Diagnosing HVAC Electrical Faults By Elimination
Vložit
- čas přidán 13. 05. 2023
- Mobile MRI trailer HVAC unit making noises, I wasn't told another company worked on this over the weekend. In this video, I am talking out loud, explaining how I come about the next step of diagnosing what's going on. All HVAC units have the same basic 4 components. Some may have a few extras sensors, but this climate system was new to me and this is how I worked my way through it even though I had never worked on this particular model before.
- Purchase your tools at www.trutechtools.com/?AffId=13 and use the offer code SURVIVAL to save 8% on your total purchase (exclusions may apply) -
- TOOLS I USE -
FULL LIST ON THIS PAGE - kit.co/hvacrsurvival
💥 Amazon Store: www.amazon.com/ref=as_li_ss_t...
SHORT LIST IS BELOW
RIDGID 31305 Model E-110 9.5" Offset Hex Jaw Pipe Wrench - amzn.to/3Bar08y
Klein Tools Ratcheting Box Wrench 1/4 x 5/16 amzn.to/3GOpBrG
KNIPEX Tools - 10" Pliers Wrench amzn.to/3U7RRJf
KNIPEX Tools - 10" Cobra Water Pump Pliers amzn.to/3Wje8Wn
Knipex Tools - Mini Pliers in Belt Pouch amzn.to/3WguyyH
KNIPEX Tools - 4" Cobra XS Water Pump Pliers amzn.to/3UaQiKA
Bahco -6" Wide Mouth Adjustable Wrench amzn.to/3sHIsMV
Bahco - 8" Big-Mouth Adjustable Wrench with Rubber Handle - amzn.to/3SPhDB7
Knipex - 9.5-Inch Ultra-High Leverage Lineman's Pliers amzn.to/3DTLJ2h
Klein Tools Diagonal Cutting Pliers with Angled Head - amzn.to/3zuBVJb
Klein Tools Stripper, Crimper Tool - amzn.to/3gQQ6Su
Klein Tools Wire Cutter and Wire Stripper - amzn.to/3Fs627W
Klein Tools Kurve Wire Cutters, Heavy Duty Wire Stripping Tool - amzn.to/3FseIuW
Klein Tools Heavy Duty Automatic Wire Stripper - amzn.to/3SQdZab
Klein Tools Crimping and Cutting Tool - amzn.to/3TPIgXU
Klein Tools Screwdriver Adjustable 4 to 8-Inch amzn.to/3Nl6KWz
IDEAL INDUSTRIES Digital Circuit Breaker Finder - amzn.to/3DoBFwm
Fluke 376FC AC/DC Clamp Meter with iFlex - amzn.to/3UaNyx2
Fluke 62 Max Industrial Infrared Thermometer - amzn.to/3SNdwWg
Fluke 902 FC HVAC True-RMS Clamp Meter - amzn.to/3Ws7OfB
Fluke 87V MAX - amzn.to/3U6Rlv9
Fluke Networks Pro3000 Tone Generator - amzn.to/3WedklG
Fluke - FLUKE-52 Dual Input Digital Thermometer amzn.to/3zwFdf1
Ideal Safe-T-Grip Fuse Puller - amzn.to/3zsw2w4
Klein Tools Canvas Zipper Bag - amzn.to/3WgnJxq
Uni-Paint PX-20 Oil-Based Paint Marker - amzn.to/3sE3R9T
5 Gallon Bucket Topper and Organizer - amzn.to/3sGi2Ll
Stabila Magnetic Pocket Level PRO with Holster - amzn.to/3FtYLo0
Clip & Carry Kydex Multitool Sheath for LEATHERMAN SURGE - amzn.to/3TPJfHA
Kydex Multitool Sheath for LEATHERMAN WAVE & WAVE + PLUS - amzn.to/3sJlhlg
Cooper Atkins Thermistor Thermometer - amzn.to/3DLeHkC
GEARWRENCH Internal/External Ratcheting Puller 7 Ton 2 or 3 Jaw - amzn.to/3FxTU5l
- CONTACT INFO -
hvacrsurvival@gmail.com
- FOLLOW ME -
Instagram - / hvacrsurvival
Facebook - / hvacrsurvival
Warning Notice Disclaimer - Video content listed on the channel HVAC*R Survival is for entertainment purposes only and not meant to be a substitute for not contacting a competent HVAC/R PROFESSIONAL. Do not attempt anything said or seen on my videos, The tasks that are shown are dangerous and deadly without proper training.
This page contains affiliate links, which means that if you click on the link and make a purchase, I’ll receive a small commission. HVAC/R Survival is a participant in the Trutechtools, Amazon Services Associates Program.
#hvacrsurvival #hvaclife #hvacservice #hvacr #refrigeration #troubleshooting - Zábava
Inspiring to see you jump right in to what was admittedly new to you and then to stay with it until you were convinced you'd found what was wrong. Thank you!
Thanks Jay, at this company were constantly doing something different so it’s unfortunately just the way you have to do it. Giving up generally is not an option.
I live in central Florida and worked on something very similar. It was a mobile CAT/PET and MRI scan trailer. The AC was easy to work on because it was two 5 ton Bard wall hung package units. There was a chiller that was in a cradle attached to the underside of the trailer that cooled the MRI machine. That thing was a pain in the ass to work on. I also was doing the work not through the company I worked for and the doctor 10-99ed me. I learned a lot from that experience. Good times
Mr Rick....the work on anything guy. You got some seriously good skills and knowledge....keep it up. Awesome video as always
Thanks man! 🤜🤛👍👍
Hell yeah, Rick! Gotta love working on some random unit in some random place with no information lol😅 nice job, the other guy can repair it.
Note to all techs….use a sharpie to mark an equipment panel as to what you found and what you did so there is a record with the equipment for the next technician. Hell, even put your company info so that you will be called again
Especially if it is a mobile unit which you may never see again
Help a brother out !
I didn't record it but I did exactly that inside the panel.
We’ve got a Daikin this reminds me of. The mechanical contractor and installer both pointing fingers at each other.
nobody wants to be called back on crap like that! 😏
I don't blame you let someone else have fun working in those tight places 😀
Great troubleshooting Rick.
To say it was tight in there is an understatement. Looks like maybe you were the 2nd opinion because they didn’t fully trust the 1st guy.
After speaking with the owner I was told the original company was sending a second guy to recheck the system 😆. It sounds like the on-call guy was the last resort person
Great job. Definitely deserve props for getting up there and troubleshooting those hard to access spaces.
Great Job Rick 👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🤟🏻
Great Video. Thank you for sharing.
🤜🤛👍👍
Also Veto Pro Pac make absolutely the best tool bags. Klien, wera, knipex and vessel make great tools!
Your a GREAT tech... you have encouraged me to actually go into the field
Wow man! That's awesome!!!! Do you have a plan yet?
You’re*
Great video brother, looks similar to the TV production trucks, the only problems with the TV trucks is the different controllers that’s used and not working on these units but every now and then
Good job Rick, The compressor or line voltage might have been single poling, not sure what happened either.
Ricky good job
I loved this one. I get a lot of anxiety when working on stuff I haven't seen. But you are correct, it's all the same crap. Use the fundamentals and don't overcomplicate it.
Thats about every day on some jobs for me.
@@HVACRSurvival you're an inspiration. Thanks for taking the time to video tape and comment during the service call. I'm sure it's awkward at times.
@@jericosha2842 Not really I have a excuse for talking to myself now...lol
@@HVACRSurvival ha! Always suspected you were a psychopath 😘
I told myself I wasn't so we're good😂👍👍
Carel and Schneider Electric, i am home baby !
These Carel pCOs are actually pretty good once you get used to them 👍
I don't get on them enough to get great at them
good job
🙏🤜🤛👍👍
Enjoy your videos
Thanks Dan! 🤜🤛👍👍
Last time I had one compressor ground out northern air said shut the other compressor down being they’re piped commonly. Biggest Junk ever. We had them ship a whole new unit and bolted on the trailer.
Wow, this was my first run in with them. Nice to know, thanks!
Check the winding and short to ground it checks ok
Great video, no wonder there are job postings in my area for transport refrigeration mechanics and they are always posted. Think you need to go home now and find something not someone to smash in a million pieces.
🤣👍👍. What made me the most upset was not getting told the whole story. Waste of time 😡
Those would be a pain to change out
Rick , you should have been a nuclear engineer, you know a lot about different things
😳👍👍🙏
Ex navy nuke engineer here; no he doesn't 🤣
There are things no mortal should need to know.
Tandem scrolls are evil. One dies it's going to kill its sibbling in days to weeks.
Especially if it’s grounded.
Twiddle Dee ? Watch your language 😂🤣😁 Good troubleshooting as usual ... Tell Lora Happy Mothers Day !!! Thx Rick ...
Sure will do Eddy! Thanks man!
👍👍👍
👍🇺🇸💪❄️ nice work
Compressors are in parallel, one burns up = leave crud to kill second one. Designed to fail.
That's how most grocery racks operate and they run that way for 30+years. It comes down to proper maintenance and operation. These are likely ignored until it breaks.
☺
kinda late to the party but do the compressors discharge lines (where they meet) have a check valve inbetween that 2-1 joint? something tells me when it shuts down or (if) only one compressor can run that would create some sort of venturi sucking action(possibly pulling oils) or high pressure back feeding issue, never worked on something that had that but any tips or information would be awesome! thanks
No check valves.
So how were you able to diag cc1 when a1 and a2 were not landed, is it possible that the high current draw of bad compressor locked up the cc1, I mean I heard the chatter, but coil was receiving no 24v the black and blue wires with yellow tape. Maybe I missed something … 13:16
My thought is the one compressor burned out then took out the other one causing a locked rotor possibly. I don't know at this point. All I know is both compressors need to be replaced, once they're replaced then the system needs to be checked for proper operation and superheat.
Found the right fuse on the disconnect blew. After investing found that when I checked ohms from the compressor to ground it would start at 16 M ohms climb to 38 and then OL. That test was done with the plug on the terminals disconnected and with plug on. I wonder if that means the compressor is failing I'm curious to know if anyone has come across this before.
It's possible you could have moisture in the system. I've had that happen with mega ohm meters. After I remove the compressor and the refrigerant was out of it it didn't do that anymore. Either way I'd show it as a sign that the insulation is starting to fail.
@@HVACRSurvival man I had a feeling something was wrong fuses to don't just blow for no reason. I get the feeling I'll be back out there soon enough thanks 👍
you went there to find exactly what’s wrong , the guy before probably did not had the same knowledge as you said on the video, it’s the same basic of refrigeration
Damn Copeland
Never messed with those units before. Just curious, are those mobile units still considered as a EPA 608 since they are used as stationary units? Great work by the way !!👍👍
I'm not positive but I figure they all fall under the same rules that no one in forces
@@HVACRSurvival I heard that. Just keep on rocking out vids man. Love your knowledge 👍👍
I’m pretty sure its a bad thing if you try to run only one compressor of the pair when in tandem like that. Probably what happend, one compressor died and they tried running it with only one and that one went to ground. I could be wrong though.
It won't hurt it.
Same church, different pew. Lol
😂😂👍👍
Cars or trucks HVAC is always cramped and hard to work on.
And when you work on some of the big trucks large brands that have a Monopoly and proprietary parts . It sucks because some of the distributors have piss, poor service and an attitude because they know they’re the only guys in town.
Kind of like working on it and trying to buy carrier parts. If you’re not an authorized sales or distributor.
Sounds about right
I really hate having to try & figure out what someone else has done.🙄
got a strange one a Thermall open face display the tag says r448 the compressor says r404 the the display calls for cooling the relay clicks but the compressor will not start no condenser fan
Replaced all the start component's and still no start controller is new it's a 220 system any idea incoming volts are 207 thanks
You have 208v at the compressor but no operation? What's the amps? Sounds open but why isn't the fan running,? That sounds fishy
no fan? soundls like a power problem. Could be a bad contactor.
@@liam3284 There are none
kinda think the main power switch may be bad it's a dual pole.
The other problem is there are no schematic's on the unit anywhere
Getting no power to the compressor relay
Would not want to be the guy to R+R those compressors. Bet the insides going to stink too.
That's what I was thinking 🤫
Had to do a warranty replacement on a tandem scroll set on a York unit last year. Condenser unit was on the ground but there wasn't much room to slide the tray out so we had to get some half inch fiberglass rods to hoist and slip them out.
I'm not a fan of tandem compressors because if one grounds out it poisons the oil for both of them and have to be replaced as a set anyways.
👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸👀
If it was built right, you could just swap out the system like the magazine in a firearm. Send it back to the manufacturer for repair. That would be too funny. 👍👍
True🤜🤛👍👍
346 thumbs up
same crap, packed in 1/10th the area, high off the ground and near impossible to work on. they need to bite the bullet and swap the whole refer unit out, or buy a new trailer...
😅😂😂😂bla,bla,blablabla
Well..... Blaa bla blaaa 🤣
480v, just reset the breaker a dozen times or more... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 either the bad parts will explode into a fireball and emit smoke signals or everything will start to burn and arc, problem solved.
clearly, don't do that 🤪🥳🤡
😂😂👍