Christian Women Must Wear a REAL Head Covering
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- There are no inconsequential or unimportant laws in the kingdom of God, nor are the laws of Christ difficult to understand. The only obstacle that lays in front of us is our own unwillingness to accept the truth. But once we know the truth, this law is simple and easy to practice. No one considers it a great burden to put shoes on before going outside, and no Christian woman bemoans donning the veil of modesty.
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Quotes from the church fathers on the face veil begin at 1:00:19.
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I wish the Anabaptists would watch this, along with the infant baptism video. I just sent to it to an Anabaptist but this brother said no. And I even sent him quotes from Tertullian and Origen but I guess he lacks of love for truth... really sad when people are correct on most things but then refuse correction on things they are not correct on.
I have deleted my comment and started praying over this matter. I have hypocritically quoted 1 Corinthians 4:6, yet wickedly disobeyed Paul‘s commandment by exhalting my own words. I am afraid I have caused people to sin.
Conclusion of the matter: A covering is a sign of submission so do as your headship commands. Not what anyone else tells you. Make no excuses to any person. Only obey.
But obey the to the truth not a misinterpretation
Boy you’d love it in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, at least before they legalized women being permitted to show their face
Saudi Arabia is too liberal.
@@ante-nicenechristianity that’s why I said before they legalized it
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So would you say head coverings are only required when praying and prophesying or anytime in public too? And it has to cover the woman's whole face?
I think the video is very clear on that; the face must absolutely be covered. We show that this is what Paul meant when he said that women ought to wear modest apparel with shamefacedness (that they should hide their face with a veil). Only the eyes being left uncovered although it's superior to cover the eyes too.
@@ante-nicenechristianity AMEN
Even in public you should cover everything. Reccomend wearing a compression bra and wear dresses, leggings, and tunics that hide and pull away from your figure. Hide everything like women in the middle east. Show nothing.
Will you be doing a video on the Lord's Supper? Thank you.
Yes, in the near future.
Would be a great subject.
But Paul also wants men to have short hair in that passage. That means a lot of Orthodox men, including clergy, need a haircut.
That's completely correct. We have a separate video planned to discuss how the Orthodox sect fail in this respect.
You are absolutely right. The Greek Orthodox disobey God by having long hair. And the Roman Catholics and the Greek Orthodox disobey God by wearing their hats. And the Roman Catholics disobey God by shaving their beards off. These people do not even obey God in the most simple of matters and they certainly don't obey Him in the great matters either. They are not faithful with the little things so God does not entrust them with any great things as they claim He does.
Amen
I fully agree with you, Sia.
@@ante-nicenechristianityI'm glad. So often Christian men have plenty to say about women's appearance and clothing, but not so much about men's.
Please also do something about modesty that doesn't focus on clothing or externals. The spirit of the law, not so much the letter.
@@sia9907 Yes, I will agree. Neither genders should be wearing right/revealing clothes or anything that is fancy.
Don’t worry bro everyone’s wrong except for you, god allowed the church to go so far off that quite literally not a single sect enforces this command that’s so essential for salvation.
Oh but Islam? That heretical sect founded by a false prophet? They got it right! Wonder why god allowed his true churches to go astray but the false one got everything right ☹️ this may be the best argument for Islam I’ve ever heard
Haven't you ever wondered how such a satanic religion could take over the world like it has, when it's so easily disproven? The answer is that it puts modern Christianity to shame in so many ways, it triumphs over the fake denominations. Muslims are more devoted in their prayers, they memorize the quran more than Christians memorize Scripture, their wives dress more modestly and submit to their husbands, they have an average of seven children per household and don't use birth control, and they hate image-worship. Our explanation makes sense. If Christians were doing all these things, they would have beaten Islam a long time ago. But instead of fighting Islam with spiritual weapons, they broke Christ's commandments and fought carnal wars with Islam, losing the battle completely.
But how dare you say something so blasphemous, that we're the only ones who know what true Christianity is? Did you watch the latter half of the video, which consists almost entirely of quotes from the church fathers commanding women to veil their faces?
@@ante-nicenechristianity I agrée with most of your first line, except for the idea that Muslims triumph over Christian’s by the memorization of their scripture. Not only is the Quran significantly shorter than the Bible (it’s just above 1/3rd of the size of the New Testament in English word count), but it’s also significantly more simplistic. I’ve read it, twice, and it’s full of pointless repetition and void of any real thought provoking meaning, it’s almost as tho it was written with the purpose of being memorized (and it basically was). So I wouldn’t give Christian’s too much grief for their lack of word for word memorization, many devout Christian’s can recall a group of verses off the top of their head regarding almost any theological question and I think that’s more than equitable to Islamic surah memorization.
As for your last paragraph, I didn’t say your beliefs had no historic or scriptural backing, or that you’re the only ones to *ever* believe this, I said you’re one of the only ones that still do. The purpose of this comment was to ask why is this? I’m not necessarily DISAGREEING with the points or beliefs you’ve brought forth (This video has honestly put me on the fence on the topic which is probably more than most people can say when it comes to having their minds changed), but the question is why is it that every single prominent church currently on the earth openly rejects the necessity of a full face covering? Why is it that the churches with self proclaimed apostolic succession and even the most zealous in upholding ancient tradition to not enforce this concept? I know your name is “ante nicene” which is obviously a reference to the fact you promote a return to the primitive pre constantinien church, but do you totally reject apostolic succession? And if so, do you also reject the idea that the Pentecostal spirit still works within the church? (whether that be organized as the apostolic churches claim or a body of believers as the Protestants claim) these are questions that need to be answered if there is a genuine belief that these churches have apostatized, because if so, where is the church? What is god going to do about it? What is the future for the church that supposedly will not be taken from the earth?
@@ante-nicenechristianity Sad but true!
Is there any historical evidence of eunuchs veiling. I know many men in the ancient world would seek after eunuchs. Many who were forced into sex work. I swear ive read that due to their appearance eunuchs did veil. But finding information on them is difficult. It depends on the type of eunuch though. Pagan eunuchs tend to have worn womens garb due to the emasculation they consented to. Gallae did this who worshiped kybele.
But I wonder if any of them converted.
Who cares if eunuchs veiled? Women are commanded to veil, not men. You're distracted by useless questions.
Amen.
Thank you for commenting, good to hear from you again.
The aztecs inca, and maya are certainly not devoid of any technological advancement, thats kind of crazy to say.
I have some questions and wanna give some thoughts of mine.
Aren't Jewish priests instructed to wear a head covering and still pray? ≠ 1 Corinthians 11:4
Doesn't the Shroud of Turin show that Messiah, a man, had long tied hair? ≠ 1 Corinthians 11:14 (Don't come up with the first [for you best suited] answer that it's fake. That would be a lazy research.) (Also, Paul's example of men don't wear long hair and is easily falsified by nature with lions, in which the male ones wear long manes.)
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If I take Romans 2:26.28.29 in consideration, then (outward) clothing can't be an exclusion criterion for salvation. The bible tells us that some people not even have a tunic (Luke 3:11) and Christian ethics demand that one clothe one's brother (Isaiah 58:7). So, some people don't even have a choice how they wanna cloth themselves. Additionally, if an uncovered woman is all the devil needs to bring you into heinous sins, then it's you who should put some work on heart cleansing and restraining yourself.
Romans 2:26.28.29
26 If a man who is not circumcised keeps the requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 28 A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. 29 No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from GOD.
Luke 3:11
John replied, “Whoever has two tunics should share with him who has none, and whoever has food should do the same.”
Isaiah 58:7
Isn’t it to share your bread with the hungry, to bring the poor and homeless into your home, to clothe the naked when you see him, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
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In the book of Revelation 3:18 about Laodicea Messiah says that one should buy white garments, which symbolizes the righteous acts of the saints (Revelation 19:8), so that the shame of one's own nakedness isn't made manifest. Yeah, you can argue that covering is the main point here, but I see it more (especially it's written in the symbolic book of Revelation) as a symbol & as a display of the inward attitude of a believer and how this attitude results in righteous acts in life.
Revelation 3:18
I counsel you to buy from Me gold having been refined by fire so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may be clothed and the shame your of nakedness might not be made manifest, and eye-salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
Revelation 19:8
And it was given to her that she should be clothed in bright, pure, fine linen." For the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
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You made the arguments that Europe is the whore and the burqas are the morally superior standard of women. You can take this stand, but I wanna see the European standard of clothing in an overall observation of the redemption plan. Let me explain:
As humanity sinned GOD made an insert into eternity (Rev 10:6). From Genesis 3:24 to Revelation 22:14, being cut off from the tree of life to having obtained anew the access to the tree of life, we live through this insert, in which the acts & results of rebellion against GOD are displayed and how GOD by HIS grace is triumphing in rescuing HIS creation. In the garden of Eden humanity was naked. It's like the innocence of a little baby. (And yes, angels saw Eve naked, too. Therefore, I can't understand Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:10, because the fallen angels didn't sin because women were so beautiful, but because they wanted to have own offspring.) Humanity sinned and then got clothed by God. I highly doubt whether Eva was really dressed in a full burqa style by God. That would make no sense when I look at male and female animals in nature. After the flood Ham sinned sexually against his father Noah, so that Canaan was born by Noah's wife. That's likely a reason why women got covered more and more. It's the sinful eye of men, and not the will of GOD. With the gospel message came freedom (Gal 5:13; 1 Cor 8:9). Some Christians took this freedom and went crazy. Paul reminded them by examples of nature and traditions (1 Cor 11) that GOD put order in place and humility is a great good (1 Cor 14:33.34).
Revelation 10:6
And he swore by him who lives to the eternity of eternities, him who created Heaven and that which is in it, and The Earth, and that which is in it: “Time shall be no more.”
Genesis 3:24
So He drove out the man and stationed cherubim on the east side of the Garden of Eden, along with a whirling sword of flame to guard the way to the tree of life.
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates.
Galatians 5:13
For you brothers were called to freedom, but not the freedom for an opportunity to the flesh. Rather, serve one another through love.
1 Corinthians 8:9
But be careful, lest somehow this right of yours becomes an occasion of stumbling to those being weak.
1 Corinthians 14:33.34
33 For GOD is not a God of disorder, but of peace-as in all the churches of the saints. 34 Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
However, Christianity took hold in Europe and the Christian culture grew in Europe. With it came higher morality and by it more freedom. Today, in Europe women won't be enclosed into their homes & they don't have to wear full coverings, which look like ugly bedsheets. GOD is a God of beauty; you only have to watch nature with its mating dances. Female animals aren't enclosed into bedsheet like coverings. The only persons who have problems with not being fully covered are men (and women) of the cultures of the Middle East and North Africa. Most rape cases are connected with these groups of people. They have low morals and the sinful eye.
I wanna ask you another question.
Do you believe that women will walk in GOD's holy kingdom for all eternity non-stop in burqas, when they are outside of their homes?
I think that the freedom women in Europe have in clothing (yes, in part they take to much freedom,) is an expression of GOD's kingdom & HIS gospel message. The law is given to lawless people (Gal 3:19; 1 Tim 1:8-11) to contain sinful behavior. Europe is so far ahead of the world, because it has implemented a lot of Christian doctrines into its cultures. And this led to freedom of expression. This expression isn't showed only in clothing, but also in possibilities of women's work places, entertainment etc.
Galatians 3:19
Why then the Law? It was added on account of transgressions, until The Seed to Whom promise has been made should have come, having been ordained through angels in the hand of a mediator.
1 Timothy 1:8-11
8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. 9 We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching 11 that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed GOD, with which I have been entrusted.
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Overall, I have to say modesty is a high good, but being covered in a ugly bedsheet & enclosed into the own home isn't the answer. All cultures, who cover themselves in this manner have many cases of rape & women are suppressed - India, Pakistan, Middle East...(Mark 7:21). I don't see GOD's eternity with this mind set in place. Would this be the best empire, the best governance possible? Is GOD's governance that women must be clothed in bedsheets? I don't think so. GOD promised that the law of GOD will be put in our minds & in our hearts (Hebr 8:10). A lawful man appreciates the beauty of women and don't lust after them.
Mark 7:21
For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares THE LORD. I will put MY laws in their minds and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their GOD, and they will be MY people.
I think that you are rooted more in the letter of the law than in the spirit of the law, like the Jews in apostolic times.
2 Corinthians 3:15
And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
King of Assyria, you are are not like that other ancient king of Assyria, Tiglath Pileser the 1st, who decreed that all women be veiled. You are the kind of person we rebuked in this video, who makes fun of modestly-dressed women, saying they look like bedsheets walking about and trying to shame them out of obedience to Christ's commands. Have you deceived yourself into believing the Scriptures and church fathers can be overthrown by a few childish retorts? "What right have you to recite My statutes and to bear My covenant on your lips?" You refute yourself with your final sentence. "Even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts." That veil which completely obscures the sight of the Jews is the very veil Paul commanded women to wear on their heads. We are preserving the ancient custom of the church, but you are inclined to be contentious.
It's ironic how you are quoting Paul , who is the same person that gave that apostolic tradition! My advice would not to conflate things deal with one thing at a time. The scriptures don't contradict each other. The contradictions are within us because of man made church traditions. I'm in agreement with the ancients that our authority is in the apostles not 21st century expositions. “Let the whole 21st century church be a liar but let Paul be true”
@@ante-nicenechristianity I am in agrement
@@stewart_kiragu PERIOD
Very insightful. So far have we fallen from the trudishins and commandments.
At what age would wemon cover and was it at marriage there face be reviled To there man?
Tertullian says they began to be veiled at "the turning point of their age," when they went through puberty around 12 or 13. And yes, their face wasn't revealed until marriage. I talk about that at 2:12:20.
Know that somewhere in the bible. It states that women copy off the men, especially with clothing. Mannnn i forget the passage I think its in Isaiah.but when you that about fashion it always starts with us. If you were alive in the 2000s it was all the guys that wore the tights as just clothes. Underarmor.
If you select any one aspect of this video, do the selection on Christian sources. I fear mentioning so much Islam and pagan veiling practice would actually work against them
The video begins with Paul and shows the practice of veiling in the Old Testament. Then it examines the Greek word for veil. Then it gives all of the quotes from the church fathers about the face veil at 1:00:19.
1 Corinthians 11:7 is the reason why I’m not a Christian. What’s that mean? That we can’t be our own person? I think Paul said a women is made for a man? To me= women only exist for men. I hate that not because of some feminist, but because it’s bad enough that some men think we don’t have a right to reject them. Yes some women lost their lives even rejecting kindly towards a man. I am afraid that some incel is going to use this to control women. I despise patriarchy cause in every patriarchal society women are seen and treated as property and inferior. Also it’s dangerous for us. In matriarchal and egalitarian societies women rarely deal violence from men. Makes sense cause patriarchy teaches that women are below men, that we exist for them (as Paul said) and thus have no right to say no.
Also Paul contradicts Genesis 1:27 “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” Some like to use genesis 2, but that’s contradictory, yet some say it isn’t, but we can see two different stories. One shows animals being created before men and other after humans. America is still a patriarchal society, but becoming less so. Men on women violence is high in patriarchy countries and so cause by that.
God made Eve to be Adam's helper, just as Christ's church is the helper of Christ. The wife must embrace her role of helping her husband, being a good wife and mother, or else remain unmarried. God invented authority structures to maintain order in the world. If you rebel against authority, you can't be saved.
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