Belt drive is Definately quieter for sure. And the set ups with no traditional derailer are so nice. I was sceptical but after riding all day with no loss of drive belt or bashing my derailer I was convinced this is for the good. Just the lack of chain slap was a nice feature. Plus the gear box puts the weight in the center lower portion of the bike. Better for balance.
As an exercise to generate PR points, which is what this of course is, props to Gates. As Henry says, it is disruptive and generates conversation. Enough to change the industry in the same way 29er DH frames did 10 years ago? We will have to wait and see. There are lots of reasons why that might not happen; human inertia, friction losses, relative efficiency under low loads (DH) compared to higher loads (XC) etc, and only one that I can see that will; drive belt bikes winning races. And TBH, I can't see Taylor Vernon or anyone else on a belt drive bike outside the top ten overhauling a Amaury, Loic, Finn, Ronan et al when they are in the zone just yet, even if you dangle a 100,000 Euro stick in front of their visor. Wouldn't it be great to be wrong! I hope I am.
@@harrie205 along with ebikes DH is the way to go for gearboxes it could dramatically fix reliability issues and also help lower the center of gravity while lightening the rear wheel. Mostly pros for DH...
The fundamental problem is the lack of a consistent gearbox mounting standard to frames and the lack of frame manufacturers making affordable gearbox compatible frames in the first place (Affordable for those who realize $3k will buy all the bike a competent rider will ever need anyway). Ebike motor mounts might accidentally save the day on this, but I doubt it since ebike frames built heavy to begin with. Either way the belt drive is the least of the problems in getting people to move to these drivetrains. If Pinion fixed their heavy shifting (By making the shift force lower - not by adding electric shifting like they're doing) and the high backlash in the gearbox, I would be having a serious look at something with their 12 speed 600+% gearbox and a belt. I like the idea of a bike where the service interval is the life of the brake pads rather than chain maintenance after every spin, but I'm not convinced Pinion's offering, though it is the best gearbox option, is good enough to sink $3k into just the gearbox when I can get over 10 drivetrains for the same money. If the Pinion gearbox shifted as lightly at the shifter as an Alfine (I love my Alfine 11 speed - for commuting and city use - it's a dog off road because it adds the guts of 2 kg to the rear axle and the sponginess of the take-up on the roller clutches makes 2nd gear particularly almost unusable) I'd probably learn to live with the high backlash. People who have only ridden derailleurs don't even understand what fast gear shifting actually feels like. Being in the gear selected and already putting power down before my finger is even off the shift lever rather than waiting a pedal stroke for the chain to get around the cassette and complete the shift is a huge improvement.
There is a ”standard”. Only two box manufacturers exist, Pinion and Effigear. Pinion was first. Effigear offers a box with same mounting. Pinion electronic shifting is there for you. Effigear uses normal sram shifter.
@@mikkop9238 Can frame manufacturers use the Pinion mount without paying royalties? Are fully defined toleranced drawings available? Has any international standards organisation taken it on? Does anything stop Pinion or Effigear making ransom changes to the 'standard' that mean old gearboxes won't fit new frames anymore? I specifically don't want electric shifting because it's adding the potential of entirely new and unnecessary electrical reliability issues to solve what should be a mechanical design problem. I've heard nothing at all about Effigear before. Using a SRAM shifter is at least an big improvement over grip shift, if it works with Shimano shifters with instant double upshifts and shift levers that both move in the natural direction my fingers do, that would be better again. One of the huge benefits of a gearbox should be that it should never be able to lose gear indexing thanks to a shifter or cable problem, by having the gearbox index itself internally. Controlling indexing at the shifter rather than within the gearbox itself makes the system less reliable. Shimano have shown this can be done quite reliably with their Alfine 8 and 11 speed hubs for city/road use, but they've been making very reliable bike parts for around a century, so plenty of practice and massive mass production discounts, so the manufacturing tolerances you get for the money are exceptional. That can't be said for the newer gearbox companies. Even at that, a small amount of mud in the cable channel at the Alfine hub can put the indexing off and then you're looking at either no drive or worse again, 2 gears selected at the same time or the hub skipping out of gear under load, and the hub getting damaged or causing a crash. Pinion have the right idea on their pull-pull double cable setup (Though with the correct housing and cable, there's no reason a cable can't be set up to push and pull - the throttle control of every lawnmower is already doing this to pick a very ubiquitous example). This certainly wouldn't be a problem if the shifting force was reasonably low, and the shifter could be massively simpler without the need to hold the cable in each gear. In fact the same open system hydraulic setup used for brakes would be very easily implemented to shift gears when they're indexed at the gearbox, which would give smoother, more reliable shifting again. A push-pull system may well be easier to set up hydraulically too, but a push-push would be more reliable against outgassing in the fluid.
Haha! Clever 🎉 I think this is a genius idea. For all of the reasons. Definitely going to do three things. A) We’ll see a top ten rider on one next year (they can pay a salary to the rider and give factory support as well as let them win the 100k). B) We’ll see sales of Pinion based bikes increase, especially those with the motor (enough to easily cover the likely costs of this endeavour over 5 years C) Honda and others will enter the fray and note that SRAM has already started working with Brose to make the dereillure work with an eeb motor: why wouldn’t they R&D a Pinion competitor, seriously, why? The key to all this is that Shimano and SRAM are Brands, not manufacturers of dereillures, chainrings and chains.
I have complete faith in Gates and their ability to make a belt. However, I question why they choose DH for this challenge. Are they doing it in Enduro, XC or the Moto world. That would be the real challenge. Heck all motos are already using gear boxes. Belts have pro's but efficiency is not one of them compared to a roller chain. At least that has been the consensus.
Because efficiency losses, Enduro maybe but XC it's a definite no. DH and ebikes are ideal for belts and gearboxes, anything where every watt counts? Absolutely not.
Simple answer. They're not targeting those sectors. They're aiming at the e-bike crowd in the long run. Motorized gearboxes are definitely the future and that's where belts have all the advantages. The reason they're doing it in downhill is because it lends itself nicely to push an image. Everyone on two wheels wants to ride like those guys, and every ebiker thinks they're super gnarly on gear, or at least that's the idea the industry is pushing. So a system being proven on the dh wc circuit will enhance the legitimacy of their product immensely.
Look into the studies done comparing belt and chain on bicycles, and there is no sweeping obvious conclusions on efficiency. Chains are going to swing more wildly on efficiency due to quickly collecting grit and abrasives and drying out of lubrication, also high misalignment in certain gears. The result is it's sort of all over the map.
Gearbox/belt puts up any bike by at least 1500€ compared to deraileur. I can get a lot of chains for 1500€. Also in downhill the longevity of a belt drive is not really required as in bikepacking for example (where belt is the best). Besides that there arent many manufactures, two to be precise that i know of Gamux and Zerode. Both bikes beeing brand new in 2023. Also in the gearbox market its actually a brand new feature that you can use trigger shifter instead of gripshifter which was so dumb. Who would want to use gripshifter in mtb, especially downhill? Even in trekking belt drive isnt standard and is just establishing itself.
It would be so awesome if Neko and Frameworks got behind the gearbox + belt trend for their next bike. 100K for grabs will still be there next year IMO!
I personally think belt drives are really cool and interesting to me however the downside is you will have to use a gearbox if you want to be able to shift (or you go singlespeed!) and i think this would be quiet expensive for a normal guy like me. On the other side cassettes and chains need more service and maintenance and definetly dont sound as cool when youre going quick and bumpy :D its just so cool how quiet and clean the drive belts are
I get the PR reasons to choose DH but we all know that DH races have been won even without a chain. Might not be fair (yet) to compete with belt/gearbox in XC/XCO but Enduro makes sense to me. Still a lot of descending, lots off mud that could mess with traditional gear systems and as secondary positives the lack of derailleur sticking out waiting to break and plenty of quick gear changes needed!
Its all about getting a set standard established. As long as a millions ways to do it are still in competition it will never take off. I dont want to be stuck with a frame that uses a unique drivetrain that only that frame can use.
100% convinced by the tech but why choose DH to advertise it ? It takes way too much others parameters to build a winning bike today and then there is the 10 or 15 BIG names to beat in the riders list…
Better media coverage, less concern with pedaling efficiency, lots more money from the manufacturers and the teams to prototype and innovate. And pinkbike who they paid to make this video covers downhill already extensively
This is awesome, they are fighting against the shitty marketing within the mtb community with the gearbox + belt setup against the big market players that don't want to adapt to this (Shimano, SRAM). Hopefully this will have a good impact in our community. Shimano / SRAM keeps having derailleurs because of the money flow coming in from it. They don't want gearboxes as they are so reliable they see it as a loss of money income.
Yeah, from years back always wanted the belt drive and gearbox set up to take over the outdated derailleur set up... should already be on all higher end bikes, thanks Shimano and Sram.
Both gearboxes and belts are less efficient than chains and derailleurs until conditions get very dirty. Gearboxes are also significantly heavier. As more and more people only ride purpose built bike trails, the benefits of mud resistance, having no derailleur to snag and higher mileage durability are all less important. If this came out 40 years ago the pros, and everyone else would have been all over it. XC races literally crossed country - including on occasion fording rivers - back in that era and mud and debris jamming in derailleurs was very common because trails were whatever you could find and dig yourself. At this point cyclocross might well be the sport where bikes get most consistently covered in mud.
@@BGraves I like the idea of the post ride maintenance being done as soon as I'm finished spraying the mud off the bike. The chain eats up more maintenance time, even when there's nothing wrong with it, than any other item on a bike. Belts are less efficient, but not enough that I'm likely to notice unless the pedal feel is noticeably spongier.
Either Gates has $100K waiting to be awarded or they have an insurance policy per race. I think it would get too expensive to insure this money for a win or they negotiated an entire season with the underwriters.
Oh c”mon. There’s little to no pedaling in DH. How quickly we forget Gwin won without a chain off the start. Enduro and especially XC would be a better test ground.
not racing? 💯 the best drivetrain for casual riding is belt drive and gearbox. little to no maintenance, efficient enough for long rides be it dh, enduro or xc.
Can you snap a belt? If not... Someone show this to Tomas Slavik if urban DH counts aswell. He could use an ''unsnapable chain'' and as a bonus, get free money :D
Didn't Gwin win a race in Leogang without a chain? What does that say about the role of the chain or belt? On some tracks it's inconsequential, that's what.
Then dak rockin the high stack. His riding position is almost exact to a moto cross bike which he is more comfortable on. I’m tall so the high stack feels more normal. And I can manual way better. After years of practicing with low stack machines I went high stack, not as high as dak. But the typical 40mil riser bars. First ride felt like a manual god lol.
No slight towards the riders they currently have but if they really want to win they need to hire someone who in current times is a top 15-20 regular in finals.
it's only a purse of 10x top of the line bikes ... We realy need the thieves to return stolen bikes and put them in jail. wish they would make tech that would prevent theft. everyone needs this. advertising costs and marketing to get a new gearbox going? people would ride more with a bike that won't ever get stolen. now if they made it so the gearbox would self destruct when a bike owner has their bike stolen....
IF the bike was no factor bruni would ride a tested demo of the shelf and not hid prototype monster. You need all A good bike a good rider, luck and a good team
@@harrie205 sure the bike matters, but when DH is marginal gains of fractions of a second. but put the average joe dh rider on bruni's bike and he or she will be eons behind. if the bike is part of the equation its only 5% and 95% is rider skill.
@@ebifurai415 lets say youre right and the bike is 5% then its still importend because chnages on bikes can be done way faster and more radical then on riders (a rider cant switch his style or grow/shrink get stronger or lighter fast) but a bike can be adapeted to make a rider fast on certain race courses. Also i think its quite obvious that all winning bikes last year where good bikes(and also good teams) and good riders like gwin will not win anything with a sub par bike/team also consider that bike tech is more even throughout the teams as most parts can be bought but nobody would start with a 2 year old bike(because he would not have a chance)
Everything is cool except that music ov sh*t so annoying, y the hell don't yall 😤 put some rock sound more motivation instead ov ugly mix stuff, I mean look downhill is more vibrant & extreme but u put annoying music 2 make it sleepy & boring
* instead of GM/guy of the belt drive prize, UCI should pay properly to the athletes. Don't get confused, don't let woke pinkbike confuse you with AI generated people in their posts and now this.
Belt drive is Definately quieter for sure. And the set ups with no traditional derailer are so nice. I was sceptical but after riding all day with no loss of drive belt or bashing my derailer I was convinced this is for the good. Just the lack of chain slap was a nice feature. Plus the gear box puts the weight in the center lower portion of the bike. Better for balance.
unsprung mass on the real wheel is reduced too probably, that would help the suspension...
100k prize is safe, cheap bit of free advertising for the brand though
Lol, that money ain't going anywhere.
Not free if someone wins it.
Exactly what Dak said
Not counting how much they paid pinkbike
If the riders didn't have a chance to win this prize, would they still bother to run belts? hmm.
Been seeing a few more Zerode bikes at whistler lately. Nice to see companies pushing hard to challenge the status quo
As an exercise to generate PR points, which is what this of course is, props to Gates. As Henry says, it is disruptive and generates conversation. Enough to change the industry in the same way 29er DH frames did 10 years ago? We will have to wait and see.
There are lots of reasons why that might not happen; human inertia, friction losses, relative efficiency under low loads (DH) compared to higher loads (XC) etc, and only one that I can see that will; drive belt bikes winning races.
And TBH, I can't see Taylor Vernon or anyone else on a belt drive bike outside the top ten overhauling a Amaury, Loic, Finn, Ronan et al when they are in the zone just yet, even if you dangle a 100,000 Euro stick in front of their visor. Wouldn't it be great to be wrong! I hope I am.
And a PR stunt that benefits the riders. Love it!
it should be in Enduro too
Agreed, especially since they’re actually utilizing the drivetrain more…
but DH would be easier so they start there
@@158158cowno, because efficiency losses.
@@harrie205 along with ebikes DH is the way to go for gearboxes it could dramatically fix reliability issues and also help lower the center of gravity while lightening the rear wheel. Mostly pros for DH...
Enduro gets no coverage, no real marketing value there
The fundamental problem is the lack of a consistent gearbox mounting standard to frames and the lack of frame manufacturers making affordable gearbox compatible frames in the first place (Affordable for those who realize $3k will buy all the bike a competent rider will ever need anyway). Ebike motor mounts might accidentally save the day on this, but I doubt it since ebike frames built heavy to begin with.
Either way the belt drive is the least of the problems in getting people to move to these drivetrains. If Pinion fixed their heavy shifting (By making the shift force lower - not by adding electric shifting like they're doing) and the high backlash in the gearbox, I would be having a serious look at something with their 12 speed 600+% gearbox and a belt. I like the idea of a bike where the service interval is the life of the brake pads rather than chain maintenance after every spin, but I'm not convinced Pinion's offering, though it is the best gearbox option, is good enough to sink $3k into just the gearbox when I can get over 10 drivetrains for the same money.
If the Pinion gearbox shifted as lightly at the shifter as an Alfine (I love my Alfine 11 speed - for commuting and city use - it's a dog off road because it adds the guts of 2 kg to the rear axle and the sponginess of the take-up on the roller clutches makes 2nd gear particularly almost unusable) I'd probably learn to live with the high backlash. People who have only ridden derailleurs don't even understand what fast gear shifting actually feels like. Being in the gear selected and already putting power down before my finger is even off the shift lever rather than waiting a pedal stroke for the chain to get around the cassette and complete the shift is a huge improvement.
There is a ”standard”. Only two box manufacturers exist, Pinion and Effigear. Pinion was first. Effigear offers a box with same mounting.
Pinion electronic shifting is there for you. Effigear uses normal sram shifter.
@@mikkop9238 Can frame manufacturers use the Pinion mount without paying royalties? Are fully defined toleranced drawings available? Has any international standards organisation taken it on? Does anything stop Pinion or Effigear making ransom changes to the 'standard' that mean old gearboxes won't fit new frames anymore?
I specifically don't want electric shifting because it's adding the potential of entirely new and unnecessary electrical reliability issues to solve what should be a mechanical design problem.
I've heard nothing at all about Effigear before. Using a SRAM shifter is at least an big improvement over grip shift, if it works with Shimano shifters with instant double upshifts and shift levers that both move in the natural direction my fingers do, that would be better again.
One of the huge benefits of a gearbox should be that it should never be able to lose gear indexing thanks to a shifter or cable problem, by having the gearbox index itself internally. Controlling indexing at the shifter rather than within the gearbox itself makes the system less reliable.
Shimano have shown this can be done quite reliably with their Alfine 8 and 11 speed hubs for city/road use, but they've been making very reliable bike parts for around a century, so plenty of practice and massive mass production discounts, so the manufacturing tolerances you get for the money are exceptional. That can't be said for the newer gearbox companies.
Even at that, a small amount of mud in the cable channel at the Alfine hub can put the indexing off and then you're looking at either no drive or worse again, 2 gears selected at the same time or the hub skipping out of gear under load, and the hub getting damaged or causing a crash.
Pinion have the right idea on their pull-pull double cable setup (Though with the correct housing and cable, there's no reason a cable can't be set up to push and pull - the throttle control of every lawnmower is already doing this to pick a very ubiquitous example).
This certainly wouldn't be a problem if the shifting force was reasonably low, and the shifter could be massively simpler without the need to hold the cable in each gear. In fact the same open system hydraulic setup used for brakes would be very easily implemented to shift gears when they're indexed at the gearbox, which would give smoother, more reliable shifting again. A push-pull system may well be easier to set up hydraulically too, but a push-push would be more reliable against outgassing in the fluid.
Haha! Clever 🎉 I think this is a genius idea. For all of the reasons. Definitely going to do three things. A) We’ll see a top ten rider on one next year (they can pay a salary to the rider and give factory support as well as let them win the 100k). B) We’ll see sales of Pinion based bikes increase, especially those with the motor (enough to easily cover the likely costs of this endeavour over 5 years C) Honda and others will enter the fray and note that SRAM has already started working with Brose to make the dereillure work with an eeb motor: why wouldn’t they R&D a Pinion competitor, seriously, why? The key to all this is that Shimano and SRAM are Brands, not manufacturers of dereillures, chainrings and chains.
I have complete faith in Gates and their ability to make a belt. However, I question why they choose DH for this challenge. Are they doing it in Enduro, XC or the Moto world. That would be the real challenge. Heck all motos are already using gear boxes. Belts have pro's but efficiency is not one of them compared to a roller chain. At least that has been the consensus.
Because efficiency losses, Enduro maybe but XC it's a definite no.
DH and ebikes are ideal for belts and gearboxes, anything where every watt counts? Absolutely not.
Simple answer. They're not targeting those sectors. They're aiming at the e-bike crowd in the long run. Motorized gearboxes are definitely the future and that's where belts have all the advantages.
The reason they're doing it in downhill is because it lends itself nicely to push an image. Everyone on two wheels wants to ride like those guys, and every ebiker thinks they're super gnarly on gear, or at least that's the idea the industry is pushing. So a system being proven on the dh wc circuit will enhance the legitimacy of their product immensely.
Look into the studies done comparing belt and chain on bicycles, and there is no sweeping obvious conclusions on efficiency. Chains are going to swing more wildly on efficiency due to quickly collecting grit and abrasives and drying out of lubrication, also high misalignment in certain gears. The result is it's sort of all over the map.
this is one very, very good idea!
Gearbox/belt puts up any bike by at least 1500€ compared to deraileur. I can get a lot of chains for 1500€. Also in downhill the longevity of a belt drive is not really required as in bikepacking for example (where belt is the best). Besides that there arent many manufactures, two to be precise that i know of Gamux and Zerode. Both bikes beeing brand new in 2023. Also in the gearbox market its actually a brand new feature that you can use trigger shifter instead of gripshifter which was so dumb. Who would want to use gripshifter in mtb, especially downhill? Even in trekking belt drive isnt standard and is just establishing itself.
Such a well produced video! I liked everything about it. Sound quality, B-Roll material, music choice. Well done!
Well, they got paid a lot to do it
@@BGraves I don’t know about the „a lot“ part.
Bottom right of the screen has 2 logos. I'd bet they have at least 10K$ in this video @@harzenduro
It would be so awesome if Neko and Frameworks got behind the gearbox + belt trend for their next bike. 100K for grabs will still be there next year IMO!
I personally think belt drives are really cool and interesting to me however the downside is you will have to use a gearbox if you want to be able to shift (or you go singlespeed!) and i think this would be quiet expensive for a normal guy like me. On the other side cassettes and chains need more service and maintenance and definetly dont sound as cool when youre going quick and bumpy :D its just so cool how quiet and clean the drive belts are
I get the PR reasons to choose DH but we all know that DH races have been won even without a chain.
Might not be fair (yet) to compete with belt/gearbox in XC/XCO but Enduro makes sense to me. Still a lot of descending, lots off mud that could mess with traditional gear systems and as secondary positives the lack of derailleur sticking out waiting to break and plenty of quick gear changes needed!
What an excellent piece of video storytelling, I’m excited for the next instalment.
I would love to have a gearbox belted DH rig. It's about time that the big companies start putting some thought into this.
Its all about getting a set standard established. As long as a millions ways to do it are still in competition it will never take off. I dont want to be stuck with a frame that uses a unique drivetrain that only that frame can use.
100% convinced by the tech but why choose DH to advertise it ? It takes way too much others parameters to build a winning bike today and then there is the 10 or 15 BIG names to beat in the riders list…
Better media coverage, less concern with pedaling efficiency, lots more money from the manufacturers and the teams to prototype and innovate. And pinkbike who they paid to make this video covers downhill already extensively
This is awesome, they are fighting against the shitty marketing within the mtb community with the gearbox + belt setup against the big market players that don't want to adapt to this (Shimano, SRAM).
Hopefully this will have a good impact in our community. Shimano / SRAM keeps having derailleurs because of the money flow coming in from it.
They don't want gearboxes as they are so reliable they see it as a loss of money income.
It would be interesting to compare it to other bonus schemes. Gates is the only one to announce in public.
Blenki for the hundy k chur ⛳
I believe it is objectively better. They just need to keep innovating to bring the price and maintenance into the realm of your average hobbyist.
I personally cannot wait to bin my eternally bent mech. Seems like a huge quality of life upgrade having a belt
Love that series
DN hitting that nail square on. It'll never catch on in DH, not possible to rig a snap on the steep tracks 😉
Yeah, from years back always wanted the belt drive and gearbox set up to take over the outdated derailleur set up... should already be on all higher end bikes, thanks Shimano and Sram.
Both gearboxes and belts are less efficient than chains and derailleurs until conditions get very dirty. Gearboxes are also significantly heavier. As more and more people only ride purpose built bike trails, the benefits of mud resistance, having no derailleur to snag and higher mileage durability are all less important.
If this came out 40 years ago the pros, and everyone else would have been all over it. XC races literally crossed country - including on occasion fording rivers - back in that era and mud and debris jamming in derailleurs was very common because trails were whatever you could find and dig yourself. At this point cyclocross might well be the sport where bikes get most consistently covered in mud.
@@peglorgearbox + chain is most ideal
@@BGraves I like the idea of the post ride maintenance being done as soon as I'm finished spraying the mud off the bike. The chain eats up more maintenance time, even when there's nothing wrong with it, than any other item on a bike. Belts are less efficient, but not enough that I'm likely to notice unless the pedal feel is noticeably spongier.
@@peglor have a second chain you can quickly swap in and clean it elsewhere
Either Gates has $100K waiting to be awarded or they have an insurance policy per race. I think it would get too expensive to insure this money for a win or they negotiated an entire season with the underwriters.
will they stop producing wheels that shatter at the first corner?
Wolfpack Adventures rides Zerode bike during Trans Madeira 2024 and has a pretty decent result
Oh c”mon. There’s little to no pedaling in DH. How quickly we forget Gwin won without a chain off the start. Enduro and especially XC would be a better test ground.
I hope Taylor Vernon wins it!
not racing? 💯 the best drivetrain for casual riding is belt drive and gearbox. little to no maintenance, efficient enough for long rides be it dh, enduro or xc.
super interesting
Edbull media cameo ;)
Nek minute..... blenki is rich as bro!
Can you snap a belt? If not... Someone show this to Tomas Slavik if urban DH counts aswell. He could use an ''unsnapable chain'' and as a bonus, get free money :D
Didn't Gwin win a race in Leogang without a chain? What does that say about the role of the chain or belt? On some tracks it's inconsequential, that's what.
Then dak rockin the high stack. His riding position is almost exact to a moto cross bike which he is more comfortable on. I’m tall so the high stack feels more normal. And I can manual way better. After years of practicing with low stack machines I went high stack, not as high as dak. But the typical 40mil riser bars. First ride felt like a manual god lol.
Vernon ain’t even in the top 15 of DH racers, more chance of winning 100k with a scratch card 😂
The belt is not really under stress in dh as compared to World Cup xc!
My money is on Blinki
what if they rip the belt and then win?
This series sponsored by. Belted bikes.
No slight towards the riders they currently have but if they really want to win they need to hire someone who in current times is a top 15-20 regular in finals.
Hmm, races have been lost due to slipped chains.
it's only a purse of 10x top of the line bikes ... We realy need the thieves to return stolen bikes and put them in jail. wish they would make tech that would prevent theft. everyone needs this. advertising costs and marketing to get a new gearbox going? people would ride more with a bike that won't ever get stolen. now if they made it so the gearbox would self destruct when a bike owner has their bike stolen....
I add 10$ to the pot if it happens before 22. July because after Eurosport is canned i won't be able to see it.
but 100k will not lift Gamux or Zerode to the Level of a top team
silly marketing move and waste of money imo. it's the rider, not the bike that wins the race. aaron gwin won with no chain at all.
IF the bike was no factor bruni would ride a tested demo of the shelf and not hid prototype monster. You need all A good bike a good rider, luck and a good team
@@harrie205 sure the bike matters, but when DH is marginal gains of fractions of a second. but put the average joe dh rider on bruni's bike and he or she will be eons behind. if the bike is part of the equation its only 5% and 95% is rider skill.
@@ebifurai415 lets say youre right and the bike is 5% then its still importend because chnages on bikes can be done way faster and more radical then on riders (a rider cant switch his style or grow/shrink get stronger or lighter fast) but a bike can be adapeted to make a rider fast on certain race courses.
Also i think its quite obvious that all winning bikes last year where good bikes(and also good teams) and good riders like gwin will not win anything with a sub par bike/team
also consider that bike tech is more even throughout the teams as most parts can be bought but nobody would start with a 2 year old bike(because he would not have a chance)
Narrow-minded outlook...the fact that's it's already getting media attention means it's already worth it
@@martincantwell2557 how does that follow? it's getting media attention because a company put a ton of marketing dollars behind it lol
Moto would have done it years ago if it was better. It’s not.
Ignoring the rider, if a belt drive wins a world cup, it'll be down to the gearbox, not the belt drive.
Zerode change belts at least 3 times over a race weekend so they have to try hard to sell this stuff to the masses 😂
Isn't this complete bullshit? DH, a sport where you can WIN a race WITHOUT a chain??? O_o
Everything is cool except that music ov sh*t so annoying, y the hell don't yall 😤 put some rock sound more motivation instead ov ugly mix stuff, I mean look downhill is more vibrant & extreme but u put annoying music 2 make it sleepy & boring
Good task for @asa_vermette and Framework!!
* instead of GM/guy of the belt drive prize, UCI should pay properly to the athletes. Don't get confused, don't let woke pinkbike confuse you with AI generated people in their posts and now this.
GM? Automotive industry trying to get a piece of bike industry? This seems worst than the convertion of woke pinkbike.