looks old.
I think it's because his smile reaches his eyes.
They say, men keep their wisdom in their beard.
In primitive churches of the Anglo isles and Northern Europe many christian men cut their beards short or were completely shaven. This was in rejection of the pride that many of the barbarism races in which men had great pride in their beards and hair. We see that come to fruition in the Viking age where men could spend hours each day helping each other dye their hair and braid their beards. Men with short beards were made fun of. It’s beautiful how the small t traditions of our faith can differ but fundamentally come from the same principles.
Amen! Honestly, as an Anglican I don’t think it’s a bad thing to shave but if you don’t want to shave and grow out all your hair that’s ok too. Long hair and beards are nice but they do take more to brush and wash.
Thats very interesting, thank you for sharing.
why do english people speak of barbers (barbarians)? If all orthodox men decided to grow all their facial hair without triming the edges or manicuring it they would not have the appealing look the west likes today. Many men would have scragly knarled face hair with crazy hairlines and bald spots. If the west saw the mangy, bald spots many men have in their beards they would think we are crazy since we didnt care about our outward appearance. Then we would truly Christian. I knew a scizo dude that was more Orthodox than all of us.
Man and priest especiallyy without a beard looks like an anus...
-God has a beard?
@@keagaming9837I only shave and cut my hair every 2-3 months and it works great.
It doesn't get so long or crazy that it takes extra time to wash and clean and then I'm also not wasting minutes shaving every day.
I think it saves way more time to only shave occasionally. Its not like it takes special shampoo or super extra scrubbing techniques to deal with a shortish beard.
Well stated, Christ doesn’t care what you look like, who your ancestors were, what school you went to. He cares only that you follow the lords will, believe in his son and trust the word. Think I got it all. 🙏
Ironic. Nowadays men are very vain about their beards lol.
Immature men with little sense of self perhaps
I think its vain of men to shave, it is enfemining of man.
@@ouebIt's fine to be somewhat vain. Everyone is to some degree. You have to live in your body all day every day for your entire life. I don't think it's intently effeminate to take some care in your appearance. I didn't think anyone would say it's feminine to shower, wash your rear, and pop your zits.
@@somethingelse4424 if men werent biki waxing, then you may have a point. i find putting shaving on the same level as washing the dirt and sweat off is interesting, is that your perspective of men? they need to wash the hair of their face to be acceptable?
to be vain is not a positive trait.
@@oueb I don't go clean shaven, I just trim it down to maybe 2-3mm or something. That feels clean and comfortable, and I think it looks best on my face without risking ingrown hairs and looking like an actual baby. Whatever level of maintenance makes you feel comfortable in your own skin is what is right for you. I guess my point is that even the manliest men still take steps to affect how their body feels and is presented to the outside world, and I don't see it as a feminine practice. It is a human practice. Clean shaven looks a bit goofy to me, but I don't associate it with femininity. The male bikini waxing makes me slightly uncomfortable, but I think I would apply the same principles I described with facial hair.
As a Catholic, I wish our priests and bishops rocked more beards.
Yep! Me too!
Our monks and Eastern clergy ones do
@@micoolkidfilms3270 yeah, but that doesn't count somehow lol
Latin Rite, Latin Customs. The Romans shaved their beards and I’m glad our clergy followed suit.
Imagine a Catholic Chaplain in a combat zone rocking a beard while his entire battalion was clean shaven. That would be absurd.
@@Ryan_Christopher padre pio, monks and other clergy have beards, and considering the Novus Ordo takes elements from the Byzantine rite, Roman customs don’t matter.
I just home normal and humble our priests are. Obviously I’m a bit biased but orthodox priests just truly feel easier to be around and have real conversation with. I meet the Archbishop at orthodox camp as a boy and he had intimate and real faith based dialogue with and answered questions I think other religions wouldn’t let a young boy ask of a high ranking church figure
Yes. Peaceful and calm, no fighting, no threatening, not hurting people. At some moment in life we will die and it is nonsensical to instigate and make people suffer. Kindness and being merciful.
Amazing answer! God bless this priest
The beard Tradition is a cultural tradition. Beards mean different things in different cultures. And the church is not centred around one culture, the church is for the whole world.
Not every tradition is a holy tradition.
I agree. I dated a Native American for a few yrs. He said native American men CAN'T grow beards. At best, he & a cpl other natives he knew, could grow a cpl/few very sparse, random whiskers. So, it can't be a disqualifier.
Also, monks are required to grow their hair and beards for life once they've been tonsured.
Yeah it’s called being a Muslim
@@traviswilson36 sorry what?
@@ryanmaxwell5794Orthobro can’t read lol
False. It isn't a rule.
@@Aakhvfor monks it is.
He's so cool and his way of speaking ❤❤❤❤❤
A long beard takes a long while to grow. Young men and boys might not have an impressive beard. A long beard symbolises a long life and thus a wise, mature and experienced man
Men started shaving roughly 800-500bc in Greece and then Egypt for the wealthy, although in Egypt the beard was removed with tweezers 😢
ouch!
First Century Christian Art in the Roman Catacombs portrays a clean-shaven Jesus. Many young Roman Christian martyrs were likewise not rocking a beard when they were fed to the lions or their bodies set ablaze as human torches at night during the Persecutions.
If shaving was good enough for the early martyrs of the Faith then it’s good enough for me.
Whatever you got to tell yourself for your beard envy.
It says in the Bible it’s a disgrace for men to have long hair(not beard). A woman’s long hair is her given covering of her head, I believe this is Corinthians 1 or 2
Kindly sir, I'm asking for your interpretation. I know the passage you speak of but I fear you may be misunderstanding it. If anything, please take this comment to encourage you in searching for the truth. I'm not here to judge, I only worry. God bles you.
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@@Lynz713Exactly 😂
The avoidance of vanity is sort of why I consider no trimming or clean shaven to both be valid traditions. It’s that middle ground where style and more importantly vanity can potentially start to creep in. The trends change over the centuries and there’ve been many long periods where certain looks were preferred in contemporary culture. Keep things simple but classy and you’ll do alright.
1 Corinthians 11:14
"Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him"
Thus, “every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head” (1 Cor. 11:4)
needs more context
It seems like if it started as a sign of humility that it originally ironically became the opposite. It is now something that makes them feel better about themselves.
Bless you father 🙏
My understanding is long hair and beards were a hindrance in warrior cultures when men did a lot of hand to hand combat. Short hair and beards couldn't be grabbed, giving the attackers a better chance to clonk you over the head with an axe. Long hair and beards in men are akin to the long fingernails Chinese elites and scholars grew - it shows you don't do manual labor as the very long beards and hair could get caught in machinery or get full of muck and other disgusting stuff.
I like this man he look so humble and innocent reminds me of and resembles Mar Mari. May our Lord Jesus christ bless you.
I just shaved my beard yesterday and I’m already regretting it. Biggest mistake I’ve made recently lol
good for you smh
It grows back
Priests also started growing their beards because they did not want to be confused as Roman soldiers
Why would priests be confused for soldiers?
@@DANtheMANofSIPA Honestly mate it's been like 3 years since I read that article from when I was going to get into the army after being in the Navy and getting that bachelors degree and I was trying to get the no shave chit for religious purposes and that was the main point in the article of why jewish rabbis started growing beards out to not be confused with roman soldiers. I'm guessing overall for possible gentile converts to judaism.
@@thedarkshepherd I wish I had gotten a no shave chit. Every morning was a bloodbath.
His response pretty much was "Well, everybody else is doing it. Everyone else has long beards" 😂
My ancestors wrote letters. I have copies starting in the late 1820's. One brother told the other, "shave every day. Pay attention to personal grooming." So in the USA, in South Carolina at least, shaving has been around for at least 200 hundred years.
I look at this man in the orthodox church, and he seems very happy. I can tell he has the Holy Spirit in his life.
I can naturally relate to this, I hate having to care what my hair looks like. I like it better when I can just brush my hair and not be conserned with how my hair looks and then mess with it throughout the day. It's a sentiment that I was not taught as a kid, If my mom didn't give me haircuts, my hair would've been extremely long. I've always kept that sentiment, I'm trying to grow it out long to see if I would like it, but I"m not liking it so far and learning that I like my hair medium length.
I feel like it's a fantastic sentiment to have little to no concern over your looks (brushing our hair is needed though), it eliminates insecurities that we shouldn't have.
A contemporary saint in Greece said that Orthodox priests have long beards as Aaron the first priest had a beard. And he justified it from the 132:2 psalm:
"It is like the oil of myrrh upon the head, that runneth down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard, that runneth down to the fringe of his garment".
Hair removal is practical for reduced bacterial cross contamination-sector dependent. Once doctors realized their beards were spreading infections, shaving became normal in medical field. As my mom always says, there is a right time and place for everything. God is the master designer of all. Glory to GOD.
I never knew this! This definitely explains a lot!
I don’t think it’s a bad thing to shave, but yeah ok makes sense for Orthodox.
I don't think reasonably caring about the way you look is a bad thing.
Shaggy unkempt untrimmed beards look dirty and disgusting on any man, priest or not. At least keep a beard neat and trimmed evenly .
I always assumed it was just losing your vanity. Like you don’t have to grow everything out but if you generally aren’t worried about shallow stuff like clean looks anymore.
Lord I pray he would believe in you, amen ❤ 🙏🏻
WWI introduced chemical warefare, and gas masks didn't work unless you were clean shaven.
Until then facial hair was fashionable.
Not all Saints have beards on their Icons. St. Stephen for example.
St Stephen was prepubescent boy
Its "normal" for priests to cut their beards and hair and wear blue.
But hey borrowed black clothing and not cutting hair and beards from monks.
Thats not good explained.
We orthodox Christians wear beards because the early churchfathers tought us that shaving is shameful
The same church fathers that willingly baptized Gentile converts who themselves were clean-shaven since youth? Romans and Greeks in particular?
Its written in the scripture in the old testament that you should not cut your beard..im Greek so i cannot fully translate the part in English,but you can look it up
Leviticus 19: 27
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
There's a fine line between being vain and making ourselves "ideally" presentable so as to exemplify His grace and love for us unto others... take working out for instance.
As a Muslim.. I can say we were ordered to grow our beards and cut our mustaches.. Clear text... This guy is just following pictures?
I’m an orthodox assyrian, we have beards also to show our strength as men, warriors. Orthodoxy was founded on warrior empire like men, Greeks, Assyrians, Armenians, Coptic Egyptians, Ethiopians!
Great questions! Beards, icons, what else? Candles, incense, scarves for women, different calendars. Really meaningful , ah? Straining out a gnat but swallowing a camel.
Going for that St. John the Baptist look.
Him realizing his beard is vanity and takes a lot of maintenance in the moment 😂😂
Went to a orthodox monastery is Cyprus up on the mountain it was probably the most beautiful place I've seen
Interesting. My protestant friend was told by the bishop to shave his beard upon being ordained. My friend pointed at the picture of Jesus with a beard. The bishop said, "When you can walk on water, you can wear a beard."
It is not true that "all" the icons of men have beards. Most do, but a number of them don't: St. Stephen the Martyr, St. Philip the Apostle, St. Thomas the Apostle, St. Procopius the Great Martyr, St. Panteleimon to name a few.
Exeptions prove the rule.
@@orthobro4806 It's not about rule vs no rule, never said either way (and there is no rule). It's about whether it's true or not that all men have beards in the Church's iconography, which is what he said. I simply clarified that that's not the case. So relax, bro, it's all good. Your comment makes you sound insecure.
@@nickmuzekari6124 it is true and exeptions prove the rule.
closer they get to islamic belief the stronger they feel in faith, Alhamdullilah
Alexander the Great was the first to popularize shaving the beard. He said he wanted to show off his god-like jawline
True story!
By doing the inverse of what other people do just means you care about your looks in a different than them, not less than them.
Saint Stephen The First Martyr, my family saint, didn’t had a beard.
Saint George also and Saint demetrius but the reason is because they were very young. Why are you not taking example of Christ himself? Saint Stephen dressed differently why are you dressing with modern clothes ?
@@user-yy1tt7du8k example of Christ I do take and I am trying to obey his commandments, amongst them no beard was ever mentioned. As far as my clothes, even though they are modern they are decent.
@@milosrajkovic4272 yes but see you picked and chose about the hair the saint but why not the Mord himself? That's was my point. Offcaurse I know that it's not a law to have long hair or beard it's even ok if you wear stupid retarded clothes saggy clothes and shirts looking like a homeless guy. But we have to look in the tradition why the ancient dressed like they did. Aesthetics had back in the day value not like nowadays. Nowadays it's all about what I personally like like wtf is that shit
@@milosrajkovic4272I shave as a discipline. I would prefer to have a beard.
@@fragwagon same here doesn’t make a difference for civilian, for the priest its a different story.
The first signs of true care for hair and clothes looked was when warriors began to carry combs around that was a sign of what we call the beauty the warrior
My buddy just got back from a trip from Mt Athos, and one of his buddies he went with had long hair, and one of the monks told him (I think the context was very light hearted and somewhat jokingly) that the male laity has no need for long hair, and so they sat him down and shaved his head. Lol
Jesus said, “Take your cross and follow me,” NOT, “Grow your beard and simulate me.”
It is answered in the video that there is no instruction to cut or grow beard...but not worry about their looks.../leaving it.
Guess what when you leave it,it grows.
😂. No he didn’t say that
I find this topic fascinating.
First of all, I believe this to be a secondary concern and should not be the cause of anyone to lose faith in the primary message of the bible best summarised in John 3:16.
Here are pieces of scripture that comment on long hair and beards, I would love to hear if anyone else has more to share for or against as I want to grow in knowledge with all my brothers and sisters 🙏
Leviticus 19:27
You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
1 Corinthians 11:14
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,
Ezekiel 44:20
They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads.
Leviticus 21:5
They shall not make bald patches on their heads, nor shave off the edges of their beards, nor make any cuts on their body.
in islam, we also has religion tradition to let a man's beard to grow.
Genuine question. If it doesn’t matter about what you look like, what do you want to look a certain way i.e. wearing robes and certain types of hats. Personally, I’m a 50 year old heavy-metal kid and when I look at orthodoxy, I think it looks super rad. The fact that you have like a uniform, and with embroidery and stuff. It reminds me of like heavy-metal Jean jacket with patches on it, so this question is coming from a good place. And for me, long hair is almost like part of a certain look that I think looks cool. So should I cut my hair? Haha
If you follow the original form of Christianity that says no alcohol, no adultery, no interest then there is no difference between you and a Muslim that follows their religion correctly or no Hebrew that follows their religion correctly
No, they don't believe in the same God
Then it doesn't make sense to grow a beard, if that's not important. True faith matters, not long beard
A beard is the natural state of a man's face. Just as long hair is the natural state and a person's head.
Where did Peter say that?
1 Peter 3:3
Shaving is not about looks, it's about hygiene with the least amount of effort.
Does the Bible also tell you not to brush it so it looks like a bird lives in it? I’m not saying to make it glamorous or anything but it’s hard for me to take it seriously if the man telling me to take it seriously looks like he eats saliva out of a boot.
I was thinking about this in the short above while stroking my beard😂 PRAISE the Lord for His sense of humor. It's perfect 😂😂😂😂
As soon as I opened the video I thought this man was wearing a trucker cap with the bill up and now I cant unsee it 😂
The Romans and Egyptians weren’t into facial hair and that style affected standards for men to not stand out, especially during persecutions. A big beard is pretty handy to grab onto in a close fight too.
When beyond duality, there is no body /mind. Meditate until your heart stops. Sit still until body attributes dissolve. Only then , the I am melts away . Long beards? Nails? To measure “ time” when duality reestablishes itself.
"Meditate until your heart stops." Seems like you are giving advice you haven't put into practice. Also Christians don't hate the material world.
It's hygiene for some people, not just looks.
Not all greek icons show beards Justinian certainly didn't have one, he was clean shaven. But anyway not all saints have beards. In Judaism a beard was pretty normal to have but in Roman history they removed body hair as did the ancient greeks but cultures are cultures it shows you what was difference from the east and west in many ways as the centuries past.
Orthodox we respect Natural look Rembert kind David Remember Moses or Noah... Let them grow and accept the way you are.
I love Jay. I feel he’s going to be buried in that denim outfit waaaaay later in many decades from now.
I always thought that thier hair is supposed to remain inkempt so that women didnt find them attractive.
I wish, more people could understand what he said
There is no condemnation in Christ, but the Bible is pretty clear that men should not cover themselves in hair. See Absalom and Samson as examples of how hair caused calamity, but the idea is that men are called to live in Christ's light fully exposed.
Bless him but he really answered the question in the most christian way possible " Other's did it so I do. " The correct answer is "Muhammed said so! " 🙂
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Some say each strand of hair holds wisdom
Well the question is did Jesus grow his beard or give clear instructions.. if the answer is no then it’s a distraction and makes no difference !!
What about in the new testament when it says a man with long hair brings shame upon himself?
As far as I know, the beard is a symbol of wisdom and power.
It was always fashionable for men of high standing to have beards, this Changed after Alexander the Great was rocking the clean shaven look, which became the norm in Greece, then when Greeks travelled to Italy in the 300bc, they brought that clean shaven style to the Roman’s
Do American Protestants think Jesus shaved every morning before putting on a 1950s white-collar outfit?
As an Anglican, no we don’t believe that. Honestly we can’t even decide if Jesus did have a beard or not. .-.
@@keagaming9837 I know this is hyperbole/sarcasm. But I do hope that everyone knows that Jesus did infact have a beard
What if Jesus rocked a handle bar mustache?
He had his hair clipped with #2 Wahl clippers on the side and #3 on the top, every other week at the barbershop
Protestant Jesus only buys American cars!
Man is ROCKIN that beard. I’m jealous! I hope I can grow an epic wizard beard like that someday and me and Jesus can compare grooming notes lol although His will be literally perfect😂
1 Corinthians 11:14
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,
Ezekiel 44:20
They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads.
I always thought that they have beard coz they are wise.
Its start with Wars. Because as soldiers toi have to shave head to. Not Everywhere but it was.
I grow a sexy mustache and a Shaggy from Scooby doo goatee, I’d be the most stoner looking priest in all the lands.💀
Also, Jesus had a beard, and we don't shave to imitate Him.
Also, in orthodoxy we put a lot of emphasis on not disturbing our human nature, as intended by God, at all, or as little as possible.
So, if God put it in our nature to have beards, we shouldn't alter it.
Interestingly enough, some of the archeological depictions of Jesus. He is beardless.
Galatians 3.
Galatians 5:4.
I shaved because a beard is very itchy on me
1 week itch is SAVAGE
It stops being itchy once it grows out. My face is way more irritated and dry after I shave.
So do they ever shave if it’s on the basis of it being itchy/uncomfortable?
That's a good point, people are naturally hairy, cutting hair is the tradition.
"If you look at everyone that came before and really focus on their looks, you'll see they had a beard, so we should also have beards."
10 seconds later
"We shouldn't care about how we look"
Men started shaving thousand's of years ago
But we know men did shave their beards before the modern age as well. Just look at sculptures of Roman generals and emperors. Most of them were cleanly shaved.