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DIY guitar speaker repair using household items?
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2019
- I attempt to repair an organ speaker that doubles as a guitar speaker with an old method passed down from roadie to roadie.
Note this is not be suitable for sub woofer foam surround repair found in most car/home audio (they have extreme excursion compared to midrange speakers).
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Evostik works well as it's flexible when dry.
Small holes, splits and cuts can be fixed with nail varnish.
Another trick is to drip hot wax (candle or beeswax) on. This works particularly well on paper cones as the hot wax soaks into the paper structure. Also being wax it's not so brittle when cold as some glues can be.
Yep there are a lot of options. If you check forums everyone uses every type of glue under the sun. Haha. I go with white wood or Elmers just because it's held together for years and I have experience with them.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Yeah likewise. I've repaired bass speakers (bass guitar and bass PA) with the old wax trick and that never failed either.
Aaaaah, that "Us and Them" is just blissful.
I just wish I could finger pick it properly.
Glad to see you are not above using this trick. I have done this to a few old Peavey speakers and it is great.
10 points.
Yep. I hate to recone because they can't manufacture the same cones anymore due to regulations on using animal based products etc. You just have to listen to a reissue greenback
vs a vintage one to reach for the Elmers. Haha
Boi your voice is awesome
Thanks man.
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Man that sounded great !
This is now a custom COT speaker!
Still my favorite Paranoid cover. From one vocalist to another, love your voice.
Thanks Tommy.
Clear-drying fabric glue from hobby lobby works great if the tear is small and none of the cone is missing
Good to know. You never know when you need to patch something on the road etc so the more chains like home depot or hobby lobby that have a solution the better.
Totally thought that was the original "Paranoid" there for a while! Sounds freakin' awesome!
Hehe. Thanks man.
Really Good Backround Music in this video, The Pink Floyd Tune is #1 for me..All of them are really good
Been doing it for years...but I use tissue paper (hobby store kind) for smaller stuff. Works.
Yep that will work. Hobby stores have fabric glue too which works aparently.
That Leslie is killer! I love the fast Leslie!
Yep. It's a brilliant design/sound.
I just wanted to say that I absolutely love your videos mate! I don't often comment but god damn.
Thanks Remy. That means a lot.
You could put saran wrap over an undamaged area of cone and build up the patch on that before applying it over the hole, that way you'd have the ridges as part of the patch. Just a thought, your way seems to work, and it's got to be better than having the hole, right?
You bloody legend. I'd just realised my speaker had ripped, had a small panic, and found this video. There's a man I can probably maybe trust, I thought, so I've glued and patched and I'm waiting for it to dry now.
Cheers mate!
P.s. do you also happen to know anything about pancreatic surgery? I have plenty of wood glue left if that helps.
... it worked, too. And I found a guitar I didn't know I owned whilst finding the bits and pieces.
Excellent. I used to just use flesh coloured surgical tape on my Bass speakers. Also used rizlas. This looks a better bet.
Thumbs up for the tunes!
Thanks man!
Sounds awesome, this Leslie effect reminds me a lot how a TC Electronic Corona chorus can sound. When you use the tone print editor you can get very close to this sound
Does is squeak squeak squeak knock knock like mine? Haha
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Nope, but I guess most people can find a TC Electronic pedal before a Leslie ;)
One other thing; if you happen to find yourself modding an amp in the future, I'd be fascinated to see the process.
I will be doing something soon with a proper local amp tech. Not so much modding but repairing.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Cool beans, I'll be watching. Looking forward to the Gilmour vid, too. Did you hear he's auctioning off some of his guitars?
i second this! any amp repair, simple mods, maintenance, or biasing would be great! especially repair and mods!
hell, even just a little tube amp design theory or common practices would be cool!
@@gerryjamesedwards1227 yep there is a thread on the Circle Of Tone facebook group talking about the auction.
Nice! A bit of work, yes, but worth it in the end. What a sound.
Thanks. The payoff is worth it. I can't wait to explore micing positions and preamps etc with the Leslie.
Wow that sounded great! do you think the bearing is worn out on that thing? i thoroughly enjoyed listening to your Vintage COT Medley as well! turned out to be a great soundtrack didn't it? should put that shit in the next Avengers movie.
I'm Curious, do you record the whole songs ever? because a playlist of your covers might be a thing to have. i'd definitely wrench around on cars, solder around on amps, and go running to your shit!
Yep I think it's the bearings plus an alignment warp or something. Here is my own music. czcams.com/video/dQoQgpMooyY/video.html
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Sweet! very cool stuff man. extremely kick ass. is that a literal band of brothers? that is some seriously awesome stuff.
Thanks for the great video Owen, one of my kids stabbed a living room Hi-Fi speaker with a pencil recently.
Cool. Just one note : Be careful with hifï stuff. This may work on the cone but not the surround as they tend to use foam surrounds.
Done this a few times in the past with bog-roll.
Yep. People use everything from bog roll to cigarette papers.
R u concerned the glue will inhibit the total air pressure the cone will now move? Or does the structural stability of having a less porous patch instead of a hole outweigh the loss?
No. Not on midrange speakers. If it was a foam surround subwoofer which has a lot of cone excursion then it's not a good option. I've done this method for years on guitar speakers and I'm notorious for cranking amps.
Nothing beats that in room booming warble of a real Leslie people can’t really appreciate it until they hear it live I think great job
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I used this method for many years on guitar and bass speakers, back in the days particular (for bass) on EVM 15 L and B models. They've been mounted in a double TL 606 vented cab. Now this speakers are known for their upper bass range, but sounded great with a GallienKrueger 800 RB, back in the days. The repair lasted for years until I sold those two 215" cabs I had in this time. Even the customer was fine with the cabs and played them for years, too
The new rig I put together had a massive metal grid in front of the speakers. But I still had to repair some speakers that have been mounted in Marshall cabs. And I know a cab that is still in use, more than 30 years after I had to repair two of the speakers that have been damaged from a drumset falling into the cab. Yeah, tough times, back in the days, playing in a metal band.
Today I would glue a cone again, if lt would have a hole or a crack, but get them to someone who is able to recone the speaker with industry grade glue and stuff if the diapragm or the coil is damaged, because the stuff they send you with the recone kit is crap. A preofessional uses glue and chemicals that are much stronger, stay flexible - and are poisonous. This is only safe for a professional, they have much better equipped working places with air extraction and stuff. A professional reconed speaker is as good as a new one - and cheaper.
I wish you'd posted this BEFORE I chuckeda T-75 after my stupid ex-housemates stupid dog put a stupid hole in the fucking thing.
Oh man. Haha.
BTW, whats the spinning thing under the speaker for?
It's called a Leslie rotary speaker. It's technically a horn that spins underneath a fixed regular speaker. The faster it spins, the more chorusy/phasey sound you get.
CIRCLE OF TONE. Oohh
@@AliJr_MetalGames_MetalGuitar I wondered if that was a Leslie, I've only ever seen B&W pics of them.
It is the part that ruins the sound. The old ones have cool tube amps you can rip out though.
10:30 Is that Aku-Aku by Styx? 🤗
You definitely need a GoPro for this kind of videos!
My hardcore Henry part was a go pro. Saved my life. I lost the charger for my fancy camera then found it behind the fridge. Do you have any idea how long I looked for it? I was like a Benny Hill sketch running around my house. Haha.
How many layers do you use?
About 4 or 5 per side.
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As someone who has re- coned many car audio subs I have to say I disagree with this entire video. I see a bandaid on a broken leg here. Re- cone the sub fully or get a new one. Just my 2cents . Anyways love your music videos . Iam a fan
Car audio is different. (check the description where I warn not to do this). The sub etc have foam surrounds and way more excursion than midrange guitar etc speakers. Plus, if you have ever reconed a vintage guitar speaker, it ruins the sound. It's probably illegal to make these cones like they used to back in the day with animal products etc. Listen to a vintage greenback vs a reissue and you will be reaching for the Elmers.
I've done this many times for years and you all know I crank the crap out of my speakers. Hehe.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE you say you have done this kind of patch many times. Does the patch not just dry out over time then fall back apart ?
@@wallskog333 The solvents etc wick into the cone. At the end of the day these old guitar speakers are paper(wood) and glue. Look up most forums and Elmers and white wood glue are the most popular/tried and tested for these types of drivers. Dedicated speaker glue is usually overpriced relabeled Elmers.
White Wood glue is designed to expand with wood which moves. It's not rubbery obviously but people put too much faith in rubery glue. It does not last and bind as good.
What's the worst case scenario? In 5 years it fails, and you redo it. No biggie.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE well you have made good points for your argument. I'll set back down. If it works for you then it works . And like you said if you have to redo it at some point it's still not a loss.
@@wallskog333 I have to back up Cirkle Of Tone. I am a working musician and long time bass player, started gigging in 1979, when
1. new speakers were not available every day
2. we had no money, because venues didn't pay a lot
So we had to repair speakers when it was possible. Everybody avoided reconing, because the sound did differ a lot, you allways
've been unsure if the reconed speaker did break in into a similar sound as the old one - and reconing still was expensive.
Even on a EVM 15 L the kittchen roll (sometimes toilet paper) and woodglue method saved me some bucks.
You have to understand that this speakers don't have a massive excursion, so glueing the cone was fine and lastet for decades.
One of my guitar players still has an old Marshall cab with two speakers that have been glued back in the 1980's, and he loves the sound and response of that particuary cab. He tried out new speakers some months ago, but we decided to mount those two new speakers in an empty 212" and keep the glued ones because the new ones just didn't match the beautifull sound of the old, broken in speakers.
If the coil or the diaphragm of a speaker is damadged there is no question, you have to recone the speaker. But a hole or a cut in the paper cone is an easy, cheap repair anybody is able to fix.