The moment I laid eyes on it I knew it would be great for my combopoint pure crit RF rogue. It stops me from jumping back and forth with bow and crossbow. now I can finally fully go bow
Just got a skyhunter with greater crit damage, wasnt sure if it was better than my crossbow or not.... First season playing rogue, super helpful video! Thanks
It’s just a shame there making pits and eveything so easy. So we won’t actually be able to tell how much the item changes impacts the game. Like you said you made it to 110 if you were able to make it to 140 with new updates on weapons that would actually say the improved the game weapons. But they nerfed everything so it will be so hard to tell.
Am I missing something or the unique proc of the Windforce solves the “problem” about the crowd control dmg implicit ? Doesn’t seem to me that the implicit is particularly out of place… I mean of course it’s different compared to a +130% dmg with no conditionals, but i wouldn’t say it’s bad
Also there is a new aspect that makes every basic attack have cold imbuement (Coldclip aspect) and invigorating strike have bonuses for crowd control. So Windforce is made to be used with invigorating strike + cqc + windforce barrage, there is a deffensive aspect that increases crowd control damage so if you stack aspects that give crowd control damage it would increase cqc damage bonus. Pretty cool
@@Paulo.Haller just build cold imbuement barrage with the dazed leggendary aspect and a few tempering with slow\freeze etc and u are good to go, and the damage to crowd controlled becomes way better than the "to distant enemies"
Skyhunter is still kinda sad.. I mean, the bow is AMAZING, but Precision builds..... let's just say contrary to common sense they don't work with Penetrating Shot. You need shadow imbuement or Victimize just to clear trash. If you use Victimize, Skyhunter is useless and you want at best Eaglehorn, and if you use shadow imbuement you can't scale your damage because you're lacking chills/freezes which do the heavy lifting in scaling a crit dmg build. Also, Blizzard, take that Stutter Step, put it where the sun doesn't shine and GIVE US HP! Using Skyhunter and Shround of Khanduras strips you of so much HP that you're already getting 1shot in lvl 100 content, let alone higher.. I really wish the Shroud was just an aspect..
I like the new unique changes but I still feel like my goal is to get a 3GA item and good tempers instead of chasing GA uniques. At least for rogue. I guess I'm sticking to my Andariel's build.
@sathdk79 I've played barrage since the game launched. It feels clunky since as barrage you literally want to be point blank. I basically shadowstep to an elite and blow it to smithereens. using caltrops puts you out of position. You would have to evade back in after using it.
Hmm well if we get the uber uniques easily in season 5 that means there are more uniques to be found in the expansion that will be hard to find 😅😊 lol all good happy to get the ogrinial ubr uniques to try all 9f the or if I am lucky some of them
Crown of Lucion + Skyhunter doesn't quite work. You won't get the full stacks from Lucion because you need to build up precision to trigger the resource return from Skyhunter. 4 seconds isn't enough time to do that for 5 stacks.
They need to make the unique power just better, the stats on it are crazy. Also skyhunter is just to OP, its to generic, to good with every ranged build, i would love that they make it more skill specific
If you want to see actual builds and crazy things you need to see what the Chinese players are using. I’m stayed away from Maxroll and use d4 builder instead and mobalytics. And switch my rupture bleed barb to robs from maxroll and cleared 151 pits just from the gear changes.
Games used to be player skill based and not based not thousands of hours to achieve a certain item to match your other items with the right math. You used to get an item and be excited. Now you need a masters in mathematics and follow people's builds who have 20 hours a day to build them. There must be a happy medium.
Ok ok... Had a decision between sorc and roque... You fixed it. Definitively a roque. Play Hardcore and roque is powerful AND hard to kill. See you in Town 😊
@@RafaelW8 best survivability after barb id say. Important to use dark shroud. And i like a high dodge chance with use of the aspect with 20% life on dodge. With that im almost unkillable (exept high pit or tormented) and its the best way to survive disconnects.
Does anyone of you think There will be a good build with word of hakan? Playing rain of arrows Would be realy nice, from the Optik side i found it to be my Favorit rogue skill
Honestly, this whole 'breaking everything down to pure maths and numbers' is what completely kills modern ARPGs. It just completely de-mystifies everything and makes people only care about numbers.
Yeah, I can see your point. It is handy for those that want to have an OP build without the mental gymnastics though. I personally just make my own build each season based on what I think is fun. I still aim for decent synergies but will sacrifice pathways I know are stronger to keep skills/aspects I enjoy using. Having said that my builds do generally start to struggle eventually. My minion/corpse explosion hybrid really started to have problems about mid 60's in the pit. Some of that was down to my terrible greater affix and masterworking luck though. Seriously, F off life per second greater affix!
Agreed. They're going the wrong way. A lot of adults are gamers with real world responsibilities. We're not all playing 10 hours a day to perfect out build. Even D&D was more user friendly. You didn't need a masters in some sort of math degree to be successful in a game.
BINGO! What these modern games fail to realize is there is a huge market of "dad gamers" that grew up gaming but now have 1/4 if that of time to put into building your character.. Still pay the same amount of money to get the game and expansions but stand no chance against Stan in his parents basement able to play 17 hours a day. Where's the algorithm for that?
these numbers are getting so big, people gonna be doing D3 damage this season... I have no doubt the number squish for the expansion HAS TO HAPPEN. If it doesn't I'm gonna be livid.
@@icebear3110bro just the gem skill with link make the game with infinite build etc etc u didint play poe it's impossible like for real d4 is for super casual player or more like kids you can lvl up to100 with any trash spell it wont matter and i dont event speak about end game dafuq ur a troll
@@nawakz2183”bro” you as you said plaid Poe for the first time just now (lol are living under a rock?) and you are talking like you are a enlighten god talking to scrubs. You have zero clue about the complexity of POE if you just started playing it, zero clue. D4 is not meant to compete with Poe. Such a clown 🤡
They should add some crossbow uniques
Yes please!
Crossbow gets no love 😭
I think a penshot unique should def be a crossbow, there's no reason for eaglehorn to be a bow
@darknoob89 Eaglehorn has always been a bow. It would be wrong for them to change it.
Buriza should not be legendary and should be a unique instead.
@@Touchin-Grass yes, buriza unique let's go!
I got the windforce at level 12 and still works really well. The knockdown is crazy
same, got another at lvl 30 and it lasted until WT4, still dont know if i should finally upgrade it lol
Windforce + bladeshift + cold imbuement gunna slap
There should be Skyhunter's crossbow version as this would work better with the Weapon Mastery passive.
The moment I laid eyes on it I knew it would be great for my combopoint pure crit RF rogue. It stops me from jumping back and forth with bow and crossbow. now I can finally fully go bow
Just got a skyhunter with greater crit damage, wasnt sure if it was better than my crossbow or not.... First season playing rogue, super helpful video! Thanks
Excited to try all of the best D4 Chef's builds
With Inner sight + CQC + physical barrage I got up to about 110 in S4. Excited to try the new Windforce with it.
It’s just a shame there making pits and eveything so easy. So we won’t actually be able to tell how much the item changes impacts the game. Like you said you made it to 110 if you were able to make it to 140 with new updates on weapons that would actually say the improved the game weapons. But they nerfed everything so it will be so hard to tell.
Am I missing something or the unique proc of the Windforce solves the “problem” about the crowd control dmg implicit ?
Doesn’t seem to me that the implicit is particularly out of place… I mean of course it’s different compared to a +130% dmg with no conditionals, but i wouldn’t say it’s bad
Also there is a new aspect that makes every basic attack have cold imbuement (Coldclip aspect) and invigorating strike have bonuses for crowd control. So Windforce is made to be used with invigorating strike + cqc + windforce barrage, there is a deffensive aspect that increases crowd control damage so if you stack aspects that give crowd control damage it would increase cqc damage bonus. Pretty cool
I'm determined to find a way to make a build with it regardless.
@@Paulo.Haller just build cold imbuement barrage with the dazed leggendary aspect and a few tempering with slow\freeze etc and u are good to go, and the damage to crowd controlled becomes way better than the "to distant enemies"
u can use shadow+poison for leveling and switch to cold to push endgame
@@johna4967 but does them contribute to CQC specific damage bonus “Damage Vs Crowd Controlled”?
Check world of Hakan Amulett, I think all imbue now is applied for arrow storm. Second Condemnation have 50% increase to generate 3 combo points
I think it says that rain of arrows receives arrow storms benefits. It's not the opposite
@wudijo, what build are you playing?
Skyhunter is still kinda sad.. I mean, the bow is AMAZING, but Precision builds..... let's just say contrary to common sense they don't work with Penetrating Shot. You need shadow imbuement or Victimize just to clear trash. If you use Victimize, Skyhunter is useless and you want at best Eaglehorn, and if you use shadow imbuement you can't scale your damage because you're lacking chills/freezes which do the heavy lifting in scaling a crit dmg build.
Also, Blizzard, take that Stutter Step, put it where the sun doesn't shine and GIVE US HP! Using Skyhunter and Shround of Khanduras strips you of so much HP that you're already getting 1shot in lvl 100 content, let alone higher.. I really wish the Shroud was just an aspect..
does sky hunter work with rain of arrows also? o:?
It doesn't say (non-ultimate marksman) so...
Yeah it works
Just got a 925 Skyhunter. Was Twisting Knives build. Which build should I switch to now to maximize my effectiveness?
Rapid Fire
I like the new unique changes but I still feel like my goal is to get a 3GA item and good tempers instead of chasing GA uniques. At least for rogue. I guess I'm sticking to my Andariel's build.
Just the info now that I have a skyhunter and an eagle horn
Rogue has talents to knock down which synergize with windforce. It was better than people think.
the "130% dmg to crowd controlled enemies" is there because the weapon knocks down enemies
Rogue talents also knock down more and there is the cold caltrop
Came to say this - its a slight change of wording but I think it makes all the difference
@@sathdk79 caltrops is so clunky.. i tried it season 1 a bunch of times.. i honestly hate it. if it didnt throw me back it would be better.
@@MorionAikanaro its good for archers. You want distance
@sathdk79 I've played barrage since the game launched. It feels clunky since as barrage you literally want to be point blank. I basically shadowstep to an elite and blow it to smithereens. using caltrops puts you out of position. You would have to evade back in after using it.
Hmm well if we get the uber uniques easily in season 5 that means there are more uniques to be found in the expansion that will be hard to find 😅😊 lol all good happy to get the ogrinial ubr uniques to try all 9f the or if I am lucky some of them
Crown of Lucion + Skyhunter doesn't quite work. You won't get the full stacks from Lucion because you need to build up precision to trigger the resource return from Skyhunter. 4 seconds isn't enough time to do that for 5 stacks.
Chance to cast twice seemed to be bugged for rapid fire, can anyone confirm the marksman % works for coreskills as well??
Correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't the poison imbuement damage based on how much damage the skill does?
Wait, so a barrage rogue is NOT going to use Windforce? That seems like Blizzard completely fumbled the update on the weapon...
They need to make the unique power just better, the stats on it are crazy. Also skyhunter is just to OP, its to generic, to good with every ranged build, i would love that they make it more skill specific
Let me guess, because the guy said so
It's good but the precision bow is better
If you want to see actual builds and crazy things you need to see what the Chinese players are using. I’m stayed away from Maxroll and use d4 builder instead and mobalytics. And switch my rupture bleed barb to robs from maxroll and cleared 151 pits just from the gear changes.
Why would not Barrage work with Victimize? ricochets don't count as direct dmg?
if I want to play to barrage what weapon should I get and what stats to look for
Long range rogue needs some help. It's of the most satisfying builds in the game but woefully underpowered.
Games used to be player skill based and not based not thousands of hours to achieve a certain item to match your other items with the right math.
You used to get an item and be excited. Now you need a masters in mathematics and follow people's builds who have 20 hours a day to build them.
There must be a happy medium.
I thought I saw in the patch notes that they fixed victimize? And adjusted the damage.. So is it not fixed yet?
That fix broke Victimize. Wudijo's reffering to the fix of the fix.
@@suzy_ueda I see. Damn
Buriza-Do Kyanon
So they all suck except skyhunter basically?
Ok ok... Had a decision between sorc and roque... You fixed it. Definitively a roque. Play Hardcore and roque is powerful AND hard to kill. See you in Town 😊
Is Rogue hard to kill? I was planning on playing Hardcore this season for the first time, but I thought rogue is squishy
@@RafaelW8 best survivability after barb id say. Important to use dark shroud. And i like a high dodge chance with use of the aspect with 20% life on dodge. With that im almost unkillable (exept high pit or tormented) and its the best way to survive disconnects.
I'm on a guest on my roque to have one simple guestion answered
Wudiju, du siehst krank aus, mach lieber mal ein wenig Pause, falls es dir nicht so gut geht
Sky Hunter was a unique? Never knew always trashed it lol
Does anyone of you think There will be a good build with word of hakan? Playing rain of arrows Would be realy nice, from the Optik side i found it to be my Favorit rogue skill
I hope it works but I don't think it will be very strong
Can anyone answer why they dont have a focus unique?
Do you think these are useable or?
Comparing a 12/12 masterwork with a base sky hunter ''compete'' Show me 12/12 sky hunter, It's not even close.
420% Crit damage. Nice.
That sucks. I wanted to play Barrage with Windforce
well time to farm 4ga Winforce lol !
Wtf why wouldn't they fix major bugs before starting the season?
hey, will hs rogue work in s5?
Yeah, but B or A tier
@@PkKakashi what would be the top build then?
@@madiyar8079 Barrage or Rapid Fire should be really good
It's OK blizzard u can have 15 plus tries to get one of the most iconic weapons in diablo right. Someday they will I have faith
They need to allow you to temper it at least once would help a lot
That will be too op with skill lv on passive and core, double cast on core
Wat else do u need? 1shot everything ?😂
Some uniques have built in tempered affixes.
Honestly, this whole 'breaking everything down to pure maths and numbers' is what completely kills modern ARPGs. It just completely de-mystifies everything and makes people only care about numbers.
Yeah, I can see your point. It is handy for those that want to have an OP build without the mental gymnastics though. I personally just make my own build each season based on what I think is fun. I still aim for decent synergies but will sacrifice pathways I know are stronger to keep skills/aspects I enjoy using. Having said that my builds do generally start to struggle eventually. My minion/corpse explosion hybrid really started to have problems about mid 60's in the pit.
Some of that was down to my terrible greater affix and masterworking luck though. Seriously, F off life per second greater affix!
Maybe I just like numbers
Agreed. They're going the wrong way. A lot of adults are gamers with real world responsibilities. We're not all playing 10 hours a day to perfect out build. Even D&D was more user friendly.
You didn't need a masters in some sort of math degree to be successful in a game.
BINGO!
What these modern games fail to realize is there is a huge market of "dad gamers" that grew up gaming but now have 1/4 if that of time to put into building your character..
Still pay the same amount of money to get the game and expansions but stand no chance against Stan in his parents basement able to play 17 hours a day.
Where's the algorithm for that?
these numbers are getting so big, people gonna be doing D3 damage this season... I have no doubt the number squish for the expansion HAS TO HAPPEN. If it doesn't I'm gonna be livid.
Still shit. Tempered legendaries destroy those bows
Clueless clown lol
Don't well rolled tempered legendaries destroy most uniques?
Kinda takes the thrill out of finding a unique.
First
2nd
Not very promising is it for Rogue Uniques....
3rd
4th
Played poe for the first time and yike wont back to d4 lol
And watching D4 video anyway 🤡
I played PoE for the first time and now I'm sure D4 is better, now I know why Poe fans try so hard to bash D4, it's the only thing they can do
@@icebear3110bro just the gem skill with link make the game with infinite build etc etc u didint play poe it's impossible like for real d4 is for super casual player or more like kids you can lvl up to100 with any trash spell it wont matter and i dont event speak about end game dafuq ur a troll
@@nawakz2183”bro” you as you said plaid Poe for the first time just now (lol are living under a rock?) and you are talking like you are a enlighten god talking to scrubs. You have zero clue about the complexity of POE if you just started playing it, zero clue. D4 is not meant to compete with Poe. Such a clown 🤡