Exposing Beckett (BGS): Resubmitting 14 Yugioh Cards and Comparing Grades: 70% Difference?!?!
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This Might Be One Of The Most Important Videos For Any Serious Collector.
I agree and that was my goal
More like worst... population of a card brings prices down if they dont work with you main reason i like psa as they accept resubmits and it wont ruin population data if you work with them example your psa 9 is a 10 they remove the matching psa 9 or your psa 9 is a 9 rather then population being 2 it will stay 1 if you work with them (if their was only 1 psa9 of the card)
@@zeekstar3899 the reason people crack is to erase any preconceived ideas about the condition of the card. It gives it a fresh, fair look at the card without giving the grader an idea that anything is wrong with the card
@@zeekstar3899 Worst for sure. Never sending anything to Beckett.
This is so god damn important. Finally dispelling all the bs people keep spouting. Thank you for this!
I do what I can
Good to know, BGS will never get a $1 of mine. Grading companies need to have a system and real ways to grade our cards. Not just on how that employee is feeling that day. And getting a 10 with bgs is like hitting the lottery, twice. Hard pass for me
Great video! This just shows that it’s all subjective and comes down to how an employee is feeling on a certain day.
We need to stop giving these grading companies so much power.
That one teacher at school who never gives 100s on tests
Holy shit that faded time wizard is so nice
The fact that the grades changed is not really surprising. As long as humans do the evaluation, there will be some variance.
Much more interesting is that in this case most card got better and not a single one got an overall worse grade! That means that in this case it is not a random variation but a systematic one. And that the real point which should raise questions in my oppinion.
Respectfully, every person with experience grading at both companies knows that both PSA and BGS can be inconsistent. Once you grade with BGS enough you find out that their customer service will literally never ever take the time of day to try and rectify “misgraded” cards. The inconsistency is absolutely frustrating but in the grand scheme of things every card was within 0.5 total grade of each other, right? What about the random psa 4s-7s that come in every sub on legit mint cards? It would be easy to make a video on PSA’s inconsistency as well
Someone should exposed PSA for eating KFC immediately before grading cards
Lmaooo. That’s a good one and who know where the white squares come from!?!?
Is the same sht with PSA as well tho. There’s so many 10s that shouldn’t even be 10s
Awesome video man! As a returning yugioh fan just beginning to dable in collecting, videos and info like this are invaluable. Thanks so much! Can't wait to see more of your stuff!
just like how graders of essays in school are subjective, thats why math was my favorite subject in school, its objective, grading needs more strict and clear guidelines
I always thought the same thing. What really bug me were multiple choice questions we would ask, what do you think the author meant by this passage? Then it would have ABC or D. Like dude, I thought you were asking what I thought... I don’t like anything that is subjective even though I think they were very very few things in life that are subjective. I don’t like being left up to the discretion of other people. I like objective measurements were humans can’t make errors or have biases or be lazy or let their feelings or stupidity get in the way. Especially get in the way of what I’m trying to do lol
They are so afraid of giving 10s even if its perfect.
Damn that new corner laser techs doing wonders for those grades!
GREAT VIDEO MAN
Thanks for watching and keeping it casual!
Interesting how the Time Wizard is also now no longer a "Printing Error"...
Just to let you all know. The faded b skull was regraded seperate and got a quad plus grade. The b skull in the video was a 9 and had a chance at a 9.5, the b skull is the weakest card in the sub. Now it’s the strongest??? Memes
This is why I buy lower graded cards I care about the card not the grade I only want it encased to preserve the card!!!
just get a binder then
Crazy video. Hopefully you have a circumstance where you resubmit a large amount of psa and see the difference between 9/10 etc!
This is awesome! I am definitely excited
Great video man! Nice that you guys expose companies like this I think this helps a lot of collectors
Great video. I would almost argue to BUY the grade and not the card. Cards not gonna change but the grade is practically rolling the dice these days so just buy the grade you want that way you don’t gotta keep rolling them dice 😂
Those faded Cards look so good.
To be real, I doubt they are gonna give a refund for 0.5 human error difference in grading, even for multiple. Looking forward to seeing what PSA does with the computer grading and how that affects BGS tho. Clearly they need to do some tests for their graders or something to ensure the quality of their grading if they are gonna be that different between submissions.
Some grades were an entire point off and when 70% are different then there’s no reason to have the subgrade system in place at all in my opinion
@@vintage_yugioh I definitely agree it calls into question the legitimacy of the subgrade system, especially being a whole grade off in a subgrade
BGS subgrades are meme worthy sometimes for sure. In the most extreme cases I've had some cards jump all the way from 8.5 to 10 on surface from one sub to another. I'd still say I support having them on balance though, if nothing else then to add some kind of accountability to the process. I can't imagine how some PSA subs where minty cards get random 6-7s would look if the graders were forced to award subgrades within that lol
You are the man, I respect that.
Un gran video para los que somos coleccionistas, muchísimas gracias por compartirlo y el trabajo compañero.
This is honestly mind-boggling. Holy crap
Thanks for watching
I once heard of a guy that cracked and resubmitted a BGS gold label 10 card and got a black label in return. The only thing he did different was submit it as priority or paid more than 100 dollars for it to get it graded. To be fair, maybe the grader was in a hurry due to the priority demand and didn't see that centering flaw and therefore thought it was a perfect black label. It can't be that 100+ dollars.
It’s all subjective at the end of the day. Human error occurs all the time. It’s random luck once you get beyond 9.5
You took a filer and improved the corners on Exodia leg😂 All jokes aside this was very educational on grading error
Buy the card not the grade? That's a great way to look at it, and admit i'm a 10 chaser lol. Nowadays bgs 10s and psa 10s cost an arm and a leg so definately great advice for anyone who collects! Thanks man🙏👊
Exposing: its almost like different employees sometimes grade cards. Crazyiness!
So I exposed their inconsistencies and nonstandardization of grading from person to person then. Grading should be factual and not opinionated
I can understand how maybe a grader can mistake corners/edges and surface to some degree. But the centering grade should be 100% accurate. Why is there not a tool for this?
I agree. Centering grades should never change
Why do they not give out 10s? What exactly are they looking for with 10 criteria? What exactly would those 9.5s need to become 10s? Makes no sense. Just seems like they’re only allowed to give out a certain amount of 10s, and everything else is only allowed to get 9.5 even if it looks exactly the same as the 10s do lol
can we also point out the fact that the cards placed in these slabs are also just crooked
Next episode: Exposing PSA? (Probably not when all your investment are PSA graded lol)
Judging the amount of subgrades that have changed is not the best measure. You should count the overall grade.
Clearly, last time was stricter grader, this time is easier grader.
People buy gem mint label/ mint label, just like how PSA works. Subgrades are the extra indicators for card and price.
Furthermore, You mentioned you want credit or refund from BGS.
It is quite funny when many people grade with PSA and only get PSA 7 to 9. They cracked cases multiple time and re-subbed for the chance of PSA10. Meanwhile PSA8 cards can be PSA9 next time and PSA8 again and then PSA7 and finally get PSA10.
Can they get credit or refund ? clearly not. I am not sure why are you being double standard again.
You graded lots with PSA and cracked lots just to get PSA10 grade. Don't tell me how accurate/consistency PSA is.
Grade is all subjective between all the grading company. Because it is Human who is grading !!!!!!!!!!!
Now you are criticising 0.5 subgrades when PSA gives overall grade differently which has much more impact on the card.
PSA has not even graded any card with AI yet. I will acknowledge the consistency and accuracy of PSA grade when they FIRE all human graders and only allow to grade cards with AI.
You can not expect human to have same exact grading scale especially 0.5 variants !
PSA constantly change overall grades.
PSA8 to PSA10
PSA7 to PSA9
Please tell me how consistent PSA is.
I literally roast PSA in this video also. They are just as inconsistent but don’t have the subgrade system to really paint that picture. This is also a BGS return so that’s why it was focused to BGS. I say in EVERY graded video I do to buy the card and not the grade as cards are misgraded all the time and that I should be the last person to say it with the graded collection I have but it’s the truth, so as much as you think as I’m trying to help myself out somehow by making this video you’d be wrong. I’m trying to help people understand no matter the company there are inconsistencies and grading is very near a scam. Also 10/14 overall grades changed or 72% so near the same level as subgrades, so the data and title reflect that too.
Also, PSA once regraded an entire submission of mine for free that consisted of 100 cards because they actually admitted they misgraded them and around half of them moved to PSA 10s. All I really want is for BGS to admit their faults and quit acting like they are perfect.
@@vintage_yugioh Base on years of grading experience you have, it is very obvious this batch is much easier and hence you see more 10 subgrades.
The last batch was clearly grader did not want to give any subgrade 10. hence overall savage grades.
I am pretty sure if cards are gem mint worthy and they get 9.5 which what they deserved, that is a good thing for your customers.
@@vintage_yugioh yes you get the compensation from PSA which is amazing. however, many customers locally or internationally do not get that benefit. they just have to crack and send, crack and send. repeating the process to get the grade they deserve.
PSA without subgrade gives more grey area between strong and weak cards. but it will never solve the consistency issue grading company has. human is not machine. Grade is very subjective by graders.
@@Tcg_1st all these cards are gem worthy and all got graded BGS 9.0 the first time, so that’s why we were unhappy and cracked them
Graded once with them and will never grade with them again. They scam on their grading 100%
PSA is the exact same if not worse, I’m looking at DSG grading soon. Charging more than $30 for card grading is just price gouging, I hate how PSA charges off of the cards value..... it should be a flat rate. These companies are screwing so many people
I agree. Prices of the cards could go down or up over time so it’s dumb to be charged based on the value at the time of grading
give me a break. PSA grades 5s all the time that regrade 9's and 10's. Do they get held to account? No they thrive more than ever and their scores matter for value more than ever. These companies never get held to account.
Hi, I just got terrible results as well. Did you do anything different when you resubmitted? Anything different on the submission form.
Absolutely nothing. They seem to be more consistently strict now so good luck
@@vintage_yugioh :( I don't know if that is a good thing. Strict vs. Poor Grading. I also used PSA Card Savers sending to BGS lol. That might of pissed them off.
@@vintage_yugioh did you use the same username to resubmit?
@@justinthinkify yes
damn... BGS is slacking hard!!!! Not cool at all, but glad you made a video on there inconsistencies
Tbh as much as i appreciate the video as a collector myself. PSA in my eyes is just as bad and in some instances worse.. When you resubmit a submission is it the same grader that looks it over? if not we can't expect two different individuals to grade the same way. This is just human error and nothing else.. If PSA were to put in their labels scores on centering,edges etc...i can imagine the mess that would be. The complaints are going to get to the point where not only will they start implementing computers to grade or assist them but when they do,the chances of any of us getting a 10 again are slim to none. If most people were to send back there precious collections of 10s especially the older certs, I'm willing to bet more than half of those cards will come back as 8s and 9s..the collectors that were grading just a couple years ago..i don't see them complain how the majority of them have weak 10s in their collections.
I agree, BUT if there is that much variation between graders then they should have better training to standard their grading to minimize variation AND have a second reviewer to grade separately to compare the grades to the first grader and discuss the two graders differences in grades before slapping a label on the card and calling it good
Did you send them pack to BGS in the original slabs? And they reslabbed them?
No. I cracked them so they had no preconceived ideas on previous grades
I think this video says it all! Its a shame too because I really like their slabs, but its obvious from this video that their grading is completely inconsistent. I mean anyone who looks at the pop reports can see a problem when most cards have only low single digits in 10 and Black Labels are virtually non existent, and even if you do judging by this you could crack a black label and resubmit and get an 8.5 so whats the point?
Yall do realise grading is a opinion of a single graders opinion . For a strict grader these are 9s for someone knew guy on the job they look like gems. PSA does pop control resubb 20 10s and let's see how many come back a 10. What did we learn from this ? Buy the card not the grade !!!
This is why I don't plan on collecting graded cards at all. I'll stick with nice raw cards for in my binder :).
Saves me a lot of money and just as enjoyable to me.
Definitely a valid way to do it!
we should try different grade houyses
am fully convinced PSA grading is the only one worth getting just because it makes the card look cool.
the grading it self is not that important as long as its 8 and above
Also, shouldn't centering and surface just be done by computers? you know .. take out the human error factor?
Centering would be very easy, on yugioh cards especially, with their black borders, to never mess up with computers but somehow no one has implemented the software or something. Surface could be a little harder as light would need to hit the front and back at different angles and intensity to see defects
Just curious when you crack and re sub does that mess with the pop count?
Yes
That was a good question. I guess obviously it would mess with the population but I just never thought about that. Maybe you can let them know that you cracked your card after you re-graded it to correct the population? If you had evidence at least.
Yes it does. The only pop number that isn’t skewed is PSA 10 and possible BGS quad 9.5 or better. PSA 9s and below and BGS 9.0 and below get cracked frequently
Essentially the grades are meaningless
Correct. All subjective
Any opinions on HGA Grading? They use AI to grade their cards, so there's no chance for human error. Their pricing for grading is very affordable as well, not $300 per card like the pricing at PSA , BECKETT pricing is also way too high.
Never heard of them but I’ll look into them
@@vintage_yugioh yeah check them out if you get the chance, they're definitely worth trying out. The slabs are nice too.
The one dislike on this video is probably the Beckett grader
Just curious when slabs are cracked and cards resubmitted if you still have the old labels then I would assume the cards are counted twice in pop reports presenting an inaccurate pop report. The pop reports are already likely way out with wrongly labelled cards and cards that have been resubmitted. How many PSA 10s do you see that just shouldn't be a 10 being off centre or slight edge nick. To have complete confidence in PSA or beckett both companies should scrap all the yugioh cards in its database and start from scratch giving prior slab owners the chance to resubmit their cards for free to be regraded so the database could be accurate from day 1. I know its a mammoth task and never gonna happen but so many errors have been made since they started grading yugioh. They have even been known to have graded fake cards because they didnt know any better. What about the new labelling of reprints. Im sure there are plenty labelled as 2002. The whole industry is a joke and I dont know how so many collectors have confidence at all in their graded cards and the grading system.
I agree it’d be a nice for a restart on it all but PSA would never do it nor would the majority of collectors
The one thing i dont get here why Vintage doesnt do the same for PSA? Theyre also full of bullshit like pretty much all grading services
Because I don’t have first hand submission proof like I do for Beckett
@@vintage_yugioh Thanks for answering! And sorry for the offensive language
Really poor. But man I really love the BGS slabs
Awesome content man! To call themselves a professional grading service and have that kind of quality is terrible. You might be able to blame it on the different individuals who did each grading. Different people can look at the same thing and have different perspectives. Just like the old blue dress vs gold dress hype. That being said they should absolutely have a strict criteria in place that would make it impossible for something like this to happen. Bring on the robots!
Different people can look at the same thing and have different perspectives but they can’t both be right. Somebody’s just wrong lol somebody told me today at church that no ideas are dumb when we were talking about politics. I said if my children were super left-wing I would be disappointing them because they believe dumb ideas and two people said no ideas are dumb.lol like what? No ideas are dumb? lol Nazis have dumb and bad ideas
That’s not really where I was going. Similar to baseball how an umpire isn’t always 100% correct in strikes vs balls. There is clearly human error, but replacing the umpire with a robot might take away some of the fun of the sport. Grading systems are not perfect by any stretch and I agree with Louis that it’s unacceptable. At the end of the day it’s literally someone’s objective opinion until they base their whole system digitally.
Have you thought maybe different people graded cards? I don't think only one person grades all the cards. I get it why people like graded cards but why not just enjoy the cards.
I am fully aware there are multiple graders, but when I pay hundreds of dollars for a service I’d at least like to see some consistencies. They have grading standards and scales so it shouldn’t matter who the grader is
@@vintage_yugioh I see now. I understand your point of view. Someone once told me that when a card is being graded the person is grading that card is under their personal opinion. Does that mean they will follow the grading company's standard idk but you are putting faith in that person to follow the grading company's standards. I also understand to protect the cards because those cards mean something to that person.
PSA is really garbage too though
Yeah... "The World's Most Trusted Source in Collecting" my ass
Don't be sorry at all for being sarcastic, this was just ridiculous
lmao imagine everyone paying them collectivly millions and millions and millions of dollars for them to type with one eye open 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
I think The time wizard had 3 changed btw
So what's the point of submitting to BGS if they aren't consistent with the grading 🤔
Exactly….
You will see that exodia in a psa sub soon. I only sent to bgs as it had a chance at a 10 lol
I like the new profile pic!
Insane video man, 70% difference for a paid service is ridiculous. BGS definitely needs to overhaul its card grading system and work on its consistency issues. Never realized how bad it was, hope you get your refund and BGS takes this video seriously.
I’m sure they won’t but we shall see.
I knew they were just manipulating the market
I understand the frustration, but let's be honest here. When submitting cards to grading companies, you aren't paying for an objective analysis or precise evaluation. You are paying for that grading company's OPINION. This video screams First World Problems.
I’m paying for a professional grade to give an accurate representation of the card I submit. Not to throw money out the window for inaccurate grades.
@@vintage_yugioh and you received a professional grade. Just like a patient recieves a professional opinion from a doctor. If you get an opinion for something from two different doctors, be prepared to get varied opinions. The bar for what constitutes "professional" is very low. Do you seriously believe the individuals grading your cards went to higher education to work in this field?
@@kovacuator I expect variation, but I also expect if they claim to be professional graders that they stand by their grades and when there’s this much disparity they should do something to improve and make it better for the future. Also if doctors made that many mistakes they’d get sued for malpractice.
@@vintage_yugioh if professional graders could be successfully sued for their inconsistencies, they would all go out of business.
@@kovacuator then they should go out of business lol
Why don't you crack open all your old PSA 10 slabs and send them back into PSA for regrading so we can see their consistency against BGS and compare the two companies. I would expect both companies are about as good (or bad) as one another. The whole grading industry is a scam.
I have about 5 cards that have been cracked that are at PSA currently and I guarantee they get different grades than before.
This is bad. RiP BGS. You should do PSA as well. I recently saw someone resub some PSA 4-6s and they went up to 8-9s.
Do you sell any of these? Link in bio?
These cards aren’t mine.
Sure unfairly graded or not understanding the older it is the nicer they tend to be grading it... honestly psa all the way tho and i dont aprove of cracking them open all your doing is raising population of the card if they dont work with you devaluing it long run buyers who know tend to cheek grade sites population data so long run even if you know your just bringing prices down
PSA 9 and BGS 9.0 populations all contain cracked cards. The only population you can really trust is PSA 10s and possibly quad or better BGS 9.5s
burn it downnnn
BGS is a joke
I don’t like bgs cases
Stop sending in brand new cards. The whole idea of getting cards graded in the first place was so that you could see how good a shape your old cards were in. There's value in that. If they grade every new card a 10, people would just stop sending them in and they would lose a ton of money. When you buy or sell a card, it's nice to know that an unbiased person that knows cards very well, can verify the condition. That's it. Your obsession with grading is more insane than their inconsistencies.
These cards are 18 years old. They are by no means old when compared to some trading cards but for this game they are the oldest English released cards that were mostly played with by children so grading them is definitely warranted to prove condition
Oh please. What company says you should only grade to see “how good a shape your old cards were in?” Come on. It is to encapsulate and preserve the card first, and to represent the quality the card is in.